View Full Version : What the hell is haperning to politics
Gandalf_uk
03-05-2002, 13:37
British National Party (BNP Far rightparty) has won 2 seates in local elections in Briton and Le Pen got has got through to the second round of French Elections (also Far right) Has everyone gone insane pls tell me Why!!!!!!
Warspite
03-05-2002, 15:22
Dont worry about it kid - the fascists weren't good enough for us in 1945, and they're not good enough for us now either:coolred:
Gandalf_uk
03-05-2002, 15:54
its just the fact ppl acturly Voted for them DAM IDOITS
Unfortunatly some people take hold of stupid misconceptions and believe it to be truth.
In some part's of the country like Burnley they believe that asian's are having their homes improved before white's which leads to resentment, but if these people actually looked into the matter they would see that the area where most Asian's are living had been at the time the most rundown before the council's had invested the money into said area.
Nick Shub
03-05-2002, 21:47
Originally posted by Gandalf
its just the fact ppl acturly Voted for them DAM IDOITS
Opportunism is the name of the game, my friend. If you promise to voters what they want and they are disappointed to alternatives, then they'd vote for devil himself.
BTW, there's something terribly wrong with your sig:
Spy's lead to multi's
Multi's lead to hackers
Hackers lead to suffering
Hacker == Good
Cracker == Evil
Hacker != Cracker
tenebra_uk
04-05-2002, 10:05
I know what you're talking about :rollani: I guess you guys know who's the prime minister in Italy...it makes me shiver :sour: What drove me bananas the other day was seeing the bloke on tv all nice and friendly with Blair - was that a joke 'cause it wasn't funny :sour:
Well...Edmund Steuber as the new German Chancelor wouldn´t be that great too...:eek: :devil:
Gandalf_uk
06-05-2002, 02:14
Well atleast the French should some sens and didn't vote in Le Pen Thank you even if you did have to vote in the fraudster.
And Nick
I know about the diffrence between a hacker and cracker but generaly ppl call crackers hakers and this refers to what happend at the end of game one begging of game 2 in Edge Of Chaos Online.
Hacker = a computer expert who can manipulate a computer to do what they whant it to do
Cracker = someone who gains access to computers without autorisation
Script Kiddy = someone who DL's cracker softwear and usese it to cause dammage to ppl's comps and don't know what the hell there doing.
Nick Shub
06-05-2002, 02:38
Originally posted by Gandalf
And Nick
I know about the diffrence between a hacker and cracker but generaly ppl call crackers hakers and this refers to what happend at the end of game one begging of game 2 in Edge Of Chaos Online.
Hacker = a computer expert who can manipulate a computer to do what they whant it to do
Cracker = someone who gains access to computers without autorisation
Script Kiddy = someone who DL's cracker softwear and usese it to cause dammage to ppl's comps and don't know what the hell there doing.
Hackers never ever manipulate servers/software to cause mischief. Hackers have high morals and ethics. Don't use a word hacker to implicate otherwise.
From Jargon File Resources:
hacker n.
[originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe]
1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary.
2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming.
3. A person capable of appreciating hack value.
4. A person who is good at programming quickly.
5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it; as in `a Unix hacker'. (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.)
6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example.
7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations.
8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence `password hacker', `network hacker'. The correct term for this sense is cracker.
cracker n.
One who breaks security on a system. Coined ca. 1985 by hackers in defense against journalistic misuse of hacker (q.v., sense 8). An earlier attempt to establish `worm' in this sense around 1981-82 on Usenet was largely a failure.
script kiddies pl.n.
1. [very common] The lowest form of cracker; script kiddies do mischief with scripts and programs written by others, often without understanding the exploit they are using. Used of people with limited technical expertise using easy-to-operate, pre-configured, and/or automated tools to conduct disruptive activities against networked systems. Since most of these tools are fairly well-known by the security community, the adverse impact of such actions is usually minimal.
2. People who cannot program, but who create tacky HTML pages by copying JavaScript routines from other tacky HTML pages. More generally, a script kiddie writes (or more likely cuts and pastes) code without either having or desiring to have a mental model of what the code does; someone who thinks of code as magical incantations and asks only "what do I need to type to make this happen?"
