Random Faction???

[scorpionalph]

I want to Know what you all thinking abut that! Is it OK to join the fraction you want to fight togetzher with your frinds or must it be Random!
I know that was a Problem on G2 and all seen that it Kill the Fun when all the Elite Squads join one Faction! After that the Bloody angels go all a Random faction or quit the Game! But I think its no Problem when you want to fight together with your Friends and not against them! I see it at the end of this Game!

[kudos]

Originally posted by scorpionalph
But I think its no Problem when you want to fight together with your Friends and not against them! I see it at the end of this Game!
see? this is it exactly m8... stick to the rules and join randomly and the chances are very high you'll end up on the same side as your friends eventually before the end of the game...

and while you're fighting on another side against your friends? that can be lots of fun too, theres nothing like blowing your m8s lvl10 out of the sky, and slagging him face-to-face about it the next day...
+ destroying his base ofc =)

cheat by organising your friends into the same Faction and the same bad feeling will be around that was around during G2, and personally - I think the game will finally die because of it - too many normal fair players will leave in disgust at the few "elite" cheats...

and see, it may start as "Just a few m8's", but then the whole squad joins in, then the next friendly squad thinks "lets go into that Faction too - they're leet!", then more, untill you get the Navy of round 2 all over again :/

= GameDeath :(

[Scalpel]

I think playing in a new random faction every time gives you the chance to play with people you have grown to hate from earlier games and realise that they are great people.
Its not the colour that makes a faction but those that fly with you.!!
Ive been TTW, MAAS and Oman -my next faction will be League I hope :rolleyes:

Scalpel :)-~

[BFalcon]

Yeah, I got to meet the BA's and DS this round, for the first time... THAT wouldn't have worked if they'd fixed the factions again...

I was amazed at how well the Oman gelled right at the start of the round... we were all working together and the disagreements only really started when members of the other factions joined us... up until the 2nd HQ fell, we were a democracy... after the MAAS battles, we were getting too big for that to be effective, so we shifted to a chain of command... which proved to be the right thing to do at that time... (democracies don't work with large factions... not for decisive orders, anyhow).

BTW, thanks to Blade for questioning my more passive orders... ;)

I suspect that if the Navy reformed, all the other experienced pilots would just all join another faction or two and take them out... I'm usually a fair player, but I'll not stand by and let them do it again... and I think that a lot of other pilots feel the same...

Imagine the best of the g1 MCA, League and TTW together in one faction... :D

[Whitewolf]

I voted for random select :)
I know what you mean when you say "I want to fight with my friends,not against them".Me too!
But isn't it more fun making new friends and going off to whack your friends in the other factions?
Not only that,but(this has been said before) random select makes the game balanced,so there is no such thing as an overly powerful faction or a faction with too little players in.

[ThePlayer]

It is fun, but, I think, better fun to team up with your game friends against your RL friends, yes?

I see no problem with doing it from the start - the Alliance Navy in G2 - I got in there by fluke, was first player of that game - was rediculous, but that was taking it too far.

I just have to ask, does it actually say anywhere in the rules that you can't do it? If not, then I have no problem with others doing it. If so, then I have problems with it.

ThePlayer

[kudos]

from the EoCo Rules (http://gameserv.infogrames.fr:8080/eoc/rules.php)
Finally, I would like to add that other ways of abusing the game or site not directly covered by the rules, may also be reason enough for deleting of accounts. These rules are created to ensure that everyone can enjoy a fair game and for your protection, where the best player will come out on top, not the best cheater. If everyone sticks to the rules, everyone will benefit from it.
It's right there. In that final roundup to the rules. If anyone wants to nitpick it, let me just say that to successfully argue that to pick Factions being a cheat isn't covered there, you'd have to argue that doing so doesn't imbalance the game...
which btw, appears to be acknowledged by all..for example...
originally Posted by ThePlayer
the Alliance Navy in G2..... was rediculous, but that was taking it too far.

