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roadrash
10-10-2006, 11:40
Hi you car crazy people!
OK, just to let you all know, we are cracking the whip over Eden, and they are busy working through the next update, which will be released soon..
A game of this scope and complexity has never been released on Xbox live before, and it was impossible to beta test it with the volume of users that jumped online as soon as it was released. With a PC game, its comparatively easy to do large scale multiplayer beta tests.. you can run your own servers, update and patch as many times as you require (several times a day if necessary!) and basically have complete control.
This just simply isnt possible with console titles.
Anyway, the update should fix all the major issues so far discovered. Thanks for bearing with us, and as soon as I get a more definite release date, Ill communicate this directly.
Thanks for all your support.
andywright
10-10-2006, 12:02
The update should fix all the major issues so far discovered. Thanks for bearing with us, and as soon as I get a more definite release date, Ill communicate this directly.
Thanks for all your support.
Firstly, thanks for a truly great game. :atari: 10sur10
Secondly, you mention all major issues discovered. Don't suppose we could ask for some form of developer's bug list to see if we've made any difference to the 'de-bugging' process so to speak.
Pretty please..... :)
Jimster71
10-10-2006, 12:12
Thanks for the update.
roadrash
10-10-2006, 12:26
Firstly, thanks for a truly great game. :atari: 10sur10
Secondly, you mention all major issues discovered. Don't suppose we could ask for some form of developer's bug list to see if we've made any difference to the 'de-bugging' process so to speak.
Pretty please..... :)
Sorry, I dont have a specific list of what they are working on..But it will be bug fixes, not enhancements.. so if you were hoping for a fuel gauge and the ability to stop at petrol stations to fill up, Im afraid youre going to be disapointed :(
hmm i never knew they could do detailed enhancements like that but were very happy with the bug fixes woohoo :atari:
andywright
10-10-2006, 12:30
Sorry, I dont have a specific list of what they are working on..But it will be bug fixes, not enhancements.. so if you were hoping for a fuel gauge and the ability to stop at petrol stations to fill up, Im afraid youre going to be disapointed :(
No worries, it was just a long shot anyway, so thanks for the info.
The last thing I would want though is a fuel gauge etc, it would ruin the game(and I'd be forever filling up the Saleen, lol :laugh: )
CyberSaint
10-10-2006, 12:56
Thanks for the info...we needed that!
:atari:
allmighteh
10-10-2006, 14:38
Thx for the info :) do u have an ETA of when u will get an ETA ? lol
That's great to hear, good to know that Atari/Eden are right on it and we appreciate you keeping us informed also, most places wouldn't give a rats behind to their community but you guys have gone past expectations, I know others will disagree and will say "it's about time" but it looks like you guys have listened and are acting on getting this sorted fairly quickly.
Thanks again.
nothing new about PC version ? :noooo:
theeBiGbAdGaZ
10-10-2006, 16:08
thanks for the update.
great game BTW, its the only thing thats been able to pull me off World of Warcraft for the last 4 weeks :)
allmighteh
10-10-2006, 16:11
thanks for the update.
great game BTW, its the only thing thats been able to pull me off World of Warcraft for the last 4 weeks :)
wow its like me tonguegre
thanks for the update.
great game BTW, its the only thing thats been able to pull me off World of Warcraft for the last 4 weeks :)
jup, and me playing PGR3 - but this one is much more fun - thx again and maybe just another info on the (estimated) shedule for the patch ? :shy:
the_gaming_guy
10-10-2006, 16:42
Thanks mate... :atari:
Where's Paven when you need him?
Thanks :atari: Can't wait for the update, now I will be able to beat Newbies silly, alot easier lolblue:
tenebra_uk
10-10-2006, 17:00
maybe just another info on the (estimated) shedule for the patch ? :shy:
Don't worry, you won't have to wait for too long ;)
Yup, cheaters will be neutralised, Nwata :)
Don't worry, you won't have to wait for too long ;)
Yup, cheaters will be neutralised, Nwata :)
lolblue: lolblue: I love their reaction when I pass them at 250MPH, then they ask what car it is, so I tell them it's a tuned up Skoda tonguegre
Jimster71
10-10-2006, 17:05
Don't worry, you won't have to wait for too long ;)
Should we be reading anything in that wink? weirdblue
lolblue: lolblue: I love their reaction when I pass them at 250MPH, then they ask what car it is, so I tell them it's a tuned up Skoda tonguegre
superg that's a good one, btw i drive a skoda ocativa 1.9 diesel :)
Don't worry, you won't have to wait for too long ;)
Yup, cheaters will be neutralised, Nwata :)
that sounds awsome, can't wait :atari:
Oh I hope they managed to squeeze an odometer into the incar view. :nuts:
Good news about the cheaters also.
reece_sis
10-10-2006, 18:44
Oh I hope they managed to squeeze an odometer into the incar view. :nuts:
Good news about the cheaters also.
Yay cheaters go! mdr1 :atari:
fun-meter
10-10-2006, 18:53
Well, its good news. But im still not happy, my Xbox 360 just died on me, 3 red lights at the front. And before that (last few days), its been crashing and freezing on TDU.
Hopefully i wont loose my saved data on my HDD, as i'll be annoyed having to do my games again, espcially TDU with all my cars.
Im not pointing any fingers at what caused my xbox 360 to die, but im not ruling out TDU with its bugs and problems, because its the only game i've been playing for the last month, and the problems have only occured since then.
Well, its good news. But im still not happy, my Xbox 360 just died on me, 3 red lights at the front. And before that (last few days), its been crashing and freezing on TDU.
Hopefully i wont loose my saved data on my HDD, as i'll be annoyed having to do my games again, espcially TDU with all my cars.
Im not pointing any fingers at what caused my xbox 360 to die, but im not ruling out TDU with its bugs and problems, because its the only game i've been playing for the last month, and the problems have only occured since then.If the game killed your 360 then a lot more people would be saying the same thing but do you see 1000's of people saying "TDU Killed my 360 !!". No you have a duff 360 or it's overheating or whatnot, mine has been cool as ice running TDU and all other games also, Yeah I've had the freezes, but out of myself plus others playing TDU on my 360 which equals close to around 200 hours of gameplay I must have freezed only around 4 times thus far. *touch wood*
fun-meter
10-10-2006, 19:19
If the game killed your 360 then a lot more people would be saying the same thing but do you see 1000's of people saying "TDU Killed my 360 !!". No you have a duff 360 or it's overheating or whatnot, mine has been cool as ice running TDU and all other games also, Yeah I've had the freezes, but out of myself plus others playing TDU on my 360 which equals close to around 200 hours of gameplay I must have freezed only around 4 times thus far. *touch wood*
No need to get your back up about it.. lol
As it is, i said im not pointing any fingers. But to me, it just seems a bit of a coninsidence.
Mine started freezing every now and then, then its increased over the last few days, and then died about an hour ago today.
Im just a bit annoyed by it to be honest, i was hoping mine would be okay, as i got it in February this year, so it wasnt some of the troublesome first few batches.
I think TDU runs the 360 quite brutally but the 360 as it should be can handle it fairly well, it should not kill your system unless there was something wrong there to be begin with. That's all I meant, plus MS themselves have said those machines made before 1st January this year will be fixed for free or something. If it's outwith that though then you're stuck unless in you're in europe and have our standard 12 months warranty on everything.
I just checked mine and it was manufactured the 19th November 2005. Hmm ...
fun-meter
10-10-2006, 19:58
Yeh, no problem. :)
Typical, MFR date = 04-01-06
I bought it from Comet so should be okay (1 year warranty). But i'll phone M/S first and try getting it repaired so i can minimise loosing my HDD info. And if they say about 1st of Jan date thing, then i'll have a moan and say about trading standards, because im well within my own rights.
Cheers though, I'll see what happens.
the_gaming_guy
10-10-2006, 20:44
Yeh, no problem. :)
Typical, MFR date = 04-01-06
I bought it from Comet so should be okay (1 year warranty). But i'll phone M/S first and try getting it repaired so i can minimise loosing my HDD info. And if they say about 1st of Jan date thing, then i'll have a moan and say about trading standards, because im well within my own rights.
Cheers though, I'll see what happens.
KEEP YOUR HARD DRIVE. Else you'll lose it all.
tenebra_uk
10-10-2006, 22:12
Fun Meter, I totally understand your upset but TDU doesn't seem to be the cause, there are no reports of similar cases as yours.
As Diablo says, there is quite a chance that TDU pushes the console quite heavily - I've been lucky and haven't had a single crash yet - but there's a hell of a lot of difference between overheating and going to the console heaven. Make sure they replace it this time.
fun-meter
10-10-2006, 23:04
Cheers. Im going to go over to Comet this week with the console, and see if i can swap it over instead of sending it off. And keep the HDD with me, so i dont loose any of my stuff.
I shall wait and see. Im looking forward to getting back on the game and flooring the Murcielago after watching the LP640 on Fifth gear last night. :)
tenebra_uk
11-10-2006, 00:09
Let us know what happens, I'll be happy to help you out with anything I can do :)
Cheers. Im going to go over to Comet this week with the console, and see if i can swap it over instead of sending it off. And keep the HDD with me, so i dont loose any of my stuff.
I shall wait and see. Im looking forward to getting back on the game and flooring the Murcielago after watching the LP640 on Fifth gear last night. :)
Google (other search engines are available) "Sale of Goods Act" and go in knowing your rights, too many people return their 360's to Microsoft then whinge about the delay whereas if they'd returned it to the point of purchase they may have got a replacement there and then.
Greetings. My name's Ejiro and I've poked my head in from the American TDU forum.
I'm delighted to hear that Eden and Atari are working hard on a patch to resolve all the issues with the game.
However I am a bit confused as to why the reps from Atari or Eden hardly ever post news such as this and updates on the North American forum?
Eventually it ends up trickling over there... usually several days to several weeks later. But we rarely have a rep just pop in and say... "hello to the thousands of Americans who have purchased this game! Fear not, your money has been well spent and a patch is on the way!"
Nope... instead, just silence.
We all feel very un-loved over there and neglected.
A little more contact from Atari reps and Eden developer staffers would be nice from time to time and it would probably help to quench to rather acidic and irritable fans over there.
Anyway... nice to meet you all.
I shall patiently wait for the new patch.
-EJIRO
No need to get your back up about it.. lol
As it is, i said im not pointing any fingers. But to me, it just seems a bit of a coninsidence.
Mine started freezing every now and then, then its increased over the last few days, and then died about an hour ago today.
Im just a bit annoyed by it to be honest, i was hoping mine would be okay, as i got it in February this year, so it wasnt some of the troublesome first few batches.
i kno how u feel, it happened to me, freezin every so often then gradually gettin worse til it dies completley
mine also was onli playin tdu, but i did play saints row for bout 10 mins b4 i realised wat i was doin, then stuck tdu bak in, lol
im sendin mine off to ms, they sed i can keep my hdd and faceplate weirdblue
tenebra_uk
11-10-2006, 16:58
Hi Ejiro, welcome to this part of the forum world :salut2:
Fear not, Atari hasn't forgotten about you, in fact you guys have a super Community Manager who you can trust to do his best to keep you informed of any news :) You will appreciate that there are several big titles being released at the moment, hence it's a bit difficult for Atari staff to engage extensively with the community. It's a bit of a catch 22 situation - you'd like them to be more active now, but unfortunately it's now that they need to focus on a massive amount of work :)
Make yourself at home, plenty of American peeps here :)
the_gaming_guy
11-10-2006, 17:00
:atari: UK FTW! mdr1
I can understand Ejiro, in the us forum is much much less info on what is going on, almost no info at all. I tried to log on the US-Forum but it doesn't let me, so i couldn't post a link to this article over there, that is why they just find out by accident. I think that is kind of a shame, cause the american mod should have the same info then you guys have. Just my 2 cent
McLaren_F1
11-10-2006, 20:24
Neat, does the bugs include the trade thing or is me being stupid again.
and im american, and i hate the american forums lol
Thanks for update.
tenebra_uk
11-10-2006, 23:56
Yup, trade will be sorted out too :)
Well, I'm glad you guys like it here. We have a history of enjoying the multi-cultural touch, and I hope it stays this way :)
thanx for the update i was wondering when something waas going to happen.
Yeh, no problem. :)
Typical, MFR date = 04-01-06
I bought it from Comet so should be okay (1 year warranty). But i'll phone M/S first and try getting it repaired so i can minimise loosing my HDD info. And if they say about 1st of Jan date thing, then i'll have a moan and say about trading standards, because im well within my own rights.
Cheers though, I'll see what happens.
May I say best of luck because lately whenever I have phoned Xbox customer support I have been redirected to a call centre in india and it's a nightmare. I must of spent 20mins explaining my Ref No and my name & address, heaven forbid if I had to phone them if my 360 packed up. If I had known they were going to switch to a call centre in india I wouldn't of taken out the extended warranty because I feel like I have wasted £59.
On topic may I say thanks for letting us know about the update this is good to hear.
fun-meter
12-10-2006, 11:22
May I say best of luck because lately whenever I have phoned Xbox customer support I have been redirected to a call centre in india and it's a nightmare. I must of spent 20mins explaining my Ref No and my name & address, heaven forbid if I had to phone them if my 360 packed up. If I had known they were going to switch to a call centre in india I wouldn't of taken out the extended warranty because I feel like I have wasted £59.
On topic may I say thanks for letting us know about the update this is good to hear.
Cheers for that (and other peoples responses). :)
Im taking it back to Comet today, all the items in the original box with reciept and warranty. So im planning on explaining it to them, and going to try and get them to swap it all and keep my HDD, or swap just the console itself and keep my HDD (i.e. a core package). As all the other parts work and look almost new.
Thanks again :)
Cheers for that (and other peoples responses). :)
Im taking it back to Comet today, all the items in the original box with reciept and warranty. So im planning on explaining it to them, and going to try and get them to swap it all and keep my HDD, or swap just the console itself and keep my HDD (i.e. a core package). As all the other parts work and look almost new.
