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This question I put to everyone: Who are the veterans of EoC Online? What does it take to qualify to be a vet? Am I a vet? :D
These questions were flashing through my mind whilst I was very bored, and tired.
And so the question goes forth, and I hope to have some answers.
Oh, by-the-way. I'm orange now. :D
And another thing: Alex, you move this 'Off-Topic' and I'll send a stampeding thunderous hoarde of rabbits and turtles after you. :D
people who have played for ages id guess, but ive played all 3 rounds & dont think im a veteran, though ive seen people play less than me & i wud consider them 1. maybe its people who have made a considerable contribution to other pilots & their factions. i would off the top of my head say boris, scalpel, oli7710, kristof, kudos, shed7, lemming, & quite a few others, people who make a difference. thats my opinion anyway
boris, scalpel, oli7710, kristof, kudos, shed7, lemming,
boris: ok, but does he still play?
scalpel more the less yeah, but same as above
oli7110: i have such a nokia too, so he is very sympathic, but vet...no i would say
kristof: yeah, definitely
kudos: quite a lot of vet
shed7: he played first round. 2nd and 3rd? and if he is one, not that honourable
lemming: def. is
me myself is a "vet"
also i would say ppl from ba, wod and ds are/have been 90%+ out of vets, see navy last round.
vets are well knowen ppl, ppl you know from the enemy as a hard good pilot, or quite a lot "vets" are fc´s in this rounds.
some other suggestions of vets:
zarrock, mr_smith, warden_dios, krycek, ruslab, radiator, octobriana and a lot of other ppl
i would say:
vet = well knowen player with high skills in piloting his ship (not dieeing, much shooting, good skilling) vets have a great ability as FC due to their experience in eoc battles.
first : you don't have to play since beginning of EoCO-I to be a vet. Some of us have more time and spend more energy into this little game as others do and therefore ( besides other reasons ) they could gain their experiences faster.......
second : I miss quite a few names of pilots which are definatly vets. Like Britnoth, BFalcon, Darius and so on
third : nice one 1337 :grntngue: noone called me sympathic before and I love to be not overrated
last : just to spam a lot doesn't qualify you as a vet
daMN I MUST BE DUMB, COS I BaRELY HaVE HEaRD OF U 1337, & URE aNYTHING BUT ELITE. U DONT EVEN KNOW BORIS IS IN mca & SCaLPEL IS oMaN. WaRDEN DIOS, HMM ID SaY EXCEPTIONaLLY DISHONOURaBLE, SCUM, OH WELL 1337, PERHaPS U SHUD CHaNGE URE NaME TO 1aM3R COS THaTS WaT U IS :) (Lamer)
suicidesquad
19-01-2002, 19:03
Samurai, that really wasn't very nice or called for. I just hope you're joking!
i always joke mate, but if he insults my friends ill do it back :)
i dont mean wat i say, but he should learn to be nice bout his superiors ;)
Originally posted by oli7110
first : you don't have to play since beginning of EoCO-I to be a vet. Some of us have more time and spend more energy into this little game as others do and therefore ( besides other reasons ) they could gain their experiences faster.......
second : I miss quite a few names of pilots which are definatly vets. Like Britnoth, BFalcon, Darius and so on
third : nice one 1337 :grntngue: noone called me sympathic before and I love to be not overrated
last : just to spam a lot doesn't qualify you as a vet
1st: Being a vet is more about knowing the game and having a good game head... not about how long you have played...
2nd: Thanks, I was hoping that someone would remember me... I would also add inVurt and Lovemoose to that list... repair pilots tend to get pushed to the background...
3rd: I would ask why, if the DS, BA's and WoD are 90% of the veterans, the MCA stood up to the 3rd Way for so long and when the Oman joined the assault on the MCA, why they failed to join in either of the assaults with any strength?
Personally, I think that the so-called elite units are usually too full of themselves and some are too unable to join anyone else to actually play the game outside of their closed circle. I know the BA's aren't one of those under this category, since they're willing to work with me and other non-BA pilots with professional efficiency worthy of their status.
I don't consider myself an elite-squad pilot... I consider myself a veteran team player, namely someone willing to do the dirty work that a faction needs done to win: Repairing fighters so that they can continue gathering glory; scouting sectors, staying cloaked while a bunch of fighters try to blow you away; standing guard in quiet sectors, never really knowing if your ship will still be there when you wake up the next morning...
THOSE are the true elite players... not necessarily the ones with support at their backs all the time... those willing to put the faction above their own needs.
Oli7110 and a lot of others are such pilots, as is Lovemoose: He repaired more ships than I can remember, often to the loss of his own ship.
As for Scalpel not being honourable? He did what needed to be done... and in round 1, I found him extremely honourable, as with Shed7. Calling them dishonourable is an insult to my friends, so I would suggest caution... especially when I found them far more honourable than the Oman in round 1...
I can't quit this game. I mean it. A little wasp fighter came buzzing around my head at night, saying it would gatling me in my sleep if I'd quit. I'm afraid. :confblue:
Kristof: Lol... you know it's time to take a break from EoCO when... ;)
Whitewolf
19-01-2002, 22:04
I'd like to add to that vet list.Well,they weren't exactly vets,but they were really good players.Isle* for example.Anyone remember the MCA's first FC in Game 1?Perhaps Tagert as well,because I seem to remember him contributing strategies and whatnot back in his MCA days in game 1.And there were a few others who never returned to the game-Shiekyrbouti,shalam(is he still around?),HarryWhoIse,Mr Bombastic and so on.Experience wise,there's Silent Frog,Tungstene,Krycek,G.S.K.Lee and people who have been around since game 1.My opinion of 'vet' is not how long you've played,but how good you play.
Gandalf_uk
19-01-2002, 22:23
Vets don't always help a faction Infinite for one. Vets to me are just ppl who i reconise from previous rounds, and ppl that stick in your head like Mr.smith, ppl who make the game fun.
ThePlayer
19-01-2002, 23:18
All those are definitely vets.
I wouldn't say it's how you play so much as how you win that defines how wise you are to the game and therefore whether you're a vet or not. After last game, I'd consider myself a vet, and I have to say that the following people, in my eyes, have gained respect enough to be a vet:
1337
Warden-Dios
Warmaker
WildBill (Did nobody mention you yet??!!)
Zarrock
Britnoth
Tungstene
Locutus
Hoa11
Howeeyd
Assassin
Asassin (?)
Whitewolf
Darkening (!)
Epsilon
Krycek
Kudok
Lemming
And others. People who are considered vets by some of you I refuse to consider, besically because they always lose, and can't devise good tactics from their experiences. I won't mention these people.
Aboe all, vets are the people who HAVE and DO learn from their mistakes!
TumNarDok
19-01-2002, 23:25
/me applauds to BFalcon's speech.
Hmm... there are a lot of people that by your own definition should be there, but are absent (I notice that I wasn't on the list either...).
Don't forget to include opponents that have also proven themselves... respect for enemies is not a failing. :)
(Thanks TumNarDok...) :)
ThePlayer, the only ones you can judge about is the Navy from last game, part of maas at the end (maybe between all the name-calling you also read some posts) and those who you are with now.
There are people on the list who I wouldn't ever consider as veterans and there are lots of people who you left out.
how wise you are to the game
they always lose
can't devise good tactics from their experiences
vets are the people who HAVE and DO learn from their mistakes!
You don't know anything about this from the others.
Gandalf_uk
20-01-2002, 00:56
Theplayer u have mised alot of ppl off that list ppl like ISLE*, Blackadder, Zrbyte, Bfalcon, Octobreana, mrbombastic, Kristof, wingee plus a load more i can not think of right now
the donz
20-01-2002, 02:25
ah i though id add that orge boris,
(who i will kill he he)
Hehe... which faction is he hiding in anyhow? I have yet to find him...
the donz
20-01-2002, 03:34
hes mca scum he he
(sorry b )
by samurai:
daMN I MUST BE DUMB, COS I BaRELY HaVE HEaRD OF U 1337, & URE aNYTHING BUT ELITE. U DONT EVEN KNOW BORIS IS IN mca & SCaLPEL IS oMaN. WaRDEN DIOS, HMM ID SaY EXCEPTIONaLLY DISHONOURaBLE, SCUM, OH WELL 1337, PERHaPS U SHUD CHaNGE URE NaME TO 1aM3R COS THaTS WaT U IS (Lamer)
samurai, everyone knows me
like i said somewhere before: i am more in the forums than in the game
warden: one of the honourablest players.
best example:
eoco-round1
i as fc from league, wrote a comm to oman fc, wich made ME famous and hnourable, at the omans, and at the forum, and that was just this single comm (ok, my actions lately have just made this growing)
but THIS, from all omans, and all ppl in the forum, HONOURABLE comm, wasn´t writen by me ONLY, warden wrote it with me together. furthermore he build up one of the 3 "best" squads !?!
