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PsychoM666
01-09-2006, 22:24
i hear alot of ppl talking on here and i have to make this public statement clear so bare with me
people talking about Ferrari 360 Modena vs Lamborghini Gallardo or Ford vs Chevy so on so on
but your leaveing one huge factor out THE DRIVER
this is so true in the game as in real life
i had the mustang in the demo i was raceing a Ferrari and won by 10 secs! i also raced a bike and won in 3 secs!
so take what ever you want and pit it to what ever you feel if you cant handle it or drive worth **** then you will lose
as a qoute from a movie once stated "its not how you stand by your car its how you drive it" i know but the qoute still stands and thankfuly im a very good driver NOT THE BEST IM NOT BRAGING OR GETING COCKY but i can drive good i lost in more then my share of races and broke even
but somebody must publicly state this message i swear you can have one guy with a Lamborghini who can drive one with a McLaren F1 and the guy in the lamborghini wins 7 out of 10 races
thank you for your time :salut2:
the_gaming_guy
01-09-2006, 22:26
Why are you telling us what we already knew? weirdblue
PsychoM666
01-09-2006, 22:34
Why are you telling us what we already knew? weirdblue
to me my good firend ppl are geting so caught up in this car war thing they forget the driver :)
I beat a bike in the AC, he mucked around too much and he crashed whilst trying to catch up with me
PsychoM666
01-09-2006, 22:48
I beat a bike in the AC, he mucked around too much and he crashed whilst trying to catch up with me
ok thats just sad lolblue:
fun-meter
01-09-2006, 22:57
Its obvious, but true. It is down to the driver. I wouldnt say im excellent, but i have a nack for somethings (but some times, i cant do sod all because of the mood im in).
I've played some **** people, and won with ease when they have the advantage (me in 430 vs bike in the demo). But i havent come across any aggressive drivers yet, so it doesnt bother me, most people just want to race and cruise.
Then theres some people who are good competition, and you have to focus on your braking distancing and trying not to loose any traction. :)
Sh4dow_racer
01-09-2006, 22:58
Couldn't agree more with you psycho666. You could put the worst driver in the best car, no chance he wins, but a good driver in a bad car, that's another story.
Anyway, not sure it was useful to make a thread about this :p
PsychoM666
01-09-2006, 22:59
Its obvious, but true. It is down to the driver. I wouldnt say im excellent, but i have a nack for somethings (but some times, i cant do sod all because of the mood im in).
I've played some **** people, and won with ease when they have the advantage (me in 430 vs bike in the demo). But i havent come across any aggressive drivers yet, so it doesnt bother me, most people just want to race and cruise.
Then theres some people who are good competition, and you have to focus on your braking distancing and trying not to loose any traction. :)
THANK YOU FINALY SOMEONE WHO AGREES! :respect: :bravo: :bravo:
PsychoM666
01-09-2006, 23:04
Couldn't agree more with you psycho666. You could put the worst driver in the best car, no chance he wins, but a good driver in a bad car, that's another story.
Anyway, not sure it was useful to make a thread about this :p
when i use to street race back in the day in my 91 Mitsubishi Eclipse it was stuck in third gear i had to bring it to the Mitsubishi dealership and pay 1,000 us dollors to get a new chip installed so it would no longer be stuck in third gear dark: :laugh:
but i use to race this one guy he was nuts took chances im not shore how he lived but if i had more ballz then him i would have won :mad: alwell dont do that anymore not for several years
and yes your right a good driver in a bad car.....yeah is one ticked off driver :mad: lol thank you for agreeing too :respect:
the point of this thread i made is to get ppl fouced you can get lost in cars and super cars and tech specs and this car has this and that and brand loyaty wars (for example Lamborghini vs Ferrari) and lose sight of the truth of it all some ppl can drive and some cant and some very few ppl can drive good
gos the same in this game with a uqine (far as i can feel) learning curve and handleing in this game dont matter what you drive if you cant handle the driveing system the dev's made in the game
Sh4dow_racer
01-09-2006, 23:27
So you were a ricer hum? Bad boy tonguegre
Well...I only had one car since I got my drivers license, my good ol' Ford Escort. It's been 3 years now, and even though it ain't a rocket, there's one thing I know now : knowing exactly when and how to shift your gears quickly makes a hell of a difference!
dark_preacher
01-09-2006, 23:46
at least it was first gen, lol.
KoenigViper
02-09-2006, 01:31
There's a really big difference though Psycho.
In real life, these comparisons are done in real life, with actual physics, and professional drivers.
In the game, we could be playing some good racer, or some kid who doesn't understand physics.
So really, you can't always say the driver for both because in real life, those drivers are on the same skill, pretty much 98% of the time. In TDU, it's 50/50. :)
Slenders
02-09-2006, 01:44
it's all true what you're saying, except you qouted vin diesel wrong tonguegre
"It's not how you stand by youre car, it's how you race youre car"
sorry i'm a perfectionist in these things rolleyesa, i know i just love that movie :)
But it's true, the driver is the main thing in a race.
PsychoM666
02-09-2006, 04:08
it's all true what you're saying, except you qouted vin diesel wrong tonguegre
"It's not how you stand by youre car, it's how you race youre car"
sorry i'm a perfectionist in these things rolleyesa, i know i just love that movie :)
But it's true, the driver is the main thing in a race.
thank you for the right qoute :respect:
PsychoM666
02-09-2006, 04:09
There's a really big difference though Psycho.
In real life, these comparisons are done in real life, with actual physics, and professional drivers.
In the game, we could be playing some good racer, or some kid who doesn't understand physics.
So really, you can't always say the driver for both because in real life, those drivers are on the same skill, pretty much 98% of the time. In TDU, it's 50/50. :)
well the basic point im makeing here is the same
but your 100% right
someone can be ace in the game and suck IRL lol
KoenigViper
02-09-2006, 04:35
I do agree. It does depend on the driver.
I believe there is a saying that goes, "Power is nothing without control."
irR4tiOn4L
02-09-2006, 04:39
i hear alot of ppl talking on here and i have to make this public statement clear so bare with me
people talking about Ferrari 360 Modena vs Lamborghini Gallardo or Ford vs Chevy so on so on
but your leaveing one huge factor out THE DRIVER
this is so true in the game as in real life
i had the mustang in the demo i was raceing a Ferrari and won by 10 secs! i also raced a bike and won in 3 secs!
so take what ever you want and pit it to what ever you feel if you cant handle it or drive worth **** then you will lose
as a qoute from a movie once stated "its not how you stand by your car its how you drive it" i know but the qoute still stands and thankfuly im a very good driver NOT THE BEST IM NOT BRAGING OR GETING COCKY but i can drive good i lost in more then my share of races and broke even
but somebody must publicly state this message i swear you can have one guy with a Lamborghini who can drive one with a McLaren F1 and the guy in the lamborghini wins 7 out of 10 races
thank you for your time :salut2:
What you are saying also only applies to drivers of poor skill.
Once you get to professionals, who all lap within half a second of each other, then the car (even if it is faster by just half a second) becomes a major factor.
Why do you think there is such a difference between the teams in Formula 1?
PsychoM666
02-09-2006, 04:56
What you are saying also only applies to drivers of poor skill.
Once you get to professionals, who all lap within half a second of each other, then the car (even if it is faster by just half a second) becomes a major factor.
Why do you think there is such a difference between the teams in Formula 1?
im talking of normal driveing to work ppl we all know about Formula 1 and to just get into Formula one even if you suck the worst out of all the other drivers your still one of the top drives JUST COUSE your in Formula 1
they all proven they can drive beyond a shadow of a dought
im talking joe and moe down the street in there normal ever day cars lol or suped up ones if the case may be
Eagle_Legend
02-09-2006, 10:04
Hey there's also another cool quote of that same movie: "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning". I love that movie. Anyone seen the new one? Tokyo Drift?
Hey there's also another cool quote of that same movie: "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning". I love that movie. Anyone seen the new one? Tokyo Drift?
I've seen it, didn't like it at all, the story is the same as the other fast and furious movies -a guy loose a race and then start training and become the best- Most of the movie plays at night and the cutting isn't good, you barely see anything when they are racing.
I give it 5/10.
Eagle_Legend
02-09-2006, 10:21
Ouch, poor score, well i haven't seen it yet, maybe i'll rent it :rolleyes:
I've seen it, nothing special as far as I'm concerned. Like F116 says, it's the same as the others just with some drifting thrown in. A lot of it seems to be PC generated too. I'd like to have seen some real drifting from the pros and read that about 10 cars got smashed for one drift scene, if you see what I mean. Like general Lee.
"Power is nothing without control."
I have my own version of this:
"Power is dangerous without control."
Both apply to driving.
Crazed_Dodgem
02-09-2006, 13:03
isnt 'power is nothing without control' a quote from spiderman
i didnt want to see tokyo drift from the moment i saw the advert
'the only way to win...is to loose control' refering to drifting.
DRIFTING IS VERY CONTROLLED, IF YOU LOOSE CONTROL IN A DRIFT YOU WILL PROBABLY FIND YOUR BOOT/TRUNK FACING THE WRONG WAY!
isnt 'power is nothing without control' a quote from spiderman
"With great power comes great responsibility"?
That's the only one I remember from that film.
Crazed_Dodgem
02-09-2006, 13:22
"With great power comes great responsibility"?
That's the only one I remember from that film.
thats the one, i could only remember something about power...
i raced you evsky yesterday on my bike wile you raced in the cobra and i beat you. not by much because i was trying to do wheelies.
irR4tiOn4L
03-09-2006, 05:14
im talking of normal driveing to work ppl we all know about Formula 1 and to just get into Formula one even if you suck the worst out of all the other drivers your still one of the top drives JUST COUSE your in Formula 1
they all proven they can drive beyond a shadow of a dought
im talking joe and moe down the street in there normal ever day cars lol or suped up ones if the case may be
True, but my point goes deeper.
A lot of players in TDU will have come from demanding simulations, and as a result are very consistent, fast and competitive drivers.
The results of races between these drivers will depend of how much of an edge one develops over the other, but since they are both highly skilled (and at the limit) this edge will be minute.
This means that even a tiny edge in speed of the respective cars will go a long way to determining the result - an F430 might prove absolutely dominant over a Gallardo at the highest level.
Furthermore, the time you gain or lose based on your edge in skill or vehicle is tiny when compared to time lost for a simple crash. Thus, the result will largely be determined by a few key events or mistakes during a lap.
Unfortunately, that doesnt make for a close race - if you make one mistake more than the other guy, then youll likely never catch up. This ends up making the result feel somewhat sudden or random, frustrating the loser - they had a great race, marred by just a single mistake, or worse, bad luck beyond their control, and that was enough to decide the result.
This problem gets even WORSE with arcadey physics. Why?
Well even though it would SEEM that making a game easier to drive will lessen the chance of a random screwup determining the race, in actual fact, all it does is increase the need to push hard, and thus increase the risk of bad luck or a mistake affecting the result.
Also, the faster the average speeds you are forced to race at, the less chance to react you have to mistakes and screwups, making it more of a 'twitch' based race.
This is why i keep pushing for a more realistic braking, cornering and general handling implementation - if you simplify it, and thus make it necessary to push harder (and move at higher speeds), then at the highest level the races will break down, and you wont be able to attract highly skilled players, or keep them interested - they will be forced to move on to other games.
I dont want that to happen to TDU.
EDIT - as for these stupid drifiting movies, they are full of ****. Frankly, racing is a very controlled exercise, and it certainly isnt about the win. These movies are just trying to make it seem like something cool, mysterious and unpredictable.
I would say that knowledge of the roads and map would be a big factor too. I would say that knowing the map is as important as knowing how to drive the cars properly.
irR4tiOn4L
03-09-2006, 05:47
I would say that knowledge of the roads and map would be a big factor too. I would say that knowing the map is as important as knowing how to drive the cars properly.
Your right - that is absolutely critical in motorsport.
But its not hard to get even a very fine understanding of the track/roads, and doesnt take all that long, so pretty quickly this factor dissapears.
Your right - that is absolutely critical in motorsport.
But its not hard to get even a very fine understanding of the track/roads, and doesnt take all that long, so pretty quickly this factor dissapears.
Granted, I'm not that sure though. Other games can be memorised quite quickly but this is different. 1000 actual miles of new roads seems like quite a lot to master. I don't believe it will be as quick as other games to get where you want to go without using any GPS or map of some kind. I have no idea of the time it will take to learn but it will take longer than other games previous. I agree mind, this factor will disappear at some stage and it will be down to reactions, driving skills and the luck of the traffic etc.
irR4tiOn4L
03-09-2006, 07:43
Granted, I'm not that sure though. Other games can be memorised quite quickly but this is different. 1000 actual miles of new roads seems like quite a lot to master. I don't believe it will be as quick as other games to get where you want to go without using any GPS or map of some kind. I have no idea of the time it will take to learn but it will take longer than other games previous. I agree mind, this factor will disappear at some stage and it will be down to reactions, driving skills and the luck of the traffic etc.
I agree with your appraisal. Although it wont be hard to remember the most popular tracts of tarmac, it will take quite a bit of practise to remember it in every relevant detail (eg elevation, banking, apex and braking points).
I anticipate that traffic will play a huge role, especially with the simplified physics and how hard youll have to push to create an edge as a result, with the rest being a combination of driver/car/familiarity factors.
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