Thanks again :)
Just to let you know that when I took my 360 back to game they did give me the option of keeping my HDD so hopefully Comet will do the same.
i got my 360 premium from argos, they say i cant swap teh console cos i have had it more than 30 days weirdblue
is what they are doing against the rights of the customer, or are they entitled to do that, i have the receipt and original packaging, and they won tlet me kno if i can keep my hdd til i take it ALL in to the store
any help would b gr8ly apprecaited, thanks :atari:
De_Charel
12-10-2006, 12:13
I'm not sure, but i think they are not allowed to do that.
According to the european law, you should have a 3 year warranty on every electronic device unless stated otherwise.
I repeat, i'm not sure but i think thats right (correct me if wrong)
I don't know what the store policy is on that subject, but 30-days seem a bit short?
ok, cheers for that anyway, im gonna phone them later
lolblue: lolblue: I love their reaction when I pass them at 250MPH, then they ask what car it is, so I tell them it's a tuned up Skoda tonguegre
Were do I tune up the Skonda? lolblue: lolblue:
Great news to get an update.. on the update.
Now when do we think the DLC pack is getting released mdr1
I hope the new update will allow us to finally upload are shots to a finished hosting website.
Yup, trade will be sorted out too :)
Well, I'm glad you guys like it here. We have a history of enjoying the multi-cultural touch, and I hope it stays this way :)
Thanks for the nice welcome Tenebra. If there are no objections I think I'll stay over on this side of the pond for a while as I'm kind of getting sick of the general 'party-pooper' moan and groan catfighting garbage that goes on over there (American forum)
Personally I LOVE the game. Yes it's buggy, and after getting very close to ace rank I've decided to stop playing the game until it's been patched as I'm fearful that my game progress might be zapped away as has happened to others. eekblue:
But in the long run I hope Atari and Eden support this game for a long while and that it makes enough money to ultimately warrant second installment, third, etc... I have long been waiting for someone to attempt this totally open sandbox car game with real world cars. and Eden has delivered.
Once all the XboxLive stuff is patched up... this game will be 5-star!
-ejiro
Faultier2006
12-10-2006, 17:32
First of all:
great game
I even finished it two times because the first progress got lost. Anyway, I did not regret any minutes :atari:
All I want to know is, when we see the new cars and what cars it will be :chapeau:
fun-meter
12-10-2006, 18:58
Comet arent allowed to replace them as they dont hold the warranty. But i spent 31minutes on the phone to MS call centres to Americans that where a bit dense and couldnt understand well.
Cut a long (and annoying) story short, MS are having it picked up then fixed, then sent back to me.
But i had to register my console, sort out my address (spelling most things one letter at a time).
So heres a recommdation to you all, avoid MS customer service and call centres, they are ****.
Hopefully, it will all get sorted by MS, and at least i dont have to send my HDD. :)
Crazed_Dodgem
12-10-2006, 19:58
register your console online first!
god help me if i had to spell out the welsh place names for customer support, whilst the person is asking if i am sure i havent missed any vowels
This is what happened last time (claiming insurance after our car was torched :()
Phone person: Where do you live
Dad: i live in Clwyd
Phone person: spell that please
Dad:C-L-W-Y-D
Phone person: Hang on, i think you have missed a vowel
Dad: nope, i spelt it right
Phone person: So why are there no vowels
Dad: because it is a welsh word
Phone person: ahhhh
yh, my convo with ms went like tht too
he manged to spell nipper wrong(my email addy)
he spelt it nippeir weirdblue
Comet arent allowed to replace them as they dont hold the warranty.
Read up on the Sale of Goods Act and go back....
can i have a link to teh sales goods act thing please :)
Most companies adhere to a 28 day exchange and refund if faulty policy. After those first 28 days it is down to the manufacturer and how they wish to deal with it. For example PC's are murder, they always have to go back, TV's you usually have someone come and check it out, Ipod's are best, apple usually just say exchange there and then especially if it's a screen issue or that they have went throught the manual rebooting and it still doesn't fix it.
Sales of Goods act will not scare any company unless it's faulty within that 28 day period and they won't change it for you or there has been a recall issued for it. Best advice I can give you, make it seem like it's their fault but don't get angry, most sales people will make it hell for you if you make it hell for them, if you're decent then they'll be decent. Also the higher the person you deal with the better cause usually they have the idea of "Enrage that person and make them wait for ages where they then they tell others and we lose a lot of consumers, or, sort it quickly, take the hit for 4 weeks till we get it back and keep the customer very happy and returning.".
I'm not sure, but i think they are not allowed to do that.
According to the european law, you should have a 3 year warranty on every electronic device unless stated otherwise.
I repeat, i'm not sure but i think thats right (correct me if wrong)
I don't know what the store policy is on that subject, but 30-days seem a bit short?
They are within their rights. Its manufacturers wauranty, after 30 days you need to go to them (MS in this case). If varies between places you buy from though, but it's always best (and easier) to go to the manufacturer (even if it doesnt seem like it at the time)
fun-meter
13-10-2006, 10:15
Yeh, with Comet if it goes wrong within a month, they'll swap it no questions asked i believe. But after that time, its back to MS. Even though its still under warranty, and MS pay for it all.
cheers
They are within their rights. Its manufacturers wauranty, after 30 days you need to go to them (MS in this case). If varies between places you buy from though, but it's always best (and easier) to go to the manufacturer (even if it doesnt seem like it at the time)
Wrong, the contract is between you (the customer) and the seller, not the manufacturer. They do not have to refund, they can offer a repair but the onus is on the seller to resolve the problem. If goods do not conform to contract at the time of sale, purchasers can request their money back "within a reasonable time". This is the grey area! So armed with this knowledge you can get the shop to replace your iPod....trust me, I have!
www.dti.gov.uk/consumers/fact-sheets/page24700.html (http://www.dti.gov.uk/consumers/fact-sheets/page24700.html)
http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/bglitem.cgi?file=badv073-1011.txt
read what I put. AFTER 30 days... which is a reasonable time.
read what I put. AFTER 30 days... which is a reasonable time.
and read the Sales of Good Act, you contract is with them, not Microsoft. It may be easier for you in this instance to go direct to Microsoft (especially if they will only offer a repair, but think if your TV went wrong do you call Sony/Toshiba? Or take your car back to the factory?
Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as Amended By The Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994 and The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002)
"Under the Act you can expect that any goods you buy from a trader are entitled to be:
of satisfactory quality,
fit for any particular purpose made known to the seller; and
as described.
Satisfactory quality means that the goods would meet the standard a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory taking into account the description of the goods, the price (if relevant) and all other relevant circumstances. The quality of the goods includes their state and condition including their appearance and finish, freedom from minor defects, safety and durability. They should also be fit for all purposes for which goods of that kind are commonly supplied. Your rights under this Act are against the person who sold you the goods and not the manufacturer."
http://www.hants.gov.uk/regulatory/advice/buygoods.html
Apologies for the double post, the highlights are as follows-
"It is important to remember these rights exist automatically, between you and the trader. The trader should accept liability for any problems under the contract."
"Don’t be fobbed off by a trader who tells you to take it up with the manufacturer."
"Only when you buy goods directly from the manufacturer is your contract with them and the same rights as above will apply."
"Since 31st March 2003 the law gives you another option for goods purchased after this date. You can request a repair or replacement. If the item cannot be repaired or replaced or if this is considered too costly, taking into account the type of fault, you have the right to some or all of your money back."
"Within the first six months, it is for the trader to show the product was not faulty when purchased."
"Sometimes it can be easier to sort out a problem with a warranty and you are entitled to enforce these rights separately to the main contract."
Electrical goods come with what is known as a manufacturers guarentee or wauranty. In some cases it is best to take it up with the manufacturer.
Using the ipod as an example again, I got mine from ebay, had problems with it, went to apple and they fixed it under the 12 month manufacturers wauranty rather than trying to struggle over ebay.
Either way, read the card that comes with the appliance or whatever, it states it all clearly in there. Currys, comet etc. usually cover the guarentees anyway so its not an issue. If the place you got it from sends you to the manufacturer, try them, after all the shop will send it back to them anyway so you cut out the middle man and save hassel...
Electrical goods come with what is known as a manufacturers guarentee or wauranty. In some cases it is best to take it up with the manufacturer.
Using the ipod as an example again, I got mine from ebay, had problems with it, went to apple and they fixed it under the 12 month manufacturers wauranty rather than trying to struggle over ebay.
Either way, read the card that comes with the appliance or whatever, it states it all clearly in there. Currys, comet etc. usually cover the guarentees anyway so its not an issue. If the place you got it from sends you to the manufacturer, try them, after all the shop will send it back to them anyway so you cut out the middle man and save hassel...
Here's what you can find if you look on the net...
http://money.guardian.co.uk/experts/legal/story/0,,1787459,00.html
Manufacturers' guarantees, or warranties as they are sometimes called, were introduced to enhance companies' reputations for supplying quality goods. They are provided free of charge at the point of sale and come with a promise to repair or replace goods if they go wrong in the first 12 months.
But manufacturer's guarantees do not replace your basic shopping rights outlined in the Sale of Goods Act, which allow you to claim against the retailer if you buy faulty goods. In fact, the manufacturer is legally obliged to draw your attention to the legal rights under the act.
Consumers are generally better off pursuing Sale of Goods Act rights against the retailer, as these are stronger than those contained in a manufacturer's guarantee and last for up to six years from the date of purchase. The goods you buy must be reasonably durable and of satisfactory quality and fit for their purpose.
Big-ticket electrical appliances such as iPods, washing machines and dishwashers should be expected to last for several years. You should be able to claim compensation from the retailer if they break down within that period as long as they have been used normally. Your rights do not come to an end after 12 months simply because the manufacturer's guarantee has expired.
Apple and Microsoft are amongst the exceptions to the rule, offering the consumer a means of repair without involving the retailer, which is ideal if you have bought online or secondhand.
And if you read here http://money.guardian.co.uk/howtocomplain/story/0,,1738830,00.html "Faulty goods? You've still got rights when the guarantee runs out" we're all ok when our 360's die after a year (albeit with a little bit of a fight for our rights) mdr1
and are we not on about a Microsoft Xbox 360?
bit off topic this anyway isnt it? I want to know about the update/patch not read my rights re: the sales of good act ****.
and are we not on about a Microsoft Xbox 360?
bit off topic this anyway isnt it? I want to know about the update/patch not read my rights re: the sales of good act ****.
Sorry I was just correcting your posts where you gave incorrect information
They are within their rights. Its manufacturers wauranty, after 30 days you need to go to them (MS in this case). If varies between places you buy from though, but it's always best (and easier) to go to the manufacturer (even if it doesnt seem like it at the time)
It may assist someone in the future to know their rights...
my info wasn't incorrect, after 30 days if you have a problem with your 360 you go back to MS and its sorted quicker. The seller is also within their rights to refer you to the manufacturer (they just can't refuse to sort it out). And, like I said, it is usually quicker and easier to go to the manufacturer.
my info wasn't incorrect, after 30 days if you have a problem with your 360 you go back to MS and its sorted quicker. The seller is also within their rights to refer you to the manufacturer (they just can't refuse to sort it out). And, like I said, it is usually quicker and easier to go to the manufacturer.
Damn, I took mine back to Game, three or four months after launch and they replaced mine there and then, how stupid of them. rolleyesa
Have you read or researched the Sale of Goods Act? Manufacturer's guarantees do not replace your basic shopping rights outlined in the Sale of Goods Act, which allow you to claim against the retailer if you buy faulty goods.
Did I say they do replace it?!
I said IF THE SHOP SAYS GO TO THE MANUFACTURER THEN IT WILL PROBABLY BE EASIER TO DO THAT!
rikhartley
13-10-2006, 18:50
hi,i heard that this update is going to be on the 14th (tommorrow),is this right or have i been missled,,,,,,my 360 burntout shortly after puttin tdu in,and my mates did as well, simler type thing,mine froze every now and again and then thats all it whould do,it might have been in its wayout anyways,(plenty hours on it) ,,,got in touch with ms, i got a new one in 1 week,,which i thought was exellent,,,
tenebra_uk
13-10-2006, 19:13
Hi Rikhartley, no, absolutely no update coming out tomorrow.
rikhartley
13-10-2006, 20:18
now i know not to be looking foward tommorrow,any eta on it ,just so we know how long about were are talking, its a good game thats going to be better, carnt wait,,,thanks again,,,
Most companies adhere to a 28 day exchange and refund if faulty policy. After those first 28 days it is down to the manufacturer and how they wish to deal with it.
How so very wrong you are, within 28 days you are fully protected for what ever means/option you chose, after that you have the basic 1 year warrenty with the company you purchased the item from.
The sale of goods act will also cover you for a lot longer, a TV for example is expected to have at least a 5 year life span, I know this to be true as the tube on my old TV started to die after 2 1/2 years, this was replaced and repaired for at their cost (Comet) due to the SOG, extended warrenties only make sense if the fault was due to you poking it really hard with a screwdriver & the thought "What does this do", but for what they cost you may as well just claim from your home insurance.
Also, the fact that I have had more than one person high up in retail admit these facts helps too (and no, not some spotty oik on the showroom floor).
Interesting post Zed, but unfortunately for many consumers we are both right, unless they bring up the SOG Act as you have said many will believe in the company and take it up with the manufacturer. I should have said "Most companies adhere to... and most people accept this.".
Nice one though illuminating the true rights a person has in this matter but be sure the company will make you think they are right and know about the SOG Act better than you do.
Interesting post Zed, but unfortunately for many consumers we are both right,
I think only Zed is right, the Sale of Goods Act wins over ignorance every time tonguegre
Crazed_Dodgem
14-10-2006, 00:52
well, thanks for wrapping that up paven
now we can go back to discussing the patch.
dont get me wrong, im glad you are intelligently discussing consumer rights, but too much legal talk is making me very bored rolleyesa
methinks the patch will come tuesday, after the servers are taken down (well, i mean we will be able to get the patch when the servers are back up... obviously rolleyesa )
now we can go back to discussing the patch
Last time I mentioned the patch (or lack of) all the fanboys crawled out from under their rocks...
Crazed_Dodgem
14-10-2006, 01:03
fine how about discussing the patch in a 'glass half full' tone, rather than moaning.
so, what do you guys want fixing in the patch?
my wish is for trade working .
