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There seems to be alot of controversy about wether or not having no in-game transformations is a step forward or back, so lets vote to see what you all think, and post reasons why.
I am saying yes because often I would want to be, say... 3rd form Frieza, because he looks best and has the best Dragon Rush, but I would accidentally over transform or something and it would be annoying.
Edit: To make it easier to decide, here is a list of Pro's and Cons with transformations:
Pro's:
• You can play the whole match with a certain character, E.g. SS4 Gogeta
• You can't over-transform. E.g Trying to stay as just 3rd form Frieza but accidentally going over that (as before mentioned)
• Saves time, no powering up to transform (you don't get blasted by the AI while gathering energy)
• More variation with characters moves (It'd be boring to have different forms of the same character have just the same old moves. Maybe some moves the same, like trademark moves.)
• Bigger choice of characters (Kinda)
Cons:
• In Atari tourneys people would dominate using higher level characters from the start e.g. SS4 Gogeta, SS4 Goku etc...
• You can't transform if you're getting thrashed (ruins the idea of having a comeback or power struggle like on the series, transforming and beating the enemy)
• All characters must be of similar strength to keep it a fair match, so technically Raditz could beat Buu or something similarly stupid.
That's all for now, if I think of anymore I will add them. Go ahead and Vote/Comment!
SSJ Flipip
11-10-2005, 16:25
So you voted yes? weirdblue
No. When was the last time you got to fight with SSJ4 Gogeta for a whole match?
I voted "yes, not having in game transformations is better" not "yes, its better with transformations." Sorry, I know my post is kinda confusing, I'll edit it to make it understandable :).
i havnt voted but i think its better havin no in game trans you have ssj4 goku for a whole battle and ssj4 gogeta :P so its good realy and i saves u a lot of space with the capsules
NO because it will ruin the idea of a power struggle and a comeback :mad:
transformations isn't a very good game (infact no DBZ GBA games r good (apart from Advanced Adventure))
weirdblue were on about in game trans on BT :laugh:
I knew that...
Oh well look on the bright side
Unlimited SSJ4!
Unlimited Fusions!
i think that will ruin the game :noooo: but we all have our opinions :)
no dont you just hate kt when your about to kill off an enemy with ssj and you go back to normal mode and they beat you until it says KO
no not really i think it would be boring staying in the same form for a fight it would just be an improved final bout
SSJ Flipip
11-10-2005, 20:18
Easy way around that, see, Start > Character Selection :eek2:
GASP, I never knew that
easier way, dont bother playing it if you dont like the fact it has no in-game TS's
Don't let this turn into another Jerry Springer thread weirdblue. More people Vote and stop arguing about transforming. There's lots of threads on that subject! I want more comments about the votes people make.
Steven Perry
11-10-2005, 20:40
Transformations are part of the DragonBall Z formula!!!!!!! Think... What will it be like without them? The thrill of powering up is gone... I usually exclaim: "Here's my true power, Cell!" How will we cancel out the energy waves (You know what I mean, when you transform as an energy wave comes toward you)? :mad:
i feel for you brother frownblue
Steven Perry
11-10-2005, 20:44
Well, at least we will have a reason to play Budoaki 3. Anyway, the real- time damage will compensate. I hope.
so do i brother i still feel for ya dawg :laugh: :noooo: lets just pray that there is a transformations cheat (i'm in a world of my own) :laugh:
Yeah, that looks to be the 2nd best feature. Well I dunno.. you can't rate what one is best because they're all good, but being used together makes them so much better. It wouldn't be the same if you could fly anywhere but not destroy the scenery, or vice versa.
so do i brother i still feel for ya dawg :laugh: :noooo: lets just pray that there is a transformations cheat (i'm in a world of my own) :laugh:
not a cheat more like a glitch
smashing your m8 through a wall sounds like fun :p
smashing your m8 through a wall sounds like fun :p
eekblue: You absolute psycho!
