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Macgyver
15-11-2005, 07:45
Remember you did sign an agreement that states: "You belong to atari now". This basically means they own you and your family and control all that you say and do; especially in these forums. lolblue: lolblue: lolblue:
L.S.S_Broly(uk)
15-11-2005, 10:31
And that has anything to do with swearing at all other than that we made an agreement to not use offensive language ect...
cant you really tell your anger and deception without swearing ? It's respect for other people, respect for the langage itself and control is not a bad thing in case people always cross the limit, imagine a world without these limits, where do people will go ? :P This post could be very metaphysic..
Macgyver
15-11-2005, 12:03
ah yes, but if the swearing is directed at a person or something pertaining to a person that's wrong, but if it is used to proove a point; like how much a game sucks - i think it should be acceptable in that case. unless this is a forum for children, anyone that can make posts on this server swears, unless you're the queen or something and as if the queen would talk on this forum!
tenebra_uk
15-11-2005, 12:51
No. You can't swear, under any circumstances. Yes, this forum is also open to children and we have many. I don't care how foul their language is outside this forum, Atari demands that language is clean and you keep it clean. Not negotiable.
dude..
this is the forum for a game wich is even rated for containing bad language, blood and violence....
L.S.S_Broly(uk)
15-11-2005, 14:20
Yes but as of yet no one has mentioned that strong language have they!? And they really shouldn't its supposed to be a friendly enviroment where you discuss games, not argue about whether you can swear on not, if you can't stand not being able to swear then don't come on here.
i see theing worse on tv then what people are writing but half of this country cant read, write or rember so i thing we are ok there lol
tenebra_uk
15-11-2005, 14:41
dude..
this is the forum for a game wich is even rated for containing bad language, blood and violence....
Dude, are you telling me you can't see that there are several other games sections in this forum?
well well well abit up tight are we you ***
I am about to stop talking and act.
Hang on a sec, this is a 15-rated game (PEGI 16 equivalent) in Europe, featuring footage from 15(cut)/R-rated movies yet there is this enormous concern over language which is not as bad as that contained within said movies etc - with this concern over the viewing, does it mean these forums are being used by Atari to market the game to those who aren't supposed to be playing it? :mefiant:
Considering Atari have shown absolutely no sign of caring at all about the myriad of problems with the european version of the game - not least the incomplete manual, the shipping with options files as read-only and the continued issues after this is manually changed (controls reset) as well as graphics problems ranging from those caused by lack of description to lighting issues (I suspect the "vaseline effect" - because the game is made by Shiny? tonguegre - is down to this as it does not happen in outdoor environments), flickering textures and objects, crashes etc for many users is no doubt going to lead to great frustration for those trying to play the game. Coupling the lack of a european patch (when exchange rates are taken into account, we in europe have actually paid more than the US users, yet they get a patch already!) or even a statement with half the threads trying to get answers being turned into issues of swearing, the overriding impression is that the brief for Atari and the moderators here is "we've got your money now, that is all we care about... now go away". No wonder people here are frustrated... and to be frank the moderation is currently exascerbating this, being drawn into making out-of-place threats and personal insults which if made by any other user would get them banned. How about a bit of pulling together and a bit of help for the users on here for a change? :)
SpunkyMcMonkey
15-11-2005, 16:42
Hang on a sec, this is a 15-rated game (PEGI 16 equivalent) in Europe, featuring footage from 15(cut)/R-rated movies yet there is this enormous concern over language which is not as bad as that contained within said movies etc - with this concern over the viewing, does it mean these forums are being used by Atari to market the game to those who aren't supposed to be playing it? :mefiant:
Yes the game is a 15 rating and there are laws against buying it if underage, however there are none for the forums, this is open to everyone. Not only that swearing is inappropriate, there are how many words in the english language? You have to use some that are:
1) Inappropriate like I said
2) Are of no use in addressing a point.
Now, if you can't explain a point without using a certain four letter word in, pick up the dictionary and use something you find in there. You will notice people will take you more seriously and it will increase the morale and atmosphere on the boards. What is it about swearing that makes it so important to use, the fact that the majority are over 15 that makes it mandatory for us to use it? It is rather quite pathetic.
tenebra_uk
15-11-2005, 16:43
Frankly, I'm getting slightly fed up. The game is 15 rated, the forum is not. When you signed up to the forum, you accepted the terms and conditions, and one is no swearing.
If you don't like it, you're welcome to leave.
the moderation is currently exascerbating this, being drawn into making out-of-place threats and personal insults which if made by any other user would get them banned.
Find them and quote them. Informing people that they'll get banned if they don't moderate their language is certainly not out of place, it's a very legitimate warning.
the overriding impression is that the brief for Atari and the moderators here is "we've got your money now, that is all we care about... now go away".
