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ziggyjinx
27-06-2006, 00:28
Just wish they sorted the physics out on the motors, they should of used the same physics as they did with the orignal driver game, im not sure of the level of TC on the cars at the moment but the that big fat yank tank should be real tail end happy but it aint.
also right another thing needs to be changed is the way ya cant rev the nuts of the motors from the word go... eg put the car in reverse and slap it in neutral hit the limiter and burn the **** out of it, instead the revs die and you start as a normal fast pullaway.
also why do the cars spin and spin so much with full throttle in full lock. ive had many of powerfull motors and if ya do a dougnut and keep ya foot nailed you can control the car into a straight line but on the game its a no go they carry on spinning even with sod all throttle.
is this a arcade racer or a simulation.
dont get me wrong here i do like the game and will buy it for sure but they need to go back to real physics.
they need to sit their buts in these cars and take note of how they handle.
the_gaming_guy
27-06-2006, 08:47
People keep judging the game by the demo.
I think its worth undrrstanding that the game has been developed thouroughly over the past few months to improve many aspects of the game.
is this a arcade racer or a simulation.
Well, I think that could be for you to decide.
Have you tried turning traction control off? If you haven't, and you would like to see what you think after: get into a car in free roam, after that put your windows up (or down), when you see the "Close" icon on the left of the screen, immedietley press left on the d-pad. Then press left again until you come to driving aids. Use the d-pad to choose your option, using up and down! :wink:
eurosTHEgreat
27-06-2006, 10:54
damm i here everyone talk about the demo here, although most of the posts are about things that should be changed or stuff like that i would realy realy like to play a demo (im PC user) **** or not :)
ziggyjinx
27-06-2006, 11:20
when you see the "Close" icon on the left of the screen, immedietley press left on the d-pad. Then press left again until you come to driving aids. Use the d-pad to choose your option, using up and down!
Ya cant do that well i cant anyway.. its all free roam choose ya car then ya in free roam or am i missing the plot here.... eekblue:
can anyone else turn off the TC, i thought tc was off due to you can burn rubber and dougnut alot. if TC was on this would be a no go.
diorbaby
27-06-2006, 11:28
yea, it can be done, its a bit fiddly to find the menu, you only get a split second to hit left on D-pad when close comes up.
then you get radio options hit left again, driving aids comes up, 3 types, sport, hyper and none.
ziggyjinx
27-06-2006, 14:06
Are you lot pulling my plonker here.... weirdblue im 31 years old and yes a old fart that is but i just cant do it is this meant to be in the game or is it you have stumbled across because under options it's LOCKED !!!
if this is the case and you can do this what else is there that we can do what we aint meant to come across.
if this is meant to be here then i hope they make it more easy to apply in the game.... tonguegre
meant is my word of the day peeps..... :p
ziggy do this:
Pick your car, more than likely the Shelby but anything will do. Get out on the road not in the garage.
1. Push up to open/close windows, doesn't matter.
2. Wait for "Close" to appear then push "left on the d-pad".
3. "Radio" will show, push left again and this is your "Driving Aids".
4. Push "Down on the d-pad" to select any of the options, preferably "Off".
5. Burn away.
You will need to redo this if you use GPS on map (Pressing A to go there) and if the Police catch you.
Try controlling that baby now !
There isn't really a big difference between TC on and off. The biggest mistake is, as you mentioned yourself, that the car spins way to long after the throttle have been released. 180 degrees to much. It's really anoying when you want to make a nice and quick escape and then you spin out the car to make a 180 turn, but it then proceeds to make a 740 spin instead, so unrealistic that it's one of the biggest turnoff in this game for me.
then you better try a car with better handling lile gallardo it will be better than gt500 but if you want do some dounts then go for the GT500 with off TCS
then you better try a car with better handling lile gallardo it will be better than gt500 but if you want do some dounts then go for the GT500 with off TCS
All the cars do it, it's a bug in the game. Or a code error. No cars do this in real life.
Hostrup there is a difference, best way to test it is take a Gallardo to the twisty uphill section at the lighthouse and thrash the car round it. You will understeer the car will be stable over jumps and landing, but take the aids off, and you will have much more fun. Very difficult to powerslide the car without spinning.