[Warspite]

When I get randomly selected for the next game, I better not find that my faction consists of me, Kudos and some noobie from Greenland, while everyone else is in the Alliance Navy..... :mad:

Mind you at least Comms. would be quicker to read... :wierdblu:

[Zrbyte]

Originally posted by Warspite
When I get randomly selected for the next game, I better not find that my faction consists of me, Kudos and some noobie from Greenland, while everyone else is in the Alliance Navy.....

Mind you at least Comms. would be quicker to read...

Hehe sounds like game 2, that was by far the biggest joke so far in EOC. It wasnt a game, it was an excuse for vets to gang up on n00bies.

Last time Active player numbers where halved (People getting bored, angry, etc), now we finally have respectable ammounts of players again, but I would bet that if anything simillar to g2 happens in g4 EOCO will be effectiveley OVER permanently.

[Warspite]

Dead right there !! the game is most interesting at the start when there are 6 factions - I think with a proper balance of players, this part of the game should last longer.

GAME 2 was PANTS!!!!

Lets not do that again...pleeezzzz... :eekblue:

[Whitewolf]

Game 2 was too short.
I don't want a repetition!

[kudos]

Originally posted by Warspite
When I get randomly selected for the next game, I better not find that my faction consists of me, Kudos and some noobie from Greenland, while everyone else is in the Alliance Navy..... :mad:

Mind you at least Comms. would be quicker to read... :wierdblu:
you haven't seen my comms yet m8 !! =)

and btw: I fly and fight as good as a whole squad!!

hmm, a whole squad of me... interesting thought, perhaps I should multi as the whole MAAS Faction and destroy you all!!
mwuhuahahahahaa!!

[Warspite]

I'm sorry Kudos, but I've not seen you in action - I just haven't seen you in fact!!. :confused:

And I fight and fly like some lunatic rhino with a glass-chin;I can charge with the best of them, but I get killed fighting when I should really be fleeing nonchalantly across the galaxy :rollani:

(Damn! Used a word TWICE in one day! Again!)

[kudos]

Originally posted by Warspite
I'm sorry Kudos, but I've not seen you in action - I just haven't seen you in fact!!. :confused:

aha, seen the Cisco Kid in Blazing Saddles?

I Pilot a ship like he draws his guns!

(Damn! Used a word TWICE in one day! Again!)
it's ok, we forgive you your limited vocalbulary =)

[Warspite]

Do you mean you fly under a pseudonym, a "nomme de guerre" as it were?

*Warspite scours ship lists for more Greek Words*

If that is the case, we may already have tussled (in a very masculine and macho way obviously) :coolred:

PS are there any EOC Online ships called KAKA? :grntngue:

[Arlikiel]

The reaso why I registered was to be able to do something on the net with Darkening (my boyfriend for those who don't know). I took the random faction, ended up in the League when he was in the Navy. I has lots of fun, but we soon discovered that it was nearly impossible NOT to talk about the game together (especially since the purpose of me playing was to do something together on the net) and when we talked about it, OF COURSE we ended up talking about "classified" stuff (we never gave the info to the other people in our faction or used any info for a tactical advantage, but still...).

So when the League got blown up (in game 2), I decided to try getting in the Navy to avoid this kind of situation, and also cause I thought it would be nice to play in the same faction as him. But, of course, lots of nitpickers thought it was soooooo dishonorable and that we didn't deserve to live :rollani:

At the begining of game 3, we both ended up in the MAAS by luck, then both got sent in the Oman when blowed up. For game 4, I guess that if we don't end up together, I'll "force it a little". I don't care which faction I'm in or with who else I end up, but I'm just having more fun if I'm with him, so I don't feel bad for "forcing it" at all.

Now you may all start calling me "dishonorable bitch"... :p

[kudos]

Originally posted by Arlikiel
"dishonorable bitch"
=)

[Boris]

I don't blame anyone for wanting to play with a mate. But it does get a bit tricky if a lot of ppl all have the same idea...