not to mention the work he has done for the league (round-1)
and samurai (wether you joke or not) you yourself should call like writen above by urself ;)
by bfalcon:
3rd: I would ask why, if the DS, BA's and WoD are 90% of the veterans, the MCA stood up to the 3rd Way for so long and when the Oman joined the assault on the MCA, why they failed to join in either of the assaults with any strength?
u have been mca FC at this time, you should know it quite well, but if not, and for the other ppl:
ttw betrayed omans, like they did on the league, taht´s why they didn´t fight with full strength..or why should ttw make nap with mca, after such a long period of time fighting each other?
by myself:
vet = well knowen player with high skills in piloting his ship (not dieeing, much shooting, good skilling) vets have a great ability as FC due to their experience in eoc battles.
first time bfalcon we agree in a thing
by theplayer:
the following people, in my eyes, have gained respect enough to be a vet:
1337
Warden-Dios
nice to see me on top of that list, thanks player, hope some other guys (samurai) will see this ;)
nothing more to say atmo ;) reply to this pls ;)
I think its all been pretty much well covered already really, apart from some daft narrow-minded elitist views on what a 'vet' is...
but the games full of them, and no way have they all been mentioned here yet..
to me a vet is simply a nick ive seen time and again throughout all these rounds, ppl whove experienced the wide range of situations we can find ourselves in and easily adapted to them, learning from mistakes and showing everyone else how things are done best..
also they are the ppl who make the game interesting, with the politics, the subterfuge, the friendships and yes the treachery, and displays of honour too. Everything that makes this game more than just pressing buttons.
theres rankings of vets too, the pilots who kill most, the ones who escape destruction on 1% shields, the repair ships always there to repair (they don't get enough credit its true), the leaders who can inspire you to lose sleep night after night to get another level/kill/sector cleared, the list could go on..
Just take scans of every sector, if you recognise the nick - he/shes most likely a vet, and if you recognise lots of nicks - then you're a vet as well.
I'll just add one name to the lists soltys - The Man who brought us the FAQ every Faction uses - whatever they call it.
not to forget, he is the "creator" of the killing list
I cant believe only one person mentioned my name :cry:
c'mon someone must recognise me..........
Blackadder? nope he left mid round 1. hmmm
Isle*? nope he is MIA. hmmm
infinite? nope he doesnt use these boards.
I know shed7.... he'll back me up :D
This game has been so much fun, the best part for me has been getting to know the personalities behind the pilots. The bulletin board has helped a lot with that.
We all owe a debt to those who participate fully and often and help make the experience INTERESTING!
I particularly applaud those like soltys and kudos and yes, even the Infamous Squadrons of Questionable Derivation who spend time making lasting contributions to the realm of the game.
And I also applaud everyone who's served their factions as Fleet Commander. It's an insane and thankless job that gets noticed most in bad ways. GOOD FCs are those who hang in there and do their best to make the environment one which encourages their pilots to participate with good heart whether the battle is going well or poorly. I salute you all.
Wingee, He Who Inspires Searching, Mystic Protector of the Innocent Against the Evil Lag Monster, OM, you also have made this game a cool place to be. Three cheers and a glass of Boris' blood wine for you!
Forum moderators, machine hosts, the whole behind-the-scenes cast. you too deserve our recognition and thanks. And so often, we simply don't know who you are. Or knew and forgot. Or didnt notice because your forum name doesnt match your game name.
Lastly, I want to add - anyone can be a veteran. Anyone can be a good pilot or repairer. And anyone can become a good friend and a companion in this little universe of EoC. I prize those acquaintances I've made and those voices in the darkness I've fought beside in triumphant, wonderful battles, and pathetic losing battles. :)
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Leet (I'm not using that lame language any more... it's almost as bad as "*****"...), TTW didn't betray the Oman - they just recognised that the Oman Command weren't willing to keep any agreement they entered into - something I found out many turns before. The hackers were just really the deciding factor in the end...
I was only the MCA FC until about turn 600-700 when I got so sick and tired of ex-League pilots trying to cause trouble (not all... just most) that I quit. I tried to make it back to the MCA two weeks later, but was unable to do so, so I wound up with the 3rd Way.
I really felt sorry for the likes of Octobriana - such pilots struck me as being honest and honourable. It's a shame that some of the Oman Command were two-faced for most of the game... asking for help then blowing up the help we did send was the final straw for me... but that's long over.
Leet, you asked me about why they would ally with their enemy? That question hardly surprises me, to be honest... TTW and MCA pilots, although possessing some bad blood between them, also respected each other, having had such a long time to fight each other without interruption. From where I was, it looked like the Oman were trying their best to position themselves where they could clean up the remnants of both fleets...
If the Oman FCs (RUSLab especially) weren't so arrogant, they might have succeeded. The Oman FC right at the end was probably the best they had (Octobriana?), but by that time, it was too late.
These are my opinions of what happened in Round 1...
ThePlayer
20-01-2002, 18:04
Originally posted by BFalcon
Hmm... there are a lot of people that by your own definition should be there, but are absent (I notice that I wasn't on the list either...).
Don't forget to include opponents that have also proven themselves... respect for enemies is not a failing. :)
(Thanks TumNarDok...) :)
i was gonna list everybody but i needed sleep...i have exams tomorrow. there are of course far more, some of those on that list were enemies last game and all are this game, barring 2.
they should have a "vets" game for ppl who have been signed up since game 1, it would be SO active!
Please god NO!!! :eek:
We don't get enough sleep as it is! :D
Think of the families... think of the loved ones... think of the loss of work... ;)
Originally posted by BFalcon
I really felt sorry for the likes of Octobriana - such pilots struck me as being honest and honourable. It's a shame that some of the Oman Command were two-faced for most of the game... asking for help then blowing up the help we did send was the final straw for me... but that's long over.
I've said this before, maybe you don't believe me but we really didn't mean to do that. As far as I know, after the League, we were going to help the side that helped us out with them. I don't know why people opened fire on those MCA ships that showed up. Maybe because they came alone or in small groups, I don't know. It wasn't ordered and we didn't have pre-arrangements with the TTW.
Originally posted by BFalcon
If the Oman FCs (RUSLab especially) weren't so arrogant, they might have succeeded. The Oman FC right at the end was probably the best they had (Octobriana?), but by that time, it was too late.
It was RusLab all the time since before we were shooting the League HQ, until after he was killed. O was FC then.
Hehe... RUSLab being killed was SO funny!!!
Proving once again that the night shift can be so useful. :)
* Looks left . . .
* Looks right . . .
* scratches his chin . . .
a "fast round" means, 15 minutes are one turn, have been spoken about this already at the end of first round, but we made a poll, and this showed up not to do so, so why make espacially a "vet" game..!?
Since we're talking about people we've fought alongside, I'd like to honor some people from my time as a member of the MCA in round 1 of this game:
First of all, I wish to honor the other members of the original squadron 6:
Isle*
Durb118
Davis
blackadder
Darkmaster
This was the first squadron I had joined in this game, and let me just say it was a privilege to have been amongst such distinguised individuals.
Next, I would like to honor those whom I fought alongside during the Defense of Darwin early in round 1:
Shiid, Wingee, Murray, Downfaul, quatar, Zoomer, Ginger, ser1US, Purelong, Ghasrac, Pekka_H, FAMSq, Zrbyte, Murzator, ralph, opium, benpu
Of course, when one mentions the Defense of Darwin, one also has to mention the Defense of Toadskin (which was happening at the same time). So, here are some of the heroes from that battle:
Whitewolf, SheikYrbouti, and HarryWholsE -these pilots were the leaders of the defensive
But, being a leader doesn't do one any good if there aren't some excellent people there for a leader to command, namely:
Oystein, Shalam, keridamned, boycie, ohms-->,djram82, corund, NoPeace
Grimlock
21-01-2002, 02:22
/looks for his name on list
/looks some more
/sheds a tear
:D
Most of those names are gone now gordon :(
I agree though, all of thos are veterans except maybe Durb118 (he lost us scans in round 1 under very suspicious circumstances) also the fact that we parted on bad terms :(
My Vet list would be........
Grimlock ( no more tears buddy ;) )
Darkening
The hero
Morgana
Bfalcon
Tagert
Shed7
Basically anyone who's name caught my eye on the contact lists.
Grimlock
21-01-2002, 05:17
Aww thanks bro that gives me a nice warm feeling inside..oh now wait thats heartburn :bigeye:
Originally posted by 1337
not to forget, he is the "creator" of the killing list
I'm glad soltys got some mentions, coz he is THE vet, as far as I'm concerned.
It was Boris who invented the Kill Rankings, which were published in Oman comms for months before soltys took over the job, did it better & was persuaded to put them on the BB.
The KR's existence also transformed soltys' game. From being a sometimes-repair-ship & all-round team-player, he became a mad psychopath driven only by the urge to kill. Nice to see all that game skill put to good use, though I always find the manic laughter a bit unsettling.
