OMFG any 1 idea for PC demo

[zonda_lover]

This is annoying me................... PPl with consoles get the demo way before ppl on the PC.... This is kinda bad because when u look at it WAYYYYYY more ppl have a PC then and 360...... SO if ANy 1 And i mean ANY 1 got any info about PC demo dont hesatate to post

P.S. I know there are qute a few more topics bout this but i tough if i make a new 1 more ppl will notice it :p


Language! - Ten :mad:

[Marinerman1979]

buy an xbox

[zonda_lover]

FIrst of all my comp is almsot good as an 360 and second of all haha 2 much money :p

[KoenigViper]

There is no PC Demo, nor is there any word of one coming/ being made.

There's your answer.

Lock please Tenebra/Understudy/that other guy ( mdr1 ).

[Marinerman1979]

FIrst of all my comp is almsot good as an 360 and second of all haha 2 much money :p


lol...your pc is not as good as the 360. There will not be a pc that betters the 360 for another year or so.

[herr_lehmann]

This is pissing me off ................... PPl with consoles get the demo way before ppl on the PC.... This is kinda bad because when u look at it WAYYYYYY more ppl have a PC then and 360...... SO if ANy 1 And i mean ANY 1 got any info about PC demo dont hesatate to post

P.S. I know there are qute a few more topics bout this but i tough if i make a new 1 more ppl will notice it :p

:bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :atari: 10sur10
it won't come any faster even if you cry. so STFU and let the guys do their job instead of getting on their nerves.

[DJ_on_a_Hill]

FIrst of all my comp is almsot good as an 360 and second of all haha 2 much money :p

So your PC has 3 parallel 3.2 GHz processors?

[zonda_lover]

i wish ..........its not 2 processor and i mean it runs ok ,but compared to the 360 lets be a realistic... thats a gaming console

[martijnn]

PC is gonna beat consoles, watch my words.

[DJ_on_a_Hill]

PC is gonna beat consoles, watch my words.

Eventually... as this always happens. But then a new console will come out wich beats all PC...then a newer PC comes out and so on and so on. It's the cycle with technology.

[zonda_lover]

yes but the Pc came first so infact the pc will always be better then the console :P :nono:

[martijnn]

The pc got's refreshing hardware, consoles don't. Only in 5 years.

[ChewbaccaIV]

The pc got's refreshing hardware, consoles don't. Only in 5 years.
Right, but, I pay 400 bucks for my 360 now and play games for 5 years without having to worry about buying extra hardware for better graphics because the developers try their best to squeeze that extra amount of power out of my console. On the other hand, a PC becomes obsolete in 1 and a half or 2 years (Powerwise when compared to the new technologies), so you have to pay more than twice for your top of the line computer and replace hardware every 2 years.
Sooooooooo, I'm paying 400 bucks now and playing for 5 years, while you have to pay a lot more just to get a bit of graphical improvements on the same game because nowadays multi-platform is the way to go.
Seems like im making the right choice from this point of view, right?

[ChewbaccaIV]

yes but the Pc came first so infact the pc will always be better then the console :P :nono:
weirdblue ok, so the toaster will always be better than the microwave right?

[FlameEmperor]

Lock please Tenebra/Understudy/that other guy ( mdr1 ).
That other guy is Fluxx

[KoenigViper]

lol...your pc is not as good as the 360. There will not be a pc that betters the 360 for another year or so.
Aren't we the idiot....

You guys are so misinformed and console-biased, it isn't funny.

Upgrading your computer every year is your decision, and you DON'T have to do it.

Some of you fools forget 1 thing. Gaming Machines usually always meet a game's minimum requirements. When you buy a mid-ranged gaming machine, it usually does 1 thing. It has enough power to meet a game's recommended.

You say, you have to upgrade for the next stuff.
Hmm, I don't.

Most games these days usually have the same minimum requirements and recommended requirements. So given my PC can meet these minimum requirements, the only upgrading I do is adding memory which last time I checked, isn't costing me $400.
As for any graphics, debate, put it to bed. The X360 does not kill any PC.

As for our PC prices, guess what. We've got internet, programs, free online games, and a whole lot more. Until the Xbox 360 can do everything a PC can, the PC will always top the Xbox 360.

[ChewbaccaIV]

1. I never said you had to upgrade your pc in one year.
2. Running a game with the minimum requirements will give you excellent performance at minimum or medium graphic quality.

In two years the computer you are using right now will not be able to perform in the same way it is right now with the current games you are playing and thats a fact.
Also, I dont mind about the internet, programs, etc... because I buy a console to play and nothing more, and the main reason you buy a high spec PC right now is to play games, because I dont think the little animated clip in microsoft word is going to look any better with a 256 mb graphics card.
Also, by having a console, I dont have to worry about viruses (Up until now), so my performance will not diminish over time due to the inevitable access to modding sites as well as porn.
For all those silly habits, I can use the Dell which only costs $300.

So, I figured out that there's more +'s than -'s when you compare console gaming to pc gaming, and if you dissagree, I would love to read your reasoning.

[martijnn]

Only big plusses for the simgamers. The real simulations are only on PC. You just can't fly a plane well with a controller rolleyesa On a computer you can mod things, you can chat with friends and many, many more. You have nice programs that allows to play without cd/dvd to minimaze scratches and defectives. And you have really good hardware on the pc.

[Marinerman1979]

Aren't we the idiot....

You guys are so misinformed and console-biased, it isn't funny.

Upgrading your computer every year is your decision, and you DON'T have to do it.

Some of you fools forget 1 thing. Gaming Machines usually always meet a game's minimum requirements. When you buy a mid-ranged gaming machine, it usually does 1 thing. It has enough power to meet a game's recommended.

You say, you have to upgrade for the next stuff.
Hmm, I don't.

Most games these days usually have the same minimum requirements and recommended requirements. So given my PC can meet these minimum requirements, the only upgrading I do is adding memory which last time I checked, isn't costing me $400.
As for any graphics, debate, put it to bed. The X360 does not kill any PC.

As for our PC prices, guess what. We've got internet, programs, free online games, and a whole lot more. Until the Xbox 360 can do everything a PC can, the PC will always top the Xbox 360.


lol...you are badly misinformed.

[Marinerman1979]

1. I never said you had to upgrade your pc in one year.
2. Running a game with the minimum requirements will give you excellent performance at minimum or medium graphic quality.

In two years the computer you are using right now will not be able to perform in the same way it is right now with the current games you are playing and thats a fact.
Also, I dont mind about the internet, programs, etc... because I buy a console to play and nothing more, and the main reason you buy a high spec PC right now is to play games, because I dont think the little animated clip in microsoft word is going to look any better with a 256 mb graphics card.
Also, by having a console, I dont have to worry about viruses (Up until now), so my performance will not diminish over time due to the inevitable access to modding sites as well as porn.
For all those silly habits, I can use the Dell which only costs $300.

So, I figured out that there's more +'s than -'s when you compare console gaming to pc gaming, and if you dissagree, I would love to read your reasoning.


you are talking to a guy who thinks his pc is grand compared to the 360...despite the fact that no PC is grand..lol


PC fanboys cr@ck me up.

[davie18]

Hey, can this be the topic for all the PC users to keep their frustrations to, and beg for a PC demo? This topic was a great idea!

[the_gaming_guy]

Any type of fanboys cr@ck me up.

I'm a console gamer, but that doesn't mean I hate PC gamers. I could easily be a PC gamer, and I might become one 1 day when I earn some money. But right now, as a "kid" I prefer consoles. I respect PC gamers though.

^The above message is not BS^

[davie18]

Well I am a PC gamer. On PC I play counterstrike: source, half life 2, I'll be playing half life 2 episode 2 when it comes out, Garry's mod, BF2, Day of Defeat: source, and of course World of Warcraft.

So I am a PC gamer, just these PC gamers don't seem to be giving Atari any respect for making a great game what so ever. It's kinda like the price drop in America, the probably think that Atari/Eden hate PC gamers, when they don't.

[ChrisKob11]

Moehhaha I'm a Console gamer and a PC gamer. So I don't miss anything :) I have an Xbox and a friend of my has a 360 the rest don't interests me except the Wii

[stalker700]

Let's Not turn this into an PC - x360 discussion, it never ends well. I have both and enjoy them both. Play some games on the PC, others on the x360.

[Bingham67]

Graphics on 360 are well better then pc take pgr 3 for instance so much better then any game ive played on pc graphically.

If you play GRAW on PC then Play it on 360 you can really see the difference between them graphically the PC version looks rubbish 360 version looks nice.

And not like i have a rubbish system

Amd Athlon Dual Core 4400+ clocked to 2.4ghz
Asus A8n sli motherboard
Leadtek 7800gtx
2gb Corsair 3200

However when dx10 comes out and if you seen vids of Crysis its amazing so PC is going to improve and will catch up with 360 graphics. :)

[Eagle_Legend]

But still the 360 is a gaming console and the pc's not. Pc's s*ck when it comes to installing and sh*t, that's why i bought a console.