I often chat about the game(s) with my mucker The Donz - sometimes I even do my moves on his machine, even though we've been enemies all this game. But fortunately we're both mature human beings and neither of us ever repeats "unknowable" knowledge in-faction, or changes a decision just because the other has whooped with laughter at ones impending doom.

I guess that's one of the nice things about being a grown-up.

B.

[tekno monik]

I just like eating oranges in front of my workmate, Nick II >=0) (oman rep, high on my target list)

[The Boss]

I understand the reason behind random faction, but also feel there may be a need to change your faction to that of a connected person.
Origionally posted by Arlikiel
especially since the purpose of me playing was to do something together on the net
I can understand where you are coming from with this, and as you say two connected people in seperate factions, can be very tricky, we just have to, as Boris said be grown - up about it.

It shouldn't mean you have to be in the same faction, to have fun, my 15 yearold son and I both play on ocassion EoCo, and TVS.

Whilst it would be nice for us to be in the same Faction, we are not allway's (he has in more than one occassion shot me down). :grngrin:

The only occassion I found difficult was (in TVS) when, I was LC in one legion, and he was playing in another. Obviously he has access to my machine, whilst I trusted him, I felt awkward about the situation, (as we are both quiet well know in the tvs community as mother and son) knowing that others could have leveld accusations, however, nothing came of it and we had a very enjoyable game.:)

[Kristof]

Originally posted by Arlikiel
So when the League got blown up (in game 2), I decided to try getting in the Navy to avoid this kind of situation, and also cause I thought it would be nice to play in the same faction as him. But, of course, lots of nitpickers thought it was soooooo dishonorable and that we didn't deserve to live :rollani:

That's not the same as squads or groups of veterans who stay together because that creates an unfair advantage for the faction. What you did doesn't so I have nothing against that.

[2potscreama]

You mean like the Blood Angels? or Death Squad? Need I go on?

[kudos]

this must be the third or fourth on this subject, and yet again the majority say a big NO to picking your Faction.
Does this answer your question ScorpionAlph? and will this result effect your actions at the start of next round?

Arlikiel: I said before that your situation is one I would personally allow as the exception to the rule, but the point has already been made - that all it takes is a few ppl picking Faction and it soon becomes a flood of ppl moving over to the "leet" Faction...

= balance ruined, lots of bad feelings, over attachment to a Faction - "Faction Fanaticism" - which leads to multis/spies, spammed comms, and Justifies Hackers in their evil ruinous acts, and eventually, game death..

just to hammer it home, as well as the rules posted earlier, let me quote Wingee from this post (http://www.gamenation.com/forums/uk/showthread.php?s=&postid=7800#post7800)....
In essence if you log into the game and you are given a chosen team - then the system has assigned you that team - that is who you should start playing for. Sensibly though, I feel there isn't much point in going "Oh god I hate The Oman, I don't want to be Oman, I'll wait and be another team" - as each game is different, there will be some players you've played with before, and some players who you haven't - and it's a great way to meet new people. Statistically there is very little between each team, so it all depends on who else is on your side. I think it's very petty to try and wait to become a different faction. Chances are throughout the game you will be a number of different factions so I just feel it a bit petty. I'm pretty sure I've been on every faction at one point or another.

So my conclusion is that it IS an exploit of the game system, and it IS against the rules to do it. The game system assigns you a team - you should play on that team.

[Boris]

At the start of g2 I was assigned to the League - who had long been my most bitter foes. I checked the comms list & saw only dyed-in-the-wool leagueys who "hated" me. So, thinking the whole thing was a Wingee joke, I deleted my a/c & re-signed, eventually ending up back in my old faction the Oman, where I had a pretty ghastly game full of argument & acrimony.

At least 2 of the pilots I thought "hated" me were squad-mates in g3... Course, they may actually hate me a bit, but at least we can fight side-by-side! War is a great leveller...