Interesting post Zed, but unfortunately for many consumers we are both right
No, you just only knew part of the story, as do most of the sheep hearded public that can't get off their **** to look into things.
No, you just only knew part of the story, as do most of the sheep hearded public that can't get off their **** to look into things.
Now, I'm far too polite to post that (but you read my mind) :Bla:
Gaskellorama
14-10-2006, 18:27
Here's what you can find if you look on the net...
http://money.guardian.co.uk/experts/legal/story/0,,1787459,00.html
Apple and Microsoft are amongst the exceptions to the rule, offering the consumer a means of repair without involving the retailer, which is ideal if you have bought online or secondhand.
And if you read here http://money.guardian.co.uk/howtocomplain/story/0,,1738830,00.html "Faulty goods? You've still got rights when the guarantee runs out" we're all ok when our 360's die after a year (albeit with a little bit of a fight for our rights) mdr1
Fair point but what you fail to realise is that these companies have a lot more more money to fight their cases and a lot more time.
Fair enough if you haven't got a job that takes up your time you might be able to pester them enough to get what you're entitled to, but you'll usually be expecting a very long wait, and you'll have to do all the work.
Having worked in a similar environment when i was 16 i can tell you now that if you had come into my shop spouting your rights i'd be doing my best to piss you off by making your life difficult, i'd be making sure that you have every little thing that the product was shipped with, from instruction manuals to the foam packing it came with.
and if you're calling the shops calls centres you're going to get a lot more annoyed than they are afterall you hardly ever get to spek to the same person twice and even then the phone notes are wrong!!
Having worked in a similar environment when i was 16 i can tell you now that if you had come into my shop spouting your rights i'd be doing my best to piss you off by making your life difficult, i'd be making sure that you have every little thing that the product was shipped with, from instruction manuals to the foam packing it came with.
and if you're calling the shops calls centres you're going to get a lot more annoyed than they are afterall you hardly ever get to spek to the same person twice and even then the phone notes are wrong!!
You could try all you want, I'd be calling Trading Standards, after all that's why we pay taxes and employ these people, and then I'd be writing to your Company's Chief Exec and making your life difficult. Trust me, a 16yr shop assistant old ain't gonna piss an old git like me off, you'd be more likely to be looking for another Saturday job before I left your shop.
It's a shame too many people are intimidated and don't like to complain...
.....(awaits fanboys to wake up...)
the_gaming_guy
14-10-2006, 20:24
You could try all you want, I'd be calling Trading Standards, after all that's why we pay taxes and employ these people, and then I'd be writing to your Company's Chief Exec and making your life difficult. Trust me, a 16yr shop assistant old ain't gonna piss an old git like me off, you'd be more likely to be looking for another Saturday job before I left your shop.
It's a shame too many people are intimidated and don't like to complain...
.....(awaits fanboys to wake up...)
You must have had a REALLY sad childhood.........
I pity you man, and I feel your anger of having a bad life.
You must have had a REALLY sad childhood.........
I pity you man, and I feel your anger of having a bad life.
...and I pity you your ignorance.
I had a great childhood thanks, consoles didn't exist so I went out in the real world, did real things, went real places (I can even drive on real roads in real cars you know), childhood obesity wasnt a problem caused by lazy kids with gamepads, begging money for this weeks FIFA. Perhaps if a few more kicked a real ball for a change...
I have a great life too, I make sure my kids know there is a real world outside their consoles....their only experience of travel won't be via a video game.
So in the future, when it's your hard earned money you've spent on lousy products (and they're lousy because all the fanboys have bought them and wont complain if its not as described so the companies will do as they please), maybe some of what you've read on here will have permeated your tiny brain and you can put it to good use to extricate yourself from the situation. Or you can run to mummy and daddy and they'll sort you out, wipe your nose and your bum!
Do mummy and daddy know you access forums? Because there's a lot of of bad men with sweets and puppies out here in the real world tonguegre
fun-meter
14-10-2006, 21:06
You must have had a REALLY sad childhood.........
I pity you man, and I feel your anger of having a bad life.
I agree with Paven about that.
There is nothing wrong with knowing your rights.
And people who take an interest in it, or know them, and get off their bum to do that, are often the people who have the advantage in their job, and if they do well are going to be the ones who end up owning Lamborghini's and Ferrari's.
You could be an A* student, but when you get into the real world its a whole different ball game, some people can cut it, some cant. So not only is it what you know, but your experience and who you know.
All im saying is dont have a go at someone if they arent doing any harm. :) And dont have such a big mouth for a young kid when your talking to adults, have atleast some respect and dont hide behind your online name.
I agree with Paven about that.
There is nothing wrong with knowing your rights.
And people who take an interest in it, or know them, and get off their bum to do that, are often the people who have the advantage in their job, and if they do well are going to be the ones who end up owning Lamborghini's and Ferrari's.
You could be an A* student, but when you get into the real world its a whole different ball game, some people can cut it, some cant. So not only is it what you know, but your experience and who you know.
All im saying is dont have a go at someone if they arent doing any harm. :) And dont have such a big mouth for a young kid when your talking to adults, have atleast some respect and dont hide behind your online name.
Bloody hell, finally another adult around here......just how did you know I've got the good job, (admittedly no Lambo yet, I prefer to drive over the top of them in my 4X4 tonguegre )
the_gaming_guy
14-10-2006, 21:16
I agree with Paven about that.
There is nothing wrong with knowing your rights.
And people who take an interest in it, or know them, and get off their bum to do that, are often the people who have the advantage in their job, and if they do well are going to be the ones who end up owning Lamborghini's and Ferrari's.
You could be an A* student, but when you get into the real world its a whole different ball game, some people can cut it, some cant. So not only is it what you know, but your experience and who you know.
All im saying is dont have a go at someone if they arent doing any harm. :) And dont have such a big mouth for a young kid when your talking to adults, have atleast some respect and dont hide behind your online name.
Alright, I apologise, I get easily aggrivated. Sorry man, I got angry.
I respect your opinion Paven, and I guess you're probably my role model as I hope to gain a job with significant rewards. I often get called arrogant or ignorant, so I guess I am quite like you LOL. It's just that you seem to repeat the same thing over and over again, but I guess it's just too technical for me.
fun-meter
14-10-2006, 21:21
I pick these things up as i go along, call it an educated guess. :)
Gaming guy, he's repeated it because no one particularally took it in. And if it comes from a Government website, im quite sure its going to be correct. :) If you find that technical though... don't go past a BTEC or GCSE level course.. Thats no exactly much brain matter required to take that in. :) Atleast you've came to your senses a bit (and apologised).
the_gaming_guy
14-10-2006, 21:25
I pick these things up as i go along, call it an educated guess. :)
Gaming guy, he's repeated it because no one particularally took it in. And if it comes from a Government website, im quite sure its going to be correct. :) If you find that technical though... don't go past a BTEC or GCSE level course.. Thats no exactly much brain matter required to take that in. :) Atleast you've came to your senses a bit (and apologised).
Well, alright, it's not that technical. I guess I didn't want to listen as I was supporting Atari so much. i understand his point and can assure you that I am not stupid. :)
Alright, I apologise, I get easily aggrivated. Sorry man, I got angry.
I often get called arrogant or ignorant
Yet even knowing this you still go and act a right asshat.
Whilst everyone here is going to keep disputing that Trading Standards don't know their jobs I'll keep posting evidence that they do, and that we are protected by legislation. Then when that 16 year old shop assistant thinks he rules the world and call the shots we can all politely put him in his place ( and then wait for him to leave round the back of the shop and shove the Sale of Goods Act tightly up his incorrect training manual) :nuts:
Crazed_Dodgem
14-10-2006, 21:45
PLEASE, NO MORE LEGAL TALK!
this legal babble is off topic, no matter how educated it is
DISCUSS PATCH IN THE PATCH THREAD!
whats wrong with just going to microsoft support anyway?
i doubt the shop people would let you return the console on its own and keep the leads, controller included with system, power pack, hard drive (if applicable), headset (again, if applicable) yada-yada
its like trying to get a refund for a packet of crisps, and returning some loose crisps witrhout a bag...
you could just go to M$, sending just the console (and keeping your save data) and with a bit of luck (something i lacked in my efforts :mad: ) you can get the console back within days
PLEASE, NO MORE LEGAL TALK!
I agree, I'm right you're all wrong Goodbye
craigie22
14-10-2006, 22:48
I agree, I'm right you're all wrong Goodbye
no one was ever saying you were wrong
fun-meter
14-10-2006, 22:50
whats wrong with just going to microsoft support anyway?
You get put through call centres and redirected across the world and spent over 30minutes on the phone to people who are quite frankly, dense, and keep asking you silly questions and putting you on hold. You often get put through to India call centres. And as you get older you realise how much of an unjust econmical decision that is, when the people the other end barely know what there working for.
Other than that, there fine... :)
End of, all sorted (almost), all agreed (barely)... :)
You get put through call centres and redirected across the world and spent over 30minutes on the phone to people who are quite frankly, dense, and keep asking you silly questions and putting you on hold. You often get put through to India call centres. And as you get older you realise how much of an unjust econmical decision that is, when the people the other end barely know what there working for.
Other than that, there fine... :)
End of, all sorted (almost), all agreed (barely)... :)
Older and more cyninal, eh? Especially if your as old if me....
tenebra_uk
15-10-2006, 01:11
I've got only one thing to say.
I don't think it's very clever to ring up Customer Service of whatever brand or retail point shouting, screaming, and showering people with abuse and waving the SOG. Firstly, it's plainly rude. Secondly, it's the big chip on the shoulder attitude that doesn't take anything anywhere. As much as people want to think that any commercial business in the world is evil, the whole point of commerce is having a happy customer. Customer abusing or being arrogant to point of contact, as Gaskellorama said somewhere, is just going to result in a well deserved little private hell. Just be pleasant and reasonable and you'll always get far more than what the mere trade standards cover.
Know your rights?...Hmmm, know how to talk to people.
Having worked for customer services for more than one company I just wanted to say thanks for what you said. So much easier to help someone if they resist the temptation to fly off the handle. No-one got anything by just ranting or shouting at someone....same for anything in life.
Know your rights?...Hmmm, know how to talk to people.
I have never mentioned getting screaming, shouting, or abusing staff when complaining...
I always have been polite, I have found it the quickest and easiest way to get assistance (and it annoys the hell out of the staff if you're polite but firm and assured!).
Another thing that amuses me is the different level of service I get depending on my attire. Wearing a suit straight from the office and it's "no problem sir, whatever you want", weekends with jeans and Motorhead t-shirt and you've got a fight on your hands. tonguegre
nothing new about PC version ? :noooo:
'"Test Drive Unlimited' (PSP/PS2/PC) Gets Delayed in Europe " weirdblue
http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=37862&mode=thread&order=0 :noooo:
PLEASE, NO MORE LEGAL TALK!
this legal babble is off topic, no matter how educated it is
DISCUSS PATCH IN THE PATCH THREAD!
OK, will the patch cure the god awful handling of the bikes, it's like playing on a d-pad, which goit passed that bit of code? eekblue:
rowlocks to all this patch talk, I'm off to Oahu for a week whilst my broadbands changed over to my new country mansion (shame I'll lose the sea view but oh well), see you soon and don't expect a postcard.... tonguegre
Beatnutz
16-10-2006, 10:40
Zedders: I dont think so, the bad handling is intentional. The bikes would
be far to superior if they handled smooth.
barmybongo
16-10-2006, 15:53
Hey guys,
do you think one of you eden/atari guys could post something on the XBox.com forum, there are quite a lot of dissapointed people on there complaining of no patch news, might help them out understanding, as most probably dont look at this site.
M-Schumacher-1
17-10-2006, 12:09
yeah i have to say that the lack of news reguarding the update and download packs really is quite poor...come on atari/eden....wtf is going on???
SinSilla
17-10-2006, 12:57
I think they´re still busy with bugfixing. So be patient and thankful!
It's additional content. If we were still on the original xbox then we wouldnt be asking for these new cars etc.
Let them get it right, the game still works and is more than 99% functional. Rush it and there will be unresolved bugs which could cause lost data like the trade bug did. Want that or want to wait for a better patch?
fastdruid
17-10-2006, 20:45
While the 'trade' bug may have also been the cause of lost data it wasn't the only cause.
I wasn't on xbox live, wasn't using trade, didn't crash and it _still_ lost everything.
I'm not playing it again until the loss of saves is sorted or at least some way of backing up the saves, I just can't work up the enthusiasm to start again every time worrying that next time I turn on the 360 again all my progress will be lost. I can't even back it up at all (thanks, nice one Atari).
Druid
DarkStryder360
18-10-2006, 12:27
Michael Schumacher & Ferrari There is No Subsitute
Yeah there is.... A.....Lonso rolleyesa
M-Schumacher-1
18-10-2006, 13:08
Yeah there is.... A.....Lonso rolleyesa
Oh yeah right...he only won his first title cos of the **** bridgestone tyres on the ferrari and he's only gonna win this one cos of Schumi's engine blow
Michael Schumacher 7x world champ vs Fernando Alonso 2 x fluke
Read the stats man Alfonso doesnt and never will come close!
Good riddance is all I can say to Schumacher, he's not as great as some will say, yes he is highly skilled but team orders and dick dastardly tactics have allowed him to win a few of his championships. All credibility left when he pulled that arrogant stunt in Monaco.
Go home Schumacher, F1 will be better without you. (imo)
DarkStryder360
18-10-2006, 16:12
Lol Schumi fans. Do you know how long Alonso has been in a decent car? or in F1? Not as long as Schumi so how can you say "BLAH BLURGH Read the stats!! BLURGHXXXXX.."
...idiot
fun-meter
18-10-2006, 17:00
Its fair enough liking a particular driver or team, but saying the other drivers are flukes and arent as good, in my opinion it doesnt make the person a true F1 supporter.
If you cant appricate all the drivers and teams, for which they work hard to do (when you actually experience F1 days and get hospitality passes like we have, you realise that), then it just isnt right.
Personally i prfer Alonso, simply because he's a younger spark in F1, and a newish face in the sport. Schumacher has been in it for a while, and he is an excellent driver, as are all the F1 drivers (90% of racing drivers are good, thats why they are there), but its good to see a change.
Only one or two of the F1 drivers can be asses sometimes, but most of them like Schmi, Alonso, Barichello, Button... are decent guys, and you can go up to them and have a photo, shake their hand. Or even at a more private event (hospitality or business), you can have a chat to them. :)
i dont understand how people can support schumi yes what he and ferrari has achieved is amazing but he will do anything to win him and ferrari have cheated many of time look at monaco.
he pretended that the brakes had failed so he could stop in the middle of qualifying and stop alonso and fisichella from getting pole he did this because he thinks he and ferrari are above anyone else and thought he would get away with it this is not the only time it has happened look what happened with villeneuve in 1997 he tried to take him of to win the championship.
i cant wait for him to leave formula 1 then at least there is one less bad sportsman around. arragant ****
its not just me who thinks this people in f1 respect what he has achieved but they dont respect him.
alonso is total opposite a superb sportsman and a fantastic champion imo
Gaskellorama
18-10-2006, 19:17
What about Shumacher ramming Hill as well that was another classic moment!!
You listen to the pitlane gossip and all you hear is what a bad sportsman Schumi is.
I must admit i don't particularly like Alonso either, you would have thought he'd show Fizzy some respect and not celebrate quite so hard, afterall he hasn't won the title yet.
M-Schumacher-1
18-10-2006, 23:19
What about Shumacher ramming Hill as well that was another classic moment!!
You listen to the pitlane gossip and all you hear is what a bad sportsman Schumi is.
I must admit i don't particularly like Alonso either, you would have thought he'd show Fizzy some respect and not celebrate quite so hard, afterall he hasn't won the title yet.
well anyone who thinks Schumi at Monaco was cheating then you are clearly not very bright....he was already on pole b4 he stoped, ferrari would no way allow that in case of damage to the car which would have ruined his race weekend, if you watch the onboard shots you will schumi lock the front brake and then try to correct it..runs out of road and has two options 1 carry on and rip the front wing off on the barrier or stop the car, if you really think a 7 times world champ (who was on pole anyway!) world do that on purpose then :laugh: and as for hill you should watch the onboard of that as well and you see idiot Hill try and dive down the inside of the corner when there was no room there as schu had taken the racing line in the corner....if Hill wasnt so dumb and would have waited he would of easily passed Schumi but instead dived down a gap that wasnt there :laugh: (Muppet).
The only time i will say schumi was a bad boy was with JV...apart from that Grade A+ pro.
Also Senna did far worse than Schuey ever did...wonder why no one ever say anything about that..
Face it the best driver in the history of F1 is MS...and also who ever said i wasnt a true F1 supporter....Man i was watching F1 while you were in nappies.. so i think i can call myself an F1 supporter :p
i was in monaco that weekend for the grand prix and believe me he cheated if he didnt then why did he get punished for it the car was checked out and there was no braking problem what so ever he attempted to cheat because he knew that that weekend the renaults were a lot quicker they were blitzing the ferraris pace all weekend and schui had to cheat to win or the championship would have got a lot further away from him and for him and ferrari it did not pay of.
a lot of people who support him are glorry supporters.
there are very few people in f1 who like schui and many people going by there reactions have said they wont miss him.
i certainly wont miss him! lol
theres a lot of fans who need to start respecting renault and alonso what they did in japan was outstanding. and let go of ferrari because schui is no longer in f1 after this season.
Sheesh....
This conversation is taking an odd turn.
Anyways. I been watching Formula 1 since I was 8 years old. I remember the shock of seeing Senna get killed at Imola. I remember the battles between him and Prost. It was a great sport, but lately it has been all about who get's the best car.
Damon Hill had skills, he was able to take an Arrows car to a win in a race, where a large portion of the field was still in the race. Now THAT is a feat. Jacques Villeneuve was the only contender in a race season where Williams Dominated! He was the primary driver the next year due and the Williams cars still won everything. Now HE was a fluke. He's been better at talking **** outside the courses than actually racing.
Alonso has great talent. Personally I saw talent in a lot of drivers. Raikkonen, Montoya and so on. But the only one who has grown as a driver is Alonso. The Renaults has one up on Ferrari this year, but they are not as superior Ferrari has been for the last few seasons.
The best driver in the best car is a suspensekiller for any sort of motorsport. And in that context I am happy, that Shumi is moving on. Only problem now is, that if Renault manages to make their cars as good again, we will have a problem of no contenders to his position next year. Alonso is not a fluke. Flukes can happen in a race. Maybe even a fluke in ONE season. But to win two seasons of the most prestigious racing-league in the world is no fluke.
As for Shumi, Ferrari, Team Orders and the likes. Debates have been up about the 'fairness' of the team's decisions and the drivers actions on the track. And yadda yadda yadda.
Purposefully crashing your car halfway through the season, when absolutely nothing has been decided and everything is open would be idiotic, and while Shumi no longer is the driver he was in his absolutely prime, he is no idiot. Neither is team-leader Jean Todt, who would never order his driver to crash a multi-million-dollar car only to get a position first in the grid, which is no guarantee for anything in the actual race.
Shumi made a bad call in getting into that turn, he made a worse call trying to get out and that call got him in trouble with the team officials, because he was interfering with the race and endangering others.
Even if you don't believe me and want to see Shumi as the brutish idiot who cheats whereever he can get off it, then believe this:
If he had kept his pole and won the race, he could have been Two points ahead of Alonso as they go into the last race. Even if Alonso had beaten his pole, and Shumi had gotten second place, the difference would be two points in Alonso's favour.
Helluva lot better than having to win and Alonso having to crash out to get it.
I'm betting we'll see a Renault team ordering Alonso to drive carefully and not to push the car 100% to get even a single point. And to perfectly honest. I believe he will do it and get his second title.
But Shumi will leave a lot of records to be broken. Records he himself has beaten by more than a tight margin:
Most Championships: 7 (Beating Fangios record since 1957 of 5)
Most Grand Prix wins: 90+ (Beating Prosts 51)
Most Grand Prix wins in a season: 13 out of 18 and so on and so on.....
SinSilla
19-10-2006, 09:04
Isn´t this an official Thread about Updates from Atari?
At least the title says, so why are you flooding it with F1 discussion??
Please open a new thread and let a mod move those posts in that.
Its very unclear at the moment who is talking about what in here.
Is the update still "coming soon"?
DarthVeda
19-10-2006, 19:20
Everyone seems to forget that Damon Hill was warned by FIA if he were to have an "incident" with schumi then he will have to face a ban. I remember he collided with Schumi in San Marino and Silverstone.
Schumi had a bad engine in ford in 94 then also won, at that time Renault had the best reliable engine and Williams had it. In 95, Benetton took renault and schumi won that season comfortably. He won Spa after starting from 17th on grid in wet race.
In 96, he switched to the worst reliable car of them all, ferrari even with that he won 3 races including a wet Catalunya race.
Alonso is a good racer (fisichellas performance confirms it) but Kimi is a better one.
All those who say schumi is bad sportsmen then they need to rethink themselves what is good then? no one has raised and donated charity for many causes than Schumi. He is a great man but he doesn't like to proclaim himself to be one. :)
ggergalicious
20-10-2006, 04:14
Confirmed .....
TDU ... has crashed on me 5 times now ..... !! sour:
and lags every so often (as if it crashed) but then works again :mefiant:
I'm guessing it TDU !! lotsa bugs.
Last night I was going down the main road in the city ... and the graphics of the road did not load quick enough (Doing 355Km/h in my Done up Mercedes SLR) and landed up in the water ... even though it was meant to be a road :mefiant:
TDU should have a bug report built in ... like EverQuest2 does ... that way people can log reports.
Game HARD !! specialdri
GamerTag : Ggergalicious
Well I guess the US got the update first:
Mid-October Patch confirmed early November.
October DLC confirmed early November.
three of six cars named in DLC: 25th Anniversary Lamborghini Countach, Ferrari 250 GTO, and the Noble M400.
:noooo:
DarkStryder360
21-10-2006, 14:28
Isn´t this an official Thread about Updates from Atari?
At least the title says, so why are you flooding it with F1 discussion??
Please open a new thread and let a mod move those posts in that.
Its very unclear at the moment who is talking about what in here.
Arn't you a barrel of fun!!
if you really think a 7 times world champ (who was on pole anyway!) world do that on purpose then
He did that move because he didnt want anyone else on pole you idiot? I hate people like you. XBOX ROX0RZ ALL!!111!!! PWN PSFREE !!11!... idiot.
An I was watching Formula One since I was in my nappies, probably in my mothers uterus too!
Cheesetastic
23-10-2006, 10:37
Well I guess the US got the update first:
Mid-October Patch confirmed early November.
October DLC confirmed early November.
three of six cars named in DLC: 25th Anniversary Lamborghini Countach, Ferrari 250 GTO, and the Noble M400.
:noooo:
FECKKKKKKKKKKK...... I need more cars! I don't mind the wait too much, as long as they fix some of the bugs. Trade is high on my list. The odd freeze up and crash, I can deal with. TDU is still more stable than a lot of PC games.
As for the side topic on F1.... I don't like Schumacher, but as in any competitive arena, the few who reach the top can't help but stomp on the competition by any means possible to ensure they reach their goal.
Unfortunately the same in business! Anyone ever really like or respect their boss? dark:
HexBlade
23-10-2006, 11:13
I'm just waiting for a patch to fix it so you can back-up your save file to memory card. I've stopped playing this game untill i can. I dont want to lose my progress like a load of other people in this and other forums.
i wonder if we will be able to back up our save files coz if we do then people who have the limited edition cars could back there saves then sell there cars to there mates for cheap and then keep deleting and backing up again
I've been away, so when's the patch due? October? November? How long are we supposed to be patient for now?
the_gaming_guy
23-10-2006, 11:45
I've been away, so when's the patch due? October? November? How long are we supposed to be patient for now?
Oh look who's back.......... weirdblue
Anyway, look at new stickies........ eekblue:
Oh look who's back.......... weirdblue
Anyway, look at new stickies........ eekblue:
Go on... give me a clue where to look :)
you need to look here (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=43890) and here (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=43972) :) Hope that helps
So to sum it all up, nothing's changed :rolleyes:
There will be DLC sometime in the future, and a patch sometime in the future. Wow! Can't wait! Might just have to go and buy some other games in the meantime and cross Atari games off my future shopping list.
I appreciate all the comments about bug testing/certification etc, but they don't help us (the gamers who pay the developers wages) in the end.
the_gaming_guy
23-10-2006, 14:12
So to sum it all up, nothing's changed :rolleyes:
There will be DLC sometime in the future, and a patch sometime in the future. Wow! Can't wait! Might just have to go and buy some other games in the meantime and cross Atari games off my future shopping list.
I appreciate all the comments about bug testing/certification etc, but they don't help us (the gamers who pay the developers wages) in the end.
Go on then :salut2: ...no one is stopping you.
I'm getting Fifa 07 on Friday. And?
Go on then :salut2: ...no one is stopping you.
I'm getting Fifa 07 on Friday. And?
Perhaps I'll go to MPH06 instead lolblue:
tenebra_uk
23-10-2006, 14:17
i wonder if we will be able to back up our save files coz if we do then people who have the limited edition cars could back there saves then sell there cars to there mates for cheap and then keep deleting and backing up again
That's exactly why you can't and won't be able to back up save files ;)
I thought DLC was locked to the HDD it was downloaded too. So even if you did backup your save files etc... It wouldn't work due to the HDD not having the correct hashkey or whatever ?
currington
23-10-2006, 15:26
Go on then :salut2: ...no one is stopping you.
I'm getting Fifa 07 on Friday. And?
What he said 100%
It seems that the patch is being worked on and is due to be rolled out soon and its not like the game is useless with out it.
And like the_gaming_guy said Fifa 07 is out on friday. :)
What he said 100%
It seems that the patch is being worked on and is due to be rolled out soon and its not like the game is useless with out it.
And like the_gaming_guy said Fifa 07 is out on friday. :)
Screw FIFA, Pro Evo 6 is out Friday also, I hope people see the 2 of these on the shelf and realise if they want a game about football, pick up PES6 and forget the arcade stylings of FIFA.
Screw FIFA, Pro Evo 6 is out Friday also, I hope people see the 2 of these on the shelf and realise if they want a game about football, pick up PES6 and forget the arcade stylings of FIFA.
i would also take PES6 over FIFA anyday tonguegre
the_gaming_guy
23-10-2006, 16:31
Have you played the demo of Fifa? It plays really well. And I love the little warm up thing with Ronaldinho at the beginning, where its just you and the goalie kicking a ball around. And the camera is behind the person.
I must admit, i've never played PES, but I prefer the teams on Fifa......
I'M JUST THAT KIND OF PERSON.............. mdr1
So to sum it all up, nothing's changed :rolleyes:
There will be DLC sometime in the future, and a patch sometime in the future. Wow! Can't wait! Might just have to go and buy some other games in the meantime and cross Atari games off my future shopping list.
I appreciate all the comments about bug testing/certification etc, but they don't help us (the gamers who pay the developers wages) in the end.
Agreed. But bug testing? They didnt bother with the retail game so why bother with the cars? Just release them then make everyone wait months for a patch so the game works 100%...
What I would like to know is why the other day I saw the easter egg car and car not downloaded... I have all cars in the game except the pre-order ones, which I have seen before and do not show up as the easter egg... would this be a new car?! If so how did someone manage to get it?
Also, where is this news? I was promised some news in an email in a few days, this was more than a few days ago. I heard about stuff from the US forums but nothing official to my email!
So it's still Patch coming, Cars coming. No dates. We are useless and wont give any info out because we want to lose our customers.
I wonder if TDU will be 100% before Forza 2 is out? After all, that game will be some competition and it will probably be released 100% ready!
I wonder if TDU will be 100% before Forza 2 is out? After all, that game will be some competition and it will probably be released 100% ready!
Yep hence why it's delayed to March/April 2007. They couldn't get the game working as they wanted so instead of hit the November release date they have delayed it.
Which is how it should be done. At least we know it should be complete by the time its released.
Which is how it should be done. At least we know it should be complete by the time its released.
Not holding my breath! Online gaming now seems to mean release it and we'll patch it later (I'm including all software companies here before everyone gets too exitable) Perhaps we should all add "Softeare Tester" to our CV's?
So it's mid-November then...
http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8084963#post8084963
tenebra_uk
24-10-2006, 12:36
It's not confirmed.
DLC and Patch #2
While I dont have exact dates I can confirm that these will be available in the first half of November. When I am given exact dates I will post them.
"I can confirm"? So who do we believe?
I found the link on the xbox.com forums...
roadrash
24-10-2006, 12:51
It's not confirmed.
As an official Atari voice, I can confirm that THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED!
There are many steps that patches/DLC have to go through before they are released, some under our control, many not.
Whilst we hope to have the patch out in the next few weeks, I am not going to give any dates at all until I have something confirmed. I will say it again, I will not mention *any* dates until they are confirmed. Once they are, Ill be the first to tell you. Until then, anything else you hear is just speculation.
As an official Atari voice, I can confirm that THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED!
You'd best have a word with your boy baker0111 then :nono:
As an official Atari voice, I can confirm that THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED!
This is "so" sig material :laugh:
This is "so" sig material :laugh:
Yep :atari:
Jazz1970
25-10-2006, 07:34
As an official Atari voice, I can confirm that THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED!
There are many steps that patches/DLC have to go through before they are released, some under our control, many not.
Whilst we hope to have the patch out in the next few weeks,<snip>
As "an official Atari voice", you are telling us stuff we already know..
And BTW, the "next few weeks" can cover a very long time period.
2 weeks, 10 weeks or even (for some companies) 20 weeks.
A "few weeks" is a very long time in the gaming Industry, but you probably know that.
I am not going to give any dates at all until I have something confirmed. I will say it again, I will not mention *any* dates until they are confirmed.
Once they are, Ill be the first to tell you.
Know what? The day that Atari confirms the release date,
they will inform the customer too. So I don't see why you
should take effort to inform us anyway. IMHO a bit useless.
But I have some other questions for you as the "official Atari voice":
*
Customers in Europe (including me) have payed €60 ($70/£38) for a
game that isn't fully functional. How is Atari going to make that up?
*
Car Packs.. I don't want to know when they will come out,
but please tell us why it is so difficult to release a car pack
for everyone while they have 'ready to go car packs' already
released and downloadable for pre-order and referral programs.
Wouldn't it just be easier to take these (4?) cars and put them
in a pack available for download to all customers?
Bezzers1986
25-10-2006, 10:52
Car Packs.. I don't want to know when they will come out,
but please tell us why it is so difficult to release a car pack
for everyone while they have 'ready to go car packs' already
released and downloadable for pre-order and referral programs.
Wouldn't it just be easier to take these (4?) cars and put them
in a pack available for download to all customers?
The car packs might be ready to go and for all we know have been passed to microsoft, the problem for atari is that microsoft have to check, double check and triple check any content (patches, dlc, trailers and demos) before they get put on the marketplace. Atari probably haven't been informed yet about the checks and when microsoft are planning to upload it.
Jazz1970
25-10-2006, 15:36
The car packs might be ready to go and for all we know have been passed to microsoft, the problem for atari is that microsoft have to check, double check and triple check any content (patches, dlc, trailers and demos) before they get put on the marketplace. Atari probably haven't been informed yet about the checks and when microsoft are planning to upload it.
I think you mis-understood me a bit there..
What I was trying to say is that Atari could take the "pre-order and referral"
cars they already have (those are checked and uploaded by MS), and make
some sort of 'car pack' of them. That way they would keep us (the customers)
satisfied en it would give them more time to release a "real" car pack.
Atari seems to forget that we (the customers) can make or break them..
And (IMHO) as a company they can't afford unhappy customers at the moment.
I still have Davids mail addy somewhere over here,
I'll mail him and see if I can get some information ;)
Agreed that Atari seem to have forgotten those who have paid their wages and those who have bought their product and are focusing on a PC version now which is taking up their time too... why they cant grasp that it would be better to sort out those who have paid for it before sorting out a way to get more money is better is beyond me unless they are just money grabbing...
The 4 preorder cars in a pack as a way to say "sorry for the delays and problems guys" would be good and would stop me moaning about all the problems, delays etc that Atari have got. But I doubt that'll happen.
tenebra_uk
25-10-2006, 15:43
The question is not one of "recycling"; the DLC is ready, it's simply going through its process.
Atari seem to have forgotten those who have paid their wages and those who have bought their product and are focusing on a PC version
That's completely incorrect. Since the release, the main focus has been indeed the update. You can't even imagine how frustrating it is to read this sort of allegations over and over and your refusal to listen the clear and simple explanations.
When I see evidence of this patch/pack then I may listen! So far, after 2 months I have seen nothing but empty promises, do you know how frustrating that is?!
the_gaming_guy
25-10-2006, 15:57
When I see evidence of this patch/pack then I may listen! So far, after 2 months I have seen nothing but empty promises, do you know how frustrating that is?!
Yet again, someone who doesn't understand how companies work rolleyesa
You guys make me laugh. Just 'cause you can't see somethin, doesn't mean it's not there.
I have worked for one of the biggest (and best) game developers in the world, I think I know how it works!
You can't even imagine how frustrating it is to read this sort of allegations over and over and your refusal to listen the clear and simple explanations.
Not as frustrating as paying full price for something thats not complete... or promises "it" will be here in a few days/weeks that were given a few days/weeks ago.
....also why does the website here (http://www.testdriveunlimited.com) still state "full car functions, such as radio, electric windows, horn, wipers , and more. Anyone get the wipers to work in the omnipresent sunshine? or had to escape from the pyschopath?
Yet again, someone who doesn't understand how companies work rolleyesa
And you, my friend, don't understand how the real world works without mummy and daddy to hold your hand. So please keep quiet!
Jazz1970
25-10-2006, 16:23
Yet again, someone who doesn't understand how companies work rolleyesa
RichMR2 has worked for a big game-developing company,
I work for a multi-million solution center. What is your job?
You guys make me laugh. Just 'cause you can't see somethin, doesn't mean it's not there.
Nobody said that.
Please don't post just for 'posting', we're trying to discuss something over here.
RichMR2 has worked for a big game-developing company,
I work for a multi-million solution center. What is your job?
Nobody said that.
Please don't post just for 'posting', we're trying to discuss something over here.
And I'm the accountant for a multi-million pound company and have worked for several other multi-million pound companies as diverse as software (would you believe it eh?) to engineering. You'd think I'd understand how companies work by now, would't you?
So gaming guy, what do you do?
andywright
25-10-2006, 17:57
And I'm the accountant for a multi-million pound company and have worked for several other multi-million pound companies as diverse as software (would you believe it eh?) to engineering. You'd think I'd understand how companies work by now, would't you?
So gaming guy, what do you do?
*sneaks in* I'm a web developer and work for a multi million pound company too :p ... :)
*sneaks in* I'm a web developer and work for a multi million pound company too :p ... :)
....welcome, don't you fell better now you've told us? :)
Come and join corporate workers anonymous tonguegre
the_gaming_guy
25-10-2006, 19:13
I'm 15 and I am destined to be in your position mdr1
psychojones
25-10-2006, 21:05
i got asked to have the update and i turned my 360 off nowthe update thing isnt asking me how do i get it to be updated cause i want the new dealership places so please help me or get back to me asap please cheers
Yet again, someone who doesn't understand how companies work rolleyesa
You guys make me laugh. Just 'cause you can't see somethin, doesn't mean it's not there.
So you're 15 and know how companies work....pure genius!! rolleyesa
tenebra_uk
26-10-2006, 00:08
Paven, enough? Now, I'm all for freedom of speech and everything (very clearly), but now you're becoming redundant and fastidious.
Is this still going on?
Relax guys. The game hasn't even been out for two months, and the flaws are not like they are making the game impossible to play.
It's out of Atari's hands now that the patch is moving through it's processes, so go whine at the MS board!
It's like kids at christmas.
Just got myself a 10 spot-garage place AND I finished all the single player speed races. Shelby GT thingie looks neat. Drives like a fridge on ball-bearings and sounds like an old lady farting.
Any chance of getting this in a future patch:
http://digilander.libero.it/motogite/lefoto/images/Colle_Don_Bosco-Ape450dettoCALESSE(1)-.JPG?
Crazed_Dodgem
26-10-2006, 00:53
imagine what TDU 2 is going to be like, probably coming out on PS3, which means that the devs will be working on 2 seperate versions of the console game, probably being released at the same time, meaning that we have to wait twice aslong for a patch.
Jazz1970
26-10-2006, 07:14
Paven, enough? Now, I'm all for freedom of speech and everything (very clearly), but now you're becoming redundant and fastidious.
With all due respect, but if one states that "someone doesn't understand how companies work",
they can expect reactions like Paven's. There's nothing redundant or fastidious about that. :constern:
boringname
26-10-2006, 09:18
I work for a Multi Pound Company (I think they have about 6 or 7 of them) and I think this can only be resolve if we get are dangoldo's out and see who's it biggest. (I win) :wink2:
tenebra_uk
26-10-2006, 10:58
With all due respect, but if one states that "someone doesn't understand how companies work",
they can expect reactions like Paven's. There's nothing redundant or fastidious about that. :constern:
With all respect, 67+ posts repeating the same thing in ALL threads he encounters are bound to wind people up. The people here are generally very decent chaps, usually if they bite is because they've had enough.
the_gaming_guy
26-10-2006, 11:05
I work for a Multi Pound Company (I think they have about 6 or 7 of them) and I think this can only be resolve if we get are dangoldo's out and see who's it biggest. (I win) :wink2:
So does my dad, and he does what he does, but he knows nothing about how Atari works. :nono:
boringname
26-10-2006, 11:18
I dont no nothing about nothing, what I do no is that as soon as patch and car packs are ready they will be put up as soon as humanly possible because atari are not delibitly trying to p*&% us off. Whinging about it will not make it happen any quicker regardless off the size off the company you work for. If possible Paven, get soon friends in a club and race them and have fun. I have met 15 new friends online on this game and every night have great fun racing with them(all old gits). We all want it fixed, we all want more cars but we have to wait.
Atari are working like cowboys at the moment. That is my opinion on them right now. As I said before, when I worked in the industry we would have had our balls chopped off and fed to us if we released something so far from comlpetion. All I can say is I hope the testers got a damn good slapping for missing some of the bugs. In the first hour of playing I found more than enough bugs which shouldn't be there.
Credit where it is due, the MOOR idea is good (bit limited with 8 people but good none-the-less), the whole idea of the game is good. But a slight delay would have 1) sealed the deal for huge sales just before xmas & 2) stopped people like me moaning about how poorly they have done. Only a month or so delay should have been enough to iron out these bugs (which any good testers would have found).
All I ask is for no more empty promises from Atari (where's this announcement, its been a week not a few days), progress reports (even if dates arent included, just say whats being fixed, what is fixed, whats still being fixed etc.) and information. But to me it seems like Atari have turned their back on the thousands of people who gave them £50 (less shops profit etc) 2 months ago. No information, no nothing. (why oh why didnt they wait on the launch pack? If they released the skyline & audi last week it would have shut me up for a couple of weeks)
I have nothing but respect for those who put the effort and time in to making such a great looking game but I have no respect for those who say things and dont follow up on them. I know how hard they must have worked on TDU but that is no excuse and until I see a little something of substance from Atari I will remain miffed off with them.
Can I just ask if the gaming guy can get the hell out of here or post something worth while. We dont care about your dad. You said I dont understand how atari works... I have been there and done that, I have a very good idea of how they work. You on the other hand are a 15 year old boy who really doesn't have a clue about it. Keep comments like those to yourself, it will save everyone laughing at you.
the_gaming_guy
26-10-2006, 11:34
Atari are working like cowboys at the moment. That is my opinion on them right now. As I said before, when I worked in the industry we would have had our balls chopped off and fed to us if we released something so far from comlpetion. All I can say is I hope the testers got a damn good slapping for missing some of the bugs. In the first hour of playing I found more than enough bugs which shouldn't be there.
Credit where it is due, the MOOR idea is good (bit limited with 8 people but good none-the-less), the whole idea of the game is good. But a slight delay would have 1) sealed the deal for huge sales just before xmas & 2) stopped people like me moaning about how poorly they have done. Only a month or so delay should have been enough to iron out these bugs (which any good testers would have found).
All I ask is for no more empty promises from Atari (where's this announcement, its been a week not a few days), progress reports (even if dates arent included, just say whats being fixed, what is fixed, whats still being fixed etc.) and information. But to me it seems like Atari have turned their back on the thousands of people who gave them £50 (less shops profit etc) 2 months ago. No information, no nothing. (why oh why didnt they wait on the launch pack? If they released the skyline & audi last week it would have shut me up for a couple of weeks)
I have nothing but respect for those who put the effort and time in to making such a great looking game but I have no respect for those who say things and dont follow up on them. I know how hard they must have worked on TDU but that is no excuse and until I see a little something of substance from Atari I will remain miffed off with them.
Can I just ask if the gaming guy can get the hell out of here or post something worth while. We dont care about your dad. You said I dont understand how atari works... I have been there and done that, I have a very good idea of how they work. You on the other hand are a 15 year old boy who really doesn't have a clue about it. Keep comments like those to yourself, it will save everyone laughing at you.
With money comes arrogancy....... mdr1
You can boast about your "knowledge" as much as you want.
No one cares.
No one gives a flying f(insert "ig" here)
You can laugh. So can I.
Do do do do do do.......... lolblue:
Who mentioned money? I haven't mentioned my money here and don't intend to.
I'm also not boasting about my knowledge, I'm replying to your pathetic post claiming I know nothing about how they work... (coming from a 15 yr old boy who HASNT worked in the industry).
Again, get lost or post something worth while.
the_gaming_guy
26-10-2006, 11:39
Who mentioned money? I haven't mentioned my money here and don't intend to.
I'm also not boasting about my knowledge, I'm replying to your pathetic post claiming I know nothing about how they work... (coming from a 15 yr old boy who HASNT worked in the industry).
Again, begone or post something worth while.
*cries because hard man upset me*
:atari:
Take your pathetic attempts to provoke an internet fight somewhere else.
Take your pathetic attempts to provoke an internet fight somewhere else.
Rich you can't tell someone to leave and then claim they are trying to start a fight :laugh:
andywright
26-10-2006, 12:12
Actually, he can.
His points are extremely valid and some cocky little kid (who probably wears a hoodie and black mascara, lol) is winding him up.
I completely agree with Rich, and people who don't have a clue about the 'real life' of developers and testers really should try to stay out of it, because it'll only end up backfiring on you.
BTW - this isn't intended to add fuel to the fire, but I'm in a bad mood because of this forum and its users (it amazes me more and more each day how childish some people can be).
Rich, have a cookie on me matey....BTW (I'm getting better with the Saleen - any room in your club, lol)
the_gaming_guy
26-10-2006, 12:24
Actually, he can.
His points are extremely valid and some cocky little kid (who probably wears a hoodie and black mascara, lol) is winding him up.
I completely agree with Rich, and people who don't have a clue about the 'real life' of developers and testers really should try to stay out of it, because it'll only end up backfiring on you.
BTW - this isn't intended to add fuel to the fire, but I'm in a bad mood because of this forum and its users (it amazes me more and more each day how childish some people can be).
Rich, have a cookie on me matey....BTW (I'm getting better with the Saleen - any room in your club, lol)
I don't wear make-up or hoodies. I'll stay out of it then since it's disturbing you guys so much. Winding people up c-r-a-c-k-s me up and it obviously works. haha mdr1
GG out.... :salut2:
BE CHILDISH BEFORE YOUR CHILDHOOD IS OVER. ENJOYING THE BEST DAYS OF MY LIFE
andywright
26-10-2006, 12:27
I don't wear make-up or hoodies. I'll stay out of it then since it's disturbing you guys so much. Winding people up c-r-a-c-k-s me up and it obviously works. haha mdr1
GG out.... :salut2:
BE CHILDISH BEFORE YOUR CHILDHOOD IS OVER. ENJOYING THE BEST DAYS OF MY LIFE
It doesn't 'disturb' me at all GG. There's just no point in it mate. Thats all I was saying. It doesn't achieve anything. It may c_rack you up, but do you ever think that people are reading your posts and thinking....fool....(moral food for thought :))
This would be so much easier to sort out on the racetrack don't you think??
tenebra_uk
26-10-2006, 12:52
So, my statements that I am NOT prepared to TOLERATE anymore of this haven't come across then? Fine, I'll switch to strict mode and that, as always, applies to everybody. GG, I have told you several times that I don't tolerate your swearing either. You do it once again and you're out for good.
RichMR2, don't use age as a weapon, it might come back to you. You're pretty young yourself, and your statements and "demands" show little if no industry experience. It sounds like you've never heard of confidentiality either - as an employer, I'd stay well away from you.
Back to topic, I am not going to accept any more swearing, flaming, flooding and whinging. More whining and I'll ask you to leave the forums permanently, on the basis that you're not providing constructive contribution, you're flooding the place with repetitive posts that are often posted as OT in all sort of threads and you're generally disrupting the atmosphere in the community. This is not directed to anyone in particular but to all those who believe that posting not one, but several dozens of whining posts is the way they intend to contribute to the community.
The first who DARES calling this censorship will be banned on the spot, we have accepted and discussed criticism for weeks and weeks but said criticism has now turned into a pointless, repetitive, irrelevant blob. You can take that somewhere else.
Several polite invitations to change attitude have been made, calm replies and explanations have been given and ignored, several times I have been told that if I don't want to read what you have to say (over and over and over and over) then I should ban you. I thank you for the suggestion and will definitely implement your recommendation. As you can see, we do listen to you.
andywright
26-10-2006, 12:55
Now I definately rest my case.
I wanted to type something similar, but thought I'd get shouted at by other users for not being a Mod, lol.
Well said..... :atari:
....hang on, that might have been aimed at me too...oops, sorry :)
[2nd thought]...i just realised something, although I might have been a bit slow on the take up here....tenebra's avatar: the funniest series I've ever watched (those who haven't figured it out, you've missed out on an excellent series - shame it got cancelled for being a little bit too risky, lol)[/thought]
OVERR1DE360
26-10-2006, 14:01
Well done Ten, about time.
"If you haven't got anything useful to say, say nothing at all" is my motto.
If this industry is so easy, why don't you fix the issues yourself?
andywright
26-10-2006, 14:04
[QUOTE=OVERR1DE360]..."If you haven't got anything useful to say, say nothing at all" is my motto...QUOTE]
Amen to that...
tenebra_uk
26-10-2006, 14:18
Absolutely.
Unless you're a lurker, in which case a "hello, I exist" is always more than welcome.
Jazz1970
26-10-2006, 14:24
The first who DARES calling this censorship will be banned on the spot
First; You should not continue posting in bold.
It is very irritating and not very 'mod-like'.
Second; Please do not dare the users of this forum.
It's a very childish thing to do, and not..
Ban me if you want to. Maybe it will make your day good again?
But not being allowed to reply to a post that
insults you is a form of being censored.
As a moderator you should know that and ban the
'insulter', not the insulted one that replied to him.
Just my two cents..
andywright
26-10-2006, 14:28
First; You should not continue posting in bold.
It is very irritating and not very 'mod-like'.
Second; Please do not dare the users of this forum.
It's a very childish thing to do, and not..
Ban me if you want to. Maybe it will make your day good again?
But not being allowed to reply to a post that
insults you is a form of being censored.
As a moderator you should know that and ban the
'insulter', not the insulted one that replied to him.
Just my two cents..
Erm, that might not have been a good move.....
Especially when you look back at the amount of times people have been warned etc etc :rolleyes:
tenebra_uk
26-10-2006, 14:53
Jazz1970, since you don't like the forum, would you be so kind as to go somewhere else?
Thanks and good luck.
ASYLUM101
26-10-2006, 15:13
I dont post much on this forum, i just read it and try to get information but i thought id post on this subject.
So its ok for the fanboys to keep posting how good the games is and brown nose (loads of repetitive post on that) but its not ok to post about the bad things in the game or moan, Seems like censoreship to me
tenebra_uk
26-10-2006, 15:16
we have accepted and discussed criticism for weeks and weeks but said criticism has now turned into a pointless, repetitive, irrelevant blob. You can take that somewhere else.
How many times am I expected to repeat the same things.
andywright
26-10-2006, 15:21
How many times am I expected to repeat the same things.
Do you really need that answering Ten??
Didn't think so...lol
ASYLUM101
26-10-2006, 15:21
Yes mistress :)
I read somewhere, that arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... no need to finish the sentence.
ANYWAYS.
Some years ago (2001 I believe it was) I started playing an online game called Anarchy Online.
The game was released by Funcom who at one point was either going to cancel production because it had broken budget after budget or release it early and bugridden.
They chose the last option. This resulted in the gamers playing the game wasn't able to leave the starter areas for two weeks. People sat down, chatted and interacted and generally had fun. INSIDE the game.
On the forums outside however, the story was completely different.
Whiners and complainers everywhere. People directly accusing the company of incompetence and not caring for the customers.
During the first two months of launch, Funcom finally managed to get the game working semi-satisfactorily. It'd crash time and time again. The memory leaks would sometimes make the game take upwards of 15-20 minutes to close before you could use the computer again and smaller bugs in the game made every day exciting because you'd never know if your stuff would disappear, you'd get into a death-loop or what would happen.
Inside the game, people were levelling, PvPing, RPing and generally having a good time.
On the forums however, the number of whiners and complainers had steadily grown and they would rapidly accuse anyone telling them, that they enjoyed the game of being 'Fanboys' or 'nor understanding the way the world works'
Eventually this grew to such heights that you couldn't make a post without someone popping in to say: 'Why even bother, the game sucks'.
Finally the bad mood of the boards were unfluencing investors. Money-people, who never played the game, only saw the few unsatisfied customers. They couldn't see anything else, and so they threatened to stop funding for the company so they couldn't develop new patches and fix the content.
The solution was simple: Unless you had an active account for the game, you couldn't post on the forums after they cleaned them up.
Overnight the amount of whiners was reduced by at least 95%.
Turns out, the majority of the malcontents weren't even playing. They had griefs against the game and even though they never realised that most of the stuff was steadily being fixed, they were only there to vent their anger.
And all the while, they were a small percentage. The majority were playing the game and enjoying it.
Over time the most of the complainers left and moved on to complain about other games and only one remained.
He became kinda like the village idiot. Everyone knew who he was, and whenever he showed up in the game or on the forums, people would end up laughing at him.
My point is: For each person who is complaining about the game, there is a bundle playing and having fun.
I can easily see the problem with an update having to go through MS channels. This means that a week or two is spent at the MS offices, so what is preferable? That they fix all the bugs or that they spend a week making a patch that is 80% efficient, then have to go through testing at MS, and then only realize that even though it was meant to fix two problems it only really fixed one, and then having to go through another three weeks for a patch that is substandard.
Funcom took this approach, which was acceptable, since they didn't have to pass through anyone elses tests. They could do emergency fixes overnight, rollbacks and the likes. On this platform it just isn't that simple.
I am sure that the course Atari has chosen is the fastest since it only requires a one-shot test at the MS end of the thingie.
So optimism on my part.
Bezzers1986
26-10-2006, 15:47
hear hear.
I'm sure I speak for a few on my friends list who don't come here and absolutly love the game. Its great fun to cruise, and I have met a lot of really nice people on there.
Stop whinging, play the game, and have fun. Find someone to cruise with and mess around, you have 1000 miles to play with I'm sure you can find something to pass the time!
Jazz1970
26-10-2006, 16:08
Jazz1970, since you don't like the forum, would you be so kind as to go somewhere else?
Thanks and good luck.
Tenebra,
I don't remember writing in any of my posts inhere that I don't like the forum*.
I'm following the same forum rules (yes, I have read them) as you are.
My replies are not off-topic, I am not cursing in it, and no flaming can be
found in them. So there is no reason at all for me to "go somewhere else".
We are just having a discussion on this forum like adults.
*fo‧rum Pronunciation [fawr-uhm, fohr-uhm]
A medium of open discussion.
But we can go on like this for ages, which IMHO is not a good idea..
You have stated your point and I have mine, there's not much more to say.
Thank you for reading.
sirandrew214
26-10-2006, 16:22
WOW baxie! Atleast someone speaking my language here!
Listen to this fella, boys and girls, because this is the voice of a person that has played his share of games, and seen his share of forums! :)
I had the same thoughts, and was gonna voice them, but then it just turned bad/mad in here, and I didnt bother. Tenebra finally made her move, thankfully, so it wasnt necessary.
just a question for you moaners and whiners; have you EVER played any other game before this? Have you never had to update your games before?
Have you never waited for patches and updates before? Was all the games you played before, perfect out of the box??? Jeez, How many times havent I waited for some upgrade or function improvement in a game? But my life doesnt get ruined if its not around EXCACTLY when I want it, or even some weeks/months late???
The game is still perfectly playable!!!
It doesnt seem so to me(even tho almost all of you seem to be working in multi-million dollar/pound corporations! so I reckoned you should know better....)that you know what you are talking bout!?!
And as Tenebra stated; Im really REALLY glad none of you guys are working for ME!!!
I really hoped this forum was gonna be better than all the other I visit now and then, but infact it just turned out to be just as bad, with the same amount of ****** as always!
And trust ME, if anyone had DARED to question MY abilities as MOD, I wouldnt have been nearly as mild as Tenebra has been on you guys!!...
good luck, IM OUT! (driving or playing golf....)
OVERR1DE360
26-10-2006, 17:14
I think this just illustrates the difference between pure console games and those of us that have come from PC online gaming where fixes and patches are common (and accepted).
So nothing of any use at all in the whole page of replies I missed since being online earlier today... no suprise there really. (however I didnt read the long post about another game yet).
Just to reply to the age point Tenebra brought up, young maybe, it depends. 27 in 2 months so not THAT young. Plenty of time since leaving school to gain a lot of experience in the industy. Fact is, at 15 there is no chance of any full time employment (it's illegal) especially not in the industry which was the point I was trying to make. Experience wise, plenty. And still get plenty of experience only in an entirly different area. Demands, I haven't damanded a thing I have only requested, trust me you would know when I am demanding. Statements, I see nothing wrong with them at all. I have always worked with the motto, so to speak, of don't promise what you cannot achieve. I don't see what confidentiality has to do with anything though.
just a question for you moaners and whiners; have you EVER played any other game before this? Have you never had to update your games before?
Yes, I have played a lot of games, even tested them from day 1. I don't expect to have to update my games. I never had to update my games from the NES to the PS2. Only since the HDD has been incorporated in consoles have games required updating due to many developers seeing it as an oppertunity to cash in before time. I'm not saying it is just TDU, I can see this being the begining of a terrible thing.
The game is still perfectly playable!!!
Not 100% correct. Club races have issues which is the main thing I do on TDU now. Trade isn't working which cases problems for those of us who wish to trade cars. Connecting to friends can be impossible sometimes. Just 3 things which are from a somewhat endless list and until now I didn't mind, but since it is now 2 months since release I would expect at least something.
(even tho almost all of you seem to be working in multi-million dollar/pound corporations! so I reckoned you should know better....)
The size of the companies I have worked for has nothing to do with what I know. I could have named dropped so many times however I have not mentioned any of the video game developers I have worked for, just that I have experience in the industry... which is why I "know better".
with the same amount of ****** as always
Someone dared to swear lol. Sorry, I had to mention it...
I think that probably covered most of what I had to say, I was writing it while doing other things so excuse me if I repeated myself or some things didnt make sence.
And I apologise for swearing earlier to the gaming guy but I'm sure you could see why, thus far I have tried to keep it grown up.
I think this just illustrates the difference between pure console games and those of us that have come from PC online gaming where fixes and patches are common (and accepted).