[LabaLaba]

Graphics on 360 are well better then pc take pgr 3 for instance so much better then any game ive played on pc graphically.

If you play GRAW on PC then Play it on 360 you can really see the difference between them graphically the PC version looks rubbish 360 version looks nice.

And not like i have a rubbish system

Amd Athlon Dual Core 4400+ clocked to 2.4ghz
Asus A8n sli motherboard
Leadtek 7800gtx
2gb Corsair 3200

However when dx10 comes out and if you seen vids of Crysis its amazing so PC is going to improve and will catch up with 360 graphics. :)

PC has better graphics and better framerate than the X360. If you have a good pc.

[the_gaming_guy]

But still the 360 is a gaming console and the pc's not. Pc's s*ck when it comes to installing and sh*t, that's why i bought a console.

Dear god.....*shakes head*

He's done it now........

[Bingham67]

PC has better graphics and better framerate than the X360. If you have a good pc.

Dont give me so much rubbish framerate yes arguably but the graphics are not stretched enough on PC. 360 wipes it to the floor show me a decent game that compares to pgr 3 graphically especially the garage area aswell.

You seen my system that pretty decent and nothing out there at moment will look graphically better then 360 although DX10 will.

A PC is better in other means but not graphically at the moment that is for certain DX10 yes not now though nothing on the market does.

PS- Get yourself a HDTV and if you havnt a 360 and stick it up next to pc and please show me a game that compares id like to see what.

[the_gaming_guy]

STOP THIS NOW. :mad:

[Bingham67]

Oh ye i forgot to add you seen gears of war now compare that to anything on pc got to laugh nothing beats some games.

Ports yes same graphics not new games thats for sure Direct X 10 will wee all over 360/PS3 that when graphics get good on PC until then nothing touches it.

[davie18]

Will you stop talking about graphics as if they're the main thing behind a game, cause guess what? Graphics don't make games good. Yes, they improve the game, but if you have a game with amazing graphics and everything else is poo, no one will buy it.

[Bingham67]

Will you stop talking about graphics as if they're the main thing behind a game, cause guess what? Graphics don't make games good. Yes, they improve the game, but if you have a game with amazing graphics and everything else is poo, no one will buy it.

But im arguing his point about graphics being better on PC gameplay is another factor and yes it is very important.

Whats your point PGR3 delivers gameplay and graphics in one so dont see what your getting at really im arguing about graphics because i feel he clearly wrong.

[davie18]

Graphics are important, but they aren't the most important. Look at World of Warcraft, possibly one of the best games ever to come out, does that have good graphics? No.

[the_gaming_guy]

PacMan rocks.

[Bingham67]

Graphics are important, but they aren't the most important. Look at World of Warcraft, possibly one of the best games ever to come out, does that have good graphics? No.

Yes but LabaLaba said this "PC has better graphics and better framerate than the X360. If you have a good pc."

I feel he is wrong and arguing the case not talking about gameplay.

It nice to have superb graphics and gameplay imo and i dont see anything to compare PGR3 and although not out yet Gears of War graphically on PC.

[LabaLaba]

Yes but LabaLaba said this "PC has better graphics and better framerate than the X360. If you have a good pc."

I feel he is wrong and arguing the case not talking about gameplay.

It nice to have superb graphics and gameplay imo and i dont see anything to compare PGR3 and although not out yet Gears of War graphically on PC.
Don't get me wrong I have a X360 and PGR3 and a 42'' HDTV screen. But the X360 can only make what 1280x720p at 24 frames per second, as my pc I can play games at 1600x1400 or 1280x1024p with 64frames per second. So overall PC's have better graphics, but a good one will cost a fortune.

[Bingham67]

Don't get me wrong I have a X360 and PGR3 and a 42'' HDTV screen. But the X360 can only make what 1280x720p at 24 frames per second, as my pc I can play games at 1600x1400 or 1280x1024p with 64frames per second. So overall PC's have better graphics, but a good one will cost a fortune.

They have better resolution not graphics quality. :wink:

DX10 yes not now is PC game quality texture better then that on PGR3 sorry but that is wrong.

[LabaLaba]

They have better resolution not graphics quality. :wink:

DX10 yes not now is PC game quality texture better then that on PGR3 sorry but that is wrong.
Go play Oblivion on PC and you'll understand. Anything that can be done in a Xbox360 can be done with a PC. I can even play X360 games on my PC. PC has better graphics, better quality of graphics and much much much much much more possibilities.

[Bingham67]

Go play Oblivion on PC and you'll understand. Anything that can be done in a Xbox360 can be done with a PC. I can even play X360 games on my PC. PC has better graphics, better quality of graphics and much much much much much more possibilities.

Yes but Oblivion is a port from PC more possibiltys yes but graphic texture does not compare to PGR3 like ive been saying ports you cant compare.

Edit: and for the record ive played oblivion specs are on other page. :)

[LabaLaba]

Yes but Oblivion is a port from PC more possibiltys yes but graphic texture does not compare to PGR3 like ive been saying ports you cant compare.
The texture isn't up to the machine. It's about the games not machines texture quality. PC's can handle much more texture quality. I think that the PC and X360 versions of TDU will have same quality textures but on PC you can play with bigger graphics and with a better framerate.

All Xbox360 would explode trying to play FS2004 with 30gigs of downloads.

[Bingham67]

The texture isn't up to the machine. It's about the games not machines texture quality. PC's can handle much more texture quality. I think that the PC and X360 versions of TDU will have same quality textures but on PC you can play with bigger graphics and with a better framerate.

All Xbox360 would explode trying to play FS2004 with 30gigs of downloads.

You are saying graphics are better when they are celarly not though PGR 3 graphics look better then any pc game out may not framerate wise or resolution but the graphics are better.

Now your heading to other points im not disputing that a pc cant do more stuff it can im arguing your point about you think graphics are better when they are not only framerate.

Watch the video of Gears of War and tell me what PC game looks like that. ?

[LabaLaba]

You are saying graphics are better when they are celarly not though PGR 3 graphics look better then any pc game out may not framerate wise or resolution but the graphics are better.

Now your heading to other points im not disputing that a pc cant do more stuff it can im arguing your point about you think graphics are better when they are not only framerate.

Watch the video of Gears of War and tell me what PC game looks like that. ?
Are you seriouly saying that PGR3 is better in graphics quality than any PC game. That's just sad.

Back to topic: I think that they will have to first do the PC beta before the demo comes out so it may take a while.

[Bingham67]

Are you seriouly saying that PGR3 is better in graphics quality than any PC game. That's just sad.

Back to topic: I think that they will have to first do the PC beta before the demo comes out so it may take a while.

Yes it is graphically much nicer then any pc game come on surely you can see that for yourself when you are playing the detail on the cars goto the garage look at the cars.

Now take Gears of War look at the textures much nicer sorry but nothing compares to it at the moment its not sad its the truth.

Fight Night round 3 detail of the boxers i can go on and on with the games yet i see no comeback.

DX10 is when graphics change on PC

Also list a racing game on pc that looks exactly the same as PGR3 we dont have one for that fact that it wont run graphics like that on latest cards.

[KoenigViper]

lol...you are badly misinformed.
This coming from an idiot who fails to give any facts.
Please, bring your head out of your ***.
If you're going to challenge someone, bring some debate, moron. And don't talk about fanboys. This board has enough X360 fanboys itself.

As for Chew, you do make a good point. However, I've had 2 other comps for quite a few years. While they aren't in the same condition as when I bought them, they aren't that bad. I got 1 gaming machine in '04. The only upgrading I've done is getting more memory for the hard drive.

Martijnn is absolutely right about sims. The PC is the god of simulators and I doubt you're going to see the X360 get anywhere as good.


Gears of War, psh. Go look at the Crysis engine then tell me Gears of War looks better. The crappy thing about the X360 is a lot of its games are becoming computer ports so all they're doing is allowing you to see the games as they "should" without a gaming PC. Prey didn't look any better on my X360 than it did on the PC. And as LabaLaba said, I'll give the X360 credit when it can start letting me edit my gaming files for more experience and allow people to take a game like San Andreas and make it into a mulit-player game.

Gears of Wars graphics are great yeah, but it's many thanks to that "glowing effect" X360 developers put into it.
Crysis however, is a different story.
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/694/694190/imgs_1.html
Show me the X360 reaching that potential cause I don't see it happening anytime soon.

[Bingham67]

This coming from an idiot who fails to give any facts.
Please, bring your head out of your ***.
If you're going to challenge someone, bring some debate, moron. And don't talk about fanboys. This board has enough X360 fanboys itself.