B.

[Zrbyte]

I used to have a few mates who would do their moves on my Machine but now only one of my mates still plays (He still uses my machine to do moves, same way how I use his). Luckily this round we where in the same faction, but in G2 I was TTW and he was MCA, although we shared information we had an understanding that it would never reach our faction comm system and if one of us was to become FC we where to ignore any information gained Even if it ment leading our fleet into a definate ambush (But we preffered it if the other person kept the information to themselves if one of us was FC to avoid this type of situation).

[kudos]

*nails thread to the wall*

[Arlikiel]

Originally posted by Kristof


That's not the same as squads or groups of veterans who stay together because that creates an unfair advantage for the faction. What you did doesn't so I have nothing against that.

I completely agree with that. Entire squads who decide to go in the same faction is an entire different story. It does give an unfair advantage. I'm a Bloody angel but I didn't try to be in the Oman at the begining of the game. I just ended up there after the MAAS HQ was destroyed.

[BFalcon]

Originally posted by 2potscreama
You mean like the Blood Angels? or Death Squad? Need I go on?

There was only 6 BA's (I think) in the Oman when I was invited to join them this round... so I don't think anyone can accuse the original Oman of doing this for this game...

DS: I don't know... but we wound up with a load of them... but then since we had nearly half the game's pilots in our faction towards the end, that's hardly surprising... ;)

[The_Hawk]

The part about random is part of the game but with family members playing too that creates an unfair advantage as well if they are in other factions would it? Of course it would so what then?
Stop talking to your family?
Make them join the same faction as you?
Tell them not to play?
My family won't stop talking to each other we are too open for that so that leaves the other two options unless someone has another suggestion.....
And what do I do if the computer randomly selects Navy for me?
Break the rules and join a different faction so everyone will think I didn't break the rules? :confused:

[The Boss]

Origionally posted by The_Hawk
The part about random is part of the game but with family members playing too that creates an unfair advantage as well if they are in other factions would it? Of course it would so what then?

Why would it, if the players don't, break the out of games comm rule.
Origionally posted By The_Hawk
Stop talking to your family? Make them join the same faction as you? Tell them not to play?

Be responsible and follow the rules of the game, is the only action needed in this situation :)

[kudos]

Originally posted by The_Hawk
The part about random is part of the game but with family members playing too that creates an unfair advantage as well if they are in other factions would it? Of course it would so what then?
Stop talking to your family?
Make them join the same faction as you?
Tell them not to play?
My family won't stop talking to each other we are too open for that so that leaves the other two options unless someone has another suggestion.....
And what do I do if the computer randomly selects Navy for me?
Break the rules and join a different faction so everyone will think I didn't break the rules? :confused:
theres more to life and family than EoCo....

and to quote TheBoss who quoted Boris
be grown - up about it.

[The_Hawk]

Wise man once say:

Originally posted by kudos
theres more to life and family than EoCo....


Hey that's it !! Thanks, that solves the whole problem for me.

[Longbow]

Well how about we are give a choice eg boxes which say

Oman
Tway
Navy
RANDOM

ect

that will make every one happy! :D

[BFalcon]

I think the only way to get the majority of the players (I don't *think* anyone suggested this) would be to allow "Grouped" accounts... where the person requesting the group (when making their account) would receive up to 5 codes which their friends can then use when making their accounts to end up in the same faction.

All placements would still be random (forget these lamers who only want to play for one named faction - they're not worth pandering to), but friends could still play alongside each other for a while... solving the majority of the objections to random placements. It might also stop the grouping of entire squadrons in a faction, but would allow friends to still fight together...

I would also recommend making accounts last until the end of the round, even if deleted: Advantages to this are that people cannot then use that same e-mail address for another account - stopping this exploit where people keep deleting and joining to get the faction they want.

