Arcade ?

[faqfaqfaq]

The steering looks rather arcade to me especially at high speed (NFS 6):( I hope I'm wrong because this is the only thing that can ruin the game :noooo:

[davie18]

How does it look arcade? It hardly turns at high speed, which is realistic.

[SIMON008]

yeah how can you say the cars turn arcade style on they videos they are well realistic

[evsky]

There not really realistic.

[Deadly_Dave]

guys how on earth do you lot come up with all these answers, in well, all of the posts, you have no idea as youve never played the game, yet alot of us come to these forums to find infomation on this game but every post is full of off topic banter by the same guys, its getting really annoying now lolblue:

[faqfaqfaq]

How does it look arcade? It hardly turns at high speed, which is realistic.
Hah ! It doesn't turn hard at all ... have you seen this movie ?http://streamingmovies.ign.com/xbox360/article/696/696219/TestDriveUnlimitedDF_031506_3_wmvlowwide.wmv

[SIMON008]

no the turning in that video is realistic or to even get proof of if it is or not ask someone who has played the game

[Mister-Sheep]

At the end of the day there is no such thing as a 'realistic' video game. They are all just games at the end of the day.

[evsky]

Basically realistic is turning full lock going at fast speeds and you'll get alot of Understeer even if you got some sort of traction control on then your car would still Understeer. Its SIMPLE PHYSICS... :nuts: I think....

[Vibroboy]

the game ain't arcade. Arcade is a mean word.. It means it's fake physics, fake engine, fake everything *cough* ridgeracer *cough*
If Magic_fr ever read that thread, he'd cry lol.
Thousands of parameters are playing on how a car is handling / accelerating etc. We are using all those parameters to make our car reacting as close as possible from reality. That's why all our cars are differents. Because not many car are the same in reality, ours are different as their counterparts in real life.
If a car understeer, it will in game.. not because we decided it, but because all data and the physic laws are saying it is !
But, cuz there is always a but :)
It's impossible to have a car fun to drive on a TV with a pad.
So, even if we are simulating everything in a car, we need to adapt the controls to the devices players will have to handle the beasties.
Just pause for a sec and look at your x360 pad. There's like 2 cm movement on each stick. That's for controling a wheel that turns like 2 or 3 times on itself to controls the direction from one side to the other of the car.
I'd call you superman if you could drive a car with that device without a lot of "help". It's those "steering controls" that on differents build made the game "arcadish" or "sim-ish".
That's what we are tuning atm among billions of other things. We don't want a "pain in the a** to control" game, where you crash in every corner and jump over every cliffs. But we don't want either a game where every n00b could drive an enzo like the stig.
We still want to have fun with those powerful cars tho.
Finding the balance is a pain, but we are quite happy with what we have today.
The game is quite easy when you are driving "easy" slow cars, vintage and muscle cars for example (except a few models that are real rockets).
But when you enter, let say an enzo for example, it's a total different thing. First, you are going hella faster !!! the corners are jumping at you !! you have lot less time to react, the road seems suddenly a lot less large, every bump makes you lose a bit of control on your steering !!
Like it would be if you were driving that car at top speed (at least as fast as you dare to) on normal roads.

[SIMON008]

another question i know it has been asked before but i must ask again will the cars have there own official engine sound like a mercedes slr mclaren and things like that will they have there own actual engine sound

[raunchy]

:atari: mdr1 to vibro for the clear info and thanks u answerd an question
i asked a couple of days ago in an other threat

[SIMON008]

:atari: vibroboy can you answer that question about the engine sound please i want to know or can someone else tell me

[davie18]

He probably hasn't even been on the forums since you made that post. Patience simon, patience. He is probably to busy getting good at TDU :nuts:

[SIMON008]

yeah probably i hope the money aspect of the gsame is hard to earn because in pgr3 the money was earnt straight away i had the mclaren f1 by about the 5th race

[faqfaqfaq]

ok... maybe the word "arcade" is too much (I don't want to make Magic_fr cry) :laugh: but I sure hope this game won't disappoint like Test Drive 6 did , with that SF steering . I just want to play this game with my steering wheel on my pc :P because there are very few games that are playable with a steering wheel (don't know why :hin: ) and the playable ones are pretty boring ... just racing along the race track ... no exotics or anything.
I hope this game will be a revolution in the racing games scene :atari: because it's the most complex racing game I have ever seen ... and I have seen many games

[SIMON008]

thank god for wireless controllers for this game the only problem is that they neeed bateries and i think that the os3 controlers are going to go wrong because they are bluetooth and you hear what phones go wrong with bluetooth

[davie18]

The game will be completley different from all the other TD's, I mean all the other ones weren't made by Atari so this will be a new start for TD.

[magicfr]

:cry:


thanks Vibro :)


Well, i'm a bit lazy, i'll explain it again, like i already did on US Forums.... for the christ sake, why there is 2 english forums weirdblue

I made car phyics & dynamics in the game.