Moderators are NOT Atari employees. Our brief is "ensure that the forum rules are followed". If you're wasting so much of our time arguing about the use of obscenities in this forum, you can't expect us to be able to use our time helping. You are assuming that we're not trying to get tech help.
Understudy
15-11-2005, 17:00
This is a public forum that can be visited by anyone of any age. Atari have released many titles aimed at players considerably under the age of 15. These users can access any public area.
Everyone who posts on these forums has agreed to the forum rules. They are simple, they are far from draconian. We try as much as possible to give users freedom to express themselves. Unfortunately, we give people the benefit of the doubt, and allow slack for the obvious frustration that some users are experiencing with this game.
If we wanted to, or were instructed to, we could delete and ban any comments that were contrary to any Atari marketing policy, but we don't. In fact, the moderators here have no affiliation with corporate Atari. Any time we spend here is our own, private free time, we are not paid to do this.
It would require far less of my time to simply delete any offensive post, and ban the user. This has not happened. Admittedly given the current trend in back chatting and arguing what is and is not offensive, and the obvious limitations in some users vocabularies, this would have been a far better solution :noooo:
Relevant posts have been reported as bad... and I remember reading when I signed up that moderators were picked by Atari, hence their inclusion in the statement.
Personally, I have moderated forums for getting on 10 years now, and compared to those I have worked with, compared to the US Path of Neo forum, and even compared to the same moderators in other Atari Europe forums I have visited (all of which, coincidentally, have been for games rated 15/PEGI 16 tonguegre) the attitude towards users here is frankly shameful.
Comments like "If you don't like it, you're welcome to leave" would be nice were the game in a suitable state for this to not be necessary, but being as most people here have paid £25-£35 to be basically beta testers for a game (example - how does a read-only config file, with automatically resetting controls even after manually changing from read-only, get past testing?) it's a case of being lumped with Jobsworths until its fixed! Accuse us of wasting time or whatever, the only assumption being made here is that it is OK to treat us the users as guinea pigs for unfinished software...
tenebra_uk
15-11-2005, 17:23
Frankly, AndyJWS, I really don't care if you believe that exposing 10-11 years old kids to obscenities is fine. I've seen many children forums where it's not just allowed but even encouraged by the mods. You might be one of them, fine by me, but this is not going to happen here. You can even teach your own children to swear as much as you want, it's none of my business.
Comments like "If you don't like it, you're welcome to leave" would be nice were the game in a suitable state
Are you saying that since the game is a shamble, you should all be allowed to post obscenities in a public forum? No, sorry.
A little reminder, since it looks like some of you place their signature without even reading what you are agreeing to
By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
You signed it. Stick to it. You don't like a swearing-free forum? Please leave. You insist on using inappropriate language? We'll have to make you leave.
Understudy
15-11-2005, 17:28
A user that states that they do not wish to follow the rules of the forum, or even that they should be allowed to break these rules because they don't agree with them - even if they agreed on sign-up, is indeed welcome to leave. rolleyesa
However, I'd prefer that they take our advice as to what is acceptable, and contribute in some way to the community.
I'm sorry that the game is not performing on everyone's PC. I was actually looking forward to upgrading my PC so that it would run the game, as I expected the controls to be easier to manage than with the way that they've forced every single button on the PS2 controller to have a function. eekblue:
Rather than wash this dirty laundry in public, I have replied to your email and hope this clarifies the situation...
EDIT: Understudy - I wouldn't actually give up, as I mentioned in the "good things" thread there is potentially a very good game here... mind you, with the recent release of the X1800s, waiting a couple of weeks while patches are sorted before going ahead with the upgrade could get you a better deal...
Macgyver
16-11-2005, 01:08
Moderators are NOT Atari employees. Our brief is "ensure that the forum rules are followed".
Oh, so you're agents of the system...
Well anyway.... I haven't used inapropriate language - I articulate my insults into intelligent wording for advanced interlects. But swearing, honestly... who cares, well I suppose Atari does... But what are they gonna do... sue us!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Pyrostek
16-11-2005, 01:26
That is good because the real Macgyver wouldn't swear :(
But swearing, honestly... who cares, well I suppose Atari does...
The mods do too..........theres just no need for it on a forum visited by young Children......... :nono:
ssj5gogeta
16-11-2005, 19:47
Oh, so you're agents of the system...
Well anyway.... I haven't used inapropriate language - I articulate my insults into intelligent wording for advanced interlects. But swearing, honestly... who cares, well I suppose Atari does... But what are they gonna do... sue us!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Or they could just ban you... and if you sign up again, they can ban you again.... and again and again until you get bored ;)
Yeah i have done that a few times lol
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