Steven Perry
11-10-2005, 20:56
smashing your m8 through a wall sounds like fun :p
Yeah, no more stupid cut- scenes, that do the same thing. mdr1
w00t hello frederick AAAAAAAAAAAAAH i went through the wall
:laugh: lol i will relish the fact that i will take chotzu with my oozaru and pummel him constantly through buildings :laugh: he will pay madred:
S.S.4 Vegeta
12-10-2005, 14:53
no in game transformations will completely ruin the game, Starting transed and the new control system is a completely bad idea, i could understand a slight change in conrtols but they been completely changed madred: that may be possible to live with and ive started to accept it but with no ingame transes makes the game rubbish, it ruins the concept of budokai,its liek final bout all over madred: seriously this game will proberly floop because of it, if there is another budokai like 5 next year i hope they improve it and bring back in game transes, having to earn ure transes and being able to knock ure opponent out of them is what the game is all about, like say someone uses yamcha they wouldnt stand a chance against any one except hercule and pan and vedel, they wouldnt touch any one else like mystic gohan of ssj4+ transsed such as goku and vegeta and gogeta, the in game transes is what made it great!!!!!!!!
ss_delon
12-10-2005, 15:08
i say yes to in game tranformations,all those fools who is worried about getting nocked out of forms are just people who are **** at the game,true fans want challenges in a game.for me personaly i want to beable to go up a level in a match in stead of waiting till the fight is over before u can pick a differant form.
no in game transformations will completely ruin the game, Starting transed and the new control system is a completely bad idea, i could understand a slight change in conrtols but they been completely changed madred: that may be possible to live with and ive started to accept it but with no ingame transes makes the game rubbish, it ruins the concept of budokai,its liek final bout all over madred: seriously this game will proberly floop because of it, if there is another budokai like 5 next year i hope they improve it and bring back in game transes, having to earn ure transes and being able to knock ure opponent out of them is what the game is all about, like say someone uses yamcha they wouldnt stand a chance against any one except hercule and pan and vedel, they wouldnt touch any one else like mystic gohan of ssj4+ transsed such as goku and vegeta and gogeta, the in game transes is what made it great!!!!!!!!
exactly madred: i think there should be transformations it ruins the whole point of dbz! if u cant transform there is no power struggles or pride :mad:
ssj-4-keith
12-10-2005, 16:49
u jokers bout sayin the game is better with out tranformations i dont think some how a master like me never gets knocked out of my super sayian form im the best at dragonball z budokai 3 and soon 2 be the best at this 1 aswell
u jokers bout sayin the game is better with out tranformations i dont think some how a master like me never gets knocked out of my super sayian form im the best at dragonball z budokai 3 and soon 2 be the best at this 1 aswell
*sigh* n00bs these days i wish there was in game trans frownblue but still the game will rock!!
S.S.4 Vegeta
12-10-2005, 17:30
u jokers bout sayin the game is better with out tranformations i dont think some how a master like me never gets knocked out of my super sayian form im the best at dragonball z budokai 3 and soon 2 be the best at this 1 aswell
XD
i bet i could let u go to ure highest trans in budokai 1 2 or 3 and knock u out of it in 30 seconds and kill you in 60 seconds, i really wish they would add an online feature so true masters could teach n00bs a lesson *sigh* ow well till then we will just have to listen to their nonsence, i just really hope that lack of transes and new controls dont ruin the game because it looks and plays so good
Steven Perry
12-10-2005, 19:30
if u cant transform there is no power struggles or pride :mad:
Exactly, You're 100% correct! Transformations play a vital role in the game's fighting engine... Maybe the developers know that this, but have withdrawn it. Why? They're not trying to spoil us. If they added everything, what would be left for Budokai 5? :mefiant: I never even thought for an instant that there might not be transformations. Like some guy said: It would be like playing Final Bout all over again. :noooo:
How about when enemies such as Frieza transform, and break out of that cool- looking shell? That is pure brilliance!
ss_delon
12-10-2005, 20:29
hello ssj4 ur rite no in game tranformation is goin to completely ruin the budokai series. i dont see the point in tranformation bein seperate, because if you have in game tranformation i would leave more room for improvement, plus tranformation is kool anyways.
ssj-4-keith
12-10-2005, 20:40
so u fink u can beat me on 1 2 3 ok but givin me 30secs well thats gud cos it will only take me 5secs 2 beat u no problem i will have 2 play 2 prove my self wont i
Don't make me get Jerry Springer on here weirdblue. This isn't a topic for arguing. Anyways, you can't play to prove yourself because there is no online ability in any Budokai games so far. Maybe it'll be in the next one though, in which case you'll have forgotten by that time and won't even remember to look each other up to battle.