The engine is a pure simulation... mathematic modelisation of real physics

Briefly that include
* tire model using modified pacejka 96
* 4 wheel independant
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* full suspension model
- spring
- dampers ( slow & fast )
- antirolbars
* differentials , front,rear, central
- 3 types ( open, lsd, viscous )
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* gearbox
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* clutch
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* engine
- full torque curve ( full injection cartography )
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* aerodynamics
- drag
- lift
- draft effect
* Real driving helps
- Traction Control
- ESP
- ABS
4 positions for the driving helps
- Full help
- Sport
- Hypersport
- OFF
.. i'm sure i'm forgeting some stuff :)

On top of that,i had to create a steering help, because u just CANT drive a car with a funny 1" stick.
The steering help is , i think, the best compromise, beetween helping the driver counter steer and keep maximum control of the car.
There is help only for countersteering.

In the game, after some playing, you will won a ChronoPack, so you'll could mesure yourself 0-60mph.. then you will compare with the real cars ;)

cheers,

[Understudy]

Thanks magicfr ! :bravo:

BTW there is only one English forum.. :atari:

Ignore the Americans, they'll only censor your game to include speed limiters so that Wal-Mart can sell it without damaging its 'community image' rolleyesa :nuts:

[magicfr]

well, maybe if European would buy MORE copy than Americans, we wouldn't care that much weirdblue

[Understudy]

:mefiant:

Ok.. you've got a fair point there... :) tonguegre

[raunchy]

mayby if u guys would give us the game first we would tonguegre

[Gaskellorama]

if you do 2 games for the price of one i'll get a couple of copies!!!

[faqfaqfaq]

Hey !! this is off-topic !!! :p I've got you understudy :nuts: :bravo:

[faqfaqfaq]

that sounds nice magicfr ...very nice :nuts: I think this could be the mother of all games 10sur10

[Crazed_Dodgem]

or how about not releasing it to the americans at all! that way you dont get pain in the *** pre-pubescent american teens whining and crying to 'mom' every time you kick their pathetec butts on Live, also there is a chance that there will be less retarded remarks about our accents! yay, celebrate! :chapeau: :p tonguegre :p

[davie18]

I wish there was a button on the back of the 360, which says Americans, on, off. Whenever someone turns it off it disconnects all Americans!

[evsky]

:cry:


thanks Vibro :)


Well, i'm a bit lazy, i'll explain it again, like i already did on US Forums.... for the christ sake, why there is 2 english forums weirdblue

I made car phyics & dynamics in the game.

The engine is a pure simulation... mathematic modelisation of real physics

Briefly that include
* tire model using modified pacejka 96
* 4 wheel independant
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* full suspension model
- spring
- dampers ( slow & fast )
- antirolbars
* differentials , front,rear, central
- 3 types ( open, lsd, viscous )
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* gearbox
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* clutch
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* engine
- full torque curve ( full injection cartography )
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* aerodynamics
- drag
- lift
- draft effect
* Real driving helps
- Traction Control
- ESP
- ABS
4 positions for the driving helps
- Full help
- Sport
- Hypersport
- OFF
.. i'm sure i'm forgeting some stuff :)

On top of that,i had to create a steering help, because u just CANT drive a car with a funny 1" stick.
The steering help is , i think, the best compromise, beetween helping the driver counter steer and keep maximum control of the car.
There is help only for countersteering.

In the game, after some playing, you will won a ChronoPack, so you'll could mesure yourself 0-60mph.. then you will compare with the real cars ;)

cheers,


That made my stomach churn because it sounds amazing, also Vibroboy's post was quite amazing aswell. This game drives me crazy. You Developers are like the people who gave the world football, we will just keep on playing it. And we will love you for that. Except you are not English, BOOOOOOO j/k specialdri

[SIMON008]

will the game feature the thing where you can turn tc traction control and everything on and off high and low setting because if it has it will be even more realistic

[davie18]

Having traction control on it boring on most games when you have the option. I find it alot more fun playing without it. The only driving aid I use is ABS. I hope too that you have the option to turn them on and off.

[SIMON008]

some cars will need traction control to stay on the road and in control

[davie18]

No cars need traction control to keep them in control.

[SIMON008]

yes they do to help them turn corners and stay to the roador they would be spinning out all the time

[davie18]

Ok, what car would spin out if you went around a corner without TCS?

[evsky]

yes they do to help them turn corners and stay to the roador they would be spinning out all the time

If you went round a corner at 2mph then you wouldn't exactly do 5 spins the 2 rolls and die would you? no. No car would need Traction Control, or any aids to help them turn corners.

[SIMON008]

no i mean at about 200 mph

[magicfr]

did you guys ever tried a 500bhp cars on a race track????

Believing you can control such a car with a PAD is a nonsense.

Anyway... if you read carrefully my post... nof half the lines ;) you'll see that you can turn it off :nono:

i'll quote myself in big letters .... ;)


4 positions for the driving helps
- Full help
- Sport
- Hypersport
- OFF


:laugh:

:)

[davie18]

no i mean at about 200 mph

God bless anyone who goes around a corner at 200mph, TCS will probably make no difference, and there super car will be wrecked. Any car that comes close to becoming capible of that are F1 cars.

Thanks for that magic, it is another feature witch i'll be looking forward to on TDU :)

[evsky]

It is true that you cannot control a fast car with a control pad, it really is nearly impossible.