As for Chew, you do make a good point. However, I've had 2 other comps for quite a few years. While they aren't in the same condition as when I bought them, they aren't that bad. I got 1 gaming machine in '04. The only upgrading I've done is getting more memory for the hard drive.

Martijnn is absolutely right about sims. The PC is the god of simulators and I doubt you're going to see the X360 get anywhere as good.


Gears of War, psh. Go look at the Crysis engine then tell me Gears of War looks better. The crappy thing about the X360 is a lot of its games are becoming computer ports so all they're doing is allowing you to see the games as they "should" without a gaming PC. Prey didn't look any better on my X360 than it did on the PC. And as LabaLaba said, I'll give the X360 credit when it can start letting me edit my gaming files for more experience and allow people to take a game like San Andreas and make it into a mulit-player game.

I give up im argueing on issues of graphics quality ive stated ton of times that Dx10 will be better of course it will. But nothing graphically at the moment on pc is as good as say PGR 3 and Gears of War graphics that is my case i am only arguing.

Laba Laba said graphics at moment are better then they are on 360 sorry its wrong like i said above framrate yes graphics no you cant say that Fight Night Round 3, Gears of War, PGR 3 is graphically as good as pc

Now take Fifa if our cards could take it then why does it look rubbish on PC yet excellent on 360. ?

Now DX10 like ive said all along will of course be the winner but today 360 graphics beat what ive seen on pc im arguing graphics not that it can hold so and so gigs.

[KoenigViper]

I'm sorry. It's not fair for me to compare Crysis to Gears of War because Crysis' DX10 isn't out, yet neither is Gears?

Shut the hell up with your X360 bias that I can't compare a product not out, but you can.

PGR3 is surpassed. It was a launch title, so it was never surprising to see the PC take over. Most Wanted even had a realer atmosphere than PGR3.

[Bingham67]

I'm sorry. It's not fair for me to compare Crysis to Gears of War because Crysis' DX10 isn't out, yet neither is Gears?

Shut the hell up with your X360 bias that I can't compare a product not out, but you can.

PGR3 is surpassed. It was a launch title, so it was never surprising to see the PC take over. Most Wanted even had a realer atmosphere than PGR3.

Please get your facts right im arguing laba Laba point he is saying now graphics are better then pc sorry but face the facts.

And i aint no fan boy in the slightest ive had sony all before 360 is my first Xbox console and i have a decent PC so i can fairly give my opinion.

[KoenigViper]

I have my facts straight. You said, "Watch the video of Gears of War and tell me what PC game looks like that?"

Crysis does. And neither are out.

[Bingham67]

Yes but i was arguing the point sorry i think ive got mixed up into 2 argument here i was arguing with Labba Labba i feel he is clearly wrong.

I saw your post about it and thought you was supporting what labba labba feels the graphics are better now which is wrong imo.

Your right though yes Crysis is on par with Gears of War although your have gears of war in a few months possibly. :)

[LabaLaba]

It's about the game and the amount of polys how the game looks. And PGR3 has alot of polys because it has nothing else than cars and tracks so there is alot of space on the disk to do more polys in one car. If PGR3 would be out on PC it would be better than on 360.
The PC can handle better graphics. You are talking about a game not about the machines.
PC has alot more potential!!!!!!!!!!

[Bingham67]

It's about the game and the amount of polys how the game looks. And PGR3 has alot of polys because it has nothing else than cars and tracks so there is alot of space on the disk to do more polys in one car. If PGR3 would be out on PC it would be better than on 360.
The PC can handle better graphics. You are talking about a game not about the machines.
PC has alot more potential!!!!!!!!!!

Why isnt fifa graphics on PC now same as 360 fact is latest gen cards cant handle it after all 360 is dubbed Direct X 9.5.

Whilst DX10 will sorry face the fact im arguing about graphics not potential.

[bjorn21]

i have a Xbox360 but dont 20 GB HDD :noooo: :cry: :cry:

[stalker700]

You do know that all we have seen of crysis is Dx9? And it's not fair to compare Screenshots of a game to a game thats already out. When the Dx10 version of Crysis comes it will look even better than it does now.

I might be wrong about the newest screens but i'm pretty sure the first ones were Dx9.

[Bingham67]

You do know that all we have seen of crysis is Dx9? And it's not fair to compare Screenshots of a game to a game thats already out. When the Dx10 version of Crysis comes it will look even better than it does now.

I might be wrong about the newest screens but i'm pretty sure the first ones were Dx9.

Will see it is scheduled to run on direct x9 but im arguing the point that Laba laba said graphics are the same when really there is no games the same only ports at the moment.

I doubt it will run well on latest cards though framerate issues will be bad.

DX10 will change things their been all sorts of reports Quad SLI will be needed to run DX10 games proper. You can get Gears of War just the same pratically months earlier there 2 different things and each have advantages in there own rights 360 has better graphics ie looks better games at the moment pc is more versatile can do better thing but eventually will have new technology better graphics because technology changes.

[the_gaming_guy]

PCs have capabilities to play games which look better than a 360.

It all depends on how the game was developed. Games which were designed for the PC will look and play great. Games that been made for the PC after consoles usually suffer from lower quality.

[Bingham67]

PCs have capabilities to play games which look better than a 360.

It all depends on how the game was developed. Games which were designed for the PC will look and play great. Games that been made for the PC after consoles usually suffer from lower quality.

Possibly true but fact is why is there no games. ?

Why does fifa look terrible on pc graphically yet awesome on 360 if it was compatible things dont add up.

I still rest my case on the games ive mentioned there is none that come near graphically at moment on pc minus ports.

We are talknig about next year for it to change and games to look as good 360/PS3 abit far off if they are able now.

[LabaLaba]

PCs have capabilities to play games which look better than a 360.

It all depends on how the game was developed. Games which were designed for the PC will look and play great. Games that been made for the PC after consoles usually suffer from lower quality.
GG you just always find the right words. Exactly my point.
Thanks for making it clearer :)

[KoenigViper]

Possibly true but fact is why is there no games. ?

Why does fifa look terrible on pc graphically yet awesome on 360 if it was compatible things dont add up.

I still rest my case on the games ive mentioned there is none that come near graphically at moment on pc minus ports.

We are talknig about next year for it to change and games to look as good 360/PS3 abit far off if they are able now.
Compared to what? The Unreal 3 Engine looks amazing on the PC, and much better than PGR3. Hell, Prey looked nicer on the PC than PGR3. On the X360, it was a bit equalled. But given the darkness, it's a bit hard to compare. FEAR looked really great on my PC and much better and detailed than PGR3.

[the_gaming_guy]

Possibly true but fact is why is there no games. ?

Why does fifa look terrible on pc graphically yet awesome on 360 if it was compatible things dont add up.

I still rest my case on the games ive mentioned there is none that come near graphically at moment on pc minus ports.

We are talknig about next year for it to change and games to look as good 360/PS3 abit far off if they are able now.

No games - Untrue?

Fifa for the PC was in no way a priority. It cost like £20 cos it wasn't developed superbly. EA is always like that. PC comes last.

ALSO: stop comparing PGR3 to everything. It's not rivalling any PC game so your arguement is invalid.

[Bingham67]

Compared to what? The Unreal 3 Engine looks amazing on the PC, and much better than PGR3. Hell, Prey looked nicer on the PC than PGR3. On the X360, it was a bit equalled. But given the darkness, it's a bit hard to compare. FEAR looked really great on my PC and much better and detailed than PGR3.

But Unreal 3 is not out im talking about now this minute not future. :)

Ive stated next year it will be better but this minute nothing is better graphically on PC game wise to PGR 3, Fight Night 3 etc etc.

[stalker700]

Well he can stick to his fantasy world where xbox360 is the best. We know that it's not true and that should be enough.

[KoenigViper]

But Unreal 3 is not out im talking about now this minute not future. :)

Ive stated next year it will be better but this minute nothing is better graphically on PC game wise to PGR 3, Fight Night 3 etc etc.
I'm talking about the engine. If you haven't notice, a few games are already using. Hell, the Doom 3 engine looked nicer than Fight Night and PGR3.

[Bingham67]

No games - Untrue?

Fifa for the PC was in no way a priority. It cost like £20 cos it wasn't developed superbly. EA is always like that. PC comes last.

ALSO: stop comparing PGR3 to everything. It's not rivalling any PC game so your arguement is invalid.

Do we want abit more then PGR 3, ok

Gears of War slated for realese before DX10, Fight Night Round 3, Moto GP looks better then pc version if develoeprs could of made graphics better but they havnt which makes 360 graphics better at moment.

Im saying the fact is no game compare now to 360 graphic power im not arguing future cant you get it i mean now at the moment what this argument is all about.

Yes you maybe able to customise more blah blah but comes down to graphics nothing can compare now.

[Bingham67]

I'm talking about the engine. If you haven't notice, a few games are already using. Hell, the Doom 3 engine looked nicer than Fight Night and PGR3.

haha dont make me laugh sorry no way does it.

haha no way does doom 3 maybe Unreal Tournament 2007 but not now.

[stalker700]

Just because some games aren't out yet, it dosen't mean they don't exist. Since you seem to have trouble understanding some things, let's just put it like this. Crysis exists and look better, The x360 is beaten.

[Bingham67]

Just because some games aren't out yet, it dosen't man they don't exist. Since you seem to have trouble understanding some things, let's just put it like this. Crysis exists and look better, The x360 is beaten.

But i dont think you understand this arguement orginated saying PC has better graphics then 360 well clearly not because i see no game released today that has better graphics then 360 maybe close but still far off.

Like ive said all along the future yes of course DX10 etc will of course end up beating it but for graphics 360 for the moment is the clear winner that is my point.

And sorry i wish to argue no more we clearly have different view right or wrong we are going round in circles.

[KoenigViper]

If you honestly think PGR3 looks better than PC games even given it's a launch title, you need to see a doctor. Fight Night might look as good as a PC, but PGR3. Hell no.

[KoenigViper]

Most Wanted:
Whose the PC and whose the Xbox 360?
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/303/reviews/927142_20051031_screen001.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/320/reviews/927143_20051117_screen008.jpg

[Bingham67]

If you honestly think PGR3 looks better than PC games even given it's a launch title, you need to see a doctor. Fight Night might look as good as a PC, but PGR3. Hell no.

Ok then tell me a racing game that looks the same as PGR 3 on PC. ?

If PC has the power through graphics then why has no racing games on pc looked better. ?

Now i wish to rest my case as we clearly have 2 different views and are going round in circles so might aswell give it a rest now.

Edit: Have you actually played both console and PC version of Need for Speed they are exactly the same bugger screenshots Ea Buggy title that could only use 1 core if you use dual got to laugh. :laugh:

All there is imo is ports that look the same between the 2 oh well.

[KoenigViper]

I have. PGR3 looks good because it looks FAKE.
Real-Life:
http://www.lemansmodelfanclub.org/sarannofamosi/fia_gt_monza0000.jpg
GTR2:
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/129/931477_20060510_screen001.jpg
PGR3:
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/321/reviews/927245_20051118_screen020.jpg

Want to know why PC sims look better? Because they look realer. I look at race track in real life, I'll see something near GTR2, not PGR3. PGR3 gets its graphics through such a fake-looking world.

[stalker700]

Your avoiding his question. Which of them is x360 and which is PC? Since you know all about the almighty and superior power of the x360, you should be able to tell whit No difficulty.

[Bingham67]

hhaahahhahaah sorry i have the demo of GTR 2 running full and dosnt look like the graphics of PGR 3 nor that screenshot does and the world around it looks horrible.

Like the worst screenshots you can have did you know that screenshots are compressed so they take away the real look man pgr 3 dosnt look like that in game deary me both rubbish screens.

Now go and get me some of your own from the game please.

[stalker700]

Well maybe you forget one fact that your PC isen't the best on the market is it? And you say that PGR dosen't look that way in the game? dosen't that mean that GTR 2 dosen't look that way either? Or is there a mystical force that makes all the GTR 2 pictures look Better than the real product?

[KoenigViper]

You missed the point you ignorant turd.

The reason GTR2 doesn't "look" as good is because it strives for realism in the graphics.

If you think PGR3 looks like real life, then you've been near your TV too much. That's ONLY reason PGR3 looks good. It's FAKE, the world, and textures, no buildings look that good in real life. I can see road textures in GTR2 unlike PGR3.

And that's a GTR2 shot and PGR3 shot. You can take your ignornance and shove it where your head is. Up your ***.

[Bingham67]

Well maybe you forget one fact that your PC isen't the best on the market is it? And you say that PGR dosen't look that way in the game? dosen't that mean that GTR 2 dosen't look that way either? Or is there a mystical force that makes all the GTR 2 pictures look Better than the real product?

That screenshot is not from in game i know for sure ive also seen other peoples system and screenshots and looks nothing like that screenshot.

[KoenigViper]

Your avoiding his question. Which of them is x360 and which is PC? Since you know all about the almighty and superior power of the x360, you should be able to tell whit No difficulty.
He won't because he doesn't know. That or he's checking GameSpot which now makes the question pointless.

He didn't know without checking.

[KoenigViper]

That screenshot is not from in game i know for sure ive also seen other peoples system and screenshots and looks nothing like that screenshot.
Well, there's the thing. It's a DEMO. You don't know for sure because you're saying it to make you sound like you know what you're on about.

[Bingham67]

He won't because he doesn't know. That or he's checking GameSpot which now makes the question pointless.

He didn't know without checking.

It dosnt matter there a port anyway who cares if you played both of them your see there the same graphically because its a port.

I mean other games nothing compares to PGR 3 graphically on 360 the cars look so much nicer on PGR 3 then GTR 2 seriously what tv do you play on.

My fact still remain no PC racing game to this date matches some of the 360 games graphics power.

I give up and ill end there how can i compare something when they are graphically the same hardly a fair test lol.

[stalker700]

Let's agree, He's ignorant and won't consider facts. Thats about it, nothing we can do to help him.

[KoenigViper]

It dosnt matter there a port anyway who cares if you played both of them your see there the same graphically because its a port.

I mean other games nothing compares to PGR 3 graphically on 360 the cars look so much nicer on pGR 3 then GTR 2 seriousl what tv do you play on.

I give up and ill end there how can i compare something when they are graphically the same hardly a fair test lol.
You said the X360 has far better graphics and that PCs come close but not far enough. That would mean Most Wanted on the PC doesn't.

You can't even tell the difference nor make it a guess. You don't know because you know the PC matched it.

Even Flight Simulator looks better.
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2003/screen1/589619_20030609_screen005.jpg
And it's from freaking 2004!

[Bingham67]

Let's agree, He's ignorant and won't consider facts. Thats about it, nothing we can do to help him.

LOL how rich coming from you ive stated what i have to say how can you compare NFS anyway its a port have you played on them both.

I tell you one thing though EA are so lazy they cant code for dual core in NFS and they couldnt in BF2 god help them.

[stalker700]

Let's not start saying things that we might regret later.

[Bingham67]

You said the X360 has far better graphics and that PCs come close but not far enough. That would mean
And it's from freaking 2004!

Your comparing a port i said earlier if you bothered to read apart from ports as they are the same.

Im comparing other games because the PC hasnt matched it but will next year.

Face it PGR 3 looks way better then FS2004 seriously how can you compare lol.

Do you actually own a 360 play the game look in the garage man it eats up games out at the moment graphics wise on PC.

My point is 360 a selection of its games look better then whats on the market for PC game wise not talking about the future im talking now i was arguing Laba Laba point in first place.

[KoenigViper]

Maybe because PGR3 is FAKE?

God, you are stupid. The X360 looks good because it FAKES everything up. The graphics look good because they don't strive for realism.

Show me an Xbox 360 game that looks like real life or even close. You can't and that's where the PC tops it.

I look for game that looks like my world, not with bright, Fake-*** graphics. Which screenshot looks like the real world, the colors, and what not? FS or PGR3?

FS because the world is not full of cars that glow bright red like PGR3.

[the_gaming_guy]

I love the Xbox 360 but I'm no FANBOY.

I still believe that the PC is better in many ways despite being a console gamer.

@ Bingham: You annoy me.

[SVT_MAN]

I can't believe people are even arguing about this. Consoles are just computers in a little package anyway. It doesn't matter. This battle never, ever ends. Which do I prefer? I prefer PC gaming because it allows more customization and generally higher resolution graphics since you're sitting a few inches from the monitor. Does that make it better? Not necessarily. They're still both computers. I don't see the point in arguing about this.

And, just as an FYI, GTR2 will always have better graphics than PGR3 because it aims at being a simluator. PGR3 is all stylized and gimmicky. Some people like seeing that, but I'm not one of them. It comes down to what you prefer.

[Eagle_Legend]

Your comparing a port i said earlier if you bothered to read apart from ports as they are the same.

Im comparing other games because the PC hasnt matched it but will next year.

Face it PGR 3 looks way better then FS2004 seriously how can you compare lol.

Do you actually own a 360 play the game look in the garage man it eats up games out at the moment graphics wise on PC.

My point is 360 a selection of its games look better then whats on the market for PC game wise not talking about the future im talking now i was arguing Laba Laba point in first place.

I totally agree on that one.

@ KoenigViper: about FS2004, that pic is cr*p, did you even look at the clouds, and the graphics on the left side of the clouds. Btw, NFS:MW isn't the best example to represent the graphics of the 360.

[KoenigViper]

Real life:
http://topauto.free.fr/fm2/F430.29.jpg
PGR3:
http://www.planet-xbox.de/images/screenshots/xbox360preview/pgr3/pgr3-14g.jpg

There's your reason. If the Xbox360 games actually tried to look like the real world, they would never look as good.

[Bingham67]

Maybe because PGR3 is FAKE?

God, you are stupid. The X360 looks good because it FAKES everything up. The graphics look good because they don't strive for realism.

Show me an Xbox 360 game that looks like real life or even close. You can't and that's where the PC tops it.

I look for game that looks like my world, not with bright, Fake-*** graphics. Which screenshot looks like the real world, the colors, and what not? FS or PGR3?

FS because the world is not full of cars that glow bright red like PGR3.

Who cares if fake graphically i hardly say its fake either its look much nicer.

GTR 2 is a sim but its let down graphically i agree good game and true to life but graphics are not real esepcially the surroundings.

Now we could take Forza 2 i bet my cotton dollar it will look better then GTR 2 oh ye here a pic from the demo no way does this look like PGR 3.

My point is there is nothing on pc which compares to a few 360 games what are not ports.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/bwolf06/gtr2.jpg

[the_gaming_guy]

Demo? You know what that is right? Not the final version? Like TDU?

[KoenigViper]

I totally agree on that one.

@ KoenigViper: about FS2004, that pic is cr*p, did you even look at the clouds, and the graphics on the left side of the clouds. Btw, NFS:MW isn't the best example to represent the graphics of the 360.
If it's ****, hate to see PGR3. BTW, don't talk about the clouds. PGR3's don't look anything better.

You guys can stick a fake-looking world. I'll stick to games that actually are like reality.

[KoenigViper]

Who cares if fake graphically i hardly say its fake either its look much nicer.

GTR 2 is a sim but its let down graphically i agree good game and true to life but graphics are not real esepcially the surroundings.

Now we could take Forza 2 i bet my cotton dollar it will look better then GTR 2 oh ye here a pic from the demo no way does this look like PGR 3.

My point is there is nothing on pc which compares to a few 360 games what are not ports.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/bwolf06/gtr2.jpg
Because it doesn't look fake. That's why GTR2 looks better.
And again, demo. And game isn't out. If you want to go back to that, I'll start showing Crysis again.

[Bingham67]

http://www.hg1digital.com/screens/File-aa-0023.jpg

PGR 3 i rest my case also id love to see if the PC version is going to be same as 360 graphically of TDU. :)

[KoenigViper]

A car doesn't glow like that in real life you idiot. And you're avoiding my proven case. In terms of realism, PGR3 is ****.

[Bingham67]

But face it we can talk about GTR then no game compares to 360 imo on PC whats out at the moment. :)

[the_gaming_guy]

Wait, that MC12 would not look like that in reality.

[Bingham67]

A car doesn't glow like that in real life you idiot. And you're avoiding my proven case. In terms of realism, PGR3 is ****.

Yes you are correct but not my point graphics are better we can take fight night round 3 closest to realism boxing there is.

There plenty of games look better. :)

[the_gaming_guy]

Why are you changing games?

[Bingham67]

Why are you changing games?

Im not ive stated all along a selection of games are different and PGR looks much better why because it can handle it face it if the latest cards could handle it there would of been much better looking gmaes yonks ago.

Well thats me finished ignoring topic i think we gone int o enough detail wil lend there please so this forum dosnt get to wasted.

[KoenigViper]

Yes you are correct but not my point graphics are better we can take fight night round 3 closest to realism boxing there is.

There plenty of games look better. :)
Exactly. That's the only reason a X360 game would look better. Because it fakes reality. If it actually strived for realism, it'd be a better comparison.

But games on the PC don't fake a reality like PGR3.

[the_gaming_guy]

What? Use punctuation! All I can see is blah blah blah......

BTW: I can't believe I'm defending PCs over 360s!

[Bingham67]

So answer me this why if PC can looks better then no other games have looked better on PC apart from ports up until now.

Now i guess your probs say Doom 3 but come on cant compare that old hat.

[the_gaming_guy]

PC games are different to console games. FULL STOP.

Look at this: .

It's a Full stop. Period. Leave it. End of. No one will leave this alone so I'm stopping it on behalf of the devs.

[Bingham67]

Well i was going to leave it earlier but now im certainly leaving it.

[the_woozle]

Well thats me finished ignoring topic i think we gone int o enough detail wil lend there please so this forum dosnt get to wasted.

Ahh, wait, what happened to this! I liked this response. You should live up to your word otherwise no one will respect you.

[Bingham67]

Ahh, wait, what happened to this! I liked this response. You should live up to your word otherwise no one will respect you.

Stop trying to relight the fire and take digs i have my view ive siad what i have to say thats all i have to say i feel im right you feel your right ok.

I am not backing out i am trying to be diplomatic otherwise we will go round in circles.

[the_woozle]

I am not backing out i am trying to be diplomatic otherwise we will go round in circles.

Finally a sensible conclusion, only 30 posts too late. I suppose that respect I mentioned was already long gone.

It's good that everyone might finally get the point though, that you like what you like and they like what they like.

Can it be as simple as that..? :mefiant:

[Vieon]

A car doesn't glow like that in real life you idiot. And you're avoiding my proven case. In terms of realism, PGR3 is ****.

Lets not lower ourselves to personal insults ese.

[svtcobra04]

lol...your pc is not as good as the 360. There will not be a pc that betters the 360 for another year or so.

10sur10 on making yourself look like an idiot. dont talk about pc's as you obviously dont know jack ****, my pc which is a year old, will own the **** out of a 360 so i think its safe to say you can stfu now and never use a pc again.

[Marinerman1979]

HAHAHA. I see that Koenig is acting like a little prikc. I gues he can't argue with someone without insulting them. If he had any case at all, he would had presented it without resorting to petty insults.

PC fanboys are the worst.

[Marinerman1979]

10sur10 on making yourself look like an idiot. dont talk about pc's as you obviously dont know jack ****, my pc which is a year old, will own the **** out of a 360 so i think its safe to say you can stfu now and never use a pc again.


Your PC cannot touch my xbox360. Hell, none can.


Get out of your delluded state.

[davie18]

A car doesn't glow like that in real life you idiot. And you're avoiding my proven case. In terms of realism, PGR3 is ****.
That is very true what you said, but I think PGR3 is one of the best games on the 360 cause it's fun.

[the_gaming_guy]

You don't need realism for fun.

Unless........Locorocos are REAL? tonguegre

[svtcobra04]

marinerman what kinda pc do have?

[the_woozle]

[QUOTE=Marinerman1979]Your PC cannot touch my xbox360. Hell, none can./QUOTE]

This is not true. rolleyesa

What is true however is that you wouldn't do it for anywhere near the same cost as an x360. Not even ten times the cost actually if we're really talking same performance numbers and not merely a subjective "oooh that looks pretty" comparison.

[Vieon]

Ok. Bigger font it is then.

Stop the personal insults please guys.

[edgegamer]

This thread is funny lol... some of you guys don't know what the heck ur talking about and still keep arguing on your point of views instead of seeing the big picture.. pff. As I said... not all of you guys.

[Diablo_]

Man some people are pathetic, I mean honestly who cares, the 360 has only been out almost a year so no games will take advantage of what the 360 has to offer for about another year or 2. The first few games were only using 1 or 2 cores in fact so what we see right now is not what the 360 is truly capable of. So PC bigots shutup, we know your precious PC is god of sims but the 360 is very comparable for hardly a quarter the price of a decent rig.

They both are good at what they do, they both have people passionate about their respective systems and they both have very good games and do some things better than others, but one is not better than the other.

Also PGR3 does look good, the car models are some of the best seen and driving through Tokyo at night in HD with all the lights shining off your car is truly glorious and then we have GTR, a game based on realism with full damage and crazy sounds. Different games, different approach but good at what they do, one is pure arcade fun and the other is pure sim hell ...but in a good way. So get over yourselves and stop already. Please !

[ChewbaccaIV]

PLus GTR is coming to Xbox 360, so keep your pics until it comes out and then compare.

[KoenigViper]

HAHAHA. I see that Koenig is acting like a little prikc. I gues he can't argue with someone without insulting them. If he had any case at all, he would had presented it without resorting to petty insults.

PC fanboys are the worst.
Hypocrites are the worse. Esp. when you say if I had a case. I'm sorry, and where was your debate at and your info?
Oh right, no where. Thankfully, there's people like Chew, and even Bingham who can bring their own points to the table.

That's twice you've challenged my opinion and gave no info to back up why I was wrong. Sorry, I can't take your X360 fanboyism and lack of actually making a debate against me seriously.

You want to challenge my views? Bring some info to the table. Otherwise, leave the debate to people are bringing out info and making points. We're not here to discuss topics with people who can't back their posts up and only say people are wrong.

You fail. Note in the future to stay out of any topic/debate unless you're going to make a worthy post. Otherwise, you do look like an ignorant fool that people laugh at.

[Bingham67]

I agree at least make an arguement of it like the rest of us were doing Marinerman1979. :)

[zonda_lover]

WTF is this this was about the PC demo ya noobs :p lol why we talking bout whats better haha

[xtermin8or]

Graphics on 360 are well better then pc take pgr 3 for instance so much better then any game ive played on pc graphically.

If you play GRAW on PC then Play it on 360 you can really see the difference between them graphically the PC version looks rubbish 360 version looks nice.

And not like i have a rubbish system

Amd Athlon Dual Core 4400+ clocked to 2.4ghz
Asus A8n sli motherboard
Leadtek 7800gtx
2gb Corsair 3200

However when dx10 comes out and if you seen vids of Crysis its amazing so PC is going to improve and will catch up with 360 graphics. :)

Catch up to X360?? The PC completely demolished any other game on any platform including Xbox 360. There was no game out there better looking than Crysis.

[Marinerman1979]

Hypocrites are the worse. Esp. when you say if I had a case. I'm sorry, and where was your debate at and your info?
Oh right, no where. Thankfully, there's people like Chew, and even Bingham who can bring their own points to the table.

That's twice you've challenged my opinion and gave no info to back up why I was wrong. Sorry, I can't take your X360 fanboyism and lack of actually making a debate against me seriously.

You want to challenge my views? Bring some info to the table. Otherwise, leave the debate to people are bringing out info and making points. We're not here to discuss topics with people who can't back their posts up and only say people are wrong.

You fail. Note in the future to stay out of any topic/debate unless you're going to make a worthy post. Otherwise, you do look like an ignorant fool that people laugh at.


I am sorry, but calling people an idiot then posting a useless screen is not a view.

If you knew half as much as you claimed you did, you would had copared benchmarks between the 360 and a high end pc instead of posting something worthless like a doctored screenshot. I am guessing you are just a kid, and you get upset whenever someone challenges your view. Instead of getting upset, do something useful and bother to post benchmarks. beyond3d can help you out...since you are SOOO correct, it should be hard to back yourself up.

And calling you a prikc is harldy an insult, it is a description of your character,...if you can think of a better description of someone who lobs insults at people who don't agree with him...let me know...

[Marinerman1979]

Catch up to X360?? The PC completely demolished any other game on any platform including Xbox 360. There was no game out there better looking than Crysis.


When did crysis come out???

[KoenigViper]

I am sorry, but calling people an idiot then posting a useless screen is not a view.

If you knew half as much as you claimed you did, you would had copared benchmarks between the 360 and a high end pc instead of posting something worthless like a doctored screenshot. I am guessing you are just a kid, and you get upset whenever someone challenges your view. Instead of getting upset, do something useful and bother to post benchmarks. beyond3d can help you out...since you are SOOO correct, it should be hard to back yourself up.

And calling you a prikc is harldy an insult, it is a description of your character,...if you can think of a better description of someone who lobs insults at people who don't agree with him...let me know...
Um, sorry, you still fail at 1 thing.

You said I was wrong.
You still are and you're still not telling me why I am.

The first time you said I was misinformed. I wasn't because
1) Games do share the near same requirements
2) Upgrading is your decision
3) The computer does have many things the X360 doesn't.

You're only reply was lol, I'm misinformed. Looking like an idiot, you gave no reasons. Only Chew did, and I gave him respect and said he made good points.

The 2nd time, you just insulted me and called me a prick and said I can't take someone taking my views. Um no, I was arguing on graphics that looked real and why PGR3 got where it is because of a fakeness.

I'll call you an idiot all I want if you're just going to say someone's view is wrong and not give any other info.

Idiots do this, you did this, so concluson, you=idiot.
As you said, it's not an insult, but a description of your character.

I'll continue talking with Chew and Bingham despite what's been said, but I don't think I can talk to someone who just says I'm wrong and states nothing else. Good luck in the future if you ever decide to take on a debate. As for not being able to take someone's view, um, I can't take someone's view like you because you don't have one. You just mouth off and then run. My argument with Vieon, I gave to Vieon because he proved his case. In other threads, I don't hold a grudge against people. If I see Bingham or Hostrup in another thread, I don't bring a past view on them into it because it isn't the topic at hand. It's exactly how debating can work. You argue, and afterwards, you don't care and don't bring it up in a new topic. Usually in the end, me and whoever come to an understanding. I also tend to apologize afterwards for any harsh words I said, which I do apologize to Bingham because being a human, those sudden things come out. You won't see one from me because you did everything I see an idiot do.

How I expect to do that with someone like you I won't be able to understand because there's no area to agree on and move on.

You've just made stupid comments with no backing. I won't be expecting me to have a different view on you in other topics cause of that. I'll just find you as someone who'll make a stupid post with nothing to support it, thus leaving no reason so debate.

You can call me a "kid", but for someone who was born in '79, you don't have a very good case of the saying, "Wisdom comes with age."

You can make any post you want with your insults, I mean character classifying, all you want. It'll most likely be the same as the others. No backing. I prefer to debate with those who can actually give facts to opress my views and I respect them.

[xtermin8or]

When did crysis come out???

Next year. The footage was at E3 2006. It wasnt prerendered , they were playing it live. It uses DX10 and shader model 4.

[davie18]

Koenig I think you should be a novel writer :wink:

[edgegamer]

BTW guys... to all of you guys who are saying that when DX10 comes out the PC will beat the 360... do you even know what DX10 is or just heard that a new DirectX is coming out and got excited?

DX10 doesn't improve the quality of graphics! It just incorporates a new Shader Model called Geometry Shader that is a more efficient way of calculating Shaders. The only difference between DirectX 9 and DirectX 10 is performance while achieving the same graphical result!

Did you know that the E3 Demos of Crysis were rendered using DirectX 9 Cars?

About Gears of War... do you know that it uses the UNREAL 3 Engine? Which I might add started being developed first for the PC and looks AMAZING on the PC?

Some of you guys are comparing two different games! You can't even compare two games of two different platforms coz maybe the company who made it didn't give a **** for the PC version and wanted it to look awesome on the X360 so that people buy the 360 (Business).

Before posting things, make sure you, first of all know what you're saying and secondly make sure you are making an ethical comparison! Oh and make sure you're open minded and not biased!

[xtermin8or]

If it's more efficient at calculating stiuff then that means that they can put more stuff into games without adding more pipelines on a videocard. Wich means better looking games.

Im not biased im just saying that Crysis looked better than anything at E3. Though i prefer PC's better because i can upgrade whatever i want. Yes, it does cost money to upgrade and as someone said earlier "Ill just play all games for the next 3-4 years on my X360" or something like that , yes but the games are gonna look crappier and crappier on the X360 compared to the PC. Its like , look at Most Wanted on high detail on PC, and look at it on Xbox.

Yes i do know they used DX9 hardware to render Crysis. They used 2 VGA cards to emulate DX10 , as they said.

Anyway these days computers are advancing so fast its incredible. I say in 2 years Xbox will be surpassed even CPU wise.

BTW this is not an answer to edgegamer lol im not trying to flame anyone lol. :salut2:

[SVT_MAN]

So, how 'bout that PC demo? :p

[KoenigViper]

Koenig I think you should be a novel writer :wink:
I can never get past a Chapter 1 though so I lose interest. tonguegre :laugh:

[Nutcase]

BTW guys... to all of you guys who are saying that when DX10 comes out the PC will beat the 360... do you even know what DX10 is or just heard that a new DirectX is coming out and got excited?

DX10 doesn't improve the quality of graphics! It just incorporates a new Shader Model called Geometry Shader that is a more efficient way of calculating Shaders. The only difference between DirectX 9 and DirectX 10 is performance while achieving the same graphical result!

Did you know that the E3 Demos of Crysis were rendered using DirectX 9 Cars?

About Gears of War... do you know that it uses the UNREAL 3 Engine? Which I might add started being developed first for the PC and looks AMAZING on the PC?

Some of you guys are comparing two different games! You can't even compare two games of two different platforms coz maybe the company who made it didn't give a **** for the PC version and wanted it to look awesome on the X360 so that people buy the 360 (Business).

Before posting things, make sure you, first of all know what you're saying and secondly make sure you are making an ethical comparison! Oh and make sure you're open minded and not biased!

Yeah that´s true!
But one thing I have to say about those PC & XBox360 comparisons.. I have 7900GT 512Mb as a graphics card and I play Oblivion all setting maxed.. HDR and all.. And my friend played Oblivion on his XBox360 next to me. Oblivion on my PC looked much better and smoother than on that Xbox360. I mean better image quality, graphics and fps.
I say that you can adjust 1280x1024 and Antialising to 4X, Anisotrophic filtering to 16X, all reflections on high and HDR to full with PC and it looks 2x as better as XBox360 version.. Gamers who play on XBox360 are depending on graphics quality that is set by developers.. touhg luck i guess :) But i would get XBox360 only for PGR3 because I loved PGR2 on live on my friends XBox :p

Also he has NFS:MW and it looks also MUCH better ALL settings on high on my PC than on his XBox 360..