Try it, it's a good laugh.
yeah try the hill it's so much fun keep trying to handle the car there and it will be really fun~
btw go for the uphill first then go for the downhill
Hostrup there is a difference, best way to test it is take a Gallardo to the twisty uphill section at the lighthouse and thrash the car round it. You will understeer the car will be stable over jumps and landing, but take the aids off, and you will have much more fun. Very difficult to powerslide the car without spinning.
Try it, it's a good laugh.
Yaeh, I've tried it. But it doesn't feel real to me. It feels like there's TC on all the time. The only thing that speaks against this is the spinning out, and even when you spin out, the car behaves unrealistic. Go in and try right now. No car spins as much as the cars do in this game (When in a donut and trying to get out of it) - Handling wise, PGR is a lot more close to real life.
ziggyjinx
27-06-2006, 14:59
1. Push up to open/close windows, doesn't matter.
2. Wait for "Close" to appear then push "left on the d-pad".
3. "Radio" will show, push left again and this is your "Driving Aids".
4. Push "Down on the d-pad" to select any of the options, preferably "Off".
5. Burn away.
Sorted diablo cheers bud.
PGR3 is a joke in the handling department, especially if you race in the interior view. The car jerks and dives so stupidly, there is no feeling of weight, the car just slides. At least TDU has weight as a factor and you can feel the difference between the cars.
Yes by default the cars feel like they have a massive clamp on your wheels and TCS is extremely strict but when you select off the cars feel more lively, especially the Lambo. Not near realistic but closer than most other games PGR3 included imo anyway.
ziggyjinx
27-06-2006, 15:24
Live For Speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dZ-5h4Esjw&search=live%20for%20speed)
Just wish you could do a bit more controlled drifting like you can in live for speed on the PC.
i know all cars dont handle the same but ive got my fingers crossed for a few nice drifting motors in TDU maybe in the jap shop. you should be able to hold a nice drift with the lambo but i allways lose it big style....maybe coz im a old fart and play with a wheel on live for speed and not a controller... :noooo:
PGR3 is a joke in the handling department, especially if you race in the interior view. The car jerks and dives so stupidly, there is no feeling of weight, the car just slides. At least TDU has weight as a factor and you can feel the difference between the cars.
Yes by default the cars feel like they have a massive clamp on your wheels and TCS is extremely strict but when you select off the cars feel more lively, especially the Lambo. Not near realistic but closer than most other games PGR3 included imo anyway.
You are right about the weight issue, but PGR is more realistic in the way the cars behave. The way you backend can loose traction, the way you car handles in corners and in drifts. If you try and drift in TD the car just skids out and crashes. Counters steering in TD seems to have no effect, which is also very unrealistic.
Liveforspeed is the best and most realistic game so far. And PGR is secondbest.
craigie22
27-06-2006, 15:36
Gran Turismo is more realstic than PGR3
Gran Turismo is more realstic than PGR3
I only tried Gran Turismo 1, and that wasn't that realistic. But the new ones I can't judge. But from all the games I've played on all consoles and PC, Liveforspeed is best, and PGR in 2nd.
You are right about the weight issue, but PGR is more realistic in the way the cars behave. The way you backend can loose traction, the way you car handles in corners and in drifts. If you try and drift in TD the car just skids out and crashes. Counters steering in TD seems to have no effect, which is also very unrealistic.
Liveforspeed is the best and most realistic game so far. And PGR is secondbest.
PGR 2nd ! What !? GTR, Forza, Gran Turismo, F355 and many others demolish PGR for handling realism. hell even GTA San Andreas has better handling than PGR3 (well almost). No car can go round the Nurburgring as fast as those cars in PGR3, you can not just drop a gear and throw your RWD exotic through the Karrussel.