SSJ Flipip
12-10-2005, 20:48
How about when enemies such as Frieza transform, and break out of that cool- looking shell? That is pure brilliance!
Am I the only one who thought that was pointless? He never did it in the Anime. Maybe they could have done that with Buu or something?
ss_delon
12-10-2005, 20:48
hello ssj4 ky ur rite no in game tranformation is goin to completely ruin the budokai series. i dont see the point in tranformation bein seperate, because if you have in game tranformation i would leave more room for improvement, plus tranformation is kool anyways.
SSJ Flipip
12-10-2005, 20:51
Why did you post the same thing again? weirdblue
ElementalDragon
12-10-2005, 21:37
Iam not sure it might be Good OR Bad
There seems to be alot of controversy about wether or not having no in-game transformations is a step forward or back, so lets vote to see what you all think, and post reasons why.
I am saying yes because often I would want to be, say... 3rd form Frieza, because he looks best and has the best Dragon Rush, but I would accidentally over transform or something and it would be annoying.
Edit: To make it easier to decide, here is a list of Pro's and Cons with transformations:
Pro's:
• You can play the whole match with a certain character, E.g. SS4 Gogeta
• You can't over-transform. E.g Trying to stay as just 3rd form Frieza but accidentally going over that (as before mentioned)
• Saves time, no powering up to transform (you don't get blasted by the AI while gathering energy)
• More variation with characters moves (It'd be boring to have different forms of the same character have just the same old moves. Maybe some moves the same, like trademark moves.)
• Bigger choice of characters (Kinda)
Cons:
• In Atari tourneys people would dominate using higher level characters from the start e.g. SS4 Gogeta, SS4 Goku etc...
• You can't transform if you're getting thrashed (ruins the idea of having a comeback or power struggle like on the series, transforming and beating the enemy)
• All characters must be of similar strength to keep it a fair match, so technically Raditz could beat Buu or something similarly stupid.
That's all for now, if I think of anymore I will add them. Go ahead and Vote/Comment!
About a con, I don't think they're making online of the game :noooo:
hello ssj4 ky ur rite no in game tranformation is goin to completely ruin the budokai series. i dont see the point in tranformation bein seperate, because if you have in game tranformation i would leave more room for improvement, plus tranformation is kool anyways.
well i think in my opinion its an improved Final Bout rolleyesa i mean come on for those who had B3 playing against nappa with an SSJ4 Goku :laugh: it was fun....... rolleyesa
SSJ Flipip
12-10-2005, 23:30
I never liked being Goku. I preferd being Vegeta, Teen Gohan, or Chibi and Future Trunks.
janembuu
13-10-2005, 01:50
i agree not having in game transformations doe's take the essence away from the series abit, but am sure the games gonna kick a*se, just hope it's coming friday! mdr1
About a con, I don't think they're making online of the game :noooo:
We're talking about the pro's and cons of Transformations, not the entire game. That could make an interesting topic though. :)
I don't think it will make such a difference without the IGT. I think it's cool, just fight as an SSJ the hole fight.
We're talking about the pro's and cons of Transformations, not the entire game. That could make an interesting topic though. :)
yes i meant we won't be able to play each other with no transformations and have unfair forms of characters because it's not online. If you didn't understand what I just put then dorry :atari: :respect:
OH yeah didn't think of that, my bad.
ElementalDragon
13-10-2005, 11:26
This game will rock mdr1
obviously will. E dragon where did you get your avatar :mefiant:
Understudy
13-10-2005, 14:54
obviously will. E dragon where did you get your avatar :mefiant:Did it occur to you to use Private Messaging for a question like this? :mefiant:
Why do you guys inisit on filling the forum with rubbish spam :nono:
No offence Understudy, but I expect a decent mod to delete posts and give warnings. It's what I was taught.
SSJ Flipip
13-10-2005, 16:51
eekblue: RUN EVERYBODY RUUUUUUN!!!! eekblue:
I really didn't expect more people to vote with the no IGT weirdblue
James_Han
13-10-2005, 16:52
The reson they dont hae transofromations is coz all the bottons have somthing to do!.
Plus if we had the trnasformations Half of the char list would be gone.
tenebra_uk
13-10-2005, 16:56
No offence Understudy, but I expect a decent mod to delete posts and give warnings. It's what I was taught.
