Need a little help!!!!

[Gandalf_uk]

Under the Data protection in the UK is it possobul to get a copy of a CCTV tape (that you are on, from a shop or anything). Does anybody know the line from the ACT as i need it to prove somone Wrong PLS Help!!

[Warspite]

Sorry dude - your recorded image does not count as the kind of electronic data you have the right to ask for. You have the right to request for copies of any information held about you in electronic form. A Video tape does not count. :(

[Minos]

As Warspite says, this is nothing to with the Data Protection Act, which is about personal information that isn't evident just by looking at someone's image.

In fact, there is very little a person can do (legally, that is) to stop their photograph being taken or used (it makes no difference if they're still photographs or CCTV frames). Unless a photographer has actually illegally entered their property to take the photo no crime has been committed.

This may seem odd, even wrong, at first, but stop and think about it for a moment. I used to take a lot of landscapes and photos in the town I live. I always tried to avoid having people in the shot, but this wasn't always possible. In a town particularly, people will be in public places, in their gardens or even in their houses yet still visible in a photograph I took. Can you imagine the situation if anyone affected in this way had the right to copies of my photos, or the right to stop me printing them – or even taking them in the first place? It would make taking photos in public places almost impossible. I don't know if you have a camera, but if you have, consider the number of photos you've taken – particularly things like holiday snaps – that include people whose permission you didn't seek, indeed who you don't even know.

To get more back to what you were talking about, it's even more reasonable if someone has gone into another person's property (for example a shop). A shop owner is quite entitled to photograph anyone on his premises and is under no obligation to tell anyone he has done so, never mind provide them with the images.

The only exception I can think of to this is that if a shoplifting case came to court (and camera footage was being used as evidence) then I imagine the defendant would be entitled to see the evidence that was being used against him, as in any other legal case, but that would be about the limit of it. This of course has nothing to do with the Data Protection Act.

[tenebra_uk]

Originally posted by Minos The only exception I can think of to this is that if a shoplifting case came to court (and camera footage was being used as evidence) then I imagine the defendant would be entitled to see the evidence that was being used against him, as in any other legal case, but that would be about the limit of it. [/B]

On the other side, I was the victim (mugged at Hanger Lane tube station in London), the tape was there but I never had a chance to view it :rollani: No need to say the guy was never caught :rollani: But there you go, if you are being accused you probably have the right to access the tape

[tenebra_uk]

Anyway, I should have the most up-to-date copy of the full Act, you can contact me privately if you want it or if you need tips to get to the right people to obtain it :)

[2potscreama]

Originally posted by tenebra


On the other side, I was the victim (mugged at Hanger Lane tube station in London), the tape was there but I never had a chance to view it :rollani: No need to say the guy was never caught :rollani: But there you go, if you are being accused you probably have the right to access the tape

You wouldnt. Me and some mates got into a scrap one night in our town centre. We walked away from it, but a few minutes later I got separated from my mates and beaten up by 3 guys.

There's cameras all the way down the street that it happened, but although the police got footage of the attack, they said it was too poor quality (makes you wonder why them have them) and I didnt actually get to see the footage.

[tenebra_uk]

Geez! :eekblue: Sorry to hear that :frownblu: Hope it wasn't too bad :blush:

[pandion]

3 against 1 is alway's bad!


Unless their the size of munchkins

[suicidesquad]

Ah, fights. Y'know, some people seem to think that it would be "cool" to be the biggest in a group of friends...the "hardest" of the bunch....believe me, it's not...the number of times I've been in trouble with the police for fighting is un-believable, simply because I got mixed up with the wrong people, people who start fights then run behind their big "mates". Being that person, I've been in a great number of fights...those same "mates" of mine were proud, because I never lost...I was never proud of it, and I'm glad I told them to all f*** off, every single one of them is now in jail for murder.

[2potscreama]

Suicide, I sympathise.

I'm in a very similar situation.

While I'm the guy everyone always assumes is "the hard man" of the group, the truth is I'm simply the only one in our group who will stand and fight if things kick off.

The rest of my mates usually just head for the nearest pub and duck behind the bouncers.

I've been in trouble with the police for fighting (they actually caught me with my hands wrapped around a guys throat outside the local nightclub) but never seriously in trouble.

Tenny - no worries. I ended up in hospital with badly swollen and split knuckles, a sprained ankle and a mild concussion where one of them took a penalty kick at my head. They smashed up my mobile phone and took my wallet (although the guy didnt manage to keep it for long).