Where is soltys now, BTW? I'm missing him...
(I know he's still Oman, but I haven't seen a word by him in a while)
Originally posted by BFalcon
Hehe... RUSLab being killed was SO funny!!!
Proving once again that the night shift can be so useful. :)
It was tea-time on a Saturday afternoon.
Sorry BF, but I'm being driven to the conclusion that you're a pompous idiot with his head rammed so far up his own waste-disposal chute that he wouldn't see the light of a super-nova if it erupted just outside the hatch.
I could work through all your previous postings which have persuaded me of this, but nobody could be bothered. Let's just say it's an aesthetic judgement, entirely personal and not legally binding in any way.
And another thing: Alex, you move this 'Off-Topic' and I'll send a stampeding thunderous hoarde of rabbits and turtles after you.
oh, OK then..... [Changes trousers]
Gordon: Gawd.. some of those names bring back memories... Blackadder especially.
He was the one who got me down to 3rd Way space in time to join the 180 assault on Eureka... went in a level 1, came out of it a level 9... THOSE were the days... :)
Boris: Tea-time, WHERE??? I apologise, I assumed that since half the Oman fleet were asleep at the time, it was night-time for the majority of them. Don't forget, wherever you are, it's night-time for somebody... :p
Seriously, I seem to remember the announcment coming through during the night... I was obviously offline more than I recalled at that time. It was still funny though, given the Oman's arrogance towards the other factions... a lesson in humility there, methinks...
As for your comments towards me, I to go mainly on other people's comments about you to judge your character... but I have yet to hear many favourable reports...
Whitewolf
21-01-2002, 15:33
Blackadder was really good.Too bad he isn't in the game anymore. :cry:
Nothing builds levels like a base assault,but nothing packs more 'oomph' than the base defenses.
Gordon:Oh,the Darwin defense!Isn't that the first action that the MCA saw in game 1?That was so long ago!As for the Toadskin defense,I think I overreacted a few times :eekblue: .
I joined the Darwin Defence in my 3rd turn of the game.....
Wow I was such a Noob then :blush:
the donz
21-01-2002, 21:19
boris the b (bobo)he he :bounce:
thats not a very nice thing to say about Bfalcon :devil:
I think your just just jealous :dark:
because hes oman and your mca he he :grntngue:
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Grimlock: Will be avidly anticipating your website for vets!
BFalcon: Yes, those were some heady days for the MCA. We were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave back then. Up until the Great Server Crash of turn 201, when the wave finally broke, and rolled back.
Whitewolf: Don't you and the others who participated in Toadskin sell yourselves short. It was thanks to your efforts there, frustrating the Navy, that enabled us to arrange an NAP with them. Without that, we wouldn't have been able to concentrate our efforts on destroying Maas.
Zrbyte: You thought you were a Noob. I didn't know that you could power down until I was finally told by someone.
The scenario in question:
It was early into the defense of Darwin. At the time, we were hurriedly trying to form some modicum of organization. While that was going on, Maas was methodically eliminating our top guys. Eventually, they got to me. Fortunately, they didn't have enough firepower to take me out in one turn.
So there I am, sitting there with less than a quarter of my shields left, counting down the minutes until next turn (and what would likely be my imminent destruction). It was around an hour left in the turn that I sent out a message, asking whether I should go out in a blaze of glory, or sweat it out, hoping to survive long enough to jump out.
Some time after sending out that message, I got a response from someone (I believe it was Isle*, I'm not sure) that went something like this:
There is a third option, you know. You can power down.
I stood there slacked-jawed for a moment, absolutely stunned. Then the palm of my hand came in contact with my forehead, and I quoted that immortal bard, Homer Simpson:
"D'oh!"
Needless to say, thanks to that bit of advise, I was able to survive, and help in the defense of Darwin. This would eventually culminate in the destruction of Maas's HQ, thanks to a combined effort by the MCA and The Third Way.
Originally posted by the donz
thats not a very nice thing to say about Bfalcon :devil:
I think your just just jealous :dark:
because hes oman and your mca he he :grntngue:
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Maybe true, but it was the snickering that got me. Especially from one normally so high-and-mighty on a fairly painful subject.
How do you like the new tag, BTW? Really, the only reason I'm posting is to see how it looks. Am I glad I got SF before he got me... probably the best pilot I've ever killed. I was beginning to worry he really was indestructible!
Best pilot? Big compliment. I guess I seriously underestimated that guy.
Originally posted by Boris
Maybe true, but it was the snickering that got me. Especially from one normally so high-and-mighty on a fairly painful subject.
Snickering? Anyone (even the target, RUSLab) should have appreciated such a beautiful piece of planning and execution... it was fairly typical of the round 1 TTW Spec Ops teams... we faced several strikes ourselves - indeed, I died in one such strike. The only (rather big) difference was the fact that you guys lost the scans as a result.
If its any consolation, I'm Oman these days... and you're MCA... so I guess fate plays strange games, neh?
BTW... high and mighty? :wierdblu:
You've really got it in for me today, haven't you? ;)
Gandalf_uk
22-01-2002, 01:30
Hay Kristof sorry to see the state of your Sectors.
http://www.contrabandent.com/cwm/s/otn/violent/bigun2.gif
Wow, my thread made it to 50 replies and I didn't even have to reply once. *wipes a tear from his eye* I'm so proud :)
Thanks Zrbyte, you were the only person who actually answered my question. Atleast, in your opinion. :D
Originally posted by Gandalf
Hay Kristof sorry to see the state of your Sectors.
http://www.contrabandent.com/cwm/s/otn/violent/bigun2.gif
The ttw have done plenty of http://www.contrabandent.com/cwm/s/otn/violent/bigun2.gif already.
The day I learn that a ship that can power down is almost indestructible if piloted properly, I get a level 7 and die.
Whitewolf
22-01-2002, 02:27
Gordon: Wow,really?I didn't know that the MCA Toadskin defense was so significant.I really wonder what happened to the pilots involved-badboy,Keridamned,HarryWhoise and some others I can't remember.:(
HardEyes
22-01-2002, 03:27
Originally posted by Kristof
The day I learn that a ship that can power down is almost indestructible if piloted properly, I get a level 7 and die.
It was a pleasure to see you dying...
No offense meant, but we for shure didn't think that we really could kill Mr. Veteran Kristof...
och damn, I just have to comment....
Originally posted by BFalcon
I really felt sorry for the likes of Octobriana - such pilots struck me as being honest and honourable. It's a shame that some of the Oman Command were two-faced for most of the game... asking for help then blowing up the help we did send was the final straw for me... but that's long over.
I really don't understand ppl talking about "two-facedness" and "treachery" in this game. I don't TRUST any of you in other Factions while Piloting my ship in the Gameworld, a little, maybe even 90% sometimes -depending on your Factions current situation, but never 100%. We're supposed to be trying to win after all, and Clay does say treachery is part of the game, so I expect it, so should everyone else. Anyway "honour" is the wrong word for these things, Sincerity is the one youre after.
and BFalcon - the number of times you post about the "Omans dishonour" in game 1 shows you can't get your mind away from game 1 - it's obviously NOT long over for you.
Leet, you asked me about why they would ally with their enemy? That question hardly surprises me, to be honest... TTW and MCA pilots, although possessing some bad blood between them, also respected each other, having had such a long time to fight each other without interruption. From where I was, it looked like the Oman were trying their best to position themselves where they could clean up the remnants of both fleets...
Was there no respect from TTW for the fact that the Oman had kept their alliance all thru the game? The attitude in the Oman was that the Final Fight shouldve been between the 2 Factions who had been allied all game, had never fired a shot at eachother and lived next door, after all - we killed our long term enemy the League, then we'd help TTW kill their long term enemy the MCA, then we'd fight it out for the Win, thats the way i've always understood our attitude to have been. It made sense in so many ways - including getting rid of the long term enemies of both allied Factions and allowing quicker travel between the Factions reincarnated ships during the battle from their bases to the Frontline.
Travelling between Daru-el-salem and Longshot trying to take out Massive bases would've been a nightmare, and pilots wouldve just given up.
If the Oman fleet didn't seem to be giving their all, you must think of the effort and RL time lost the 2 weeks killing League HQ - we were knackered pal. and we did most of the work killing TL, it was mainly TTW's fight against the MCA - it was for them to do the most work, not for the Oman to do half the work.
but even tho you can see "treachery" in the Oman killing MCA, you dont see "Treachery" in TTW suddenly turning on their long term allies?? You are being narrow-minded here, and deliberately blind as you only see your side.
If the Oman FCs (RUSLab especially) weren't so arrogant, they might have succeeded. The Oman FC right at the end was probably the best they had (Octobriana?), but by that time, it was too late.
