View Full Version : Potential Buyers.. Don't, Just Don't!
Badman666
02-11-2006, 04:34
This is for all the people who haven't yet bought it but are considering it.... consider first, come over to the Bioware boards and find out the real info on this product.
A brief rundown of the problems so far:
First off, the game doesn't run properly... really! Even people with very high end machines are having problems.. not good!
AA and HDR DON'T WORK, god alone knows why and Obsidian aren't saying anything, although I suspect that Infogrames terrible financial status have forced the release of a product that simply wasn't ready. HDR, you could excuse as it is a relatively new technique, but AA there's no excuse there. For those of you who think.."ah well, I can just force AA in the control panel..", well you CAN'T.. AA doesn't work.. AT ALL.. How shoddy is that?
You won't be able to patch the game as the autoupdate doesn't work properly and there is no Critical Rebuild (with no sign of it either.)
Physical customisation seems to be a bit of a running joke also, did you know that helmets won't show on your companions? Ever!
These are just a few of the issue relating to this pretty poor product.
I have pre ordered, and as it is being processed as I type, I cannot cancel... guess how that makes me feel.
Don't just take my word for it, come and read for yourself.
Infogrames you have certainly out done yourselves this time.
I can confirm the poor frame rate.
My system specs:
Intel Core2Duo X6800 Extreme 2.93Ghz
2GB Corsair Twin2x2048-6400C4
ASUS P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe
2x Nvidia GeForce 7900 GTX 512MB in SLI
Forceware 91.47
NWN2 Framerate @1600x1200 <= 10
FEAR Framerate @1600x1200 => 95
And no, I am not turning off shadows, I should not have to turn off any effect on this system, as proven by all the other games I run.
I will not waste my time answering all the half-truths you have said.
Game runs fine in normal resolutions without a monster computer, AA is something 90% of the people never touch, the game patches fine and if you really believe that companions not having differents helmets will ruin your game I feel pity for you.
I don't really know if you really believe what you are saying or you are just a troll waiting to be burned, but coming to the company forums telling people not to buy the game seems very trollish to me.
And by the way, they are not called Infogrames anymore, they have been Atari for some years now. Next time you post into any forums try not to look so ignorant if you want to be treated seriously.
I am getting a bit worried. I have a pretty high-end machine, with a Nvidia 9750 GX2 card, and I was hoping that I would be able to run the game at maximum settings.
Then I am hearing it is too slow...
Now I'm reading on the boards that there is no AA and no HDR...even though the developers said a few months ago that HDR was finished, at it was 99% certain to be included.
I was going to get the game as soon as it was released, but .... uhm, sorry - it is starting to look as if the game is just of a beta release quality, and I'd be better off waiting a few months until the first few patches are out.
Disappointing...
Try turning down/off shadows. NWN2 uses dynamic shadows, and this is what causes the major slowdowns (so I hear).
No AA is a bit poor, but It is not the end of the world. RPG's have historically not ever been the best looking games out there. The meat is in the gameplay.
As for the patch, it appears that mostly D2D (digital download) customers that have problems. While not good, this is as much IGN's fault as atari/obsidian.
Just trying to supply a balanced view here of the opinions on the Bioware boards. Quite a few people are posting that they like the game, and it is working a bit slow but fine.
Lorft
Knight_Sir_Galahad
02-11-2006, 11:22
i'm still going to buy it
no games perfect when it's first released or even when they get patched
Badman666
02-11-2006, 12:50
:atari: I will not waste my time answering all the half-truths you have said.
Game runs fine in normal resolutions without a monster computer, AA is something 90% of the people never touch, the game patches fine and if you really believe that companions not having differents helmets will ruin your game I feel pity for you.
I don't really know if you really believe what you are saying or you are just a troll waiting to be burned, but coming to the company forums telling people not to buy the game seems very trollish to me.
And by the way, they are not called Infogrames anymore, they have been Atari for some years now. Next time you post into any forums try not to look so ignorant if you want to be treated seriously.
Half truths? Where? I certainly don't expect people to take my word for it, they are more than welcome to come over to Bio's boards and find out for themselves whether anything I say is valid or not.
Actually I do see some half truths, but unfortunately they are all in your post.
Game runs fine in normal resolutions without a monster computer Not true, some people may get adequate performance occasionally.
AA is something 90% of the people never touch
Are you really advancing the proposition that this reason makes it acceptable for such a building block feature to be fundimentally broken? And it certainly can be said to be fundimentally broken when you can't even force it on through your card's control panel.
the game patches fine
I hate to call you a liar, but.... (edit.. liar is too strong a word and I regret it's useage, perhaps misinformed or inaccurate would be more appropriate. And as stated in a later post, the patching issue now seem to be remedied.)
if you really believe that companions not having differents helmets will ruin your game I feel pity for you.