I believe a statement in my last post confirms that, I mentioned NES to PS2... consoles. Not PC. Reasons are partly down to the fact that PC games do need patching a lot lately, however in the late 90s PC gaming I was in to and back then, very few patches due to lack of internet support.
boringname
26-10-2006, 17:27
just a question for you moaners and whiners; have you EVER played any other game before this? Have you never had to update your games before?
Have you never waited for patches and updates before? Was all the games you played before, perfect out of the box???
I have played (I would like to say 100's) of games but never on a PC. EVERYONE has been perfect out the box, I have never waited for a patch before. PC gamers are probably used to this. I got XBOX360 for this game so is the first time I have come across it.
I have played (I would like to say 100's) of games but never on a PC. EVERYONE has been perfect out the box, I have never waited for a patch before. PC gamers are probably used to this. I got XBOX360 for this game so is the first time I have come across it.
I would guess a lot of people are the same. I am, other than back when PC games were stable on release unlike some as of late (civ 4 was a nightmare wasnt it?)
Us consolers have always had 100% completed games out of the box (most the time)
With all respect, 67+ posts repeating the same thing in ALL threads he encounters are bound to wind people up. The people here are generally very decent chaps, usually if they bite is because they've had enough.
Please retract this statement, all my posts have not been on the same subject (and I have checked tonguegre ).
It would seem that I am the one taking all the abuse for pointing out Atari's shortcomings. You and your fellow moderators should take a look at your own postings for all the contradictory information that is coming out.
You'd find me a very decent person, except when provoked by kids who have a lot to learn...
So nothing of any use at all in the whole page of replies I missed since being online earlier today... no suprise there really. (however I didnt read the long post about another game yet).
:)
since it is now 2 months since release I would expect at least something.
Ok. This has come up quite a bit, so let's sit down with some simple math.
The game was released on september 5th in America and sept. 8th in europe. This is 49 days ago.
It was released on a friday. So in celebration all the people at atari goes off to get drunk. Cheers to them.
Monday they return to the office (47 days ago) and the players have had a few days to play. Some are beginning to notice flaws in the game. A few emails show up.
The people at Atari check the things and notice that there is something wrong.
Tuesday (46 days ago) a few more emails comes along. Wednesday even more mails. (45 days)
Atari developers gather to discuss the problem. A list of issues is made.
Thursday (44 days ago) the meeting is called. Discussions of possible reasons for the problems is held and a decision is made. Even more mails with issues flood the office. Friday (43) a battleplan is made. Then it's weekend. In sheer disappointment, the Atari devs are off to get drunk. Cheers to them.
Monday (40) the developers start adressing the issues. Gathering solutions, checking code, narrowing the precise issues down. With a list of 10 problems located, reasons found they call a meeting for wednesday (38), giving them two days to work. Meeting is held on wednesday to give a status. Decision is made to have another meeting friday (36) with possible solutions made. Meeting held friday where a strategy is made for each problem adressed. With optimism in their hearts, they set off to get drunk.
Monday (33) the developers gather with each list of issues for their problem. The coordinators set their goal to have a plan ready where they address each issue, how they do it so they don't get another set of problems. Tuesday the developers get cracking. (32) They work intensely over the week. And stressed out from working hard all week, they go to the pub friday (29).
Monday (26) morning they wake up hungover still, and get to work. They finish on wednesday (24) and set up for testing. Testing is done intensively for two days, with a comprehensive list of issues needing solving on friday. (22 days ago)
19 days ago monday the devs meet. They work hard for a day and are able to complete fixes in a day, so when testing ends wednesday (17), there are no more faults. Thursday (16) and friday (15) they complete the patch, compile it and send it to MS for testing on the live system. Happily they wander off to get drunk again.
Monday (12 days ago) MS walks in, sees the patch, throws it on the pile and it starts it's two weeks process before reaching live.
This scenario gives the developers seven workdays to actually do bugfixes. And even with that short amount of time, we still wouldn't see the update till monday. And this is if all the problems were located within a week after launch.
So Rich, with all due respect. Can you honestly say, that you can patch and fix the problems that TDU experiences in seven working days?
OVERR1DE360
26-10-2006, 18:23
I have played (I would like to say 100's) of games but never on a PC. EVERYONE has been perfect out the box, I have never waited for a patch before. PC gamers are probably used to this. I got XBOX360 for this game so is the first time I have come across it.
I know what your saying nob... oops wrong name, thats you GT. But as for game 100% perfect out of the box I disagree. Have you honestly never owned a game where you have said "thats not right"?
My first real online console gaming experience was SOCOM on PS2. That game was full to the hilt of little glitches that could have easily been fixed with patches and updates.
Then there are the little things like in football games. I play football manager a lot and love the fact that after each transfer window there is a download to update all the transfers, extending the life of the game.
URCshadow
26-10-2006, 20:08
at the end of the day, look at ps2 users. they are fuming because they now have to wait untill febuary to get their hands on TDU.
sure the games not perfect right now, but look at the god dam scale of the project!! personally id rather be playing the game that i really want to play with a few little annoying glitches that will be fixed, than not be playing it and still waiting for the release date.
to all you people moaning and complaining: is your cd tray stuck or sumthing? because believe it or not you can actually take the game out and play sumthing else, you could even take the game back to your local gaming store and trade it in.
"Whats that you dont think TDU should have been released yet?" well put the disc back in its case, put the case on the shelf and pretend you dont have the game. then when the update is released you can pretend the game has just come out, take it off the shelf and play to your little hearts content. im sick of reading page after page of pointless whining..because thats what it is...whining
tenebra_uk
26-10-2006, 23:33
Hi URCshadow, welcome to the forum :salut2: Nice to see some fresh common sense joining in :)
Baxie, I'd have to correct you, I'm afraid.
Game released in Europe on Friday 8th September. Lots of people start playing and oh, damn, there are serious glitches affecting the game. Producer contacts Tenebra on Monday all upset and asks Tenebra to collect as much info on the glitches as possible. 8 hours of continuous communication, producers and developers on the forum, developers and QA reproducing the problems, update one to stop the major glitches released in 48 hours.
Producers and developers then step back and start collating as much information on glitches as they possibly can as they want to fix as much as possible in one go. No point in fixes 3 problems every 3 weeks, they want to fix everything they know about fast, because they want the game to work. All of it, not just bits of it. Finally the patch is ready and goes to MS, sits in the pile of other patches, updates and everything else for testing, approvals etc. MS doesn't like information being released until there is their stamp of approval. MS don't release updates on Thursdays and Fridays because they don't want to release anything when they can't guarantee support if things go wrong. So it's a 3 days schedule to fit in instead of a 5.
But you see, people here know it all. They're expert programmers, developers, publishers and retailers, socks know why they don't have their personal game developers.
Us consolers have always had 100% completed games out of the box confusedb Do they get a different code? :mefiant:
I have played (I would like to say 100's) of games but never on a PC. EVERYONE has been perfect out the box, I have never waited for a patch before. PC gamers are probably used to this. I got XBOX360 for this game so is the first time I have come across it.
Are you sure? I played Lara Croft Angel of Darkness for the whole of 30 minutes before I had to put it back in a box and return it for being so bugged that game play was seriously affected. In all truth (I'm a console gamer) that was the only one that performed that badly, but again in all truth I've been playing Condemned, Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, Lego Star Wars, Dead or Alive, Dead Rising and TDU and in my opinion all games - apart from TDU - don't really need or use the 360. Welcome to the new console generation, if you use the full technology then issues are bound to come up. I've also never come across with an unstable console (you can bang your PS2 repetedly against a wall and it won't break), can you say the same about the 360?
27 in 2 months so not THAT young. Plenty of time since leaving school to gain a lot of experience in the industy.
You're a baby for a nice slice of people here, me included. If you've been to uni you have what, 4-5 years experience? If you haven't been to uni...I'm not even getting there, it'd get too complex. And I'm too much of a nice person to ask you what your job was at the developers. I'm not the bitch you want to portray me to be.
You don't know what I'm talking about when I mention confidentiality? I'll quote you then
progress reports (even if dates arent included, just say whats being fixed, what is fixed, whats still being fixed etc.) progress reports (even if dates arent included, just say whats being fixed, what is fixed, whats still being fixed etc.)
You see, you're not an employee. Nor an investor. That is confidential material. Only an inexperienced person could make such requests.
You can ask questions and I might reply (I'm not an employee nor an investor, but "rubbish" Atari give their minions plenty of information so that they know what to say). Asking for a corporate, confidential report is plainly and simply risible. I can only hope for your employers that you're not in a position to access confidential information. If it's confidential, there is a reason that might go straight over coffee boy's head.
And I'm the accountant for a multi-million pound company and have worked for several other multi-million pound companies as diverse as software (would you believe it eh?) to engineering. You'd think I'd understand how companies work by now, would't you?
No, you're an accountant, I don't think you'd understand anything about any business you work for. You understand the business' numbers, you don't know the business. How many developers have you spoken to, professionally? You don't know what they do, best case scenario you only know how they impact on the business plan. That's only if you are a financial specialist at least, certainly being an accountant don't even place you in that position.
I don't remember writing in any of my posts inhere that I don't like the forum*.
Hmmm...let me think. Censorship, moderator being offensive by using *bold* (how rude, you obviously know everything about netiquette), moderator in fact so useless that you thought you had to post a dictionary definition of "forum". Honestly, do you really think you're being clever, it doesn't even enter your mind of how much it gives away of your own brains?
Crazed_Dodgem
26-10-2006, 23:44
thank you tenebra. common sence always prevails :)
admittedly i would prefer the patch, and downloadable content sooner than later. however i would much prefer a decent quality patch over a rush job anyday!
Baxie, I'd have to correct you, I'm afraid.
's quite ok Tenebra.
I've never claimed to know anything about the gaming industry, but I do know something about work hours and programming. My post was merely an attempt at showing how much time is spent on a patch that isn't actual programming.
Had some stuff here, but that was OT, so away it goes. Can I PM you with it?
Just answer in PM :)
tenebra_uk
27-10-2006, 00:21
'I've never claimed to know anything about the gaming industry, but I do know something about work hours and programming. My post was merely an attempt at showing how much time is spent on a patch that isn't actual programming.
You clearly know what you're talking about, I just gave a bit more of an insight of what has in fact happened. Those who where here from the beginning have seen that :)
And a little OT bit. Have you completed Episode IV of Lego SW (100% with all extras)? If you do, I have a few questions. rolleyesa
No way, I'm behind like hell :cry: Things going to plans, I should be able to finish a couple of games over the weekend, let's talk again next week :)
URCshadow
27-10-2006, 00:24
so tenebra, are you employed by atari? you seem to be in the know of the processes that have been occuring during the patch. either way its good to see the game developers have communication with gamers right down to the bottom level such as forums. the only other games developer i know that take so much on board from whats being said by gamers is bungie (im sure there may be others) but its still great to see.
keep up the good work, and tell the devs I command them not to rush the patch, take their time to make sure its spot on.
i dont supose you could hint (dunno if its been said elsewhere) if completely new manufactures will be featured in future downloadable content like BMW or Honda etc. i found an unused Audi dealership on the island (roughly top left), any chance that means theres a possibility of the audi range being extended?
craigie22
27-10-2006, 00:48
so tenebra, are you employed by atari? you seem to be in the know of the processes that have been occuring during the patch. either way its good to see the game developers have communication with gamers right down to the bottom level such as forums. the only other games developer i know that take so much on board from whats being said by gamers is bungie (im sure there may be others) but its still great to see.
keep up the good work, and tell the devs I command them not to rush the patch, take their time to make sure its spot on.
i dont supose you could hint (dunno if its been said elsewhere) if completely new manufactures will be featured in future downloadable content like BMW or Honda etc. i found an unused Audi dealership on the island (roughly top left), any chance that means theres a possibility of the audi range being extended?
no shes a volunteer
she dont get payed
Crazed_Dodgem
27-10-2006, 00:49
it is paid, not payed.
anyway, she gets paid in atari love :)
tenebra_uk
27-10-2006, 00:56
so tenebra, are you employed by atari? you seem to be in the know of the processes that have been occuring during the patch.
Nope, I'm - in the words of Atari themselves - a lunatic, who does this exclusively out of passion. I'm simply in the process out of reciprocal trust, understanding and a more than a touch of professional experience in a similar industry (in fact I'm not even NDA'ed)
either way its good to see the game developers have communication with gamers right down to the bottom level such as forums. the only other games developer i know that take so much on board from whats being said by gamers is bungie (im sure there may be others) but its still great to see.
It is, and it's a shame that you missed the developers coming here to explain bits and pieces before the game was released, it was quite an experience for me too :) As much as you might see me in the forum, there is a hell of a lot going on in the background. The interaction between Atari and the forum is constant, even if it doesn't seem to be obvious.
i dont supose you could hint (dunno if its been said elsewhere) if completely new manufactures will be featured in future downloadable content like BMW or Honda etc. i found an unused Audi dealership on the island (roughly top left), any chance that means theres a possibility of the audi range being extended?
I can't hint anything about it as I've been focussing on the pressing issues since release, I haven't even asked that sort of questions. Once the update is out of the way, I'll concentrate on the PC version and expansions packs. Please bear with me, we'll get there too :)
anyway, she gets paid in atari love
I can't deny that I get a lot of it and it keeps me nice and warm in the cold days, but I still have to have a full time job to run the heating.
No, you're an accountant, I don't think you'd understand anything about any business you work for. You understand the business' numbers, you don't know the business. How many developers have you spoken to, professionally? You don't know what they do, best case scenario you only know how they impact on the business plan. That's only if you are a financial specialist at least, certainly being an accountant don't even place you in that position.
Now why don't you get personal and say what you really mean? I haven't attacked you personally, just pointed out conflicting stories from so-called Atari sources. So before you ban me, this isn't whining but a reply to another personal attack on me.
I'm not going to go into great detail here about my CV or qualifications, but in my career I have spoken to developers, bug testers, supports staff, I've even been to customers to offer support with the product (having to actually face angry customers unlike this forum)...I'm not the one who has to justify myself here. I have never sat in my ivory tower unaware that everyone has a role to play in the success of the business.
The only numbers you need to understand here are annoyed customers equates to decreased sales of your next product. You're ok at the moment as the sales of this game are in the bank funding your next project.Thats a fact irrespective of whatever industry you are in. If you don't sell, you don't exist. No sales, no business plan (Unless you can screw a goverment grant or have a rich benefactor, e.g Chelsea FC). You don't sell any games, you have no developers left. The software industry is no different to any other and receives no dispensation from supply and demand. You only have to look at the number of sorftware companies/developer that are no longer. I've had the difficult job to decide who stays and who goes during the tough times and then break the news, so don't tell me I don't understand the business. It's a dog eat dog world out there. Hasn't Atari had it's share of financial problems too???
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17773
And for the record I have posted how much I enjoyed the single player (check my 360 achievememts if you want proof) tonguegre
boringname
27-10-2006, 11:39
I know what your saying nob... oops wrong name, thats you GT. But as for game 100% perfect out of the box I disagree. Have you honestly never owned a game where you have said "thats not right"?
My first real online console gaming experience was SOCOM on PS2. That game was full to the hilt of little glitches that could have easily been fixed with patches and updates.
Then there are the little things like in football games. I play football manager a lot and love the fact that after each transfer window there is a download to update all the transfers, extending the life of the game.
You are quite correct sir, socom had place's where you could sneek into, shoot from and not be shot at. I forgot. I suppose you only really notice when you play online, then they show up. And there was a patch for battlefield 2 on PS2 I remember it download once. So I was totally wrong. Sorry. :laugh:
steve30x
27-10-2006, 13:43
Guys Theres no point in Whining over the patch not beig released yet. I used to play a game that is online , is being developed by 3 guys and is online. Last year they released Stage 2 of the game to the public and it was seriously bugged but thousands of players still played it. They patched it a few times for a few months after release and then didnt release a new patch for 8 months. So in contrast 2 months isnt much. Yes you can flame me over what Ive said. I dont care or wont reply to any of you who flame me.
Anyway guys sit back , take it easy and relax.
Heres a link to the homepage of the game http://www.liveforspeed.net/
You cant realy compare the patching proccess of a P.C game to that of an xbox 360 game, as P.C's come in loads of differant configurations, differant mobo's differant ram and the amount of ram, differant chipsets, differant gfx cards and makes. a lot of problems with P.C software is that the developer cant test it on every configuration of P.C that exist's so problems do and often ocure after release, then with some feedback the develepor can get on with fixing these problems.
Xbox 360's are all the same if it works on one it will work on them all, and the excuse for atari that the problems for tdu only happened when the game went live as they couldnt simmulate that in testing is utter rubbish. The trade feature wouldnt have needed thousends of people playing to muck up, It didnt work simple as that. They pressured eden to release an unfineshed project to gain back some capital (after all they had forked out on the development of this project :rolleyes: ) its not the first time atari has done this and it wont be the last
*Clears his throat*
Will all you haters please shut up!!!
I understand the fact that Atari have not released a new patch or DC for 2 months but youve still got the game havent ya?
This game in my opinion was made for the car nuts out there, who just love every little thing about cars and i bet if you ask anyone of them they wont mind the fact that Atari may take another 2-3 weeks as long as it gets done but dont get me wrong they cant wait but there not going to get there panties in a twist over it!
Theres no point it getting at any of the developers on this forum, just chill in the antisipation of the content.
i myself have played car sims all my life and still remember the first need for speeds with the lambo countach and toyota supra and waited a year for this game to come out and was blown away when it did!
i play this game as much now as i did the first day i got it!!
i am glad that Atari has taken so long to release the patches and DC because if they didnt i would never have driven the Maserati grandsport and doing this has made people out there change from the super, supercars to more avarage cars and i love every pixal in this game!!
Atari take your time but make sure you do it right!!! Please
thank you tenebra. common sence always prevails :)
admittedly i would prefer the patch, and downloadable content sooner than later. however i would much prefer a decent quality patch over a rush job anyday!
The point being made is we shouldn't have to be patched, the online revolution of consoles is leading to unfinished products hitting the shelves like PC games do, with players bug testing and patches coming 'soon'.
The interaction between Atari and the forum is constant, even if it doesn't seem to be obvious.
Sadly this forum is less stable than TDU though! Seems some things about Infogrammes never change.
*Clears his throat*
Will all you haters please shut up!!!
Fine, however, no one is allowed to be positive about the game either!
sirandrew214
27-10-2006, 21:17
That was the third in a row, with just Blahblahblah, and no really point Zedder! Can you stop it please?? Or are you just a crybaby,that whines all the time?? Its quite annoying to read it...When one awaits some REAL information, and all there is, is yakediyak!!
SirA
That was the third in a row, with just Blahblahblah, and no really point Zedder! Can you stop it please?? Or are you just a crybaby,that whines all the time?? Its quite annoying to read it...When one awaits some REAL information, and all there is, is yakediyak!!
SirA
Can you point out to me what you actually added to the thread, oh yeah, you whined and brought nothing, easy to do ain't it!
Or are you just a crybaby,that whines all the time?? SirA
Fine, however, no one is allowed to be positive about the game either!
If you're not allowing complaints then the fanboys have to stop as well....
Whatever happened to the art of debate/two sides to every story/free speech?
sirandrew214
27-10-2006, 21:32
Free speech is nice, in the right place. This is a forum, with a specific topic, moderated by people, who are here to see that we follow the BOARD-rules. And you see, those may not necessary be the the same everywhere,but set by the different boards, and not allways following the FREE-speech-"LAW"...
So, when someone posts 3 times in a row, with just WIND in them, that is not, as far as I can see, abiding the FORUM-rules. And now you might say that accordign to FREE-speech rules, it doesnt matter? Well, if that should apply everywhere, then forums around would have a fun time....NOT!
So, you guys discuss as much as you like, but everytime someone posts in this thread, it gets in my inbox, because I would like to see some NEWS soon...
But when I log on, it always(almost) just bull thats being posted... AND THATS what I call annoying! OK??
Regards, SirA
Ps. This was the last post from me, in THIS thread. ;)
steve30x
27-10-2006, 22:08
Not all Xbox 360s are the same. Some Xbox 360s have newer bios and firmware installed to make them more stable and 50% of the Xbox 360s have different DVD roms in them. I just dont understand why you guys cant wait. I know that you guys have the argument that it was released with lots of bugs. You have said it enough to drill it into a 6 month olds brain. But You cant always expect a game to always be released flawless. There are a few out there that are flawless but theyre Rare. Just relax and wait guys. Im sure you wont be disapointed with the patch. (No im not employed by Atari and im not claiming to know anything about the patch)
just chill and be peaceful. There no point in arguing. It will come when M$ is ready to release it. Until then Its out of Ataris hands Please guys stop the arguing.
The amazing thing is that complaining and whinging isn't going to change anything. It is merely contributing to a bad mood and to antagonize the developers and moderators of this board.
I, for one, never entered this debate in order to convince any of the people who are here to complain. It can't be done. When the patch hits, they will find new things to complain about.
The complaints made from the people here, who doesn't even play the game can be compared to going to the games-store and telling people not to buy it. Who would take the word of a complete stranger? The complaints from those that still play are even worse, since the problems apparantly aren't big enough to ruin their gaming experience.
Still complaining about it, after Tenebra said the patch is in Microsofts hands are redundant and utterly pointless.
As I wrote in the beginning, all it does is contribute to a growing bad mood, antagonize the moderators and developers, and as we've seen Tenebra already getting hot tempered (Can't say that I blame her), it also risks the people, who are making competitions, putting out content for those of us who enjoy the game.
Which is why I continue to make posts like these: I want to show developers, moderators and Atari that it is thumbs up on their game. I love it bits. I am looking forward to the patch, but as previously stated: I can wait for a long while yet, if it means that the product will be better. People work better with a pat on their backs, than a kick in the butt.
Now I wanna make this request to the people on these boards, who like me, enjoy the game tremendously:
Stop telling the those that complain to stop it. Stop calling them whiners or what not. Don't bait them into continuing this useless arguing. One thing that we've seen in this thread is that it is easy to claim censorship and 'well then no positivism is allowed either then'-comments or reasoning about why they should be allowed to attack corporations that 'do not care about their customers' and other such nonsense.
What the negative responses can't argue with, is rational thought. It's self-contradictory to demand a patch NOW, to fix problems that in a sense is due to an early release.
So let's stop giving them easy ammo.
It'll raise the mood tremendously.
Right. This is yet another long post by me.
See ya on the streets of Oahu!
I can't deny that I get a lot of it and it keeps me nice and warm in the cold days, but I still have to have a full time job to run the heating.
Heh. Ten gets paid in kindling.
Sonic_uk
30-10-2006, 22:03
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the_gaming_guy
30-10-2006, 22:10
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What used to be here? Why are there just dots? :mefiant:
steve30x
30-10-2006, 22:15
What used to be here? Why are there just dots? :mefiant:
Hope you get it fixed soon mate. As they say, you never know what you've got til its gone.
I have heard loads of stuff about those troublesome Pre feb 360's. As you say, you're well within your rights to get it fixed. Personally, I wouldn't let them fob you off by saying it'll have to be returned to Mircosoft. They have sold you a faulty item, and I would demand an immediate replacement (apart from the hard disk, coz thats got your data on it) and if they mess you about take it to their head office. Failing that, threaten to inform trading standards. I hope it dosn't come to that, but I work for a major retail company and trust me, the above will work if things turn sour.
Good luck with it mate, hopefully they will just swop it for a new one...
Thats what was there
the_gaming_guy
30-10-2006, 22:26
Thats what was there
Why did he delete that? :mefiant:
tenebra_uk
30-10-2006, 22:36
GG, do you have to comment on every single thing? He's deleted his post, why do you need to make not one but 2 posts about it? For socks' sake, do something about your keyboard addiction.
jayfunandfunky
31-10-2006, 10:57
Socks sake :hin:
tonguegre
Tenebra – Instead of me ask when the next patch will be, or when we can expect any DLC… Could I ask when we can expect an update of when it may be. No worries if not, just wondering…
tenebra_uk
31-10-2006, 11:20
I'm hoping to be allowed to say something reasonably precise in a couple of weeks.
jayfunandfunky
31-10-2006, 11:22
Excellent, thanks tene.
I'm hoping to be allowed to say something reasonably precise in a couple of weeks.
Without starting a heated debate, are you aware that the timescale is slowly creeping further and further into the future?
Time does tend to do that... Nothing much we can do about it.
Unless we're Superman of course.....
Next day or so has now, after 2 weeks, changed to next few weeks...
IT'S PATHETIC!!
It's that BS which gets me even more angry and makes me see Atari as the cowboys they really are!
Oh by the way guys, I will have some super good official info on TDU about the updates and patches and new features in the next... urm... couple of years... but MS don't let me say it but I wont tell you that until another 1.5 years...
jayfunandfunky
31-10-2006, 12:13
Chill lads... I see it from both side of the argument. Yes, I can understand how some people may get uptight because of delayed updates, but you've also gotta see it from the other side. The people who are working on this game aint just sittin around in their labs (or wherever they program) doin sod all... They are working on it and we will eventually get the updates and DLC. Stop clock watching and time will fly by. Expect it every day and nothing will happen. We've now been told that we should hear something in a couple of weeks, so lets now wait and see what happens...
tenebra_uk
31-10-2006, 12:13
You're free to contact Microsoft and question their communication strategy.
Chill lads... I see it from both side of the argument. Yes, I can understand how some people may get uptight because of delayed updates, but you've also gotta see it from the other side. The people who are working on this game aint just sittin around in their labs (or wherever they program) doin sod all... They are working on it and we will eventually get the updates and DLC. Stop clock watching and time will fly by. Expect it every day and nothing will happen. We've now been told that we should hear something in a couple of weeks, so lets now wait and see what happens...
It's not the delays, not having any content or patches etc. it's the fact we are told one thing and we don't get it. The "keep your eyes open... next day or so" is a perfect example of how we are mislead or basically given a load of BS.
I stopped clock watching a long time ago, just like I stopped playing TDU a long time ago (or at least stopped playing as much as I used to). Thing is, next couple of weeks come from a statement from Atari saying day or so. Next couple of weeks, at the rate things are changing, will mean after xmas.
Either tell us or don't but don't say next day or so when it blatently isn't going to be and when it is later followed up with "can't say anything because MS don't allow it".
Time does tend to do that... Nothing much we can do about it.
So does that make it acceptable?
A simple 'Yes' or 'No' will do in this instance.
jayfunandfunky
31-10-2006, 12:47
From a customer satisfaction point of view, then I suppose I have to say no. However, you have no choice... You have to accept it.
RoadieK9
31-10-2006, 13:01
From a customer satisfaction point of view, then I suppose I have to say no. However, you have no choice... You have to accept it.
well you see thats my problem. If this was anyother product i bought, and didn't fully work, i'd be able to take it back and demand it be fixed or get a replacement. Take a Car for example. I buy a car, and some things on it don't function right. I take it back to the company and complain about it to be fixed. Can you Imagine him explaining to me... well its the nature of the business, alot of parties are involved, could be fixed today, might take a long time. i can't really say.. blah blah. The Customer who bought the product is not interested in, how hard it is to run your business and how it all works. They just want their product to work, like the company told them it would. There is no excuse in my opinion. I don't think the software business should be excused from this trading rule, just cause of the nautre of it. Its still got standards and comitments.
I would love for My voice to be heard by atari, or who ever is behind all of this. I would love to be able to show them my fustration in their product. I've tought about getting a petition together.. but, to be honest. none of us make a difference to them. if all the people on here stopped playing and buying their products, i dought they would care, or effect them. They don't have to listen to us becasue.. they can get away with treating their customers bad, because of the 'nature of the business'
I would love to be able to reach them some how like... 80%-90% of their customers stop playing or buying their products. but, thats not going to happen. We are stuck with it, like it or not... and can't do a think about it.. which i think is wrong.
i don't understand are you frustrated because trade doesn't work or is it because of the times on the leader board. some people are going on as if the game doesn't even come on. :mefiant: i haven't had any problems, everyday i choose a car out of the 90 in the game and i connect to my friends it all works perfectly. trade doesnt really effect me ive got most of the cars now, from what ive heard some games released there patch after 6 month of release if i get it within half of that time ill be happy :bravo:
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