Also, if a player wishes to re-activate an account, they can do so (although once deleted, I'd be happy for them to be considered "destroyed" (upon confirming the deletion) for all respawning rules, to prevent a player from saving a level 10 for after their HQ is destroyed... a deleted player would instead in such an event be randomly placed in a faction as normal.) without having to "cheat" in order to rejoin the same faction...

[Boris]

I'm not sure if the rules for TVS & EoC are the same, & am much too lazy to check. But TVS allows free conversation, so long as it does not influence the game.

I find this a delightful & easily-applied solution. One can suspend ones knowledge alongside ones disbelief - just put your head inside Badroc the Bad (or whoever) & keep it there while you make your decisions. If you can't do that, why are you playing this game?

It is astonishing how so many players take pleasure in breaking the information boundaries. Like dynamiting a trout-pool, it seems to me...

B.

[BFalcon]

I agree Boris... but people *will* use it to cheat... but at least it would level the playing field a bit... right now, if people know each other IRL, they have the most advantage.

BTW with regards players bringing in information once they were destroyed, I regard that as being within the rules... it is not unreasonable to assume that a pilot would be debriefed by his new faction upon arrival... it isn't like it would happen too often, so...

However, I cannot see how any pilot with a working map could have joined the MCA without deleting his account intentionally - if he was TTW, his map would have been white... as would any of the other HQ-less factions... the only place that a working map would be in existance would be the Oman.

[Longbow]

Yeh you are right peeps will use it too cheat but its just the same as a multi or two freinds talking so i cant see it making that great a difference and besides people can use this the bulliten board any how to do the same thing it will just make insulting the enimey more personal :dark: Mwha ha haaa

Longbow

-)>

[BFalcon]

Why do you think I like being an FC? :D

Nobody can taunt like one FC taking the p*** out of another, after their failed attack. ;)

I, for example, made up a beauty of a mail for the MCA, but never got a chance to send it... :p

[the donz]

so there you are BFalon is the bigest spamer on the BB

hes got it so bad he needs the fc spaming :grngrin:

[kudos]

sooo.... an overwhelming majority of Players agree with the Random Selection... we've also been reminded that choosing your Faction against what the system originally assigns you is Cheating.

I hope no one does it this round ! we will be watching you !

[Torgarth]

You know, it would be more fun to play with friends, but I dont really care. Im am not about to start fighting the destiny here. Again I start as a LEAGUE... this time I plan to finnish as one too ;)

[Taneli]

Torgarth, do not be afreid, we try to make sure at you are finished with the rest of the League :wierdblu:

[ShelShaboo]

i hope you all know we will kill you all

[2potscreama]

thats not very nice

[ShelShaboo]

neither are we;)

[2potscreama]

who's we? you mean death squad? ha, dont make me laugh.

[ShelShaboo]

yeah, whos afraid of the squad that last game was:

most deadly
most effecient
most influential


eh?

[kudos]

Originally posted by ShelShaboo
yeah, whos afraid of the squad that last game was:

most deadly
most effecient
most influential


eh?

death squad - been around from G1 and all that... but in all that time, you guys have never actually been associated with the winning Faction - so Fear - nah keep it m8...

btw: I dare say a lot of ppl would disagree with you on those 3 "most's" you posted...

[2potscreama]

lol, there's a phrase springs to mind, involving the words "bonfire" and "pee'd on"

i wont argue that Death Squad has a probably well deserved and respected reputation.

but to me, you're just a bunch of glory grabbing monkeys in jump suits who spend WAY too much time playing this game....

and like Kudos said, there's people will disagree with you on those 3 "most" points.

2POT SCREAMA

MOST likely to get flamed by Blade in the comms

MOST likely to be the last to know anything interesting

MOST likely never to power down or run away, ever

so, ph33r my l33t uselessness!

[ShelShaboo]

except last game kudos, where not only were we assosciated, but we also were fairly vital to the process of winning.also people can ATTEMPT to dispute those things, but you can make lists of what each squad did last game, and im fairly certain the DS will come out with the most impressive list.