So its really easy to completely understand ppl communicating by text is it? Can you be really sure ppl are being arrogant? btw Octobriana was also Oman FC before Ruslab - it would seem you think she was on of these arrogant FC's at this stage, but becoming really nice afterwards, this shows you cant be sure of ppls attitude from text.
also this statement doesn't count, because your original premise was incorrect. The Oman weren't positioning themselves to wipe TTW out, as I said we were tired and killing the MCA shouldve been mostly the fight of TTW, like we had dealt with the League. After, in my true opinion and recollection, it would have been a ceasefire and a fair fight, but we'll never really know now. My points are your opinions of what happened last round are incorrect, narrow, and one-sided. Personally I for one hold no grudges and have forgotton all about it, - why the hell can't you move on too?
Originally posted by Kristof
The day I learn that a ship that can power down is almost indestructible if piloted properly, I get a level 7 and die.
I'm surprised you didn't know that a long time ago, K. - too many pitched battles, I guess! Sorry to hear you're dead, especially since I've never had a chance to facilitate you that way myself.
Power-down operations require more than mere skill, though. Personally, I suspect The Black Sheep are called after their favourite sacrifice to the Voodoo Gods that watch over them.
Of course, SF should now be banging on the temple gates demanding his ewe back...
Originally posted by Kristof
Best pilot? Big compliment. I guess I seriously underestimated that guy.
Partly SF got seriously good - a man who never stops learning coupled with reckless bravery & the luck of the devil himself.
Partly Boris is just just a bunny-hunter with few seriously-good kills in his lists... (weeps hysterically)
Oh boy... here we go...
Honour in this case refers to not simply turning on a faction without a declaration of war... not deliberately lying to another FC (although some might argue that not being completely honest with them is as bad, it is a debatable point). Understand that by The Oman, I refer mainly to the FC at that point but also to the general apparent attitude at that time.
As for the arrogance, the language used was very clear. I got on very well with the Oman FC's up until the FC changed. After this point, the Oman FC started making more and more demands, including denying all MCA ships access to the space claimed by the Oman, except by prior agreement (which we found acceptable) but when it suited them, they were quite happy to ignore our own requests that they do likewise - I remember a couple of Oman ships that sauntered through our space, which the Oman FC didn't seem to want to shift out... and warned us against firing on them too...
The Oman FC then made more and more demands, including (towards the end) demands for help against the League. I sent a handful (I forget how many now, but a reasonable fleet) towards Oman space, which was then wiped out in a couple of turns by Oman ships, despite my notifying the Oman both ahead of time and when the reports came in of hostile fire. (Perhaps the FC was asleep at this point, but it didn't help our relations any... and I gave a couple of turn's notice).
Perhaps the biggest telling point was one phrase: "You are in no position to demand anything. You are the weakest faction, we are the strongest." That was used when we asked them to respect our space. I forget the exact wording, but that was the tone and content of the message. Would you not call that arrogant?
As for Octobriana, I think it was her I spoke to right at the start of my FC term (around 220-230)... I got on well with the FC at that point and the FC that stood in right afterwards. The following one was the one that started the trouble IMHO.
I didn't say that ALL the Oman FC's were arrogant, as you will see if you actually read my posts and the language I used... I was calling one or two of their FC's arrogant... which even a member of the Oman at that time has admitted of one FC. I would at this point like to apologise to RUSlab18, in case he wasn't one of the FC's I was annoyed at... although I am fairly certain that he was.
As for not firing on the Oman, I don't ever recall attacking the Oman in all the time I was playing (before the Oman declaration of Alliance with the 3rd Way) and no MCA member ever told me of such an incident... :)
As for the 3rd Way "betrayal", from their standpoint it seemed like the Oman had betrayed them first, by not supporting their attacks on Longshot when arranged to do so and by Oman ships occupying Cassandra and firing on 3rd Way ships entering the sector. And before you go denying it or accusing me of being mistaken, I was one of the ships fired upon, although I managed to get out in time. Even then, the 3rd Way were unwilling to break their alliance until the hacker started his work... after that point, it *looked* (I am not accusing anyone here) at that point like it might have been the Oman... I think that is when the 3rd Way finally decided that enough was enough and sided with the MCA... an opinion that was further enforced when the 3rd Way SpecOps team was wiped out by the hacker after the strike on RUSLab.
All of the above (and my previous posts) are from my standpoint since that is the only one I know. I do not know what happened for sure before 220, nor while Littlefish was FC, nor while Britnoth was FC after I quit the MCA (and the qame, for a while). I also cannot vouch with complete accuracy for the goings on of the 3rd Way FC during my stay there (although I *was* part of the CoW for a while - and saw a couple of FC messages that their Fc forwarded to that group) and certainly cannot for any events before I arrived in the 3rd Way.
Kudos, you have known me for some time, indeed it was you who introduced me to the game. You will know that I rarely fly off the handle and accuse someone because I feel like it - I need substantial proof before I accuse someone directly and if I do jump the gun and falsely accuse someone, I apologise when I realise my mistake. Also, you (to my knowledge) were never privy to the FC mails, so did not see the full picture of what happened...
Incidently, I would like to know who that stand-in FC was that had to quit... I got on quite well with them and was starting to gain some trust and respect for them... I never found out who they were though. :(
As for letting this die, I keep trying, but people keep bringing it back up (like now...) and as you know, I hate backing down from a fight if I think I'm right... :)
Silent Frog
22-01-2002, 08:15
Originally posted by Boris
Partly SF got seriously good - a man who never stops learning coupled with reckless bravery & the luck of the devil himself.
Partly Boris is just just a bunny-hunter with few seriously-good kills in his lists... (weeps hysterically)
wahouuuu...
You speak to me, Boris ??? ... *read* Thank You *surprise*
sorry, i'm very bad in english (better yesterday, lesser tomorow... i hope) My first message in the forum :
Yes, Boris this time/war i has try to be indestructible...
But for the luck : not enough what you think... Because in 30 piracy, 28 nothing found :sour: (the other is the gattling versus you ;) ) do you remember : no shoot to me on yours pilots when i stay powerdown in BW : all nothing found :mad:
Just one time, i go a very luck, the time or i find the Half repair drone : 16 % -> 66 %. i believe die this time if i don't try to promoted, luck save me... But the other times, i played with my promotions : +25 % when you are promoted. i can try the promoted at 16 % but i try piracy because i not underestimate you and i not sure for my promotion this time.
I know before i die, i think your pilots in MCA shoot me one turn before i die. But it's a not a surprise for me to die at this moment.
Good shoot with your gattling canon. Too quick for my message in Navy comm... i have delete the message before sending ... you are surprise me because i believe i have more long time after my powerdown.
You are my congratulations ! I like to be good ennemies pilots and you are.... Not so bad :lolblue:
Sorry for the others, i don't want send a complet list. You are not the alone, Boris, but you are a good pilot. And you have a BIG ego... Me too :angel:
Yes, i'll be back, i'm not too deceipt to die. When you play with the devil, a day or a night you can payed the price. i had payed for my squadron awake finnaly :devil: But it's very funny experience ! And i play for the fun, not for the ranking or the kill.
I have lot fun to fight with you so i'll be back, don't worry ! :grngrin:
a night i try to have 66 kill, because 666 is very hard :rolleyes: But it's not very urgent. I'm here since the first war, i'm here in the last war too
My respect at all good pilots ! For me, we play for the fun because we are no cheater or hacker... All good pilots are fair-play ! They try their personal objectifs but not at all price (cheat)
I respect good pilots and like play with them !
i return calibrate my screen for kill Bobo now with my rank one
Just for reaction at your message : Yes, don't Forget Soltys.
No insist, i don't want give the names of the very good pilots because this information is classified in Navy archives
SF DD TBSPW1SP
ya gimps, i got to kudos post, saw it was long so sorta scrolled down & blinked alot so my mind didnt think i was missing anything important, then i hit bfalcon's & i do it again & then silent frog has to go & write an essay, my eyes r killing me, it looks like im having an eye seizure:bigeye: now :P
Originally posted by Boris
I'm surprised you didn't know that a long time ago, K. - too many pitched battles, I guess! Sorry to hear you're dead, especially since I've never had a chance to facilitate you that way myself.
I'm used to flying a bigger ship. I never had much need for power down tactics but they are very usefull early in the game. Once you're a 7 and being targetted in the dead zone, you're dead. It was close though, I could load the jump destination screen with 1% shields but blew up before I could pick my destination and press the button.
Agent X20
22-01-2002, 11:07
BFalcon: "Incidently, I would like to know who that stand-in FC was that had to quit... I got on quite well with them and was starting to gain some trust and respect for them... I never found out who they were though. "
I think that was me... Octobriana disappeared almost overnight (something to do with a hospital!) and I took over for a while at rather short notice.
The next (properly voted in) man in was that crazy dude Galaxina. He had a death wish and a very interesting way of dealing with people, that sounds rather like the "you are the weakest... etc etc" you described.
He disappeard in a cloud of yelling and unhappyness and then Ruslab signed on.
Agent X20
PS No I'm not playing any more but I do like to check up on you lot from time to time. Surprised to see you still here Boris!
Galaxina is now The-Hawk and he's in the game.
*gives AgentX20 a beer* Come back and play so I can kill you again.
Agent X20
22-01-2002, 11:30
N-N-N-o...o...ooO must - - - resist - - - urge to pl-a-y EOCO...
Having got back my RL and finally broken the addiction once and for all I have no intention of rejoining, no matter how much Boris needs yelling at or you need killing, Mr Kristof.
It's just not the same without the Radiator, Blondie and Boris gang (and Octobriana) that founded TSWNN, as we whiled away the wee hours...
Agent
Agent: If you had the FC comms, then the timing sounds about right... EoCO has obviously lost a valuable player... I hope you reconsider.
As for The_Hawk... thanks for the warning. :eekblue:
:grngrin:
Whoah... Radiator... not seen THAT name for a while... nor Blondie... are they not still around?
Originally posted by Kristof
I'm used to flying a bigger ship. I never had much need for power down tactics but they are very usefull early in the game. Once you're a 7 and being targetted in the dead zone, you're dead. It was close though, I could load the jump destination screen with 1% shields but blew up before I could pick my destination and press the button.
You only died because we know that you "wasted" already at least 4 moves to kill a mid-lvl ship from us.
And since your are probably one of the hardest targets to kill everyone got the order to kill your little ship no matter if one of us has to die too. :grntngue:
I used 4 moves to kill warlord. Couldn't see him run at 12% so I fired. The remaining move was a gatling shot at Karloose, but the damn thing did less then 300 in damage. I was still at 80% when the dead zone came. I wouldn't have jumped out anyway on 80% even if I still had moves.
Wrath of Kee
22-01-2002, 18:57
Looks for my name under the 'vets... no posts, noone remembers me...
Guess that i have to be more active in here than in the game
Wrath of Kee:grngrin:
Lightspeed
22-01-2002, 19:36
You were high up on the target list anyway :)
*Looks for his name on veterans list, but is dissapointed*
:frownblu:
Originally posted by BFalcon
Honour in this case refers to not simply turning on a faction without a declaration of war... not deliberately lying to another FC (although some might argue that not being completely honest with them is as bad, it is a debatable point). Understand that by The Oman, I refer mainly to the FC at that point but also to the general apparent attitude at that time.
The word Honour is being used all over this Forum to describe lots of the tactical actions taken by Factions, and in a lot of cases its being used wrong - in hope that it degrades the players concerned I reckon.
This is about Oman ships firing at MCA at League. Have you never been in a situation where some of your Factions ships have ignored FC's orders and fired on an ally? happens all the time in my experience and not a lot can be done about it. I don't recall an order from Ruslab ( FC at the time) to attack MCA ships - and I didn't I can assure you of that.
As for the arrogance, the language used was very clear. I got on very well with the Oman FC's up until the FC changed. After this point, the Oman FC started making more and more demands, including denying all MCA ships access to the space claimed by the Oman, except by prior agreement (which we found acceptable) but when it suited them, they were quite happy to ignore our own requests that they do likewise - I remember a couple of Oman ships that sauntered through our space, which the Oman FC didn't seem to want to shift out... and warned us against firing on them too...
without seeing the actual arrogance in the comms, all I can say is - this sounds like an FC who's really standing up for his side and being forceful in politics - I can see no problem with trying to intimidate another Faction to save some of his ships from death in their space - maybe they were asleep?. This is one persons style of leadership diplomacy, maybe not pretty - but if it works.. well then. Thats part of his job. I could understand a leader thinking "if I ask them kindly they might see it as a sign of weakness, but if I tell them to let them live they'll see it as strength."
The Oman FC then made more and more demands, including (towards the end) demands for help against the League. I sent a handful (I forget how many now, but a reasonable fleet) towards Oman space, which was then wiped out in a couple of turns by Oman ships, despite my notifying the Oman both ahead of time and when the reports came in of hostile fire. (Perhaps the FC was asleep at this point, but it didn't help our relations any... and I gave a couple of turn's notice).
as I said before - not everyone follows orders, and I saw/received no order to attack MCA. and TTW were there at the time too, do you think, just perhaps, some of them fired at all? being long time enemies and all that.... but no, of course TTW wouldn't have fired on a few ships from the Faction they were still at war with...
Perhaps the biggest telling point was one phrase: "You are in no position to demand anything. You are the weakest faction, we are the strongest." That was used when we asked them to respect our space. I forget the exact wording, but that was the tone and content of the message. Would you not call that arrogant?
yes it does, and it does sound like Galaxina - FC for not even a week(?) - I think, quickly deposed, he/she was very bad and caused me to be inactive, only coming back when he/she was gone. So, evidence of One bad FC, has no other Faction had a bad FC ever?
I didn't say that ALL the Oman FC's were arrogant, as you will see if you actually read my posts and the language I used... I was calling one or two of their FC's arrogant... which even a member of the Oman at that time has admitted of one FC.
BFalcon, this is your other post..
If the Oman FCs (RUSLab especially) weren't so arrogant, they might have succeeded. The Oman FC right at the end was probably the best they had (Octobriana?), but by that time, it was too late.
It sure looks to me that I read your post right the first time, no matter how many times I look at it, your language is quite plain, all but Octobriana or more rightly all but Octobriana at the end.... if you had written your posts more carefully I wouldnt need to pull you up on them :/
As for not firing on the Oman, I don't ever recall attacking the Oman in all the time I was playing (before the Oman declaration of Alliance with the 3rd Way) and no MCA member ever told me of such an incident... :)
I'm afraid youve lost me here... are you talking when you were MCA or TTW? and did I say something about "As for not firing on the Oman"...? I don't know what this point is reffering to tbh..
anyway Oman and TTW alliance was in place before I joined the game (and so before you joined the game) back in turn 150, I dont know exactly when it started...
As for the 3rd Way "betrayal", from their standpoint it seemed like the Oman had betrayed them first, by not supporting their attacks on Longshot when arranged to do so
Ive explained this already, Oman took 2 weeks to decimate the League in their HQ to get to the point were the base was nearly dead - we did all that on our own, calling TTW and MCA in for the last day. TTW shouldve done most of the fighting against MCA themselves, they didnt have to watch their falnks etc and couldve put alltheir efforts into it and We Were Knackered of £*%$&^% Sieges !!!
btw: I was level 10 - I was one of 20 ships that did help TTW out whenever they jumped in, a lot of our other ships were inactive, I also remember that TTW's attacks seemed half-hearted to us - do you remember you guys jumping in for only a few turns then out again? no offence at all to ex-TTW players but you didnt fight against the MCA anywere near as hard as Oman had had to against the League base.
and Oman ships occupying Cassandra and firing on 3rd Way ships entering the sector. And before you go denying it or accusing me of being mistaken, I was one of the ships fired upon, although I managed to get out in time.
Cassandra? while the MCA siege was on? Training Camps anyone??
Cassandra was the Training Camp m8, shoud've read your comms more carefully at the time, I was against the idea myself, and didnt use it or need it since I was level 10, but both Factions had problems from the other trying to run that thing - one of the reasons I was against the daft idea. It's the "not all pilots follow orders" thingy again...
Even then, the 3rd Way were unwilling to break their alliance until the hacker started his work... after that point, it *looked* (I am not accusing anyone here) at that point like it might have been the Oman... I think that is when the 3rd Way finally decided that enough was enough and sided with the MCA... an opinion that was further enforced when the 3rd Way SpecOps team was wiped out by the hacker after the strike on RUSLab.
Oh come on !! your timeline is totally messed up here !! the hacker didn't strike until after Ruslab was killed, and TTW and MCA had already decided their course of action ffs.
do you remember the old Forum and the FC comms being posted? while we were attacking MCA HQ, MCA FC sent Ruslab TTW FC's comms suggesting that MCA and TTW kill Oman after TTW kill MCA base etc..
fair enough everyone remembers their side of the story but plz remember things close to the order in which they happened..
Kudos, you have known me for some time, indeed it was you who introduced me to the game. You will know that I rarely fly off the handle and accuse someone because I feel like it - I need substantial proof before I accuse someone directly and if I do jump the gun and falsely accuse someone, I apologise when I realise my mistake. Also, you (to my knowledge) were never privy to the FC mails, so did not see the full picture of what happened...
m8, you need to open your mind to the fact that every faction, like in RL, has its good and bad, and none of the Factions are spotless, and dirt can be dragged up on all of them and made to stick. also the fact that misunderstandings happen, and in this game individual pilots can be chaotic, and you only really know the story from your own side - I understand this, thats why even when I was attacking the Navy on the Forum last round I avoid generalising and restrict my own bias assumptions as much as possible, giving ppl the benefit of the doubt - until proof appears - because I know I don't know all sides of the story, and so some things have to be assumed. I also remember I didn't suspect Scalpel etc killing Ruslab as being the work of multies - even tho it was enough to convince some ppl. I think if you had been Oman at that time - you would've suspected Scalpel of being a multie. It's simply a way of understanding you don't have all the facts - and so - shouldn't judge so quickly and especially harshly.
continued on next post...