All PGR3 is good at is sliding, you can't even do a decent burnout in fact. PGR does what it is the best, be an arcade racer that's fun, the only thing remotely sim about it is the cars, in that they really exist imo.
craigie22
27-06-2006, 15:41
Gran Turismo is the most realistic racing game as proved on TopGear in on eof the episodes. The times were extremely close between real life and on the PS2. PGR3 is the most unrealistic racing game i own and no way is it the 2nd best for realism. No Way
ziggyjinx
27-06-2006, 15:43
hell even GTA San Andreas has better handling than PGR3
Why have ATARI not took note from the handling in the games like GTA San Andreas and Driver because those had the realism in the handling department.
PGR3 is a arcade racer and stated that so its not meant to be a full on simulation but im not sure what TDU is in the way of sim or arcade racer.
Sorry i should of added if this is a arcade racer then this topic is void and it will not matter about the physics due to arcade racers are not meant to be realistic.
just full on racing fun.
craigie22
27-06-2006, 15:50
PGR3 is a arcade racer and stated that so its not meant to be a full on simulation but im not sure what TDU is in the way of sim or arcade racer.
And GTA is?
ziggyjinx
27-06-2006, 16:39
And GTA is?
Who said GTA is what.... A simulation if so nobody but the cars handled more realistic than TDU demo cars in my eyes.
craigie22
27-06-2006, 17:01
Who said GTA is what.... A simulation if so nobody but the cars handled more realistic than TDU demo cars in my eyes.
i was saying that GTA is NOT a simulator.
KoenigViper
27-06-2006, 19:44
Yaeh, I've tried it. But it doesn't feel real to me. It feels like there's TC on all the time. The only thing that speaks against this is the spinning out, and even when you spin out, the car behaves unrealistic. Go in and try right now. No car spins as much as the cars do in this game (When in a donut and trying to get out of it) - Handling wise, PGR is a lot more close to real life.
May I have some of your weed, cause I want to know if that's what it takes to make a Murcielago drive like real life in PGR3.
Gran Turismo is the most realistic racing game as proved on TopGear in on eof the episodes. The times were extremely close between real life and on the PS2. PGR3 is the most unrealistic racing game i own and no way is it the 2nd best for realism. No Way
Are you referring to the test by Clarkson of the NSX on Laguna Seca in the game?
If so, he used a NSX-R on 1 test, and a '04 NSX on the other.
craigie22
27-06-2006, 20:00
yeah i was
but the cars are pretty similar
Are you referring to the test by Clarkson of the NSX on Laguna Seca in the game?
If so, he used a NSX-R on 1 test, and a '04 NSX on the other.
I recently tried to beat his time, and it's very hard! He must be amazing at the game!
Hmmm... well Forza Motorsport is meant to be similar in terms of simulation, and I got a 1:37 (4 seconds faster than Clarkson) in a NSX without driving aids.
Trust me, GT4 is ALOT harder that Forza, or any other car racing game.
Trust me, GT4 is ALOT harder that Forza, or any other car racing game.
Forza is the more realistic though unless you play with a wheel then GT4 wins. I've been playing GT since GT1, but Forza showed me that you can have GT + more, I won't say Forza is better nor is it worse, the DFP makes me 50/50 the both of them, but GT has a terrible hidden aid that makes you understeer no matter what car you're in. Sure you can tune this out but Forza is pretty raw, not as raw as GTR but it's excellent for a console sim. If Forza 2 and GT5 aim to outdo each other then we racers are going to be very very happy indeed !
GT has dumb AI also, Forza has maniac AI but at least they're not on rails. :)
Trust me, GT4 is ALOT harder that Forza, or any other car racing game.
Pfft. ToCA Race Driver 3 was freaking impossible for me. But PGR2, Forza, Gran Turismo, all of those were easy compared to ToCA.
craigie22
27-06-2006, 21:26
Toca was difficult because there is damage
the_gaming_guy
27-06-2006, 21:28
I loved Toca 3 until Stage 29 or 30. Then i hated it.
KoenigViper
27-06-2006, 21:36
Trust me, GT4 is ALOT harder that Forza, or any other car racing game.
Then you aren't playing the right games. :mefiant:
GT4 and Forza are easy as hell to play. The last hard as nails racer for the console was Dreamcast's F355 Challenge.
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