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mamone

23-09-2006, 13:18

I know the title sound's dramatic but I can assure you this is true.

Anyone who has read my post's will know im a big fan of TDU as I believe this is the best video game ever made. But there is danger that all the hard work,effort,money Atari/Eden have put into this game could go down the drain as I shall explain.

As im now coming to the end of the single player me and my friends are turning our attention towards mulitplayer, Club races, Diner's and this is where the problem lies. Starting off with mulitplayer races the problems at the moment is when people quit if they are losing and if the host quit's you return back to the menu. The Club races have exactly the same problems with team's quitting if losing. The Diner's is probably the biggest nightmare because it is difficult enough to find a challenge that hasn't been cheated on let alone winning them.

So at the moment where does this leave me & my friends?, not much TBH apart from racing against ourselves but sometimes you don't want just to race your friends but take on strangers. The Diner's which IMO is a superb feature of the game have been rendered virtually useless at the moment.

My suggestion to Atari/Eden is let's try and remove these cheat's/glitches in the game which allow's players to cheat so hopefully the diner's will become playable again. As for the quitter's what should happen is anyone who quit's should automatically lose point's and if the host quit's the game continue's until everyone crosses the finish line.

There are far more honest gamers than cheater's but usually the minority spoil it for the majority but mark my word's the honest gamer's will leave very shortly if this isn't sorted out. I shall tell how I know this because on Burnout Revenge this very thing happened. Some players on revenge started abusing the road rage feature where the host would use a 209mph and restrict the other's to 165 mph which mean's a guaranteed win. They use to trick you into the room by setting it up as a race and then switching it to road rage before you had the chance of leaving. More & more gamer's started doing this until it became a farce and as soon as this happened those who had spent ages mastering the game left in their droves and I know at least 20 players myself who left!!.

Im not sure if Atari/Eden can sort this out via an update but I certainly hope something is done because it would be a crying shame to see such a wonderful game going down the drain because of a few idiots.

P.S Just remembered another feature cheated is the single player leaderboards. Suppose because of the above you decided to try and get in the top 10 on the single player leaderboards even this you can't do on some of them because of these stupid 400mph speeds some players have done!

FgxGT

23-09-2006, 13:53

I agree! frownblue

Snugenz

23-09-2006, 14:14

I completely agree, the diner is a joke at the moment, i beat like 5 speed challenges one time, came back and seen they'd all be glitched to silly numbers (speeds)...Saleen S7 Twin Turbo ..... 380mph :rolleyes:

Caligula1

23-09-2006, 14:24

Wholeheartedly agree unfortunately. :noooo:

Eagle_Legend

23-09-2006, 20:58

I also must agree on this one, but i'm sure Atari will get it fixed.

paintwister

23-09-2006, 21:19

I also agree with this, ive had this game a week, and am already fed up with the servers. Iv'e been trying for over an hour tonight to get online. Your lucky you can get online to find out all these problems :|

Bushpirate

24-09-2006, 10:55

tenebra_uk

24-09-2006, 11:13

I thought I had already explained to you that there is a fix on its way that will fix all the critical glitches? :mefiant:

It took over 2 months to make WoW playable, can't you wait for a couple of weeks, please? Atari are slaving away to sort things out. It's not like you fix the code and make it live, there is a lot of testing, getting it approved, submitting it to Microsoft and put it on Live.

Please don't make it sound as if Atari is doing nothing about it, that's simply totally, completely untrue.

mamone

24-09-2006, 12:01

>>>I also must agree on this one, but i'm sure Atari will get it fixed.<<<

LOL yeah,.. 2 weeks after release Atari can't get the trade sorted out, their servers running properly, the online features working properly.....

It does not surprise me that most dealers in Asia are asking buyers these days to spend their money on Just Cause and buy the bootleg of TDU coz the online play is buggy and its not worth the money.

I am frankly quite surprised that Atari cannot get their house in order after 2 weeks. Its a disgrace.
Im sorry but IMO your wrong the online feature's of TDU are just simply superb. My gripe is with the cheating players that spoil these features rather than Atari/Eden.

The effort Atari/Eden have put into the game is just simply awesome and IMO is the benchmark for other software developers to follow. This is why im angry with the players themselves because it is these that have put the future of TDU into jeopardy. I said before TDU come out on the xbox forums that the success of the online side of play is down to us players and we as a community dictate how enjoyable the game is. As an example imagine if all players raced fairly, don't quit if you lose, upload decent challenges rather than one's you cannot beat, don't cheat, the online play would be much better. I said to my friends the other day the lifespan of this game would be very long and if the game was played correctly I could see myself playing this game every day for the next 6 month's. How many games on the 360 could you play every day for the next 6 months?? answer not many!.

mamone

24-09-2006, 21:12

Just been on TDU and I have a classic example of how cheater's ruin this game.

Yesterday evening I spent 2hrs trying to get the top speed on "Candid Camera's" speed challenge. Now this challenge is in Class B and is basically a timed run/no traffic/going past 3 speed camera's type of challenge. After 2 hrs I managed to get the top spot but this afternoon I have popped on to find someone has managed an average speed through 3 camera's of 303.39mph whilst using the Jaguar XJ220!. Now I already have the diner challenge achievement but can you imagine how annoying that would be if someone who doesn't have the achievement spent ages trying to win this challenge then found out someone had beaten them by cheating. This sort of thing is exactly what my orignal post is on about because if this keep's happening many honest players will leave TDU.

IcedSkylineR32

25-09-2006, 01:20

come on u guys i think we are lucky enough to have such a cool game like this rite now in the first place i wouldnt diss it so what if there are cheaters theres cheaters in every game and give atari a chance to give us fixes :atari:
i still think this game is sweet 10sur10

Klutchy

25-09-2006, 07:08

j6ngo1977

25-09-2006, 09:46

I agree with Tenebra that I am sure Atari will fix the glitches. yes WOW was unplayable until Blizzard fixed (and still is on PvP servers with being ganked every 2 minutes by marauding horde lamers :noooo: ) and I am sure TDU will be fixed as well. You gotta remember this is the first game of its type. So it's a prototype game template where alot of testing can only be done live with us dedicated fans. Atari will then listen to our gripes and fix em. It's the only way to be done really.

irR4tiOn4L

25-09-2006, 13:56

This is a simple issue. The less self control a game demands/finds in its audience, the more you will see this behaviour. This means - easy for anyone to play and master - more idiots. Easier to play and race at anytime (xbox 360 and online game) - more idiots. Lots of 14 year olds - more idiots.

Sorry, this is the truth. If you dont like it, try PC and simulations like GTR, GPL or others.

Having said that, a good game will always take measures to eliminate this behaviour as much as possible - but theres no real substitute for a mature fanbase, and you wont find it here - if you want closer racing, look more into niche markets.

Klutchy

25-09-2006, 14:03

=(and still is on PvP servers with being ganked every 2 minutes by marauding horde lamers :noooo: )
ROFL

join a PvE server, carebear

irR4tiOn4L

25-09-2006, 14:15

ROFL

join a PvE server, carebear

Your a pretty good example of what i mean.

Klutchy

25-09-2006, 14:59

Your a pretty good example of what i mean.
Yea, thanks.

If your going to join a PvP server, get prepared to get camped, and ganked.
If you cry about it, re-roll a PvE server and stop crying.

j6ngo1977

25-09-2006, 15:22

Yea, thanks.

If your going to join a PvP server, get prepared to get camped, and ganked.
If you cry about it, re-roll a PvE server and stop crying.

I'm on PVE, PVE-PVP and just PVP. I like PVE when I want a change of pace. I like PvP because of the 'danger' and the interaction. I don't whinge about getting ganked, yes I get frustrated like anybody. Just like I get annoyed at some moron ramming his car into me for no reason in TDU. SO I take you are 1 of those people who goes around with 2 other people and ganks lone nOObs because it is 'wOOt'? That's why I stopped playing. No honour or maturity in the game anymore.

Klutchy

25-09-2006, 15:35

I'm on PVE, PVE-PVP and just PVP. I like PVE when I want a change of pace. I like PvP because of the 'danger' and the interaction. I don't whinge about getting ganked, yes I get frustrated like anybody. Just like I get annoyed at some moron ramming his car into me for no reason in TDU. SO I take you are 1 of those people who goes around with 2 other people and ganks lone nOObs because it is 'wOOt'? That's why I stopped playing. No honour or maturity in the game anymore.
It's a PvP server for a reason.

If i feel like dueling, ill go to Winterspring, Burning stepppes, EPL, or MS.

If i feel like i need to be a pain in Tenebra's neck who's got to clean up my posts because I like swearwords, ill go gank lowbies in red ridge and STV.

I play WoW to PvP. If i come across a player of an opposite faction, ill kill them. That's why its called PvP, because PvP happens.

No honour maturity?

I have honour, for my fellow horde.
Maturity? How does killing people in a VIRTUAL world related to maturity?

If anything, if your whinging, or getting frustrated at getting ganked or kill, it's you who isnt mature enough. Shut the game off, and play something else, or go outside.

irR4tiOn4L

25-09-2006, 15:53

uggh its people like you who remind me why i dont play online games. The only self-limitations you see as worthwhile are those that will bring you an immediate and tangible reward. Id say thats the definition of immature.

Maturity relates to killing people in a virtual world because there are other people who will feel the effect of your actions. As such, there are consequences, even if as simple as ruining someones day or game, and being mature implies responsibility about how you play with these other people.

Its not just you out there - others are being hurt by your actions, whether or not you think they should 'sucker up', or whether you like to admit it. Its true that if you want an omellete (an online game) you gotta break some eggs (someone has to lose), but there is a reasonable limit. Ganking and spawn camping crossed it long ago.

Klutchy

25-09-2006, 16:01

uggh its people like you who remind me why i dont play online games. The only self-limitations you see as worthwhile are those that will bring you an immediate and tangible reward. Id say thats the definition of immature.
WoW is my stress releiver. I can kill people and be a greater pain in Tenebra's neck, who's got nothing to do all day other than cleaning swearing and not get a bad reputation because it's a part of the game.

It's completely different if im playing ToCA race driver 3 or LFS, because the point of the game is to race, not smash people.

irR4tiOn4L

25-09-2006, 16:08

WoW is my stress releiver. I can kill people and be an asshole and not get a bad reputation because it's a part of the game.

It's completely different if im playing ToCA race driver 3 or LFS, because the point of the game is to race, not smash people.

Well lets reflect on this. Youve chosen 'Wow' as your 'stress reliever' where you get to be an '*** hole', but unfortunately ruin some peoples game and day at the same time.

Well fine, but then if others follow your own code, but choose ToCA or LFS or GTR as their 'stress relievers', where they get to be *******s, your game will now be ruined.

Or what about all the people that choose 'TDU' as their 'stress reliever', and all the people that suffer? Do you see where that attitude gets you? Can you see how its immature?

The point of PVP Wow may be, funnily enough, Pvp, but it isnt to be 'an *** hole'. Its not to ruin other peoples games or day. Its not to spawn camp, gank, or be nasty. Just like it isnt the point of GPL to drive backwards. But if just a few people make this the point of their playing experience, a lot of others will suffer for it, and a precedent will be set for the future.

Playing an online game implies a mutual trust in others to at least consider you in their actions. Even if you want to relieve stress and be an ***, you only pick on those that can take it. Unfortunately, cowardice generally leads to noobs being the victims.

j6ngo1977

25-09-2006, 16:11

I'm not arguing with you. You have your opinions I have mine. I'm done. The defence rests. irR4tiOn4L thanks for the backup dude.

Klutchy

25-09-2006, 16:11

irR4tiOn4L

25-09-2006, 16:40

Unlike driving games, you arn't suppose to crash into people and such.

Im going by the rules with WoW, im allowed to kill people, that is an aspect of the game, it's waht its there for.

Just because a game allows you to crash into people doesn't mean it's meant for it though.

You skipped straight past what i was trying to say.

i joined a PvP server because i enjoy a good skilled/gank between grinding and questing.

It may be different for you, but each to his/her own. I dont have a problem with you, but Irational is really getting on my nerve's, because he's comparing me with other idiots who like to grief for the fun of it.

I respond to your stated views and statements. Indicate otherwise, and i will respond to that too. Im not aiming to get on your nerves or gang up on you, or compare you to griefers, and i dont have much of a personal stake in the issue (i know what to expect, so i dont bother playing online games).

My aim here is to point out that what you are doing is indeed immature, and does ruin peoples days and games. You could do what you do with more sensitivity and even add to other peoples play experiences - for example, attacking newbs but not killing them, giving them a hell of a rush (the experience gained must be measly anyway). Once again, you do not see the point of self-restriction without immediate and tangible gain.

You choose Wow as a 'stress reliever' where you are a pain in the butt to everyone else, and other people choose TDU, GTR, GPL, LFS and so on. Its still the same attitude though. Im not going off anything more than what youve said - that your perfectly happy to gank newbs to relieve stress, in particular. I wonder where all those ganked newbs then release THEIR stress?

As to your 'its allowed so its ok' argument, I want to refer to the seperation youve already made - being allowed to do something, and the point of a game.

Wow allows ganking and spawn camping, thats true, but it is not true to say this is the 'point' of PVP wow. The point of Wow PVP is not to eliminate the competition as soon as it spawns, is it?

I dont expect you to accept that distinction easily, so ill compare it to a game like GPL - the game does allow you to crash into others and race backwards, true, but the point of the game is to drive forwards without crashing into others.

Finally, if you still want to argue that Wow PVP is at least partially about ganking/spawn camping, then explain how TDU club racing isnt at least partially about obstructing/eliminating the competition, or spinning opponents around as soon as a race starts.

As far as im concerned, these are the same thing.

Klutchy

25-09-2006, 16:51

I respond to your stated views and statements. Indicate otherwise, and i will respond to that too. Im not aiming to get on your nerves or gang up on you, and i dont have much of a personal stake in the issue (i know what to expect, so i dont bother playing online games).

My aim here is to point out that what you are doing is indeed immature, and does ruin peoples days and games. You could do what you do with more sensitivity and even add to other peoples play experiences - for example, attacking newbs but not killing them, giving them a hell of a rush (the experience gained must be measly anyway). Once again, you do not see the point of self-restriction without immediate and tangible gain.

You choose Wow as a 'stress reliever' where you are a pain in the butt to everyone else, and other people choose TDU, GTR, GPL, LFS and so on. Its still the same attitude though. Im not going off anything more than what youve said - that your perfectly happy to gank newbs to relieve stress, in particular. I wonder where all those ganked newbs then release THEIR stress?

As to your 'its allowed so its ok' argument, I want to refer to the seperation youve already made - being allowed to do something, and the point of a game.

Wow allows ganking and spawn camping, thats true, but it is not true to say this is the 'point' of PVP wow. The point of Wow PVP is not to eliminate the competition as soon as it spawns, is it?

I dont expect you to accept that distinction easily, so ill compare it to a game like GPL - the game does allow you to crash into others and race backwards, true, but the point of the game is to drive forwards without crashing into others.
It's the cycle of WoW

High levels gank lower levels
WHen them lower levels reach higher levels, they gank low leverls
Repeat.

The point of PvP is to get rewards from doing it, sure, i may not get any honor points from killing someone 20 levels below me, but it's fun, isn't it?

The point of Wow PVP is not to eliminate the competition as soon as it spawns, is it?

If someones in my spot farming my mobs, ill kill them once, to let them know to go away.

If they try to gank me back, or still farm in that area, ill camp them for a good 2-3 kills, that should give them the idea.

I only camp people if i have to. Usually i'll duel and go away, but if i kill the person, and he rez's back and i happen to be close to where he rez's again, ill go attack him.

tenebra_uk

25-09-2006, 16:54

I'm getting quite fed up with repeating the same things over and over.

Language, for socks' sake!

irR4tiOn4L

25-09-2006, 17:03

It's the cycle of WoW

High levels gank lower levels
WHen them lower levels reach higher levels, they gank low leverls
Repeat.

The point of PvP is to get rewards from doing it, sure, i may not get any honor points from killing someone 20 levels below me, but it's fun, isn't it?

If someones in my spot farming my mobs, ill kill them once, to let them know to go away.

If they try to gank me back, or still farm in that area, ill camp them for a good 2-3 kills, that should give them the idea.

I only camp people if i have to. Usually i'll duel and go away, but if i kill the person, and he rez's back and i happen to be close to where he rez's again, ill go attack him.

What you describe seems to be a fairly normal response between roughly equal wow players who can take the consequences.

But heres what i dont get. You said earlier that Wow is your 'stress reliever', and part of that is going where noobs spawn and killing noobs for fun. Thats a bit different to defending horde territory, isnt it?

Seeking out easy targets to kill just for fun ignores the incredible frustration you cause these players. Just cause everyone else is doing it doesnt change that. A lot of these noobs will leave as a result.

I'm getting quite fed up with repeating the same things over and over.

Language, for socks' sake!

Apologies, on my part i was using the word in a 'technical sense', to draw a link to earlier comments by Klutch.

Your help in keeping heated exchanges in check is always welcome by most forum goers. I wont frustrate your efforts there, but i do wish similar vigilance/measures were applied in online TDU play as the online TDU forums.

Klutchy

25-09-2006, 17:07

irR4tiOn4L

25-09-2006, 17:17

If they are to leave, they should have joined a PvE server in the first place.

I put up with ganking all the time, when i was level 20'sih i had level 50+ come camp me. You know what i did?

Turned off WoW, went and got something to drink and watched TV/Went out ofr a bit.

If your getting frustrated over being killed once, then you should be on a PvE sever, because PvP wasn't made for you.

Again, thats ignoring the incredible frustration these people suffer as a result - and the way they are left between a rock and a hard place - either compromised PVP, or mundane PVE. Your example goes to prove that you were very frustrated yourself - if you didnt have as much time to devote to getting on top, you would have left too. In any case, youd leave if you were forced to start from the bottom again.

Lets look at it from another angle as well:

Would Wow PVP suffer if it did not have ganking or spawn camping?
Would Wow PVP be any less frustrating if it did not have ganking or spawn camping?

I would say no, yes - it would benefit. If ganking/spawn camping is the 'wow cycle' you say it is, then it should not be irrelevant or expendable. If the gameplay wouldnt suffer without them, then it has nothing to do with the 'point' of Wow PVP.

Klutchy

25-09-2006, 17:20

In a metaphoric sense, i see what your saying, but lets look at it from another angle:

Would Wow PVP suffer if it did not have ganking or spawn camping?
Would Wow PVP be any less frustrating if it did not have ganking or spawn camping?

I would say no, yes - it would benefit. If ganking/spawn camping is the 'wow cycle' you say it is, then it should not be irrelevant or expendable. If the gameplay wouldnt suffer without them, then it has nothing to do with the 'point' of Wow PVP.

Yes, it would suffer.
Yes, it would be less frustrating.

And you know what?

There isn't any PvP on PvE servers, That's why PvE servers are made

A PvP server is for people who enjoy PvP
A PvE server is for people who enjoy WoW, without getting ganked or fighting people.

irR4tiOn4L

25-09-2006, 17:22

Yes, it would suffer.
Yes, it would be less frustrating.

And you know what?

There isn't any PvP on PvE servers, That's why PvE servers are made

A PvP server is for people who enjoy PvP
A PvE server is for people who enjoy WoW, without getting ganked or fighting people.

Lets hold it there. Why do you say it would suffer? Maybe i misunderstand what you mean by 'ganked', but i certainly dont see how removing spawn camping would hurt gameplay. Thats ludicrous.

And heres another angle - you say theres either PVE or PVP, but if PVP without ganking/spawn camping and with less frustration is another option, why is it not supported as a midway option?

tenebra_uk

25-09-2006, 17:23

i do wish similar vigilance/measures were applied in online TDU play as the online TDU forums.
Shhhhh...please don't say it again...it's already been suggested that I should do it...as a joke, but it still made me cringe :hallucin:

As for the subject itself, unfortunately I have a strong sense of honour when playing online. I've never liked "bunny hunters", to be honest. It really kills the spirit of gaming. Playing - generally, as an activity - should be primarily a social activity rather than a personal stress reliever. For stress relief I'd recommend playing single player games.

the_gaming_guy

25-09-2006, 17:25

I PLAY GAMES FOR PURE FUN. :chapeau:

irR4tiOn4L

25-09-2006, 17:26

I PLAY GAMES FOR PURE FUN.

Break down your concept of what is 'fun'.

vgamesPlayer

25-09-2006, 22:24

Although these issues are pretty big ones. Look at Saints ROW. That game is ruined by laggy multiplayer games. I havent played it at all and the patch for that has been "in the works" for at least a month or more. Lets give Atari some slack here. It seems like they are putting forth alot more effort than some of the other Developers out there.

Oh and LOVE the game. I've been dreaming of a game like this. Puts every other racing game to shame. As a software developer I am in awe of how you guys managed to have a full island WITHOUT long loading screens and multiplayer yumminess without horrible laq. Way to go on the packet management. :atari:

My only complaint is i forgot what real life was like because I think i live on the island of hawaii.

the_gaming_guy

25-09-2006, 22:29

Break down your concept of what is 'fun'.

Enjoying a game with mates. Or just playing through on my own. Either way, I don't take these games too seriously.