As for letting this die, I keep trying, but people keep bringing it back up (like now...) and as you know, I hate backing down from a fight if I think I'm right... :)
People keep bringing it up on you eh? It's not you that keeps bringing it up then? let me reread this thread from the start quoting your posts as I go...
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and when the Oman joined the assault on the MCA, why they failed to join in either of the assaults with any strength?
and
As for Scalpel not being honourable? He did what needed to be done... and in round 1, I found him extremely honourable, as with Shed7. Calling them dishonourable is an insult to my friends, so I would suggest caution... especially when I found them far more honourable than the Oman in round 1...
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the Oman Command weren't willing to keep any agreement they entered into - something I found out many turns before.
and
It's a shame that some of the Oman Command were two-faced for most of the game.... asking for help then blowing up the help we did send was the final straw for me... but that's long over.
and of course
If the Oman FCs (RUSLab especially) weren't so arrogant, they might have succeeded. The Oman FC right at the end was probably the best they had (Octobriana?), but by that time, it was too late.
and I could easily go and search thru a lot of other posts on this Forum where you have, without provocation, continually brought up this, your favourite subject. I did actualy post on a thread before about it, but you failed to respond to that one, and I let it go. I don't have lockjaw surrounding the events of game 1, plz m8, sort yourself out on this i'm getting really tired of it.. :/
Ah screw it... I can't be bothered any more...
If you want my reply Kudos (or anyone else), I'll pm it to you... otherwise I'll delete it.
I'll paste it into Notepad for now... it'll be deleted in a day or so...
yes I have, and we'll leave it at that, there are points I could take exception to...
(like you don't need to slander others when backing up your friends, especially when those others weren't involved in the slander that insulted you, and Oman were fighting League before the base assault just as long as TTW vs MCA and our fight at their base was the most intense action of round 1 - so saying we didn't deserve a rest is wrong, no one except those present can understand the effort put into the League base assault, maybe someone else would like to describe it for ppl to get a understanding, so its not considered a part of our *discussion*)
... as long as you puleeasse stop refering to the Oman in game 1 the way you have. I won't feel the need to say another word on it.
it may be only a month, but its still the past...
Edit: too late, I already read it =)
O...K...
I didn't realise that you were online, otherwise I would have left it alone...
You want me to restore the post so people know what you're talking about?
If someone does do the history, they would have to interview every FC and probably every CoW (or local equivelent) to get the full story... not an enviable job. :(
(So I see - I feel like we're playing tennis with a ball each...) :D
As far as saying that they didn't deserve the rest, I didn't say that... what I was saying was that the Oman had a chance to rest AFTER the League assault, while the 3rd Way (and especially the MCA) didn't... so had to hang on until the end of the game... :)
about your post: its totally up to you, would probly make more sense of the rest tho.., i don't mind..
So I see - I feel like we're playing tennis with a ball each...
That is a good way to put it, reminds me of Napoleon..
"History is but a set of lies agreed upon"
and tbh, I don't remember much of a rest, my memory says we attacked the MCA pretty dam quick after, but I could be wrong, nevertheless the humans involved in the Oman were extremely tired - that was why the inactivity...
You guys tallied a bit for the training camps... but all I said was that you had the opportunity to rest had you had wished to do so.
Something that neither the MCA or 3rd Way had a chance to do... had we tried, the other would have made them pay for it...
I wonder what the Oman standpoint would have been though if they had perceived the MCA as being the most powerful of the two factions... would they have still sided with the TW?
Come to that, what if the server hadn't crashed in 200? Would the MCA have defeated the 3rd Way or would they have weakened themselves so much that they would have been destroyed in a counter-attack? What about if the League FC voting had worked... would we still be looking at a League/MCA, 3rd Way/Oman alliance standoff?
Interesting points... but unfortunately, all in the past. The two-alliance standoff might have been fun though... :)
Come to that, what if the 3rd Way had more active members in the last round... or if the Oman had finished the job... :)
Anyone want to make this a "What If" thread? It would be interesting to see people's (honest) ideas... for last round especially...
Kudos: It is very arrogent of you to say that your battle with the League in round one was the most intense.
It was only intense from your point of view, My personal opinion is that MCA Vs TTW was the most intense and yours was simply the most poorly planned given that it took you around 700 turns to finish (IMHO).
Originally posted by Zrbyte
Kudos: It is very arrogent of you to say that your battle with the League in round one was the most intense.
It was only intense from your point of view, My personal opinion is that MCA Vs TTW was the most intense and yours was simply the most poorly planned given that it took you around 700 turns to finish (IMHO).
excuse me Zrbyte, but thats definately not arrogance, if anything I could be accused of ignorance about other battles..
my reference to intense (and the word intense implies a relatively short time) applies only to the the Battle of League Hq, which required the participants to use tactics and play in certain ways that normal battles dont.
dont you think fighting at a Base is different than fighting in sectors? and try a 1.5 million points base that shoots back at you while at the same time having to keep the defending forces of the League from leaving up, repairing the base to its max of 2 million, and also keeping your own forces alive - it was intense and different than any other situation i've been in during my time in EoCo
My personal opinion is that MCA Vs TTW was the most intense and yours was simply the most poorly planned given that it took you around 700 turns to finish (IMHO).
actually League Hq went BOOM around turn 500 m8, after numerous assaults back and forth by both Factions, we fought since turn 150 (thats when i joined so probly before) in the sectors on our borders back and forth, Oman attacked League base about turn 350, had to retreat, went in again about 425 and took about 75-100 turns to kill the thing.
and If you think we were "poorly planned", couldn't the exact same be said of the MCA vs TTW battles then?
they certainly went on for longer, and neither Faction managed to take down eithers Massive HQ or FINISH the BATTLE !!
so bháh to you pal !
Oh no... :rollani:
Kudos: It wasn't me... honest... :angel:
*lol*
sheesh being accused of arrogance then he follows it by an arrogant statement of his own, who cares anyway?
and yes it was only my opinion...
Originally posted by Zrbyte
Kudos: It is very arrogent of you to say that your battle with the League in round one was the most intense.
It was only intense from your point of view, My personal opinion is that MCA Vs TTW was the most intense and yours was simply the most poorly planned given that it took you around 700 turns to finish (IMHO).
The difference being that the Oman did actually take out a million-plus base while 3W just slimed around in politics till the end of g1.
Many ex-3W pilots still blame the Oman for our joint failure to take out Longshot. Don't know where to start with that idea, except that it always helps if you put the hairy part of the head on pointing towards the back & the bit with the eyes, nose & mouth facing the front.
Of course, this is not intended as a comment on any current factions...
Boris: As a 3rd Way, I didn't attack anyone, nor was I part of the decision-making... I flew a repair ship to patch up those who needed it...
I was MCA for most of the game (175-650 (I *think*... we'd have to check on the end turn number)), as was Zrbyte... so who the heck are you on about?
But as far as the co-ordination goes, the fault did appear to be at the Oman end of things from the 3rd Way comms I recieved... FACT. What you make of that is up to you. That is NOT my opinion, it was that of the FC and the CoW at that time.
Originally posted by kudos
and If you think we were "poorly planned", couldn't the exact same be said of the MCA vs TTW battles then?
they certainly went on for longer, and neither Faction managed to take down eithers Massive HQ or FINISH the BATTLE !!
Actually, in my opinion if the server hadn't crashed on the M.C.A.'s first major and planned attack on The Third Ways HQ, that it would of been destroyed. We lost a great deal of ships to that, because the HQ was still shooting.
But, that's just my opinion. The assault was well planned, just didn't leave leeway for a server crash because it had never happened before.
Hmm, Guess I didnt think my post out properly :bigeye:
Are you sure The Hq went boom around 500? I would Have said it was 600 at the cery earliest. I say this because me and Wardondios never saw Eye to Eye from when he joined until the last turn of the game (And it certainly didnt feel like a 496 turn arguement :bigeye: ).
And as for Failed Base attacks, try Finishing a Base off with 1.2M Hp after spending 20 turns in a factions HQ unable to repair(Faction held 6 sectors at the time)
Also I appologise for my previous post, Didnt come out as i planned.
Oh and just for the record I have been here since turn 28 EOC1 (Not that it means anything, I just thought that I would say It :D )
Grimlock
23-01-2002, 04:31
People cmon now you arent 2 years old!
Stop being pissed about what happened in g1 that was a long time ago and is now over. Lets all try and be friends shall we
oh and btw I have great respect for the league. In game 1 they were the best faction imo. They held out against an assult from both the oman and the navy against their hq for like 500 turns or more. They fought with courage and honour and are truly some of the best pilots out there.
In particular I remember BlackJesus who is now gone, Warden-dios and others who I now have the honour of fighting against as part of the oman.