But what about that PC demo of TDU? When it is coming out? :mefiant:

[KoenigViper]

It hasn't been confirmed it's coming. Honestly, I'd expect one near the end of September.

[the_woozle]

I say that you can adjust 1280x1024 and Antialising to 4X, Anisotrophic filtering to 16X, all reflections on high and HDR to full with PC

This is a small point, but Antialiasing isn't supported in Oblivion when HDR is enabled.

[davie18]

But what about that PC demo of TDU? When it is coming out? :mefiant:
There isn't going to be a one, unless atari say otherwise.

[edgegamer]

I totally agree with you Nutcase... about the PC Demo... I can't wait for it aswell! Although... I would prefer if Eden work harder on the final PC version (I REALLY REALLY WANT IT TO BE PERFECTLY POLISHED and I hope I see very few bugs :) ) then working on a PC Demo.

You know... it sucks that its always console gamers who get to play games before we do eekblue: .

[stalker700]

That's because the game is made for x360.

[Nutcase]

True. Especially GTA:SA was very late and it wasn´t so visually polished compared to PS2. Hope they´ll bring a whole and ready package of TDU for so there won´t be any bugs etc. harmful things. :respect:

[ChewbaccaIV]

Catch up to X360?? The PC completely demolished any other game on any platform including Xbox 360. There was no game out there better looking than Crysis.
There's a couple of new vids at gametrailers.com, and the frame rate doesnt look so good, so you need to wait a little more before sticking this one into the discussion.

[Nutcase]

There's a couple of new vids at gametrailers.com, and the frame rate doesnt look so good, so you need to wait a little more before sticking this one into the discussion.

Do you seriously thinking that frame rates on XBox360 with same graphical quality would be something better?
Here´s an answer: XBox 360 couldn´t run that game event at those frame rates with same graphical quality. And XBox 360 can't produce graphical quality that would be close to seen in those trailers.. Remember they are using 2x of today´s top Graphic cards and XBox 360 has one that isn´t even close to one of them.

If crysis will be released on to XBox 360 it will be much more uglier than PC version.. And that´s a fact.

[ChewbaccaIV]

Do you seriously thinking that frame rates on XBox360 with same graphical quality would be something better?
Here´s an answer: XBox 360 couldn´t run that game event at those frame rates with same graphical quality. And XBox 360 can't produce graphical quality that would be close to seen in those trailers.. Remember they are using 2x of today´s top Graphic cards and XBox 360 has one that isn´t even close to one of them.

If crysis will be released on to XBox 360 it will be much more uglier than PC version.. And that´s a fact.
I didnt say it couldnt beat the 360, I meant to say that it is not ready.
I dont think consoles will ever beat PC's, they just follow them, BUT I do believe console gaming is much cheaper than PC gaming since I've done both.

[KoenigViper]

Chew has a point. The game is still a big development and won't be release til next year so any problems are just current coding and WIP.
BTW, Crysis has been talked about being ported to the X360 later after the PC version.

[Nutcase]

Yep word! The game isn´t finished yet so we should concentrate on this TDU demo, right? :nuts:

PS. I have also tired both, PC and consoles but I don´t like paying 50-70€ for each consolegame that comes out. I heard that TDU will be sold for 36$ but that´s exeption and pleasant one I guess :p

And what comes to the PC gaming.. You don't need to waste such a big amount of money into it or once you have then you´ll be playing all games pretty nicely next couple of years and games are cheaper on PC so I really dunno.

Both have their good sides like console gaming is so easy and you don't need to be worried about all those compatibilities and all of that. Just buy the game and go playing on your couch. Console gaming is also very fun especially because you can play with your mates on 1 console in live sitting next to 42" screen tonguegre But PC gaming has its own bright sides like easily downloadable patches to the games (i know xbox has it´s new live update thingy) moving with keyboard and mouse aiming and better graphics and cheaper games and you can also do many other things with your PC than gaming..

[KoenigViper]

The size of your TV doesn't matter really. I was playing Half-Life 2 at Circuit City on a 32-inch HD TV in Circuit City the other day with from the computer.

[Nutcase]

That wasn´t the main point in that comparison Viper :) I know you can play on PC trought 32" screen but more people have 32-42" TVs as a TVs and console screens than as a PC screens but that´s gonna change soon as LCD screens are becomming cheaper and cheaper.

[Marinerman1979]

Um, sorry, you still fail at 1 thing.

You said I was wrong.
You still are and you're still not telling me why I am.

The first time you said I was misinformed. I wasn't because
1) Games do share the near same requirements
2) Upgrading is your decision
3) The computer does have many things the X360 doesn't.

You're only reply was lol, I'm misinformed. Looking like an idiot, you gave no reasons. Only Chew did, and I gave him respect and said he made good points.

The 2nd time, you just insulted me and called me a prick and said I can't take someone taking my views. Um no, I was arguing on graphics that looked real and why PGR3 got where it is because of a fakeness.

I'll call you an idiot all I want if you're just going to say someone's view is wrong and not give any other info.

Idiots do this, you did this, so concluson, you=idiot.
As you said, it's not an insult, but a description of your character.

I'll continue talking with Chew and Bingham despite what's been said, but I don't think I can talk to someone who just says I'm wrong and states nothing else. Good luck in the future if you ever decide to take on a debate. As for not being able to take someone's view, um, I can't take someone's view like you because you don't have one. You just mouth off and then run. My argument with Vieon, I gave to Vieon because he proved his case. In other threads, I don't hold a grudge against people. If I see Bingham or Hostrup in another thread, I don't bring a past view on them into it because it isn't the topic at hand. It's exactly how debating can work. You argue, and afterwards, you don't care and don't bring it up in a new topic. Usually in the end, me and whoever come to an understanding. I also tend to apologize afterwards for any harsh words I said, which I do apologize to Bingham because being a human, those sudden things come out. You won't see one from me because you did everything I see an idiot do.

How I expect to do that with someone like you I won't be able to understand because there's no area to agree on and move on.

You've just made stupid comments with no backing. I won't be expecting me to have a different view on you in other topics cause of that. I'll just find you as someone who'll make a stupid post with nothing to support it, thus leaving no reason so debate.

You can call me a "kid", but for someone who was born in '79, you don't have a very good case of the saying, "Wisdom comes with age."

You can make any post you want with your insults, I mean character classifying, all you want. It'll most likely be the same as the others. No backing. I prefer to debate with those who can actually give facts to opress my views and I respect them.


still no benchmarks??? Still no case.

[KoenigViper]

Hmm, well given you made another half-assed reply, I guess you'll still be an idiot in my books. I had a case, you just couldn't prove me wrong. Chew saw I did, made a post, and made good points.

And by the ol' rules of 3 Strikes, and you're out, you've made 3 half-assed replies that don't counter or prove me wrong like you say so. So I'm out and done. I don't debate with idiots who can't back anything up and only mouth off.

Have a good day.

[Euroracer]

PC > console's
xbox is nothing compared to what you can get for a PC right now, it's the money vs. graphic's thats the only arguement for using a console but PC are more dept and flexability for the money aswell.

Since I don't think they even started on the beta of the PC version yet I'm taking that as a good sign.....unlike games like NFS that are made for console's then converted to PC so they inherit strange control bug's.

Good thinking, do it right the first time Atari just a bit more clarity would be nice.

[Marinerman1979]

Hmm, well given you made another half-assed reply, I guess you'll still be an idiot in my books. I had a case, you just couldn't prove me wrong. Chew saw I did, made a post, and made good points.

And by the ol' rules of 3 Strikes, and you're out, you've made 3 half-assed replies that don't counter or prove me wrong like you say so. So I'm out and done. I don't debate with idiots who can't back anything up and only mouth off.

Have a good day.


still no benchmarks. still no case.


You can't end an argument that you couldn't sustain.

Well... you COULD try comparing games that was released on both the PC and XBox360 as a benchmark. In which case the games being Quake 4, Prey, Call of Duty 2, and Elder Scrolls 4... but that is a mixed bag in terms of performance. You have good ports such as COD2 and TES4 which WOULD require the highest end computer to get an equivalent experence in performance... and bad ports such as Quake 4 and Prey which use the Doom 3 engine which is very CPU dependant and frankly does not like the PPC architecture.

The problem is when you are comparing PC games to XBox360 games is that frankly when you port a PC game to the XBox360 it's performance is far from optimal because of the radically difference architecture. TES4 and COD2, as well as Q4/Prey don't come even close to taxing the XBox360 hardware.