Gandalf_uk
06-05-2002, 02:43
i know when i say manipulate i meen make the computer do what they whant like programing running softwear never damageing anything or removeing and data sorry if you missunderstud me
Nick Shub
06-05-2002, 02:49
Fair enough. :tup:
But I still don't think hackers lead to suffering. Unless you are referring to coders employed by M$. :grntngue:
Maybe they should be referred as script kiddies? :lolblue:
Gandalf_uk
06-05-2002, 02:55
i only used haker as that was the language that was used by most ppl on the Bord im changeing it now
Nick Shub
06-05-2002, 03:01
Originally posted by Gandalf
__________________
Gandalf
Bloody Angels - It is not our blood we wear
*cough,cough [put's on Yoda voice] *
Spy's lead to multi's
Multi's lead to Crackers
Crackers lead to suffering
Now this is a sig I like _very_ much. :bounce::bounce::bounce:
Thanks m8, no hard feelings? ;)
stavros89
09-05-2002, 15:33
It's not that people WANT the BNP to get any seats... its just that they vote for them in protest of the tories and labour parties. I dont vote for that very reason. nothing EITHER the main 2 parties do concerns me in any fashion. only tax rate. I work, am 18-25, single and living at home. i dont drive. that leaves EVERYTHING but the NHS out of my interest. I've not been hospital since i was 10 so its not of major concern for me in any respect.:eekblue:
Warspite
09-05-2002, 16:52
...so when the BNP win a general election because you cant be bothered to get off your ****, that will be OK then?
*Democracy is something people fought and died for - we do not have the right to give it up just because we dont like the political parties we have. If you don't like it change it - its still a free country!*
stavros89
09-05-2002, 19:58
no, however there is no one or no political party i would wish to vote for. i agree, i have no room to critisize if i wont vote. alas they are all as bad as each other and i dont agree with any party enough to vote for them. they all have a few good points, they have alot of bad points. i simply dont agree with the majority of it. as a result will not vote
tenebra_uk
10-05-2002, 09:34
Careful...we have a xenophobe party leading the country thanks to that sort of attitude :wierdblu:
is it not then our job, each of us, to research all the parties and actively vote for the one whose manifesto is closest to our own ideal? It would be a lucky person who found a party whose manifesto was identical to their own
Our job, as voters, IMHO, is to find the closest match, not throw our toys out of the pram because none of the available parties are a perfect fit for us....
Warspite
10-05-2002, 11:30
Damn right!!!
Democracy only works when people get involved - if you dont vote, it doesn't work.
if you dont like the mainstream parties, what is to stop you joining a local pressure group, or even starting your own party, like the greens did?
Most of humanity lives in atrocious conditions, and would probably give their right arms for just HALF the freedom we have - we should try to be worthy of our own heritage.
* That was a political broadcast on the behalf of the Dont Scrap Old Battleships Party*
tenebra_uk
10-05-2002, 11:37
:tup: Old "Responsibility" business ;)
Originally posted by Warspite
* That was a political broadcast on the behalf of the Dont Scrap Old Battleships Party*
:lolblue:
Originally posted by alexp
is it not then our job, each of us, to research all the parties and actively vote for the one whose manifesto is closest to our own ideal? It would be a lucky person who found a party whose manifesto was identical to their own
Our job, as voters, IMHO, is to find the closest match, not throw our toys out of the pram because none of the available parties are a perfect fit for us.... Well put. There can't be many people who find one party's manifesto meets every one of their personal wishes. You vote for the one which suits you best (or, thanks to not having proportional representation, vote to exclude the one you don't want).
Nevertheless it's still a bit annoying at times when a party claims to have to full backing of the people for a specific policy, when it's only one of an entire manifesto. I can remember how some Tory MP said, at the time of the Poll Tax, "We have the mandate of the people!" Well, yes, (43% of the vote), but it was rather an insult to the intelligence to suggest that this meant they all supported the Poll Tax – something underlined by the fact that it was scrapped after a few years.
BTW, talking of insults to the intelligence, have you noticed that it's a sign of how rattled politicians are when they say (of a new ploy by the opposition party) "The voters aren't fools – they won't fall for that!" Like hell! What they mean is "Damn! Why didn't we think of that?"
Warspite
10-05-2002, 17:02
I never paid the Poll Tax - I'm still a fugitive from Swansea magistrates court!! Tell no-one!!:devil:
Gandalf_uk
10-05-2002, 17:34
I know a lot of people said they did it as a protest vote but if you are putting in a protest vote TRY Lib Dem there not Racist like the BNP or just spoil your ballot paper. I think the Ozies have it right they have none of the above option when voteing and voteing is compulsary.
stavros89
12-05-2002, 19:50
/me picks his toys back up and puts them back in the pram.
i'm not asking for any party to perfectly suit me. that would be an almost impossible idea. the only problem with them is they say one thing to get into office IE labour, abolishing cig sponcership in sport... yea ! in 2010 ! hardly worth the time. if i agree'd with ANY part on most of their ideals then i wouldnt hesitate in voting. i dont tho. if you want me to be honest. i dont know anyone in my local area save about a dozen people who vote. 2 of them are my parents and blindly vote for the same party poll after poll after poll.
now dont get me wrong. i whole heartidly agree i should vote, i just wont because i would just void my slip because of my beliefs stated above. IF there was a section saying none of the above then hell yea i'd vote. i did think about voting for a local couple (independants (sp?)) but didnt because it was too localised if you catch my meaning. they focused on 1 issue locally which was importand and i did agree with, just nothing else.
vBulletin® v3.6.9, Copyright ©2000-2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.