In game 1 I was there for the TTW/MCA war man that thing was fun. They attacked our hq we then drove them back to theirs then they did the same back to us.
Boris, Bfalcon, kudos you guys are all great pilots who like your factions no need to fight about it though.
Make cheesecake not war!:yum:
AWW, I always love a good fight http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s2/ups/unknown/lsvader.gif It's nice to have something to take your stress out on.......
Dont know about cheesecake though bud, I never was too good at cooking http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/contrib/edoom/microwave.gif
Grimlock
23-01-2002, 04:54
Where do you get all these cool gifs from?
Hey wow it was nice to see my old name pop up now and then :D
I think there are a couple that people haven't given much to.. billythekid was really really good in game 1 (he kinda vanished in game 2). Whitewolf must have been playing this for ages coz i killed his rank 10 when i was but a little newbie (ahahaha!! that was great). I dunno if he is still around but Angel* was quite a good veteran.
I would pretty much agree with who everyone else listed :grngrin:
Originally posted by Silent Frog
... don't Forget Soltys...
Where IS soltys? Been missing him... Of course, if he were in my Enemies List I wouldn't miss him at all...
Agent X20
24-01-2002, 13:13
Boris - now I see why you don't do smiley faces.
Looking at your photo, you've got nothing to smile about - 'cause you're one feckin' ugly bugger!
Agent "I'm invisible" X20
Lambchop! Haven't slegged you in ages!
You're not one to be making "ugly" comments. At least the sheep don't complain when I snog 'em.
Agent X20
25-01-2002, 07:25
Is that what you were doin' in that photo...........!
Agent "No I'm not playing ANY more!" X20
I think I better add my story to the Bfalcon /Kudos debate
The NAP started between Oman and 3rd Way Turn 35 shortly before the MCA/3rd alliance to take out MAAS.
With the exception of the occasional rogues from both side the Oman stayed true to their word and we eventually upgraded this to an alliance to help the Oman defeat the League using my own squad the SOS.
The attack on the league was happening at the same time the MCA made a major push once again on our HQ but rather than pull back our support of the Oman we saw it as a chance for our HQ fleet to rank up. This is when CMEPTb and Billy The Kid became real vets in my opinion as faced with overwhelming odds and under teh command of Bfalcon they took our HQ down to 64% but then was forced to retreat from a slowly ranking up army of 3rd's finest.
The SOS, isolated from their HQ found enemy MCA jumping in to surround us in League space so we fought our way out and demanded an explaination from the Oman FC who it seemed to us set us up for a trap. SOS killed lots of MCA that day :) in League space.
Shed7 resigned as FC and I took over
The Oman finished off the League whilst the 3rd way push back the MCA to their home system.
A week later the Oman arrive to support the 3rd Way against the MCA.
Third Way ships where spotted by one of my pilots who took a megafreighter jump to Hamadan and powered down. The Oman had created 6 multi -accounts and trained on these ships for over 120 turns maybe more and more than likely used them to spy on our fleet. I contacted the Oman FC and demanded an explaination but instead he ignore the message then moved the "training camp to Greenback"
Everything went well for the first 2 attacks on the HQ as Oman sent ships in although most where ranks 6-9 therefore the 3rd Way was taking all the damage. Then attack after attack was planned on the MCA HQ with fewer and fewer Oman ships jumping in each time. Instead we had set up a training base in Cassandra to help the Oman gain some rank 10 fighters as that was there excuse for not participating.
Oman rogues galore popped up and continually shot at friendly ships. My personal list of Oman rogues numbered 24.
Pilot in my fleet started to vote me out -I was being to soft, The Oman are playing us for idiots etc. I was voted out then back in again as my actions during this time changed. I no longer accepted apologies. Ships which fired on us died, the training camp was over and we pulled out of the fight with the MCA.
I staged a mock war with the Oman Elites- allowing the rogues from both sides to go at it while we waited for the MCA to creep out of their HQ into the surround systems.
The Oman continues to fire on our ships in Cassandra even though the training camp was finished.
Then it gets real interesting. 1 ship made the difference. I cant remember the turn number but we planned to break the NAP with the MCA and attack Garden. I asked the Oman FC that he discontinues firing on my ships which will be travelling through Cassandra on the way to Garden to fight the MCA.
1 rank 10 ship (I think it was POWER but I could be wrong) was taken down to 30% shields by Oman ships in Cassy on his way to Garden. Instead of waiting 1 more turn for the attack he jumps into Garden. The MCA FC contacts me (still believing we are at war with the Oman) and asks if he should give the ship free passage as he looked badly damaged. I said yes and POWER(?) managed to get back to 3rd way space.
I asked myself 1 question. -An enemy for 800 turns has just spared the life of one of my pilots which was shot at by my ally -who do I trust and who would I rather have by my side.
My ships had already engaged the Jump to Garden and I switched sides, never regreatting it for a moment. Within 3 turns my confidence grew from 83% to 95% and Omans died in their Hundreds -well about 20 :)-~
I believe in honor, trust, sacrifice but only as far as the pilots in my Faction are concerned because as their leader I must make the choices which will win them the game.
I now judge FC's by their actions not their words, by thier ability to lead , not by their excuses
Scalpel :)-~
Vets I know and love:
Shed7
Mr Bombastic -gone but not forgotten)
Waldo$an -broke his leg skiing and got himself a girlfriend :)
Angry-turnip -strange greek with hairy butt
Oli7110 -May a rabid goat mount your first born child
Redbaron -where the hell has he disappeared to?
Wrath of Kee
Agent_x20 -Killed me again you *******
Zarrock -I would like to fight beside him but thank god we cant shoot friendly ships :)
Lemming -The Cavalry
Coolant -you ***** me up
Rogerrabbit -Thanks for helping with Ruslab, I almost cried when your squad Jumped in -yippeee, just at the right time
Samurai -my protector, advisor, designated pain in the butt but always worth listening to (even if you arent very nice about it)
Boris -tries to make the game more fun and is not always appreciated at 5 o'clock in the morning, teller of tall tales of victory
BFalcon -arch enemy now a good friend :0)
ALL the members of the SOS who I kept up all night for 20 minutes of chaos every turn.
Infinite -thanks for resigning :)-~
Octobriana -you look mighty cute in dem jeans
Isle* (the orginal trickster)
Whitewolf, Blackadder, Darius, Britnoth, RamsteinIII, Wraith
Its a bit like the Academy awards aint it -theres an essay for ya Samurai
Someday I'll be a vet. (in accordance with the prophecy)
er, time for the medication already?
*sigh*
well seems like we have to have a huuuuuges poll about vets.... with no option to vote for yourself ;)
anyone remember squad 55 in game 1 ?`most of the players are gone but we kicked some butt ;)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scalpel
[B]I think I better add my story to the Bfalcon /Kudos debate
Then it gets real interesting. 1 ship made the difference. I cant remember the turn number but we planned to break the NAP with the MCA and attack Garden. I asked the Oman FC that he discontinues firing on my ships which will be travelling through Cassandra on the way to Garden to fight the MCA.
1 rank 10 ship (I think it was POWER but I could be wrong) was taken down to 30% shields by Oman ships in Cassy on his way to Garden. Instead of waiting 1 more turn for the attack he jumps into Garden. The MCA FC contacts me (still believing we are at war with the Oman) and asks if he should give the ship free passage as he looked badly damaged. I said yes and POWER(?) managed to get back to 3rd way space.
I realy dose not know the hold story since I was with MCA at the time. However I know POWER was not with TTW in game one.
Originally posted by hoa11
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scalpel
[B]I think I better add my story to the Bfalcon /Kudos debate
Then it gets real interesting. 1 ship made the difference. I cant remember the turn number but we planned to break the NAP with the MCA and attack Garden. I asked the Oman FC that he discontinues firing on my ships which will be travelling through Cassandra on the way to Garden to fight the MCA.
1 rank 10 ship (I think it was POWER but I could be wrong) was taken down to 30% shields by Oman ships in Cassy on his way to Garden. Instead of waiting 1 more turn for the attack he jumps into Garden. The MCA FC contacts me (still believing we are at war with the Oman) and asks if he should give the ship free passage as he looked badly damaged. I said yes and POWER(?) managed to get back to 3rd way space.
I realy dose not know the hold story since I was with MCA at the time. However I know POWER was not with TTW in game one.
As far as I remember our discussion about finally siding with MCA it has been the ship from : Stiixx
orithill
29-01-2002, 06:13
Nice to see that nothing much has changed around here :grntngue:
It really is long past time this subject was put to bed, but a few facts & comments are needed.
Originally posted by Scalpel
The Oman had created 6 multi -accounts and trained on these ships...
"The Oman" were ignorant & FC felt powerless. When TSWNN found out about it we destroyed them. So much easier to deal with multis in another faction...
...Oman rogues galore...
Aye - like 3W had none. I'll not even start on this.
we pulled out of the fight with the MCA
First I've heard about this. I'd always thought it was the the 3W fight with MCA, in which Oman were helping.
Then it gets real interesting. 1 ship made the difference....
I'm amazed you still trot out this ridiculous lie, instead of taking credit where credit was due. The backstab was planned at least the weekend before - I saw the comms where you asked to go through Cassandra & FC replied "Hmmm - why you want to do that? Looks like backstab...hmmm?" So I was truely gobsmacked when he let you do it and offended when you tried to blame Boris (who was asleep in his bed at the time) for shooting up Stiixx...
Fact is, one of us had to backstab the other to break the deadlock. A lot of us in the Oman severely recommended hitting you in nasty places. FC decided otherwise, so we followed orders & paid the price.
Well done to you for a good operation, I've always thought. But purleese do not expect any reasonable person to believe it was a spur-of-the-moment thing.
B.
P.S. As you well know, Operation Trojan Bunny was not carried out by rogues on our side (even if Kristof did kill a couple of inactive firsties he shouldn't have), though with typical cunning you didn't tell your own mavericks that...
Seems nobody remember me. :( Anyway, I like EOC 1 at the beginning. Under the great leadership of Isle*, MCA was so formidable. However, everything has changed since that server crash. And the Navy hq was the only base I have destroyed in EOC although I would like to add 3rd way's hq so badly. ;)
Grimlock
31-01-2002, 07:40
I remember you...think you shot down my ship sometime in game 1
TimeBridge
31-01-2002, 10:49
something to add to the Scalpel - story:
i play EOC since turn 50 game1 or something.
and there was this squad: SOS.
maaaaaaan how i wanted to belong to it! :cry:
well , i guess i never did (can't remember... :D)
but i always jumped with them... :grntngue:
i could imagine the SOS-guys then in their cockpits: :confused: :confused:
well, :grngrin: :grngrin: so far with the SOS...
special thanks to Oli7110, who teached me how to fly around with these ships :coolred:
and another one goes out to the ones who have been with me last weekend! :angel:
THANK YOU, you all know what i'm talkin about ;)
greetz
TB
Originally posted by Fox13
Seems nobody remember me. :( Anyway, I like EOC 1 at the beginning. Under the great leadership of Isle*, MCA was so formidable. However, everything has changed since that server crash. And the Navy hq was the only base I have destroyed in EOC although I would like to add 3rd way's hq so badly. ;)
I remember you... didn't know you were still around though... :)
Just come back and read some posts during the 3 hours gaps in TVS. I prefer TVS to EOC now. Not so many bugs and more communications there. And more ships you can shoose. :p
WHAT!?
u like TVS more than EOC!?!?
EOC is 10 times better than TVS!!!
all u gotta look at is the layout and then u think.....NO
scorpionalph
05-02-2002, 22:23
Originally posted by haza
WHAT!?
u like TVS more than EOC!?!?
EOC is 10 times better than TVS!!!
all u gotta look at is the layout and then u think.....NO
Yes you are right!!! I play Bothe!! But TVS make me Borred!!! EOC has mutch mutch more Fun!!! And in the NAVY we hav mutch Coom!!! And not only Spam :grngrin: Oh I love to be a member of the Alliance NAVY!!!
Navy? I happen to have a Navy base kill on my ship. ;)
Maybe, but not from this game.
That is an unfair comment to TVS. I care little about the difference in graphics and layout. TVS has the extremely potential cruisers/carriers and a wonderful variety of ships. Including New Sector Alpha, the scrap generating sector, there is the secret Uncharted Sector. Also, I sure love the stories of the races and sectors from the handy manual.
Veterans in my eyes are those who understand the game and know how to play it. Whether you have played for 900 turns or 50 if you know the game to a degree you are a veteran in my eyes.
Vets include:
Bfalcon
Scalpel
Mr Bombastic (Come back soon crazy cat)
Grimlock
Waldo$an
Zrbyte (goddamn it ;o)
Fox13
SheikYrBouti
RusLab18
Octobriana
Boris (comms spam extraordinaire)
Mr Smith (comms spam 2)
1337 (old habits die hard don't they - passes tissue to him)
Oli7110
...
Oh my god there are loads I can think of and respect (basically you are mostly tops)
Although I miss Davis and others they were shed-hot
Zrbyte I am gonna blow your ship up [starts whistling]
Shed7
suicidesquad
06-02-2002, 14:04
I agree with Jumesyn. Although it's a smaller game, there seems to have been alot more time and effort put into TVS. And if you're bored while playing TVS then just go into Tara's bar, there's normally somone in there to chat to.
scorpionalph
06-02-2002, 15:57
Originally posted by jumesyn
That is an unfair comment to TVS. I care little about the difference in graphics and layout. TVS has the extremely potential cruisers/carriers and a wonderful variety of ships. Including New Sector Alpha, the scrap generating sector, there is the secret Uncharted Sector. Also, I sure love the stories of the races and sectors from the handy manual.
I was the first in the curent game who enterd the UCS!!! But I was a Fighter!!! It was Borred!!! I gon Rouge!!! But that was more Borring than all other!!! The I got Killd and was a Repair!!! I´m Jumping to NSA and Pick up some Scrab (9500) than I jump into Enemy controled Sector and go Sleep!!! BTW now I´m now scrab and don´t want to go Back!!!
scorpionalph
06-02-2002, 15:59
Originally posted by Fox13
Navy? I happen to have a Navy base kill on my ship. ;)
Navy??? That are the People that Kill you and your Faction! :D
And they all forget about me... :(
Well, I'm back... At least, I think I am. A whole lot has changed I see. See the index page for more information about my absence.
And yes, I am a veteran playing since the very first day. :)
Silent Frog
09-02-2002, 00:22
Because they are friends :)
My Vet List is short, because i speak just for the pilots who are really vet at my eyes and i can see him in action (fight with and versus them) :
Men :
Captcoyote
Satlek
Warden Dios
Women :
Bad Barbie
Octobriana
I judge the tactical sense and the leadership.
Always happy to fight with them :)
Sorry others pilots, later peraps ;)
captcoyote
15-02-2002, 06:09
Sorry Silent Frog. I do not consider myself a veteran (and I do not like veternarians). I have not said anything till now because I feel I have yet a lot to learn from some of the better players on this game. Thank you for the compliment, however. In learning from others I have learned a lot about myself as well. I did not know I was such a hot head until I started playing this game, but it is true. My apologies to everyone I have offended. I really do like this game, and I enjoy meeting people from other countries. The French in particular have been a great joy to me. However I have also met some great Irishmen (Kudos) and Englishmen (BFalcon, and Sheldon). It is the International nature of this game that has made this experience most fascinating.
captcoyote a hothead? Naawww...
:grntngue:
Don't worry about offending me... I know I've got a wicked tongue once a verbal battle has been joined.
I may not be a veteran. You might not consider yourself a veteran. But you're definitely a pilot I'd rather fly with than against.
Geez i am not on the list too ?I am gonna to cry :lolblue: :lolblue: :lolblue:
Yeah i am a lone wolf and i don't use to group , anyway , there is a lack of active player into the MCA (sometimes i wonder why we are steel alive with 2 factions against us..).
I am playing from the first game and every time i said something like "don't stay here , this place is gonna to be surrounded" , no one trust me ..And pilot some shiny new lvl 1 ship .i guess you need some charisma for get trusted :frownblu:
Sometimes , i would be soooo happy to be a FC just for getting the mapscan , ours is a little busy (i am asking for scans 15 turns ago and don't have them yet...)
Well , see you soon on the field of battle :bigeye:
(Sorry if you don't understand all the text but this forum is not in french ;)
The_Hawk
19-02-2002, 04:01
Again ....wrong time line. Sorry.
Kudo's nice to see you back.
Warspite
20-02-2002, 15:38
Whats this Galaxina business?
I was in round 1, but I don't remember that nick - who, what ,where?Who is TheHawk? Why is he/she mad?
Why is it SNOWING just when I am about to go for a well deserved smoke outside? :confused:
Answers on a postcard to
Mr &Mrs Warspite
HM Scrapyard,
UK. :bounce:
The_Hawk
20-02-2002, 16:20
Kudos,
Consider me put in my place.
A job well done.
I will crawl back under my rock now.
Fair well my friend.
*sigh* Alright, this post has gone too far. I've had enough all this flaming going on.
1. The Hawk: Grow up. We do not wish your pessimistic views on life to be inflicted upon us.
2. EVERYONE, grow up. Flaming someone on a post, even though what I said before may be seen as such, is a really lame way to do so.
3. I would ask that this thread be locked, or at the very least moved OT, as that's where it seemed to have gone.
Thankyou.
well, not really OT material this either, after all 8-9 pages of EoCo content here..
but it is big enough and ugly enough to be closed for good....
and see what you started Tagert? think before you post a new thread next time !!
i'm joking fs, it was a good thread imo, tho when I first saw it I never expected to get a mention myself....
=)
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