[BFalcon]

However, you still only joined the Oman half way through... while the BA's had worked hard all the way through in the Oman... and I'm sure the S&D were working just as hard in the MCA...

Most notable achievements this round:

Throwing a fit because we had to pull out of the Navy assault to deal with the rogues... which your FC didn't believe actually existed... :D

(Boy, was HE ever wrong...)

and sitting in Belial while everyone defending in Eureka was laughing at them...

:devil:

Seriously though guys... don't belittle the other squads, they work just as hard as the next guys... and I still find it amazing that you managed to wind up in the same faction this time...

[ShelShaboo]

never belittled anyone, stating what can only be seen as facts.

as for the same squad thing?we didnt, many did, but thats nothing to do with me. I was Maas when i started in turn 1 this game, no picking.

as for that BF, i wouldnt know, ive been in follow orders blindly mode this game, due to the work that piled up helping your faction win last game.

Ah well, the scarifices we make for those less talented and able than ourselves...

[BFalcon]

Fair enough...

Sorry though, but that FC message had me LOL when the Rogue squad went after Hardeyes and then the League HQ...

Your FC had claimed that we'd made up the story about having to defend against the Rogues so we could position our fleet for an assault on the League...

Fact was, that was one tough squad they had there.

[ShelShaboo]

ill take your word for it;)i wouldnt know

good game i guess, so wonderful blunders, some terrible mistakes and some downright awful decisions, but a good game non the less.

[kudos]

Originally posted by ShelShaboo
good game i guess, so wonderful blunders, some terrible mistakes and some downright awful decisions, but a good game non the less.

would you ever stop talking about the DS?

heheheh =)

[ShelShaboo]

why would i do that when it seems to get up everyones nose?

why do you think ShelShaboo is here? if it wasnt for me you people would think that your contributions to this game actually MATTERED :rollani:

[Cccellccpro]

I thinks it better that you join random factions.. nothings more fun than blasting the **** out of your friends!



Cccellccpro
Bloody Angel..kinda

[kudos]

Originally posted by Cccellccpro
I thinks it better that you join random factions.. nothings more fun than blasting the **** out of your friends!


Cccellccpro
Bloody Angel..kinda
hehehe =)

nicely put 'cpro !

tho.. blasting the ** off of Blade** was a helluva lotta fun this round too !

and I don't know the guy at all....

[ShelShaboo]

shooting...i remember that...maybe i will fly as a fighter next game...

[2potscreama]

Originally posted by kudos

tho.. blasting the ** off of Blade** was a helluva lotta fun this round too !
and I don't know the guy at all....

I'm getting that warm fuzzy glow again.

You know, the one where it turns out that people actually agree with you.

I dont know him either, outside of this game. But shooting him is the highlight of any game, as far as I'm concerned.

Unless I'm in the same faction, in which case using logically contructed arguements and sarcastic comments annoys him just as much.

[ShelShaboo]

you used logic?

[2potscreama]

Oh yes. Most of it escapes Blade, unfortunatly. Pretty much in the same way sarcasm and irony do.

[ShelShaboo]

ah well, as long as you appreciated it.

[captcoyote]

I never really talked about this before because, quite frankly, it was not something that I am proud of but in game three blade and I had a "War of Words." He challenged me to this game as another battle which would coincide with the battle Tekno Monik had with (can't remember just now). The reason I am not proud of it is because it got down to pretty dirty levels at times, and I am glad that everyone has pretty much forgotten about it because I felt dirty afterwards. In the end blade conceded defeat and allowed me the win. For which I was grateful, because it was like arguing with someone who is blind, deaf, and dumb. After a while it became clear that blade lives within his own reality, which is completely out of touch with the rest of the world (even in a cyber world). :bigeye:

[2potscreama]

Anyone else want to step forward and shatter Shel's deluded view of Blade?