My mates joke that I'm a fight magnet. Unfortunatly, it's sometimes true.

[tenebra_uk]

Originally posted by 2potscreama
Tenny - no worries. I ended up in hospital with badly swollen and split knuckles, a sprained ankle and a mild concussion where one of them took a penalty kick at my head.

Well, a few cracked ribs, cracked right knee, broken toes, several black eyes :rollani: Hey, but that was all for proper martial art fighting :grntngue: Can't you find a safer hobby? :wierdblu:

[Understudy]

Originally posted by tenebra
Well, a few cracked ribs, cracked right knee, broken toes, several black eyes :rollani: Hey, but that was all for proper martial art fighting :grntngue: Can't you find a safer hobby? :wierdblu: Long distance running! ;) :grngrin:

[tenebra_uk]

Originally posted by Understudy
Long distance running! ;) :grngrin:

15-a day smoker :devil: I doubt I would get that far :grngrin: But I can still bounce around for a few hours without turning blue :bounce:

[Gandalf_uk]

Originally posted by Warspite
You have the right to request for copies of any information held about you in electronic form. A Video tape does not count. :(

that was in the 1984 addition but since then there have be amedments (1998) to the act i know that it now covers CCTV tape and even Paper files in an offices as i have to study it as part of my computing course but looking through it gives me a headache but will now definatly ask my computing tutor for help. Thx anyway

[tenebra_uk]

You've spoiled everything, Gandalf :cry: We had managed to hijack your thread after only 6 posts, which I suppose was our record :cry: Now we're back to topic :cry:

[Warspite]

Tenny, call me weird, but what exactly do you do that entails bouncing around for a few hours? And why would you turn blue if this bouncing period was extended?

Never been in a fight, but I did once throw a man out of his own house for punching his wife( he punched her - I didn't) :bounce:

[tenebra_uk]

Originally posted by Warspite
Tenny, call me weird, but what exactly do you do that entails bouncing around for a few hours? And why would you turn blue if this bouncing period was extended?

How can I answer to his one without digging my own grave? :grngrin:

Never been in a fight, but I did once throw a man out of his own house for punching his wife( he punched her - I didn't) :bounce:

:tup: :tup: You're clearly an Old Ship :grngrin:

[Warspite]

I'm an old.??? .ooohh.. "ship"..ahem :blush:

Thats OK then.


I'm an old smoker too, old Balkan habit etc., and I keep thinking I should do some exercise. There is a really nice long river bank path at the end of my street, but I just cant bring myself to run up and down it with all the other freaks. Anyway, I'd keep stopping for a fag-break... :confblue:

[tenebra_uk]

Warspite, if you run downstairs to smoke your fag that's already exercise! :lolblue:

Exercise and bad habits are a wierd combination :grngrin: I'm not over-active now but I used to train every day 4 hours a day :rollani: obviously I would run outside the gym for a couple of fags :blush:

[tenebra_uk]

Originally posted by Warspite
Tenny, call me weird, but what exactly do you do that entails bouncing around for a few hours?

Ok, I'll try...I think I'm used to get slaughtered anyway :rollani: I spend quite some time playing with animals...I mean, real animals with fur or feathers :confblue: but not fur and feathers together :confblue: either or :confblue: and I also have two little nieces :confblue: So we all bounce together, nieces, dogs, cats and parrot :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Warspite]

I really like swimming, but then my Rizlas go all mushy. :bigeye:

Laters...going for a walk home.

*Well I say "walk", but I mean " saunter" :D*

[Minos]

Originally posted by Warspite
*Well I say "walk", but I mean " saunter" :D* Reminds me of the bit in Terry Pratchett's Sourcery where the notoriously unfit wizards of Unseen University are anticipating a celebratory dinner:

Other wizards dozed in their studies, or took a gentle stroll around the gardens in order to work up an appetite for the evening's feast; about a dozen steps was usually considered quite sufficient....ah, life in acedemia... :rollani:

[Warspite]

"life in academia"

You said it dude..it really is unrelentingly brutal working in this University, I can tell you. I have to work 35 hours a week, have 34 days holiday, and eat subsidised dinners - it really is unbearable. :devil:

[Gandalf_uk]

Look only took one more post to highjack this thred again LOL

[Warspite]

It's not me!!

Its Tenny - she just can't help deviating... :devil: