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Atari what the HELL is going on with the toolset downloads apparently very few people can download it at ALL from the ftp site.
the download starts and then it gets cut off halfway through is this your freaking way of dealing with things?
you have got some freaking things to awnser to this is unacceptible
you OWE US an apology and you better as hell get off your butts and provide more download locations for the toolset for us!
this is totally and utterly redicilous.
i DEMAND an explination or at least to fix this freaking download issue.
but like you care does atari ever care about anything other than atari?
i doubt it.
this is unexcusable!
the fact that such a big company can screw up this bad with something as simple as a download
fileplanet does it all the time they have NO Problem with making 3 gig downloads avaible in a timely mannor and with higher bandwith for members
why the heck cant you put it on that?
DO SOMETHING instead of sitting on your freaking asses.
this lame ftp site IS NOT working
and everyone else is reverting to illigal torrent sites because YOU GUYS Cant do your freaking jobs!
what idiot.....what complete moron chose to release the toolset on a weekend instead of a weekday so if there was a problem that it can be fixed and again what total idiot moron was in charge to put only ONE FTP site in the entire world for the offical download?
with all this problems you should have not put the files up at all....
forgive my rudeness but i am FED UP
i tried to download this thing like 4 to 5 times today and nothing......i am SICK of this...
either get something freaking working or take off the files!
we will not shut up untill you do.
Just get a proper download manager that auto-resumes. I recommend Filezilla...using it myself, and currently downloading all 9 files at a total speed of around 200 KB/s.
Use a download resumer if you are having issues with downloads cutting out. For example www.getright.com
The download speed from the FTP is still very slow for me (about 10kb/s), but it is slowly going up. Am about a third of the way through and it is looking like another 7-8 hours here.
Hope this helps,
Lorft
aphrodite1
02-10-2006, 02:57
I'm pretty sure that bitching about your illegal download not working isn't going to make anything better :)
EXCUSE ME?
ILLIGAL DOWNLOAD?
this is from the actual ftp site that atari linked to thank you very much its NOT illigal.
and for your infomation the download resume thing does NOT work it cuts off and then you cant reconnect.
ill try the other program though.
but anyways get yoru facts streight before posting first...
no offence im just ticked off.
posting a download manager that is NOT free but must be paid for is useless to me.
thanks a lot.
removed. I do not tolerate flaming and name calling.Tenebra
Nightmist
02-10-2006, 03:14
Yeah, I'll make a program as well. Then make a site publicly avaliable to everyone with a link to where you can download the file, then get them arrested because... uh... I decided it was illegal to download.
:rolleyes:
Works fine for me , and there is an evaluation version (right next to the buy version - its a really big blue arrow). Or you could search online for another one.
Also, thank you for your plesent comments.
Lorft
aphrodite1
02-10-2006, 03:25
Atari hasn't handed out that URL. Meaning that anyone who's used it 'snuck in the unlocked door'. That is a crime in most countries. :)
Doesnt matter that it's going to be the correct link once they announce it. It's illegal until they do. Justify all you want, but facts are facts.
Nightmist
02-10-2006, 04:18
Atari hasn't handed out that URL. Meaning that anyone who's used it 'snuck in the unlocked door'. That is a crime in most countries. :)
Doesnt matter that it's going to be the correct link once they announce it. It's illegal until they do. Justify all you want, but facts are facts.
Visiting an URL that is completely publicly avaliable to everyone isn't illegal just because no one told you to go there. If they happen upon it by chance and download a file that is linked to... I'd say you can't throw them in jail for that. It's even a banner that says 'click here to download the toolset'.
People can happen upon it by chance and not know if this is suppose to be an exclusive deal or not. There are enough ways to protect files with passwords to type, agreements to click, warnings to read etc. if the files are suppose to be avaliable only to a select few.
And for the record... I didn't download anything from that site, so I have nothing to justify. It's just annoying when people try to act like lawyer and judge, and accuse people of commiting crimes, when it's none of their business.
aphrodite1
02-10-2006, 04:51
Sorry, but as so aptly compared elsewhere 'just because the company forgot to lock the door to the store when they closed, doesnt mean it's ok for you to enter it and take expensive software'.
That said, I know people who downloaded it/are downloading it, and I don't care one way or the other. But to come onto this forum and bitch because you're stealing is too slow, is quite another issue.
I would think Atari could care less how fast the download is until they sanction it.
Dear evenios:
Everyone (atleast everyone who have rights = have preordered and get they preorder code) can download that toolset.
I personally used FTP and getright. Allso you can use firefox quite easily. I suggest trying to tucows and find FTP or google and keyword "download firefox"
Atari give us toolset like they promise. We can download it like they promise. After download it works like they promise. After you install it you clearly see that you can install / use it only if you have your legal preorder code and you can not give it away or so.
I can not see why peoples are now complaining. Sure, it is big thing to download. Sure, they might have handler it a better way.
But it was free, we get it (technicly) before 2:nd day of this month.. ..so they keep they words.
Now everything they "own" to us is NWN2 limited / collectors edition when it is time (and what we have allready payed for).
Untill that time I am happy and now I will head for my preorder toolset and start converting scripts from NWN1 to NWN2 and check which one works. After that I start building our PW.
Thank you atari!! :atari:
Sure, I admid it. This might have handled better but hey, after all I get what they promised (this far) and that is in the end what I care about.
If some other peoples use that toolset illegally.. ..well, it is basicly same as cracked game. If someone did not notise it is possible to download NWN1 at the internet and use it illegally. That is moral thing to do and against law. I do not start blaming Atari becouse they do not make starforce copyprotection for preorder toolset or something fancy like that.
Heck I bet this is one of they very few "games" or utils what DID NOT get cracked and leaked to the pirate world BEFORE actually get to the paying customers!! Most games and utils are stealen from gold state or even before so it is rarity to see this happen.
But now, back to my toolset! 10sur10
Knight_Sir_Galahad
02-10-2006, 08:54
i only have part 3 and 4, almost got part 5 and 6, the other 4 won't seem to start downloading, it's only allowing 2 downloads at a time for me on filezilla
The default in Filezilla is to only allow 2 connections at the same time. It can easily be adjusted - I set mine to 9 and downloaded all parts at once.
it was not free. unless otherwise stated i won't get my 10€ back from amazon (actually 13€, for shipping), so please stop using that argument. i am not pleased that now everyone can download what i was stupid enough to pay 10€ for.
Strange? They actually charge you extra? I mean, you do not get 10e discount for actual game?
it was not free. unless otherwise stated i won't get my 10€ back from amazon (actually 13€, for shipping), so please stop using that argument. i am not pleased that now everyone can download what i was stupid enough to pay 10€ for.
I understand and agree. Viv/Blacky bad to buy it as well (as far as I can tell she didn't know it was deductable in other countries at the time, unless I misunderstood her), and it's been stated more than enough times now that it wasn't free for the germans (and maybe others?). If we had one in our own language (which I wouldn't like to begin with), chances would've been that we had to pay it as well, so I'm lucky we have the UK version here.
There is no reason to keep saying it was free, cause it isn't for everyone (I'd still try to get the discount when buying it, if I was a german).
I better stop before I'm ranting too much again.
[EDIT]
Now someone else beat me to replying again. *sniffs*
Knight_Sir_Galahad
02-10-2006, 10:45
The default in Filezilla is to only allow 2 connections at the same time. It can easily be adjusted - I set mine to 9 and downloaded all parts at once.
how do you adjust it ?
i've been trying to figure out how to do it for the past 2 hours lol
maybe amazon.de _will_ refund our 10€, but as they don't say so on their webpages and don't know anything about it when asked directly (only heard of, didn't ask myself) i must believe the money is lost. perhaps they'll surprise me, but it's not chrismas anytime soon, and i'm not used to get presents in advance.
I confess I don't know how Amazon were selling a pre-order deposit. It makes sense for a high street retailer because you can take the box in to show your proof of purchase or something. What does it say on the webpage at Amazon?
what idiot.....what complete moron chose to release the toolset on a weekend instead of a weekday
Thats not a good start........ dark: :nono:
forgive my rudeness but i am FED UP
I wont forgive your rudeness at all (or anybody else's for that matter!). Either use these boards with a degree of respect or I will have no choice but to act....... dark:
Nightmist
02-10-2006, 21:53
Sorry, but as so aptly compared elsewhere 'just because the company forgot to lock the door to the store when they closed, doesnt mean it's ok for you to enter it and take expensive software'.
That said, I know people who downloaded it/are downloading it, and I don't care one way or the other. But to come onto this forum and bitch because you're stealing is too slow, is quite another issue.
I would think Atari could care less how fast the download is until they sanction it.
Alright, I don't really want to argue any more about this as I have fairly clearly stated what I think about the situation. But your "forgot to lock the door" example isn't valid. It would be much better to compare to a private road with a sign that reads "Please drive here!" where the owner only meant that for his friends. If you accidentally come upon the road and the sign and drive there, you can't possibly be fined for it with such misleading infomation.
Secondly, it's not stealing! Accusing someone wrongfully is just as bad! An important element of theft is that by stealing, you deprive the owner the use of the property. So, while you may have an opinion on the matter, don't try to make it worse by spouting accusations left and right. Using someone's private road isn't the same as stealing it.
Thank you.
An important element of theft is that by stealing, you deprive the owner the use of the property. So, while you may have an opinion on the matter, don't try to make it worse by spouting accusations left and right.hmm... no.
following your lead it would be ok to watch a movie in cinema without paying? or living in your flat while you're on vacation? it's really not that simple. please refer to your own last sentence, would you?
Nightmist
02-10-2006, 22:05
hmm... no.
following your lead it would be ok to watch a movie in cinema without paying? or living in your flat while you're on vacation? it's really not that simple. please refer to your own last sentence, would you?
Please read what I wrote again. Many things are wrong to do, but not all of them are stealing. Killing someone is wrong to do. Usually even illegal. But it's not stealing. Theft is one type of crime. Downloading the toolset is not theft. It would be like I accused you of libel if you made fun of Atari. Libel is a crime. Making fun of Atari is no crime.
Do you understand now?
Alright, I don't really want to argue any more about this as I have fairly clearly stated what I think about the situation. But your "forgot to lock the door" example isn't valid. It would be much better to compare to a private road with a sign that reads "Please drive here!" where the owner only meant that for his friends. If you accidentally come upon the road and the sign and drive there, you can't possibly be fined for it with such misleading infomation.
Secondly, it's not stealing! Accusing someone wrongfully is just as bad! An important element of theft is that by stealing, you deprive the owner the use of the property. So, while you may have an opinion on the matter, don't try to make it worse by spouting accusations left and right. Using someone's private road isn't the same as stealing it.
Thank you.
however using that said road without his permission whilst not stealing is illegal.
I believe a better example than the locked store would be to compare it to downloading copyed music...which as we all know...if done without the creators permission is illegal. The fact si that atari did not posts that link...they did not say you could download it...and the link itself was found typing in urls that have not got offical links to yet. Atari in no way gave you permission to do this.
That said this entire thing is jsut one big mistake i wish never happened :noooo:
This was the personal choice of all those who did download and i dont mean to call you right or wrong this is jsut my view on things.
so you only comment because you don't like the word "stealing"? hey, we are no lawyers here, neither judges. so it may not be "stealing" in a professional sense, but still it is "taking without paying for", ain't it? and - correct me if i'm wrong - most commoners simply ignore the lawyers' definitions and call that "stealing" nontheless.
please, use your common sense of what's right and what's not. because _that's_ what we are talking about, not some academics definitions.
Nightmist
02-10-2006, 22:15
however using that said road without his permission whilst not stealing is illegal.
I believe a better example than the locked store would be to compare it to downloading copyed music...which as we all know...if done without the creators permission is illegal. The fact si that atari did not posts that link...they did not say you could download it...and the link itself was found typing in urls that have not got offical links to yet. Atari in no way gave you permission to do this.
Yes, all you say is correct. Copying music without permission is not stealing, nor is it libel. It is something else (copyright infringement). Driving illegally on a road that has misguiding signs is nowhere near as bad as theft. So my point still is... accusing people out of ignorance and spite is not a good thing to do.
BlackHawk01x
02-10-2006, 22:52
Well it's not a good thing to make fun of others who paid 'cause' they paid too, no?
Well it's may not stealing, but it's illegal. When Person A pays something, Person B,C,D etc. are not allowed to take this 'to be paid'-product for free. Call it hacking, betraying the legal customers or whatever, it is and stays illegal, sadly it not seems to be done anything against them so most have to feel like they're all well to do that... well most people who does something illegal are well with it until they're caught *shrugs* Well anyways: It is and stays illegal.
Nightmist
02-10-2006, 22:54
so you only comment because you don't like the word "stealing"? hey, we are no lawyers here, neither judges. so it may not be "stealing" in a professional sense, but still it is "taking without paying for", ain't it? and - correct me if i'm wrong - most commoners simply ignore the lawyers' definitions and call that "stealing" nontheless.
please, use your common sense of what's right and what's not. because _that's_ what we are talking about, not some academics definitions.
We're talking about showing people respect, and not jump at their throats and call them a rapist when they have commited no rape, but something more trivial.
I use common sense. I break some laws without giving it much thought, while other laws I never break.
tenebra_uk
02-10-2006, 23:06
Yes, all you say is correct. Copying music without permission is not stealing
Downloading, copying, buying and distributing copyrighted material without the copyright owner's permission goes under the generic label of piracy, which is a crime and loosely related to theft. Like it or not, that is the case.
Just for the records, mentioning or encouraging piracy is agaist the law and the forum rules. Couple that with the fact that is a very sensitive issue with me and I might stop being too nice. Just to spell it out, whilst I'll pretend I haven't seen spam or a swear word, I will not put up with piracy and such.
Nightmist
02-10-2006, 23:10
Well it's not a good thing to make fun of others who paid 'cause' they paid too, no?
Well it's may not stealing, but it's illegal. When Person A pays something, Person B,C,D etc. are not allowed to take this 'to be paid'-product for free. Call it hacking, betraying the legal customers or whatever, it is and stays illegal, sadly it not seems to be done anything against them so most have to feel like they're all well to do that... well most people who does something illegal are well with it until they're caught *shrugs* Well anyways: It is and stays illegal.
It's not as black and white as you want it to be. You can't just treat people as you want just because they have done something you deem illegal, though.
A crime can have extenuating circumstances. Like with the road the misleading sign, or if the owner of the road promised a permission for driving there a certain day but didn't deliver (so he should have the permission) etc. It can even lead to all charges bein dropped. And if that's the case, the accused is not guilty of any crime.
But I guess you're all on a witch hunt here because you feel cheated.
tenebra_uk
02-10-2006, 23:12
Nightmist, I think I was very clear. Drop it now, please.
Nightmist
02-10-2006, 23:15
Downloading, copying, buying and distributing copyrighted material without the copyright owner's permission goes under the generic label of piracy, which is a crime and loosely related to theft. Like it or not, that is the case.
Just for the records, mentioning or encouraging piracy is agaist the law and the forum rules. Couple that with the fact that is a very sensitive issue with me and I might stop being too nice. Just to spell it out, whilst I'll pretend I haven't seen spam or a swear word, I will not put up with piracy and such.
That's cool. And I certainly don't encourage piracy here. I just don't think it's the other forum member's place to accuse people left and right and call them criminals when they have paid for the pre-order toolset.
Just to be clear: I want people to be nice to each other, and I DO NOT encourage committing piracy by engaging in robbery, pillaging, or plundering at sea.
Nightmist, I think I was very clear. Drop it now, please.
Pardon. I posted that before seeing your response.
ah, and nightmist... please don't beat blackhawk (or myself) for not finding exactly the right words to express ourselves properly. it just happens that we are germans, happy to be your guests at the uk forums as we actually lack any support from atari germany. maybe sometimes our postings sound offending although we didn't intend to (yeah, sometimes even me tries to be polite *g*).
BlackHawk01x
02-10-2006, 23:25
That's cool. And I certainly don't encourage piracy here. I just don't think it's the other forum member's place to accuse people left and right and call them criminals when they have paid for the pre-order toolset.
Uhm.. just a very last thing from me to that *smiles*
I think tanita and myself we both were talking all the time about the people who did not pay it and anyways got to download it.
However besides that I stand behind what Tanita and Tenebra said in their last two postings :)
*will be calm again so the discussion not starts again*
Nightmist
02-10-2006, 23:31
That's cool. I'm not English. I'm Norwegian. So we both have to communicate in a "buffer language" here.
I just assume that most people that are even remotely interested in the toolset have paid or will pay for NWN2 in one way or another (pre-order or wait), and are somewhat frustrated. So calling them criminals isn't the best way to forge a strong community ;)
I think I have bought every Black Isle/Bioware/Obsidian RPG made for the PC, and thus several Atari published games. And I intend to buy NWN2 as well. Roleplaying online is my passion, and thus I hope the great community from NWN1 continues.
tenebra_uk
03-10-2006, 00:31
I do understand that it's out of sheer passion and impatience, that's why you haven't been introduced to the infamous sledgehammer as yet (he's a cruel piece of work, trust me). This doesn't mean that less than legal activities should be encouraged, and please be behind me with that.
You know you'll always have 100% and more support from me, let's make sure it's all on the good side though, yeah? Clean posts, constructive criticism and keep away from unofficial stuff. Deal?
Nightmist
03-10-2006, 00:59
I do understand that it's out of sheer passion and impatience, that's why you haven't been introduced to the infamous sledgehammer as yet (he's a cruel piece of work, trust me). This doesn't mean that less than legal activities should be encouraged, and please be behind me with that.
You know you'll always have 100% and more support from me, let's make sure it's all on the good side though, yeah? Clean posts, constructive criticism and keep away from unofficial stuff. Deal?
Yeah, I guess the ideology somehow got lost in the excursus. I'll just wait constructively for the official release of the toolset as I haven't downloaded it yet.
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