Really? You find this all really good, even when the only reason for the update was a few minor rule changes and a brand new spangly, all singing, all dancing engine? Well I've got news for you, it's got tonsilitus and it's legs are broken.
No, I'm not a troll, I'm tell it as it is, with no commerical chicanery, so that customers can make up their own mind...
Let me make this clear.. I do not entirely blame Obsidian in this matter, I feel the majority of the blame goes to Infogrames for forcing this release.
Oh yes... one other thing...
Infogrames AREN'T AND NEVER WILL BE.... Atari.
$0.4989 and falling.
(To the other posters, yes, please, post your experiences and your opinions, good, bad or indifferent. I would never dream of trying to stop you or casting doubts on your statements, what I don't accept is people such as the quoted poster, purposefully trying to mislead others by trying to obfusate verifiable datum.)
(Edited to retract comment and for speeling)
a troll? maybe. or one of atari's marketing boys tricking us into all too positive replies?
anyway i'll buy the game, as there is no alternative for my roleplaying interests, and i'll give you a report about it's speed and problems in ... oh, in a couple of minutes, as my parcel just arrived :-)
hey... misleading? i can't see which of you has more right to speak for all players , all computers, all retailers in general - if i had to go by your tone, i'd rather not listen to the OP.
some of you may have problems, others may have none, and a lot of people have, but no serious problems.
of course you may tell what problems _you_ encounter, as others may tell what fun _they_ have playing the game. but is just not your business, none of you, to tell someone else to buy or not to buy the game.
Badman666
02-11-2006, 13:26
of course you may tell what problems _you_ encounter, as others may tell what fun _they_ have playing the game. but is just not your business, none of you, to tell someone else to buy or not to buy the game.
Fair enough, I fully accept this as a fair and valid point, You have my blessing to edit my post with "please consider first" (or such to that effect) to replace the 'don't buy' referrences.
Badman666
02-11-2006, 13:32
As a fair update I post details that the patching issues have been remedied to a certain degree.. vastly larger numbers of people are now reporting full success in using the autoupdate patching feature.
This no longer seems to be an issue.
*g* you have _my_ blessing to edit it yourself - i'm no mod, and even if i would never edit other's postings.
anyway i'm just now starting the game, installation went smooth and patching did as well (nwn version 1.00 german to 1.01 german).
Badman666
02-11-2006, 13:39
*g* you have _my_ blessing to edit it yourself - i'm no mod, and even if i would never edit other's postings.
anyway i'm just now starting the game, installation went smooth and patching did as well (nwn version 1.00 german to 1.01 german).
I mistook you for the mod , thank you for pointing out that I could edit my own post, I am used to a time limit on other boards.
Original Post edited.
so, after only a few tests (have to go back to real life for the day...) i must say there are _no_ problems with my computer.
installation smooth, 5.7 gb.
patching ok, 84 mb.
game starting even faster than nwn1 on same machine.
graphics are fluent on 1280x1024 with all options enabled and maxed.
this is my config:
amd64, 2ghz, 2 gb ram, nvidia 7900gto, running windows xp pro sp2 & forceware 91.47
of course less well equipped pc's might be slower, but as i maxed everything there's a lot to tweak.
tenebra_uk
02-11-2006, 13:50
Let me make this clear.. I do not entirely blame Obsidian in this matter, I feel the majority of the blame goes to Infogrames for forcing this release.
Sometimes I feel surrounded by onmiscent semi-gods
roadrash
02-11-2006, 14:05
Let me make this clear.. I do not entirely blame Obsidian in this matter, I feel the majority of the blame goes to Infogrames for forcing this release.
I give up. On the one hand, we get majorly berated for delaying a game because its not finished, and then we get shouted at for supposedly "forcing a release"
All I can say is that we have been playing the game over the past month or so, and its never worked anything than fine on our machines, and they are nothing special to speak of (Dell Optiplex- Office oriented machines).
Making statements that the game doesnt work, and needs some super rig to run on are a bitt off, to be honest.. But hey, its your opinion...
It's made to work on Dell system? I should give up before it hits the shelve tomorrow then. *sprays a few cans of instant sarcasm on it to let every know for sure I was being sarcastic*
This won't stop me from getting it, some people post too hastilly before checking what works on their system.
Saying you're having problems with certain aspects is fine, but I'm more likely to ignore entire posts when they go flamage. *throws fire-extinguishers around to serious and normal posters to use on the unfriendly ones*
aphrodite1
02-11-2006, 15:19
this is my config:
Intel celeron, 2.4ghz, 1 g ram, nvidia 6200, windows xp pro sp2
I've been in the beta for weeks and playing the retail since yesterday. Only choppy with shadows up. When put on low or off they run fine.
My patch broke because I forgot to uninstall the beta client so it told me wrong version. Hubby however patched just fine, as did my entire PW team over at galdor.net AND afaik all our future players hanging out in irc playing the game.
I dont use aa or hdr but they are in the nwnini waiting to be changed :/
My settings are all at default except the shadows which I turn down to low (Tony said that low and off aren't different enough to affect performance) and I run just fine even under specs.
As for gameplay and graphics... they did an excellent job. Moreso considering the limited time they had to develop. Well done guys!
*sends Aphrodite a fire-extinguisher by miniature flying space hamster mail as well*
Did I mention that everyone should always tweak the settings extensively to maximise their viewing/playing pleasure?
Best way to do this is to set everything to minimum or recommended and see how it works, then adjust things one at a time to see their effects.
First thing I'll do is set everything to what looks to be acceptable and shadows off, then test and adjust optimally.
well then, aphro's system is not exactly what you'd call "a hell of a gaming machine", is it? so this game _is_ running proper on all machines it is written for, if it doesn't it's more likely that your setup is broken - and by setup i mean your computer's, not the game's. anyway i'm curious just _how fast_ it runs on my machine - is there an easy way to show fps within the game?
@ten&roadrash:
after reading what some trolls had to spit about the game i was inclined to say something like "why did you delay the game at all, if it was then released premature anyway?" - but i was prudent enough to wait until i could play it myself, so you won't hear _that_ particular comment from me for the time beeing.
finally something went o.k. for once :-)
First off, the game doesn't run properly... really! Even people with very high end machines are having problems.. not good!
I have a mid range machine, and (lucky for me I guess) have not had a single lock up/crash/etc and am running the game on high settings - not like on Dark Messiah - now that the main 'buggy' game of the moment for me!
(Have P4 3.01Ghz, Windows XP SP2, 256mb Nvida 6800GT, 1gig RAM
You won't be able to patch the game as the autoupdate doesn't work properly and there is no Critical Rebuild (with no sign of it either.)
Patching works just fine for me - updated yesterday in fact took about 15min to do and ran fine first time...
i was inclined to say something like "why did you delay the game at all, if it was then released premature anyway?" - but i was prudent enough to wait until i could play it myself, so you won't hear _that_ particular comment from me for the time beeing
well, the "time beeing" is past, now that i'm into the game for a few days i must say that there _are_ a lot of annoyances still, especially with the german localization (voices missing or untranslated). no real showstopper yet, but far from "final" either...
so...
why did you delay the game at all, if it was then released premature anyway?
:-)
aphrodite1
05-11-2006, 15:55
nvidia users now have a new driver optimized for nwn2. enjoy
I give up. On the one hand, we get majorly berated for delaying a game because its not finished, and then we get shouted at for supposedly "forcing a release"
All I can say is that we have been playing the game over the past month or so, and its never worked anything than fine on our machines, and they are nothing special to speak of (Dell Optiplex- Office oriented machines).
Making statements that the game doesnt work, and needs some super rig to run on are a bitt off, to be honest.. But hey, its your opinion...
I don't know what the Badman's problems were Roadrash. My only problem was somehow, I have no ideal how the main quest didn't advance for me when I first played the game and so I deleted that guy and started over. Ever since then everything has been fine. I have all the game settings on maximum except I changed my texture sizes to 512/1024/1024 so that I could play in 1680x1050 with no problems. Patching on 'Day 1' for me was fine as well as I had the game pre-ordered and actually received it a day before it was even sold in the stores. (Thanks Gamestop)
My specs for anyone else that wants to know:
AMD64 2.5ghz, 2048mb ram, 7900GT CO, Audigy 2 ZS, 800gb HDD array, 700watt OCZ PS, and two Samsung 20" LCD's.
Considering their are Intel Duo Cores CPU's out my machine is definately by no means 'Top End' and the game runs fine.
I have no ideal why the original poster was so ticked off at this game.
Knight_Sir_Galahad
06-11-2006, 19:41
nvidia users now have a new driver optimized for nwn2. enjoy
can you post a link with that driver please, it will be much appreciated by me and others too
i'd say aphro just talked about the new release of nvidias standard forcerware driver (november 2nd), download it from nvidias homepage - you can't possibly miss it there :-)
Pentium (Duel Core) 3.0Ghz
2gb Ram
256 7900GS graphics card.
Runs fairly smooth @ 1024x768 with most things maxed.
It seems things like bloom and point lights are the big killer, try turning them off.
I can run it @ 2048x1024 (barely) but if you get any combat or spells its not worth the trouble.
Overall i am abit suprised @ the poor performance for the hardware i have. At least i thought it was good :S
I just notived today the toolset is laggy. The pointer, mouse or whatever lags on the screen when you move it. I dont know what happened but this was not the case in the preview toolset.
Regarding game quality...
My opinion is this.
Story = great, well worth playing through.
Multiplayer...not so great...drop in and play made nwn what it was in my opinion and since this is gone i doubt nwn will life anywhere near as long IF it remains as it is now. The hardcore fans of the game, me being one of them will undoubtably give it a go but the game has lost is appeal to the general gamer i think.
Toolset....its ok, not as much as i had hoped for and the graphics sure look nice but graphics dont means much to me at the end of the day. They help but its not the big decider. It is an improvement...no doubts about that though.
The Dm client, granted it is a rushed release at best is has nowhere near the functionality of the nwn dmc. It doesnt have a kill button, and that jsut says it all right there in my opinion. I've also heard it said though i cant confirm that you can only change between areas that contain creatures.
To summarise my observations i dont think this can really be called nwn2 at all. The only improvements are graphics + story + toolset. The general game design, UI, DMC, stability are just poor compared to the origonal. I cant stress the poor UI enough...i just dont think it can even compare to nwn1's. This is somewhat objective BUT i think that holding a button down for a widely used menu..even if it is a short delay...is just wrong and on top of that we have nowhere near the same options as we did in nwn1.
This should be called (new obsidion game) v1.
If i was to compare the game to nwn1 as alot of people are doing i would actually classify it as.
NwN (0.7 - 0.9)
I hope, really hope i can get to like this game as i did the origonal but i dont think it has lost the special something. I expected a nwn1 improved...what we got and admitadly were told before hand was a new game...not yet upto par with the origonal.
Ok i seem to have turned a reply about graphics into quite a rant but it feels better to get my thoughts down. If you still havnt bought the game, my advice is to do so, its worth it for the story even if thats all i think its good for at this stage.
Heres hoping some improvements are made down the line, i will be hangin on loyaly as always.
Regards David.
Knight_Sir_Galahad
07-11-2006, 19:11
i'd say aphro just talked about the new release of nvidias standard forcerware driver (november 2nd), download it from nvidias homepage - you can't possibly miss it there :-)
thanks, but i can't find the driver, can anybody direct me to it please
valestis
07-11-2006, 23:15
Just go to the Nvidia site WWW.nvidia.com and click on the download drivers tab towards the top. Then follow on screen prompts.
Hope that helps.
Jase
Knight_Sir_Galahad
08-11-2006, 16:26
i found it just after i posted that, i was half asleep at the time so it took me a while to notice it lol
thanks anyway
shemlotus
09-11-2006, 11:26
My opinion
The game : the solo story is really good and funny, far more interesting than NWN1 and add-on one's. If you are a solo player, buy it, you won't be disapointed !
The technic : The game needs too much resources with respect to the complexity of scenes (graphics details, animations, number of characters). A big optimization should be proposed. I know a lot of people that run the game in minimal configuration (not my case) and the result is not really beautifull (not my case :) ). There are also many little bugs arising in low or medium hardware configurations (certainly memory or graphic cards problems).
Internet Playing : If you are a PW player or designer, I suggest you to stand for new patches and community proposals before buying it, to be sure it can really support a PW module bigger than 20 zones with complex persistence mechanisms ^^.
Cant see where all the flaming about the game comes from. To be mostly im really anoyed at the latest update os Counter strice source, crashes with memory error and no way around it >.< NWN2 is probably one of the most bugless and optimised games released in a past few month (Just look at Gothic3 for examle) ... But yes. Ill say all crashes will be polished out after few more patches. Anyway to the bright side, games runs rather smooth in high range settings on middle gaming pc. Single player is interesting and I find storyline very decent (Fallout fans probably realise touches by Chris Avellone and Feargus).
it is fine that it runs well for you. it is sad that it doesn't for all buyers.
anyway it is neither bugfree nor worthless, just something in between. true, most problems some players have may come from their respective hard- and software, and that only proofs that wintel pc is by far no good basis for running stunning games on it (as opposed to consoles sporting well defined hardware). but then a lot of problems do have solutions, and a well designed game could give clues to help fixing the problems instead of just crashing when something's out of the normal.
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