Oh, I see. So we need to be your cleaners and delete YOUR posts, right? weirdblue
Let me tell you, Mr Spiers, that the mods are being nice enough to encourage and remind you to behave properly in the forum.
I can't believe that now we've got to get patronised by you weirdblue
I'm not gonna say it again. Change your attitude now guys or what you'll get are warnings, bans and entired threads deleted. We are not going to spend hours and hours every day to selectively delete rubbish posts.
Did it occur to you to use Private Messaging for a question like this? :mefiant:
Why do you guys inisit on filling the forum with rubbish spam :nono:
Sorry bout that was trying to stay on topic and pms are long (won't happen again) :atari: . --> back on topic. I think transformations in game is better. but i'd love a whole match with just gojiita but what if you lose ki and lose the match as fusions due to know transformations like on supersonic warriors
SsJ4SaNjAy
13-10-2005, 19:12
i agree with chiller......i got realy peas(understudy rolleyesa ) off when i wen i go against omega as ssj4 gogeta and i miss a big bang kamehameha :mad: ..........it realy ticks ya off lolblue:
i agree with chiller......i got realy peas(understudy rolleyesa ) off when i wen i go against omega as ssj4 gogeta and i miss a big bang kamehameha :mad: ..........it realy ticks ya off lolblue:
Well Tenkaichi is the"ultimate dbz game" :laugh: lolblue: :salut2: mdr1 :chapeau: :atari:
Steven Perry
13-10-2005, 19:39
Well Tenkaichi is the"ultimate dbz game" :laugh: lolblue: :salut2: mdr1 :chapeau: :atari:
That still remains to be seen...
Without transformations, people will still have a strong reason to play Budokai 3. As a matter of fact, I'll still be playing Budokai 3 alot when Tenkaichi comes out. :) They're 2 different types of games, and I hope Atari will make another DragonBall Z game based on Budokai 3.
Orion Saccuroa
13-10-2005, 20:33
Hmm In my opinion its a shame its out of the game ... its a bit less authentic in my opinion
but it does have big advantages :) like completly bashing someone in an ultimate form al the time although I could even do that with the IGT but thats just the way I play never geth hit :respect:
clone_number_8_uk
13-10-2005, 21:20
doesn't make any difference to me
James_Han
13-10-2005, 21:30
That still remains to be seen...
Without transformations, people will still have a strong reason to play Budokai 3. As a matter of fact, I'll still be playing Budokai 3 alot when Tenkaichi comes out. :) They're 2 different types of games, and I hope Atari will make another DragonBall Z game based on Budokai 3.
If ppl aint going on BT coz it does'nt have transformations means they dont have a brain!.
Exactly, it's not all about that is it. I personally think it's got it's uses, having no IGT. It's all about gameplay for me.
Kaioken_uk
14-10-2005, 00:04
How about if the game had the option to start at a certain level and if you want advance to a higher level (Or choose no more transformations)?I think this could solve most arguments
That's not what we're doing. We're not debating what could be good in another game. We're debating whether it actually is an improvement. Although yeah, what you said would be the best in a new game. Choose where to start and choose whether you want IGT on/off.
i need transformations will somebody tell me is this a final bout 2 basically?
Atari say : out today
GAME say: out in 6 days!
:mefiant:
ForgottenDragonBall
15-10-2005, 07:09
I'd say I rather In Game Transformation. I mean, c'mon people, don't you feel excited when you're playing as Goku or Vegeta and you reached the SSJ4 or when you make the fussion?, I mean, for a DBsick-fan like me, that's the best thing that could happen in a game. The other trouble I see is that having such powerful characters for the WHOLE battle (I mean, if you can't finish a match in 10 sec. with Gogeta SSJ4, you just suck!) is kind of a waste, so I rather having those transformation for a short period of time and then go back to the hard way!. But well, you can't say you wouldn't like to keep Gogeta or Gotenks for the whole battle, neither, hehehe... like in the beginning, there're pros and cons, like everything in life tonguegre
Orion Saccuroa
15-10-2005, 10:04
Thats someone I can relate to :salut2:
Perfectly said mdr1
ohw and to ad something to the WAY to powerfull chars treu the whole battle... comehow if you play in VS mode the char yo-u play against is matched to your power level :mefiant: I can win in about 20 secs with any char at the highest dificulty but that just the speed of teh char taht makes it possible... not the power level...
Steven Perry
16-10-2005, 12:20
I'd say I rather In Game Transformation. I mean, c'mon people, don't you feel excited when you're playing as Goku or Vegeta ...
Perfectly said, man! I also agree that you should earn your transformation the hard way. :)
i agree :respect: it ruins the power struggle and comback :mad: i used to like it on B3 when my friend would turn ssj2 then i would then you could test the limits rolleyesa but the game does seem good you guys come on there is battle damage after all!
Steven Perry
16-10-2005, 12:41
i agree :respect: it ruins the power struggle and comback :mad: i used to like it on B3 when my friend would turn ssj2 then i would then you could test the limits rolleyesa but the game does seem good you guys come on there is battle damage after all!
Yeah... I suppose you're right. Case closed. :)
it makes no differences to me. i will use any advanage i get to try and beat other people because i know that other people will use it. it just makes it easier for me to stay in super saiyan 2 form with teen gohan.
advanages (a.k.a. pros) are there to be used but the real pro gamers of the dragonball z are those of you who freely use normal abilities.
... What the hell did you just say? :hin:
SSJ Flipip
16-10-2005, 18:07
He means you don't need Transformations to do well, people rely on them to much to get them out of trouble and they should learn to be good at Dragonball Z games and to stay in one single form :wink2:
Yeah, that's what I thought he said. It's also what I think too. Don't worry if I seemed offensive to him, I know him in real life, so it's ok! :). That's not the only reason I think it's better. True, it mean's you can't get un-transformed or whatever but I think it's good because you can get any form from the beggining of the match, and not just over-transform by accident. So If you prefer Frieza's third form, you can have it without accidentally going 4th form 100%.
By the way, what does everyone think about the character damage? I'm pleased that it is when you get hit hard, and not just when your health goes down. That'd be abit stupid if it was like that. It also wouldn't work in practice mode because they have infinite health so...
He means you don't need Transformations to do well, people rely on them to much to get them out of trouble and they should learn to be good at Dragonball Z games and to stay in one single form :wink2:
:cry2: im so happy that someone understands what i said (im crying tears of joy). but its true people do rely on transformations abit too much. but people don't use transformations if i use yakon mahahahahahahaahah.
anyway back on topic, no in-game tranformations might be a good change in the dragonball z : budokai game series
SSJ Flipip
16-10-2005, 18:53
^_^
I think they didn't put IGT because they ran out of buttons rolleyesa
Orion Saccuroa
16-10-2005, 19:22
nah there where still possible button combo's it just wouldn't fith there skill system
i no :noooo: they if spike would have included trans they would have got a better ign rating maybe 9.0! but i still love the spike guys well done (i am not bisexual) :laugh:
Don't you mean Bisexual? Transexual means a person who becomes the other sex. I.e. man becoming woman or something...
doesn't he mean homo-sexual
I wouldn't listen to IGN u have to pay for it :P
anyway back on topic
I think they ran out of space for one charecter so they decded they'd do what they did but they couldnt do it with all the other people so they changed it to what they did
ForgottenDragonBall
20-10-2005, 02:00
:cry2: im so happy that someone understands what i said (im crying tears of joy). but its true people do rely on transformations abit too much. but people don't use transformations if i use yakon mahahahahahahaahah.
anyway back on topic, no in-game tranformations might be a good change in the dragonball z : budokai game series
But what's the point of DB games if you don't see them transformating?. I'm just guessing, but I think that's the most important thing (I mean, the visual aspect of the game, the moment they fuse or transform). If you don't like transformations in a fight game, then stay with Street Fighter or any other game like that :nono:
janembuu
20-10-2005, 02:20
i know what you mean, dragonball z was all about finding a stronger form than anyone else, its good that they have added battle damage, the games still gonner kick a** mdr1
L.S.S_Broly(uk)
20-10-2005, 14:12
Well I think the system works quite well, and they can be more powerful because I've used this syetm before. It first started on Supersonic Warriors, you had set transformations there and yet, for example If you were using lvl3 Gotenks you could completely Annhilalate a lvl 1 Frieza in more or less one attack. And that game had great lasting power with me, I still play it now even though everything was unlocked within my first week of playing it...
But still I will miss the handiness of transformations when you get a Vanishing Ball lobbed at you :laugh: :noooo:
princeofallsayains
20-10-2005, 14:16
This is the 1st ive heard theres no in game transformations but i think it will be cool.
the game will still be ok i thought today 'wow using majin vegeta all of a battle rolleyesa ' 'battle damage' 'free roam levels' the game will still be good just look on the bright side :laugh:
I'm p***** off that there is no in game transformation, that would of been cool on tenkaichi!! :mad: madred:
But you know what they say sh*t happens!!!!!!!! :mad: sour:
I HATE THAT YOU CAN"T TRANSFORM IN GAME!
Considering that this was staple in the previous incarnations this is the stoopidest move in the world.
Every Japanese developed DBZ game has made the transformed characters separate. So when Dimps made it dynamic it rocked. The whole point of Tenkaichi was to make an accurate DBZ experience, if I can't transform during the match how is that Dragonball-like?
I hate it and it is really takes a LOT of the fun out of the game.
Super #17
27-10-2005, 22:15
I like having no IGTs dunno why I just do
Well think about it. Sometimes against a hard computer you could barely charge up anyway. It'll make it much harder where you could just start off with the transformation instead of having to turn into it.
Also the last time I played as Gogeta for a whole fight was never because you can't. Fusion lasted 10 seconds. O_o
the game has ups and downs it would of been gr8 transformations like the risk of 'should i turn ssj3 and blitz him and need a zimmer frame or stay cool :mefiant: ' :laugh:
SSJ Shadow
28-10-2005, 01:19
I think it's best this way cuz with transformation u only had 30 seconds of fightin in fusion until they split apart, that got on me nerves when I fought Omega Shenron with SSJ4 Gogeta lol.
There seems to be alot of controversy about wether or not having no in-game transformations is a step forward or back, so lets vote to see what you all think, and post reasons why.
I am saying yes because often I would want to be, say... 3rd form Frieza, because he looks best and has the best Dragon Rush, but I would accidentally over transform or something and it would be annoying.
Edit: To make it easier to decide, here is a list of Pro's and Cons with transformations:
Pro's:
• You can play the whole match with a certain character, E.g. SS4 Gogeta
• You can't over-transform. E.g Trying to stay as just 3rd form Frieza but accidentally going over that (as before mentioned)
• Saves time, no powering up to transform (you don't get blasted by the AI while gathering energy)
• More variation with characters moves (It'd be boring to have different forms of the same character have just the same old moves. Maybe some moves the same, like trademark moves.)
• Bigger choice of characters (Kinda)
Cons:
• In Atari tourneys people would dominate using higher level characters from the start e.g. SS4 Gogeta, SS4 Goku etc...
• You can't transform if you're getting thrashed (ruins the idea of having a comeback or power struggle like on the series, transforming and beating the enemy)
• All characters must be of similar strength to keep it a fair match, so technically Raditz could beat Buu or something similarly stupid.
That's all for now, if I think of anymore I will add them. Go ahead and Vote/Comment!
don't be dumb having in game transormations is all about dbz the only reason tenkaichi has not got in game transformations is because its (spikes) first try, they try to see how it will be, not having transformation but it didnt work out so it will come back on tenkaichi 2 for the ps3 don't watch dat.
about the fusions, gogeta ssj2/gogeta ssj4/vigito/gotenks/picollo fused with kami/picollo fused with nail/super buu picollo absorbed/super buu gotenks absorbed/super buu mystic gohan absorbed/super 17/cell 2nd form android 17 absorbed/cell final form android 17 and 18 absorbed/perfect cell perfect form/(for brolly-brolly normal /ssj brolly controlled by device on for head/ that should be 1 of brolly) the 2nd brolly- (brolly ssj1 normal/legendary ssj1 brolly)the 2 brollys should be separat but each of them has ther forms, all of these characters shouldn't be transformed they should be saparet like tenkachi but like normal transformatoins like goku normal transforming in to ssj1 then ssj 2nd grade/ssj2) or vageta transforming to ssj1/ssj 2nd grade than ussj1/ssj2 and down transforming like from ssj3 to ssj1 like dat you get me it should be like that.
i dont really know its confusing
i dont really know its confusing
i didnt understand what you ment repeat what you said
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