A better arguement would be to turn the tables around and point out specific XBox360 games and ask if the PC could do the same. Example... do you think a high end PC could handle PGR3 (the XBox360's current high end game technology wise and the only game so far MADE for the XBox360)? Do you think a high end PC could handle Kameo? Was there any comparable games to show the PC could?

In truth the biggest thing holding the XBox360 back right now IS the CPU, the GPU is extremely powerful. Lack of familarity and optimization is causing ALL XBox360 games (from launch to current) to be heavily CPU limited and this is impacting performance. The PS3 will have many of the same problems, and prehaps to a greater degree... except the PS3 will have a somewhat weaker GPU. Consoles generally are GPU limited, especially towards the end of their lives after developers figure out how to program for it. So when you have severe CPU limitation this will eventually be overcome and you will see said console do things that even a high end PC a couple years from now will struggle to do.

There is one big difference between gaming PCs today and consoles versus how it was with the XBox/PS2 versus a gaming PC. Back then you have no SLI video card rigs... todays gaming PC takes advantage of the fact you can have TWO graphics cards in a gaming PC to accelerate performance. This is something frankly a console won't be able to compensate for. Again though... the fact the console is a closed enviroment more significant optimizations can be done to allow consoles to do many impressive things that PCs need much much more powerful hardware to accomplish.

Here is the bottom line...

The XBox360 is equivalent to a high end gaming PC... give a little... take a little. The games ultimately prove this to be true... there are games on the XBox360 (and PS3 for that matter) that frankly CANNOT be done on the PC and the games on the PC frankly don't port very well over to such an alien architecture such as the XBox360/PS3. Given enough optimization they can and do run every bit as well as on a high end gaming PC, but they do not take advantage of the platform.

Ports between the PC and consoles are hardly never the best way to compare relative power. After all... Wolfenstein ran just fine on the SNES (which had a 3.5mhz CPU) versus the PC which needed a 486SX/33Mhz to get an equivalent experience. Doom 3 ran fine on medium on the Xbox, which had a 733mhz CPU and a Geforce4ti where you needed a 1.6ghz CPU with a Geforce 6600gt to get a similar performance level.

PCs do have the advantage of allowing more powerful hardware to be added at any time, but PC games will never be as efficient as console games are in terms of how effective said PC game uses the hardware.

Like I said though, my advice would be to turn the tables around and force him to prove the PC could do something equivalent to some console games like Heavenly Sword, Nighty Nine Nights, PGR3, Gears of War, Kameo, and so forth


This was posted by a guy vastly superior to your knowledge. I don't expect any type od reply, since so far you haven't been able to counter a point, you just call someone an idiot, then post a useless screenshot.

[svtcobra04]

theres a benchmarking tool for the 360?

[Marinerman1979]

theres a benchmarking tool for the 360?

No, since the 360's performance is locked we already know what it does.

PC is interchangable, so...

[svtcobra04]

you even know what a benchmarking tool is?

www.futuremark.com

[KoenigViper]

Hmm, again, the board fool missed a point.

The argument with the screenshots was to show why PGR3 looked better because it went through a fakeness. After chew's post, I never went to arguing with him the PC upgrading.

And you missed the point 2 times. I don't care if someone else is proving me wrong. I already posted I give my respect to those who can.

It's you who makes an idiotic post saying I'm misinformed 2 times and yet gives no reason as to why. You're only counter-point is I have no case. Hmm, well, I guess me and Bingham argued for nothing.

Being that's the 4th post you've said I was wrong, and again failed to state why and what part was wrong. You just said it, you didn't prove it. All you've done is copy another fellow's reply. While you're at it, maybe you can gain some of that "wisdom" from the ol' saying I posted since you are so much older than me though I find that hardly true.

Perhaps in the future, you'll be able to do more than say wrong, and actually point out why and what. Maybe you'll also understand an arguement.
I also said I don't carry my thoughts on people from thread to thread. You are the first. You looked like an idiot on the US forums claiming people with the finished copy of the game were wrong when you as you say, had NO case, NO info, and NOTHING to backup your statements.

I don't debate with idiots sir. I'll leave that to other idiots.
I have much better things to do than argue with a fool who can only say, "Wrong." over and over. I believe even Bingham asked you to bring info. 2 people countered my points. BTW, I already apologized for insults. Perhaps reading is another thing you need to work on.

Good day to you as I expect you'll once again, look silly and say, "Wrong."

[Marinerman1979]

Hmm, again, the board fool missed a point.

The argument with the screenshots was to show why PGR3 looked better because it went through a fakeness. After chew's post, I never went to arguing with him the PC upgrading.

And you missed the point 2 times. I don't care if someone else is proving me wrong. I already posted I give my respect to those who can.

It's you who makes an idiotic post saying I'm misinformed 2 times and yet gives no reason as to why. You're only counter-point is I have no case. Hmm, well, I guess me and Bingham argued for nothing.

Being that's the 4th post you've said I was wrong, and again failed to state why and what part was wrong. You just said it, you didn't prove it. All you've done is copy another fellow's reply. While you're at it, maybe you can gain some of that "wisdom" from the ol' saying I posted since you are so much older than me though I find that hardly true.

Perhaps in the future, you'll be able to do more than say wrong, and actually point out why and what. Maybe you'll also understand an arguement.
I also said I don't carry my thoughts on people from thread to thread. You are the first. You looked like an idiot on the US forums claiming people with the finished copy of the game were wrong when you as you say, had NO case, NO info, and NOTHING to backup your statements.

I don't debate with idiots sir. I'll leave that to other idiots.
I have much better things to do than argue with a fool who can only say, "Wrong." over and over. I believe even Bingham asked you to bring info. 2 people countered my points. BTW, I already apologized for insults. Perhaps reading is another thing you need to work on.

Good day to you as I expect you'll once again, look silly and say, "Wrong."


Well, you did call me an idiot, but you failed to post a screen.

I never expected you to counter with anything other than more insults, poor reasoning, and bad logic.

I don't need to back myself up. I am not making the claims that directly fly into the face of common knowledge.

I got a lot of people laughing at you. That alone makes this whole thing worth it.


PS: nom you cannot play multiplayer with a silver account. The fact that you can't read does not change this.

[svtcobra04]

No, since the 360's performance is locked we already know what it does.

PC is interchangable, so...

wheres this benchmark?

[Vieon]

When are the mods going to step in here?

[Truppy12]

ROFL ROFL ROFL.....Anyone has to say it PC OWNS CONSOLES, Consoles cannot be upgraded...PC's are forever expanding...and my PC will give the 360 a run for its money...Although i am a big fan of the 360...The PC is better...I have to say

[Jay360UK]

This thread is a joke, please lock it rolleyesa

[Vieon]

Yes, this thread has become the victim of childish ramblings, as evidenced by Trumpy.

Please close this thread mods.

[svtcobra04]

lol, i just wanna know if there benchmarkers for the 360, although it be pointless really, 3dmark on the 360 be cool so we could really compare :)

[Marinerman1979]

Yes, this thread has become the victim of childish ramblings, as evidenced by Trumpy.

Please close this thread mods.


you're right, this is stupid.


So I'll stop.

[Marinerman1979]

lol, i just wanna know if there benchmarkers for the 360, although it be pointless really, 3dmark on the 360 be cool so we could really compare :)


There is no way to test your consoles performance, hell, you arn't even suppose to open it.


The only tech specs we know about are the ones that come from ati, and friends in low places(beyond3d for example)

[the_gaming_guy]

If you like PCs, you like PCs

If you like consoles, you like consoles

If you like both, you like both

If you like neither weirdblue , then you smell.


FULL STOP

[edgegamer]

I agree... lock this thread mods.

Instead of posting decent arguments some of you resulted to insulting eachother...

[MooseOnLoose]

If you like PCs, you like PCs

If you like consoles, you like consoles

If you like both, you like both

If you like neither weirdblue , then you smell.


FULL STOP

I totally agree!!!

[pegse]

same here, it has got abit boring sour:

[gaiozi]

something new about PC demo ?

[zonda_lover]

Lock the thread i started it asking about the pc demo and it turned out in to a all out brawl lol .





CLOSE THE THREAD!

[Vieon]

something new about PC demo ?
Dear God. When will this guy get the picture?

[martijnn]

I Want A Pc Demo!!!!!!!!!

[ChewbaccaIV]

I want J-Lo's buttcheeks.

[Fluxx]

I want J-Lo's buttcheeks.


Just her buttcheeks?!???

Weird.......... weirdblue, but Im sure a good plastic surgeon can help....... :wink2:

[KoenigViper]

I want J-Lo's buttcheeks.
Eww. Surely there's some other celebrity you'd rather have. tonguegre

[ChewbaccaIV]

Eww. Surely there's some other celebrity you'd rather have. tonguegre
Yes, Sarah Michele Gellar........ :nuts:

[the_gaming_guy]

Mr Blobby. :chapeau: