8800 GTX (GTS) Stuttering Lag, (Only G8800 owners)

[ewok666]

Well I think it is the games fault mostly...
I reached this conclusion after installing and playing all the latest games that I have and the most graphics intensive ones I have..
These include: FSX, X3 Reunion, Silent Hunter IV, Rise and fall Civ at war, Civ City Rome, Company of Heroes, Medieval II Total War..
ALL of the above games run perfectly with all graphics options turned up to the max, no (or very very little) stuttering like Test Drive has (TDU on my system is unplayable)
So it can't be entirely Nvidia's fault, as if it was, then none of the above games would be any good..

Agreed. This thread is now over 6 weeks old and no patch in sight. No news....no ETA....

[MZWiZard]

New System:
AMD Athlon 64x2 6000+ on MSI K9N Diamond (nForce 590 SLI)
4 GB PC 6400 Dual Channel DDR2 (4x 1GB 4-4-4-15)
2x BFG 8800 GTS 640MB in SLI
5x SATAII Seagate 250GB 7200 RPM HDDs in 1.3 TB Raid 0 array
Creative X-FI Fatal1ty (got a killer deal)
Forceware 151.8
Windows Vista Ultimate
Running TDU at 1680 x 1050, HIGH detail, NO AA, HDR off (HDR causes issues for some stupid reason)

Wild system! eekblue: - But 5 drives in raid 0? Are you not concerned about your data? ;)

[irdmoose]

When I said it was related to Nvidia cards I was thinking that the way Atari coded TDU may have been horribly biased against the entire product line. I don't think it's 100% related to 8800's, it just shows up the worst on them. The game is for all intents and purposes unplayable on the new system, and it seems worst when traffic is around and I'm moving over 70 MPH.

Also, yeah 5 drives in raid 0. It is a bit risky, but I do run Ghost about once a week so I don't lose much data. I started with a raid 5 array, but when I went to restore my ghost image it was moving so slowly that it would have taken 150+ hours to restore. (Off topic, I know, someone PM me if you know of a quick backup and restore solution for a RAID 5 array).

[Katrina_Lansbury]

Just to be fair to TDU i have nvidia 8800 gtx and have no problem what so ever with graphics. All my video options are maxed out and running smoothly without any problems. So i think your problem could be isolated.

But someone said in other thread that their old vid card runs better than our x1650 ati so i dont really know i think it could more or less hard ware configurations plus other software you are running they are all affective accumulation of how your game is operating.

I cant play with our ati x1650 box at all, the game lags like hell and stutters like the Rain Man.

[Carstone]

Wild system! eekblue: - But 5 drives in raid 0? Are you not concerned about your data? ;)

what is raid 0 and why not 5 sata disks on it`? heard so many say raid 0 blabla and im tired of being stupid! :p

[irdmoose]

Just to be fair to TDU i have nvidia 8800 gtx and have no problem what so ever with graphics. All my video options are maxed out and running smoothly without any problems. So i think your problem could be isolated.

But someone said in other thread that their old vid card runs better than our x1650 ati so i dont really know i think it could more or less hard ware configurations plus other software you are running they are all affective accumulation of how your game is operating.

I cant play with our ati x1650 box at all, the game lags like hell and stutters like the Rain Man.

Just curious... what are the specs of your system? Looking at this forum it doesn't seem to be a very isolated issue, since there isn't a single game out now (with the exception of FSX running everything at the absolute max settings) other than TDU that has this issue.

I'm running a clean install of Vista (just for S's and G's I ran a virgin install of XP PRO on the new system and it does the same thing), so the stuttering isn't OS or software related. It's an issue with the game. I was in the beta test and reported these issues on my 6800 GT on my old system (which I upgraded to a 7800 just before I built the new one). They acknowledged the problems, but shipped with them anyway. The stuttering also seems to get worse over time, after starting it stutters every 30-45 seconds and increases to every 5-10 seconds after 20-30 minutes of play. I had the SLI monitor running in overlay, and the utilization does not spike when these stutters occur nor does the CPU or memory utilization.

Now my old system was 4+ years old and had quite a few upgrades done to it, but the install of windows I was using was clean right before I started the beta. I've been having this issue with TDU ONLY.

Sorry, after reading that I sounded EXTREMELY defensive, but it seems to be a widespread problem with the game that only isolated people are able to cure.

Perhaps we should post what chipsets we are all using, whether we're running SLI and whether we are having problems or not.

MSI K9N Diamond, nVidia nForce 590 chipset, SLI enabled, having stuttering.

I really want to get this fixed, the game has massive potential, but if Atari doesn't want to take care of it the community will die before it can even grow.

[kalniel]

since there isn't a single game out now (with the exception of FSX running everything at the absolute max settings) other than TDU that has this issue.
Not quite true. Supreme Commander also has problems with the 8800 series.

[seppov1ch]

any news about a patch?
*bump* hihihi

[Katrina_Lansbury]

Just curious... what are the specs of your system? Looking at this forum it doesn't seem to be a very isolated issue, since there isn't a single game out now (with the exception of FSX running everything at the absolute max settings) other than TDU that has this issue.

I'm running a clean install of Vista (just for S's and G's I ran a virgin install of XP PRO on the new system and it does the same thing), so the stuttering isn't OS or software related. It's an issue with the game. I was in the beta test and reported these issues on my 6800 GT on my old system (which I upgraded to a 7800 just before I built the new one). They acknowledged the problems, but shipped with them anyway. The stuttering also seems to get worse over time, after starting it stutters every 30-45 seconds and increases to every 5-10 seconds after 20-30 minutes of play. I had the SLI monitor running in overlay, and the utilization does not spike when these stutters occur nor does the CPU or memory utilization.

Now my old system was 4+ years old and had quite a few upgrades done to it, but the install of windows I was using was clean right before I started the beta. I've been having this issue with TDU ONLY.

Sorry, after reading that I sounded EXTREMELY defensive, but it seems to be a widespread problem with the game that only isolated people are able to cure.

Perhaps we should post what chipsets we are all using, whether we're running SLI and whether we are having problems or not.

MSI K9N Diamond, nVidia nForce 590 chipset, SLI enabled, having stuttering.

I really want to get this fixed, the game has massive potential, but if Atari doesn't want to take care of it the community will die before it can even grow.

SiSoftware Sandra

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Monitor/Panel : SyncMaster 931B/931BF/931BA/930BA(Analog)
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[irdmoose]

Not quite true. Supreme Commander also has problems with the 8800 series.

I should have said "Any game that's out now that I own." I don't have SC, so I wouldn't know. wouldn't

[laragirl83]

Okay, I just made a clean XP install, format c: etc... :)

i tought it was about time, and a new official FW was released, version 158.19.
hmm, i was like, cool, it might be fine with TDU at last...
9x.xx FWs wasnt okay, got errors, freeze, stutter etc...
ever since i wa using FW 100.95 BETA! downloaded from guru3d.com
this beta driver worked like a charm, no freeze, no problems at all, only it wasnt official and rivauner had some incompatibility issue with it...
so i installed 158.19, and what happend...?! nv4_disp.dll BSoDs... other times: testdriveunlimited.exe caused an error stuff like this...
first thing in my mind, maybe its the weather, too hot, VGA runs to hot, cannot handle OC... back to stock clocks, same errors....
hmm... then i went for lookin' new BETA driver, found it: 165.01.
same errors, BSoDs etc...
so now i have returned to 100.95 BETA and its all good! no freeze, no bsods nothing at all....! :o :respect:
interesting hah?

[Carstone]

wierd. im using almost the exact same setup as you, and im using 165.01. i only have some fps problems some times, a few split second freeze when people load in or in city. no Bsod :)

[rocker_lx]

I had similar problems.

My setup Gigabyte DQ6 Intel rv1, 4Gb Ram, XFX GF8800GTX.

They game did perform very very bad, I had only ~10 FPs while playing, it was unplayable, it run even worse then on my old PC (P4 2.8 1Gb Ram, GF6800 AGP)

I now updated the drivers to 158.19 (XP32), after that FPS was good, but I now had the stuttering many people report here. (all 4 seconds 1sec freeze).

I closed the game and unplugged my MS forcefeedback2 joystick, now the game runs smooth with 4AA 1024x768 HDR.

Hope this is of some help.

[irdmoose]

Okay, I just made a clean XP install, format c: etc... :)

i tought it was about time, and a new official FW was released, version 158.19.
hmm, i was like, cool, it might be fine with TDU at last...
9x.xx FWs wasnt okay, got errors, freeze, stutter etc...
ever since i wa using FW 100.95 BETA! downloaded from guru3d.com
this beta driver worked like a charm, no freeze, no problems at all, only it wasnt official and rivauner had some incompatibility issue with it...
so i installed 158.19, and what happend...?! nv4_disp.dll BSoDs... other times: testdriveunlimited.exe caused an error stuff like this...
first thing in my mind, maybe its the weather, too hot, VGA runs to hot, cannot handle OC... back to stock clocks, same errors....
hmm... then i went for lookin' new BETA driver, found it: 165.01.
same errors, BSoDs etc...
so now i have returned to 100.95 BETA and its all good! no freeze, no bsods nothing at all....! :o :respect:
interesting hah?
I don't know, but I tried the 100.95 BETA drivers on my system and they didn't help one bit, mainly because they wouldn't install. I even tried the vista version. Just my luck I guess.

[ewok666]

I don't know, but I tried the 100.95 BETA drivers on my system and they didn't help one bit, mainly because they wouldn't install. I even tried the vista version. Just my luck I guess.

Never mind. Those drivers did not fix anything for me. The MAIN thing is to have fast, defragmented hard drive space for the TDU installation. Everything else seems to be secondary.......as far as my experience goes. Of course, ANY statement from Atari that could shed light on this would be NICE :-|

[Magic_Ayrton]

PC Supplied by Overclockers.co.uk

Intel E6400 Overclocked to fX52 speeds
1x BFG 8800 GTX (Air cooled)
2GB Geil Ram
1x320 GB HDD
1x250 GB HDD


Runs TDU in Vista 32 with 1200x960 AA 8xQ AF 8x MAX Settings 60+ fps
High Quality Image Settings under Nvidia Control Panel

No issues at all.. none whatsoever

Supersmooth and fast.

[irdmoose]

Never mind. Those drivers did not fix anything for me. The MAIN thing is to have fast, defragmented hard drive space for the TDU installation. Everything else seems to be secondary.......as far as my experience goes. Of course, ANY statement from Atari that could shed light on this would be NICE :-|


I don't know how much faster than a 5 disk SATA II raid 0 array (aside from adding more disks to the array) you can get, and I don't know how much more unfragmented you can get than a clean Vista (which I promptly defragmented after installing all of the drivers) install on a blank array.

As anyone reading this forum can see... I LOVE throwing out theories. It seems the only people posting who aren't having trouble are running Core 2 systems non-nVidia chipsets on the boards. Hey Ayrton, what motherboard are you running in that system or what chipset does it have?

I'd like to get as much info as I can (since I still feel like I'm in the open beta... sheesh) so we can get a good synopsis of the problem over to :atari: and Eden so they can make an effective patch to fix this issue that makes the game UNPLAYABLE.

[Gargula]

New driver....

ForceWare Release 158
Version: 158.22
Release Date: May 2, 2007

Product Support List Windows XP 32-bit – 158.22

GeForce 8300 GS
GeForce 8400 GS
GeForce 8500 GT
GeForce 8600 GT
GeForce 8600 GTS
GeForce 8800 GTS
GeForce 8800 GTS
GeForce 8800 Ultra

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_158.22.html


But this problem continue... DAMNIT! :mad:

[irdmoose]

New driver....

ForceWare Release 158
Version: 158.22
Release Date: May 2, 2007

But this problem continue... DAMNIT! :mad:
Yeah, they haven't released the vista driver yet... maybe tomorrow. It doesn't seem to be a problem that nVidia can solve tho.

[laragirl83]

i was wrong :mad:
it wasnt the driver (FW) or nvidia, that caused me BSoDs and freeze.
it was my memory, and the too tight timings... a relaxed a few thing, now its running fine with latest official FW! :salut2:

[seppov1ch]

i was wrong :mad:
it wasnt the driver (FW) or nvidia, that caused me BSoDs and freeze.
it was my memory, and the too tight timings... a relaxed a few thing, now its running fine with latest official FW! :salut2:

we are not talking about bsod here...

[laragirl83]

lucky u...

[gerrybeaubrun]

madred: i have a amd 3700+@2.8
asus a8n-sli 939
2.5gig of ram ocz cl2.5 ddr 400
asus 8800gts 320
thermaltake 480watt
thermaltake 250watt
lag at high and low resolution
the new xp driver are much better
but still its lag
try 158.22 forceware its a little better
sorry for my english

[irdmoose]

Ok, I checked the nVidia website again and they seem to have updated the vista drivers without changing the version numbers. The date matches 158.22, but still shows 158.18 as the version. Long story short, this seems to have eliminated 90% of my stuttering. It still stutters once in a while, but not like it did in the past. It's actually playable now.

[gerrybeaubrun]

sour: now its more payable a little skip in some time but am more happy now
yo know pay 460$ canadian for lag in some games... (no in this game) make me sick i know its not nvidia fault but keep in mind that you Fuki@#!pay the price and atari love to make un finished game ... :( they make money and we loose are....

[gerrybeaubrun]

sorry im talking about xp 32bit not vista 158.22 forceware x86 :bravo: try thisss
60%less strugling

[danidge]

right i dont have an 8800 card but i still had the sam problem with my 6600gt. i truned the graphics to low and still got the same problems, and srsly this game was totally unplayable. i then turned the resolution to 800/600 and i now got no stuttering just slight skips every so oftern.
i know changing your resolution dosent seem like it could affect the running of the game that much but on my computer it went from totally unplayable to very playable. so maybe you should give that a go?

[jimscreechy]

The 158.22 Nvidia drivers didn't make the slightest difference to my lag problems. My 8800gtx is fine with every other game (over 100 and more if you want to go back a few years) bar this one.

This is not a driver problem, not OS problem, and definately not a hardware problem. This game needs to be patched, and until Atari release a patch to correct this problem (and it is not just 8800's but a number of other Nvidia cards) the issue will persist.

It is really that simple.

ps. Just so you know, I have confirmed that this issue WAS identified during beta testing and the game was releasee regardless.

[CemUs]

well..

AMD 3000 64bit & 8800GTS ---> 30 FPS, with framedrops and lag
Core2Duo E6420 & 8800GTS ---> 60+ FPS, without lag..


just upgraded without a change in RAM capacity, or HDD drives. it seems to be the CPU making the difference in my game..

[irdmoose]

To be honest, I don't think this problem is driver related myself. I think the driver (in certain cases) somewhat fixes the issue since the suttering isn't totally gone. After the latest driver release, the game got WAY more playable but it still stutters about once every couple minutes. It's stuttering more like my old system with the 6800GT/7800GS AGP cards.

And yes, this problem WAS reported during the beta (I know because I participated in it) and :atari: claimed they'd fix it before it hit the streets. The patch they put up in the beta did fix it somewhat, but again it didn't totally fix the problem.

[snaggl3t00th]

E6600 dual core
8800 gts (320mb)
2 x 512mb ram
x-fi X-treme audio sound card

When It decides its going to run every thing seems fine and nice n smooth, after a while driving the game decides to stutter then crash.

The game also freezes in the Map Screen frequently and all controls jam.

And lately having problems even getting into the game, it freezes while trying to connect to server in the first menu screen.

Thats about it for my probs, well in this game any way.

[gerrybeaubrun]

hey cemus :AMD 3000 64bit & 8800GTS ---> 30 FPS, with framedrops and lag
Core2Duo E6420 & 8800GTS ---> 60+ FPS, without lag..

totaly false all configuration with a 8800 gts will stutter
most of people whit a 8800"series got a core duo proc
and dint'n change anything atari =pacht the game up or die

[scortech]

It seems that there is studdering/lag even if you got Intel C2D or amd cpu so that theory is no good...My money is on the 8800 GTX/GTS....I hope the patch will come out soon..And If the patch isn't coming out soon or that the patch will not fix the game I will have to return the game ...As for now the game is not playable enough...even thou my hardware is more then over the Minimum and recommanded System Requirements

[LeMaltor]

Yeah theres more to the stuttering than pure specs. Mine was fine 30fps no stutter for 2 weeks. Loaded it one day and it stutters and stops like a emphasemic marathon runner now :laugh:

[Gargula]

ATARI, read this topic and feel our pain :cry: :cry:
fix that in the new patch....

[d0sitmatr]

http://rapidshare.com/files/24483176/TestDriveUnlimited_2007-04-05_18-17-03-23.avi.html

Here is a little video of the stuttering...



just watched this, and it is very similiar to something that happened with my old computer, and it was soundcard related.
my sound card was dated (TB santa cruz) and the most current drivers for it date back to 2001.
the same thing that I watched in your vid would also happen, but it wasnt constant, and if I restarted the game, usually it would disappear.

the reason Im mentioning this, is I read almost the entire thread and no one has mentioned sound, yet sound cards play a pretty huge role in any gaming situation.
try toning the sound options down a little in your hardware profile, instead of using full acceleration (default for most) drop it 1 notch, same with quality, and perhaps this might solve some of the problems.
or at least it might help reduce the stutter a little more.

[Dustwave]

Not sure this is of any help, but i have no stuttering at all with the 158.22 drivers.

My setup:
Windows XP Pro
Asus Striker Extreme
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3ghz 1333mhz FSB
2gb OCZ EL Platinum 2 PC6400 @ 1ghz
2x XFX 8800GTS XXX Edition 640 MB (SLI)
M-Audio Revolution
OCZ GameExtreme 850watt
320gb WD sata2 16mb drive (system drive)
2x wd 500gb sata2 16mb in RAID 1 (data/storage drive)

[Dustwave]

and it was soundcard related.
my sound card was dated (TB santa cruz)I have one of those in my other comp, so i swapped it over to my main comp and didn't have any problems.

The Santa Cruz still sounds better than most gaming soundcards nowadays, be glad you still have it!
/me loves Turtle Beach tonguegre

[ewok666]

ATARI, read this topic and feel our pain :cry: :cry:
fix that in the new patch....

Who knows whether there is ever going to be a patch.......

Maybe the problem will fix itself: Once the 8800 video cards are obsolete, when DX14 is out, the patch will no longer be required and Atari can stop working on it!

[d0sitmatr]

I have one of those in my other comp, so i swapped it over to my main comp and didn't have any problems.

The Santa Cruz still sounds better than most gaming soundcards nowadays, be glad you still have it!
/me loves Turtle Beach tonguegre

I agree, that SC is without a doubt the best all around sound Ive ever heard.
with my new comp, I went with the Montego from TB with the 7.1 ss. but I still miss the santa cruz. everything was crystal with that card, always tup:

I do still have it, sitting in my old comp (backup comp now)


ontopic
has anyone tried my suggestion yet ?

[famin185]

Who knows whether there is ever going to be a patch.......

Maybe the problem will fix itself: Once the 8800 video cards are obsolete, when DX14 is out, the patch will no longer be required and Atari can stop working on it!

I love dx14! And GeForce 18800!

[dzidza]

have you tried MS Vista sp69?

[irdmoose]

I thought it was Vista SP 666

[irdmoose]

It seems that there is studdering/lag even if you got Intel C2D or amd cpu so that theory is no good...My money is on the 8800 GTX/GTS....I hope the patch will come out soon..And If the patch isn't coming out soon or that the patch will not fix the game I will have to return the game ...As for now the game is not playable enough...even thou my hardware is more then over the Minimum and recommanded System Requirements


Looking at the forum, it seems that the only Athlon and C2D systems that aren't having stuttering with the 8800 are those with non-nVidia chipsets. Almost all of the "no trouble here" seem to have this commonality. My system still stutters with the 158.18 vista drivers (the ones with the same date as 158.22 for XP) but it's actually playable now. My stuttering seems to be similar to that which Weesni posted in the video.

[danidge]

I love dx14! And GeForce 18800!
Ha ha yeah by that time the computer will just be a walk in game room :P and you will be in the game :)

[Caesarnz]

Ha ha yeah by that time the computer will just be a walk in game room :P and you will be in the game :)

/walk into room

Holodeck... load program... Hugh Hefner's Playboy Mansion

Run...

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttt :D

[irdmoose]

/walk into room

Holodeck... load program... Hugh Hefner's Playboy Mansion

Run...

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttt :D

Heh... holodeck? How about a direct link to the brain via Bluetooth v1003.1. Takes less power and you can "jack in" any time. (pun intended) Not to mention that the 90% of your brain that you don't use is actually storage for your computer, and since you take it with you Windows Vista SP666 ReadyBrainBoost allows you to run all your programs from anywhere your brain is. Gawd, I'd hate to have to wipe and reinstall on THAT storage device after spyware and adware infested it. The popups would be HORRIBLE.

[BabylonCome]

Current system:

CPU Intel Duel 3.4GHz
MB: Gigabyte 8... Duo Pro
GPU: GeForce 8800GTS 348Mb PCI-E
RAM: Crucial Balistic 2G 677MHz
HD: SATA 500Gb 10,000rpm

I am still have lag/latency issues, especially when passing larger vehicles like trucks and when racing on heavy traffic corners. Entering the main city is a laugh as it's painfully laggy.

I did have a 6300 128Mb card, that was really painful..

[Onsilverwings]

No problems at all (specs below) just installed and played.

[irdmoose]

Babylon and Onsilverwings, what chipsets do your motherboards have? The more I read this the more it seems like an issue between chipsets and video cards.

So when you post your sytem specs, please try to list your motherboard make/model and chipset make/model in addition to your other specs.

Also, I still seem to be having trouble with the game on the latest drivers for vista, the stuttering has come back and I seem to have been bitten by the "avatar switch" bug. My character in the game isn't what I picked from the beginning... bleh...

For example my system spec would be:
AMD Athlon 64X2 6400
MSI K9N Diamond (nForce 590 SLI cipset)
... blah blah blah (other hardware that may be pertinent here)...
Vista Ultimate

[Onsilverwings]

Processor (CPU)
INTEL® Core 2 Duo E6700 (2 X 2.66GHz) 1066MHz FSB/4MB L2 Cache

Memory (RAM)
2048 MB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x1GB)

Motherboard
ASUS® P5W DH DELUXE: DDR2, x16 slot, 975X chipset, 3 PCI

Operating System
WINDOWS® VISTA Ultimate (inc. Genuine CD & License) (£119)

USB Options
6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk
400GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7200rpm)

1st CD/DVD Drive
18x DVD±RW/RAM + Lightscribe (48 x CD-RW) (£18)

Graphics Card
768MB GEFORCE 8800GTX PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

Sound Card
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeMusic 7.1: £49

Network Facilities
Onboard Wireless 54 Mbps LAN (802.11g) & 2 x Gigabit LAN Ports

Power Supply & Case Cooling
600W Quiet Quad Rail PSU incl Case Fan & CPU Cooler (£69)

Firewire & Video Editing
ONBOARD 1394 FIREWIRE PORT

[famin185]

This computer worth twice as much as me.

Processor (CPU)
INTEL® Core 2 Duo E6700 (2 X 2.66GHz) 1066MHz FSB/4MB L2 Cache

Memory (RAM)
2048 MB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x1GB)

Motherboard
ASUS® P5W DH DELUXE: DDR2, x16 slot, 975X chipset, 3 PCI

Operating System
WINDOWS® VISTA Ultimate (inc. Genuine CD & License) (£119)

USB Options
6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk
400GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7200rpm)

1st CD/DVD Drive
18x DVD±RW/RAM + Lightscribe (48 x CD-RW) (£18)

Graphics Card
768MB GEFORCE 8800GTX PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

Sound Card
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeMusic 7.1: £49

Network Facilities
Onboard Wireless 54 Mbps LAN (802.11g) & 2 x Gigabit LAN Ports

Power Supply & Case Cooling
600W Quiet Quad Rail PSU incl Case Fan & CPU Cooler (£69)

Firewire & Video Editing
ONBOARD 1394 FIREWIRE PORT

[miahallen]

If you suffer serve stuttering lag (at high speeds, etc) with a Geforce 8800 then please reply to this thread with your system specs, most noteable your Processor (AMD,Intel?) and RAM Size..

Opteron 165 @ 2.4GHz (cooled by Scythe Ninja)
Asus A8N-SLI Delux (cooled by HR-03-SLI)
2GB Patriot DDR @ 438MHz 2.5-3-3-5 T2
eVGA 8800GTX (621/999) FW 158.18
Enermax Liberty 500W
Vista Home Premium x86


I still consider it playable, but it does stutter constantly, everywhere on the Island, but more in the areas where others have been mentioning (esp Honolulu). Changing graphics settings, clock speeds, audio settings, etc...does not help.
So far, I've also loaded STALKER, Company of Heroes, and Flight Simulator X, and they all run much better. STALKER had similar stuttering at first, but then I read about the "-noprefetch" switch, and now it runs much smoother. Have not found anything similar for TDU.

[seppov1ch]

... STALKER had similar stuttering at first, but then I read about the "-noprefetch" switch, and now it runs much smoother. Have not found anything similar for TDU.

thank you for the stalker-tip.
is there a .ini or .cfg file for tdu, too?

[BabylonCome]

To add to my earlier reply, my chipsets are as follows...

MB: ATi
GPU: is Inno3D

hope that helps...

[Guilty_As_siN]

I wanted to make one thread about this for the people with NVidia 8800 GTX's or GTS.
Quite a few people have reported stuttering lag with this card, but without the card the game runs much better...

If you suffer serve stuttering lag (at high speeds, etc) with a Geforce 8800 then please reply to this thread with your system specs, most noteable your Processor (AMD,Intel?) and RAM Size..


Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2x 2.40 4Mb 1066 MHz

8800GTX 768MB PCI DDR3, Dual DVI, HDTV Out Latest driver downloaded one from Nvidia.com last week.

Corsair TwinX 2GB XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC8888 with Airflow Fan (I think, it looks like that cost a small fortune remember and cannae be assed to look :hin: )

Enermax Liberty 500W Modular PSU

Asus P5N32SLi Premium Socket 775 2x PCIE SLi / DUAL CH DDR2 / SATA(II) RAID / WiFi AP / ATX MOTHERBOARD

320GB 7200RPM SATA II 16MB Hard Drive.

XP service pack 2

Thats my PC I think, had to look it up from where I bought it from (bad memory) :hin:

I only have stutter on multplayer races with 4+ players 2 or 3 cars its plays as it should, If there is 8 players its a joke it just freezes for a few secs then jumps then freezes over and over (makes mouse movement hard) and thats before the all players are ready, this is leaving racing an impossible challenge. :cry:

If played with about 4 players game is fine until the start of race, 1 of 2 things can happen 1 can be the players cars flicking back and forth quite quickly up and down the road causing me to crash into the player. 2 some of the cars will stay at the start (sometimes its me) If I do get away from the start I can finish the races not seeing another player thinking ive won only for the results to say otherwise. :mad:

TDU sometimes tells me I have been disconnected from server, I close the game down and have lost my net connection (net reconnects straight away). I play other multiplayer games like CoD 2 and BF 2142 and poker and have no issues or net connection problems.

I have no single player issues I get an average of 40-60 fps with a resolution of 1280X1024, 4XAA HDR on, rest on high.

Think thats about it and I know jack about PC's (Me and my brother built it)
It could be a simple thing but Im useless to be completely honest.

Thanks in advance :salut2:

[irdmoose]

Think thats about it and I know jack about PC's (Me and my brother built it)
It could be a simple thing but Im useless to be completely honest.

Thanks in advance :salut2:

Rest assured you're not the only one with this problem. I've been doing some further research on this thread (haven't looked at other forums yet to confirm), but I'm pretty sure that this problem is localized to people running 8800's in combination with an nVidia chipset on the board. People with SLI chipsets seem to have the worst problems (even if they don't have both cards in), while those with chipsets made by Intel, VIA, ATI and others seem to have little or no problems at all.

The problem seems to be processor and performance agnostic which tells me it's more than likely an incompatability between the game and certain combinations of hardware. Hopefully this thread has been sufficient in helping :atari: find the problem in the code that's causing this issue. I almost feel like we're actually PAYING to beta test this game. I'm getting really frustrated with it myself.

Edit: Last night I disabled SLI on my video cards and fired up TDU. The stuttering and frame drops were almost completely gone. When I fired SLI back up, it came back in spades (and yes, I did restore my backed up TDU user file so that I was un-bitten by the bug). So not only is the problem localized to nVidia chipsets, but it seems that it's exacerbated by running the two video cards in SLI.

[liamp6413]

Im Also having proplems with GeForce 8800 gts 320mb
Runs slow as hell on 1280x768 on 32 panasonic widescreen
Vista home premium
160gb 7200rpm hdd
600w hiper sli psu
athlon 64x2 5000
2gb corsair 5400 ram
nforce 605 motherboard,
just installed latest forceware drivers from nvidia to no avail, hope this gets sorted soon as its ruining a great game, seems fine sometimes yet runs really slow others, no matter if anti aliasing on hdr or anything, makes no impact to performance, just seems to have a mind of its own.

[d0sitmatr]

I was running a single 8800gts until today, when my 2nd gts arrived by post.
previously, I never encountered a single stutter while playing TDU.
once I installed the 2nd gts and enabled SLi, I started getting "pauses". granted, they seemed more relevant to the spd you are travelling, my guess, is that with SLi and how SLi works (1 card for upper 1/2 of screen, other card for lower 1/2) the two card are having problems synchronizing their individual draw, and need minor moment to synchronize themselves.
I also noticed it was more likely to occur just as a traffic car would become rendered in the distance.

I did the same thing as irdmoose, disabled SLi and everything is smooth as silk again.

[RADCOM]

Intro stutters!! Game seems okay but I haven't configured the MS steering wheel properly yet so I can't really tell as I have been driving on the grass mostly lol. Does the MS wheel work well with this game?
Asus Striker extreme
2GB cellshock
Evga 8800GTX
lots of hard drives
intel E6600 clocked 3.6Ghz
X-fi fatal1ty
windows XP SP2
water cooled CPU and VGA.... no temp issues

[TSLall]

I too have been having stuttering issues! wow, didnt expect so many people to have this problem!

Dell XPS 710 H2C
Intel Core2 QUAD CPU @ 3.19GHz
2.00 GB of RAM
TWO Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX cards
1TB HDD
30" Dell LCD
Windows XP Media Centre edition

What could Atari do to fix this? Can a simple patch do the trick? Dell say that we need more RAM cos of the resolution we run at...

Peace

[TDU-RAZOR]

in this thread - http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=58193


Originally Posted by TDU-RAZOR
why did you ask for this feedback, are you talking to nvidia about tdu ?

Originally Posted by tenebra
Atari is working with nVidia on this.

[Onsilverwings]

I don't know if this is the problem but if you look back carefully there is mention that the problem seems to be connected only to those using 8800 in SLI mode. I only have 1 (why need 2 of these cards now? and I have no problems at all.

[RADCOM]

I too have been having stuttering issues! wow, didnt expect so many people to have this problem!

Dell XPS 710 H2C
Intel Core2 QUAD CPU @ 3.19GHz
2.00 GB of RAM
TWO Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX cards
1TB HDD
30" Dell LCD
Windows XP Media Centre edition

What could Atari do to fix this? Can a simple patch do the trick? Dell say that we need more RAM cos of the resolution we run at...

Peace
I to have the 30" Dell 3007FWP :) does the game run @ the native 2560x1600 or 1280x768? Shame cos the cars certainly sound nice but the MS steering wheel doesn't quite cut it anyone else suffering this problem? pardon me if I'm hijacking the thread!

[famin185]

And Atari suggests us to buy two games and make it "dual layer"...

I too have been having stuttering issues! wow, didnt expect so many people to have this problem!

Dell XPS 710 H2C
Intel Core2 QUAD CPU @ 3.19GHz
2.00 GB of RAM
TWO Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX cards
1TB HDD
30" Dell LCD
Windows XP Media Centre edition

What could Atari do to fix this? Can a simple patch do the trick? Dell say that we need more RAM cos of the resolution we run at...

Peace

[SRi 150]

No. As others pointed out, "very demanding" can not explain why we don't see stutters on 7600 but on 8800.

There are problems with 7600gt cards, mine stutters but other games run fine.

[Lizard_Of_Bodom]

A64 3000+, 1GB DDR2, 8800GTS OC. 1400x900@75hz on panoramic iiyama 19' - game stutters sometimes, mostly in cities. Framerate is very smooth and generally nice apart from those stutters once a while.

Had a BIG issues with texture dissapearing and so other, but newer drivers helped a lot - no quality problems, no more garage/home 2fps rate etc. forceware 160.02 works perfectly on my hardware.

Small tip for 8800 owners - turn on vertical sync ("force vertical sync") in nvidia settings, cause game have it off as default. Way better graphic quality and no more "upper part of screen during movement is a milisecond faster than lower".

:salut2:

[ICamp]

Intel E-6700 Dual core Cpu
E-vga 680i Ultra Motherboard
E-vga 8800 GTX Pci Video Card
2-Gigs Corsair 6400 ram

Running 158.22 Drivers

Even driving through the cities at any speed, is like closing your eyes for 2-5 seconds at a time. It got worse with these than the previous drivers. I'm pulling in 158.19s to see how they work.

I've set all the settings back to application control via the Nvidia control panel. Any hints or leads? with our rigs/video cards this shouldn't be happening...
AT ALL

[Gargula]

This is my problem...........

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_6lMapd6Cs4

[scortech]

This is my problem...........

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_6lMapd6Cs4

This is just the same problem I got too..
That's why I am sick of playing TDU..
Haven't played TDU for about 2 months or so..

[Girrari]

Same here.

[irdmoose]

Likewise. Haven't played TDU since late April here. The stuttering seems to be worse for me, but yeah... same thing. Happy mid June everybody!

[thylacin3]

8800gts here, installed 158.22 couple of days ago got the stuttering, reverted back to 97.92 no problems, great game. Now if we can get these pesky interclub races to work.......

[Me-Wanderer]

Updated my system again...

Now got

AMD Athlon Dual Core 5000+
2 GB DDR2 800 ram
Geforce 8800GTS video Card

And I STILL get the stuttering/jerkeyness making it impossible to play..

Atari can't tell me that my system is not good enuff now to play the game...

[d0sitmatr]

I have 2 8800gts, but Im running a single gts for TDU and I get no stuttering, only time I got stuttering is when I was running SLi.
I dont know why your getting that with a single card, I also have the dualcore AMD, but the only difference being that Im now running 4gb of ram. but even prior to that I was running 2gb and as long as I wasnt running SLi, I got no stuttering.

there are several driver updates available for certain chipset/motherboard combos.
I believe AMD has released a specific dualcore driver update
microsoft also has a driver release for people running dualcore systems for winXP, and nvidia has a driver for people with nforce motherboards.
I would check to make sure all those drivers are up to date and see if it helps.
for anyone who might be using a VIA based motherboard, check VIA for updated drivers.

[MCO_Crim421]

Just built a second system using an AMD 4000+ Single core chip with 2gb ram and a evga 8800GTS 640mb card. Getting between 50 and 70 FPS but the shuttering is freaking unbelievable. My other older system uses a AMD 3400+ Chip with 1 GB ram and a 6800 Ultra Card and runs TDU at about 25 to 40 FPS but has No shuttering at all. I swapped the video cards and the shutter continued on the 8800GTS but was smooth as silk on the older 6800 Ultra...

:mefiant: Crim

[d0sitmatr]

that is wierd

[Girrari]

Unfortunatelly, it is not. Problems with stuttering on Nvidia 8XXX GPU-s have been registered.

[d0sitmatr]

I think its weird because Im using two 8800gts 320m cards and I do not get any stuttering unless I run them in SLi :)
even in downtown racing at high spds.

[seppov1ch]

has someone solved this stuttering who had this b4?

[scortech]

I installed the game again today just incase the patch appears in the near future and I) just had to have a go at the game...same old...

[irdmoose]

I think its weird because Im using two 8800gts 320m cards and I do not get any stuttering unless I run them in SLi :)
even in downtown racing at high spds.

Same here... runs almost perfectly without SLI, but I don't want to reboot my fricking system every time I play TDU. Vista takes forever to boot and I don't want to put XP on this box.

I say "almost perfectly" because I still get the occasional stutter (about once every two or three minutes, but it's always at the worst possible time).

WTB TDU PATCH!

[dickij]

Intel E6600
2GB 800MHz RAM
Gainward 8800GTS Gold Edition (640MB (97.92 drivers))
No steering wheel
Having no problems at all, except when my computer gets to warm (which happens all the time, GPU and motherboard have a temperature of ~58 degrees celsius, will fix that this weekend), getting about 35-40 FPS. Will probably get 50-60 when I fix the heating problem.

my 8800 runs at 80 celcius eekblue:

amd am2 3800+ X2
512mbx2 667 dual channel ram
FOV 8800GTS 320MB

[seppov1ch]

did someone installed the beta-patch an saw the stuttering was gone?

[Weesni]

No its still there....

[seppov1ch]

L O L :nuts:

[ewok666]

No its still there....

That is just sad! Four months of waiting and then this......

Eden is going to blame Nvidia and it will never get fixed.

[Weesni]

Its a early leaked beta....
Performance is better, also sound bug on my x-fi fixed...
Wait al little longer and dont use this beta!

[pjholl2006]

my 8800 runs at 80 celcius eekblue:

amd am2 3800+ X2
512mbx2 667 dual channel ram
FOV 8800GTS 320MB

What case fans do you have? I also have the GTS 320Mb, idles at 53-55, @ Load goes to 65.

Ive got 2 x 120mm fans, 1 x 92mm, & 1 x 80mm

[elitekiller06]

hey i have the same problem but its not as bad tho just 25-25 frames
heres ma specs:amd athlon 64+ 4600
asus m2n32-sli delux
asus 8800gtx
2gb ocz platinum edition memory
samsung 300gb hdd
philips dvd rewrite
and on board sound
its okis system gonna be upgrading soon lol
plays some games on full everything but some games tends to jump abit (probs coz i push everything to hard) dont overclock just stock homebuilt system

ho btw i think that the game might not suport the 8 series cards but the patch ment to make it work better ...am probs wrong like but so it just poped into ma head there

steve

[seppov1ch]

there´re new drivers for vista s/o tried?

[ewok666]

there´re new drivers for vista s/o tried?

162.22 or 163.11? I haven't tried either but will give them a go....in order ;-)

Not one driver has made a great difference for the 8800 stuttering problem.....so I'm not too hopeful :-(

[Brutu5]

Intel Core2 Duo e6600 2.4ghz
XFX 8800 GTX
SB XF-i Extreme
4GB RAM
G15 (lovely) :)
Windows XP
Toshiba 32" HDTV

Since i upgraded my cpu (had a single core 3.2) ive seen an amazing difference in the game. Although not 100% perfect, its a good 90-95% smooth on absolute full graphics settings

[Ceano]

my 8800 runs at 80 celcius eekblue:

amd am2 3800+ X2
512mbx2 667 dual channel ram
FOV 8800GTS 320MB
Well that is a bit high, you should be around 50 i think...but all 8800 cards makes more heat than any other card but the GPU is made to handle it. Check if the GPU fan is working as it should, maybe you have to put in a extra chassis fan that removes the hot air from the chassis.

[PobMajor]

I've never encountered any problems, it runs fine for me. :confused:


I'm running XP, so maybe it's a Vista issue?


My specs are as follows,


Core 2 Duo 6600 (running at 2.9Ghz)
2 GB 900Mhz RAM
EVGA 680Sli
Asus 8800GTX
Hiper 580W PSU
Windows XP Home

[itskrom]

Has anyone with a 8800gtx stammer problem tried the beta patch, and if so did it still stammer?.

[firefox007]

Yep tried it, it was even worse and the two new cars look awfull and drive even worse madred: :mad:
i have a lot of games but this game sucks big time

Note: AND IT IS NOT A VISTA ISSUE ON XP IT STUTTERS ALSO(but less)

[itskrom]

Yeah mines stammering on xp could understand it if it was for a while as things are loaded, but you can drive up and down the same street and its stilling stammering , I have noticed it stammers loads while loading place names, you know when some name comes up like westside or beach avenue etc.

If this is not fixed what on earth was the point of the patch, as other bugs are minor annoyonces ffs, what a joke

[MCORACER]

Hello,,,
I've tried both XP Pro and Vista Ultimate.. . It jerks and jitters on both OS's .. I have 4 gigs of DDR 400 PC 3200 OCZ memory.. and it only reads 2.17.. on Vista or XP . so.. I went back to 3 gigs .. and XP Pro and seems to be workin better.. Now that I'm back to XP it reads 2.96 on memory.. :) go figure.. I sure hope the patch fixes the stutter probs.. If it does.. the game will really be awesome.. :D

[Gargula]

I installed the Beta Patch and DONT FIX...........

[mortster]

well I have applied 1.66A and I can say that this has resolved the majority of the stuttering. I still get the smallest of micro stutters when in busy city environments, but this has turned the game from unplayable to playable and enjoyable for me !

One thing I have noticied with 1.66A is the lack of police around ??? I can get two shields and still no police give chase ?

I am running with the following spec, with 158.22 drivers on XP SP2

E6400 @ 3.2 Ghz
BFG 8800GTX OC
2 GB DDR2-800

[LMMagnusson]

Still have the drivers that came with the computer (winXP32bit): 97.92
No stutter before patch, no stutter after. :)
After reading this thread about problems with newer drivers.... I'll probably never try to update them (if it works...don't mess with it) rolleyesa

Don't know what I'll do if I get a game that requires later drivers though....dual boot perhaps... weirdblue

[seppov1ch]

well I have applied 1.66A and I can say that this has resolved the majority of the stuttering. I still get the smallest of micro stutters when in busy city environments, but this has turned the game from unplayable to playable and enjoyable for me !

...

signed :) it was better with my 7800gt b4 but now it´s really playable.
i´ll try to install older drivers anyway like in the post above.

[Cold-Fission]

I have ordered the game and am worried im going to run into the problems that people have been reporting, please see my system specs below.

E6400 Core2Duo
2GB DDR2 RAM
8800GTS 320mb OC
Asus P5B Motherboard
Audigy 2 sound

Just want to know if there are issues related to these components, i understand that the stuttering is related to SLi configurations only ? or is this wrong

[tigacatch]

Specs as follows

PSU OCZ 520W MODSTREAM
CPU Type DualCore AMD Opteron 165, 2400 MHz (9 x 267)
Motherboard Name MSI K8N SLI Platinum (MS-7100)
Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce4 SLI, AMD Hammer
System Memory 2048 MB Type: Corsair 3200XL Pro
BIOS Type Award (04/10/06)
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS (320 MB)
Drivers tested ForceWare Release 158.24
ForceWare Release 162.22 Beta
Monitor Samsung SyncMaster 913N 19" LCD
Audio Adapter Creative SB Live! 24-bit onboard
IDE Controller NVIDIA nForce4 Serial ATA Controller
Disk Drive WDC Raptor SCSI 150 GB, 10000 RPM, SATA
Disk Drive WDC SCSI Disk Device 465 GB
Disk Drive WDC Raptor SCSI 74 GB, 10000 RPM SATA
Optical Drive PIONEER DVD RW DVR-107D ATA Device
Operating System Windows Vista 32 bit
Backround tasks Nod32 antivirus
AVG anti-spyware
Zonealarm firewall

Been having lots of problems with new patch.
A lot of bluescreening BSOD's
No sound in rear cockpit view
Lots of stuttering even so frame rates at 45-50fps

[Gargula]

The official patch dont fix my lag in game or... Stuttering Lag..... :noooo: :noooo: :noooo: :noooo:

[killercom]

I have ordered the game and am worried im going to run into the problems that people have been reporting, please see my system specs below.

E6400 Core2Duo
2GB DDR2 RAM
8800GTS 320mb OC
Asus P5B Motherboard
Audigy 2 sound

Just want to know if there are issues related to these components, i understand that the stuttering is related to SLi configurations only ? or is this wrong

hey cold fission
i have a similar Rig to yours :
Core 2 Duo E6600 OCed to 3.2GHZ
2GB DDR2 Ram
Asus AI Lifestyle P5B
BFG 8800GTS 320MB Factory OCed
OnBoard Soundmax HD
FSP Blue Storm 2
EMachines E19T5W 19" Monitor

i get around 50 - 70 FPS with all settings on the game and in the NV control Panel MAXED out i only get a extremely little amount of stutter (less than a second) on the game so its not limited to SLI systems hope this info helps

[seppov1ch]

The official patch dont fix my lag in game or... Stuttering Lag..... :noooo: :noooo: :noooo: :noooo:

it makes it alot better here but --> http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=64142
:chapeau:

btw i have no probs with other games :rolleyes:

[Cold-Fission]

I question Atari's use of a website article to explain the problem, they arent confirming the problem either lies with Nvidia or TDU merely suggesting it is which is abit poor. I dont have an problems with it in other games that ive noticed some im not entirely convinced. I had a look at the release notes for 162.34 Beta and cant see a fix for it.

Thanks for the reply Killercom, we do share the same motherboard and Graphics Card (not sure i like the T-shirt), your post atleast gives me some hope it will work

[Maplassie_GTR]

After installing the Patch I am getting lower framerates/more stutters.

Before Patch this was my system:

AMD 4800X2 (2.8GHZ per core)
4 GIG Kingtson Hyper X DDR466 (2-3-2-5 T1)
XFX 8800 GTS 640
2x 320 Seagate SATA II drives.


Now THe specs are the same. Execpt the GTS was replaced by an 8800 ULTRA. Then I patched, and even on the Ultra I get like 30-35FPS (1280x1024 4xAA 16XAF). I tried beta drivers, old drivers, new drivers, Quadro drivers etc. No luck yet.

BUT. WHen I uninstall TDU, and install and play it without the patch, it runs Ultra awesome. as soon as I install the patch, beta or retail, the FPS drop by around 50%!!!!!!!!!!! I tested it back and forth. the whole time. Stock TDU = 100% performance, patched TDU lags and runs slow.

[killercom]

I question Atari's use of a website article to explain the problem, they arent confirming the problem either lies with Nvidia or TDU merely suggesting it is which is abit poor. I dont have an problems with it in other games that ive noticed some im not entirely convinced. I had a look at the release notes for 162.34 Beta and cant see a fix for it.

Thanks for the reply Killercom, we do share the same motherboard and Graphics Card (not sure i like the T-shirt), your post atleast gives me some hope it will work

The T Shirt was for americans that go to the all you can eat restarants LOL,
XXL i got and i am only a size S but it would fit nicely if i put around 260lbs on in body mass

[firefox007]

I have a amd x2 4200 dual core and ofcourse the 8800gts(640mb)
at the moment i am using the 162.22 driver from nvidia
I downloaded the ntune from nvidia
I let it tune for the 20 minutes so i went from 2.2 gh to 2.53 with my processor and the fsb went from 201 to 230 and the stuttering is as good as gone

So the "lower processors" are the bottleneck for this game mdr1 :respect:

hope this will help some people



P.S i am using vista ultimate 32 bit

[kiffey]

I have the best 8800 going as far as I know xfx 8800 ultra xxx... I get the stuttering, but I'm told it is an NVidia issue and they are gonna look into making new drivers to fix it. Hopefully they mean across the board as I'm on 64 bit vista and the driver version I have is something like 154.24 if I recall.

[ewok666]

I have the best 8800 going as far as I know xfx 8800 ultra xxx... I get the stuttering, but I'm told it is an NVidia issue and they are gonna look into making new drivers to fix it. Hopefully they mean across the board as I'm on 64 bit vista and the driver version I have is something like 154.24 if I recall.

Note quite right. The error described in that tech article (from the sticky) sounds nothing like what I am experiencing. My issue, and that on many others, seems to be directly related to loading of world data from the disk. it does not hang, require a restart of the game or anything like that.

Cheers

[seppov1ch]

Note quite right. The error described in that tech article (from the sticky) sounds nothing like what I am experiencing. My issue, and that on many others, seems to be directly related to loading of world data from the disk. it does not hang, require a restart of the game or anything like that.

Cheers

i hope they mean the same in the sticky :nuts:

[ewok666]

i hope they mean the same in the sticky :nuts:

Who knows. Yesterday I upgraded from 2GB to 4GB just to see if it makes a difference....I thought it might improve the disk caching but it still not good.

[bsmash]

Hey,

I have a AMD x2 4200+ with 1Gb ram,and i bought a 8800 GTS 320MB. In the game, i have some crashes during the gameplay specially when i have an accident with another car. i already have done the sugests on the help of game, but it doesn't work. Could somoone give me a litle help?

thanks,

[killercom]

Hey,

I have a AMD x2 4200+ with 1Gb ram,and i bought a 8800 GTS 320MB. In the game, i have some crashes during the gameplay specially when i have an accident with another car. i already have done the sugests on the help of game, but it doesn't work. Could somoone give me a litle help?

thanks,

You could try another 1gb of ram or is you CPU under to much load

[killercom]

Who knows. Yesterday I upgraded from 2GB to 4GB just to see if it makes a difference....I thought it might improve the disk caching but it still not good.

What O/S u using

[Jonniringodingo]

My specs are in my sig.

I have the same stuttering in graphics and since the patch, I've now gotten stuttering in my engine noises.

I was using Forceware 162.18. Then under advisement, I tried 160.02 Quadro (but it also supports many cards including the entire 8800 line).

Then I went back to Forceware 158.22. Then I noticed that someone seemed to think that the older drivers might fare better, so I tried Forceware 92.91.

They don't seem to make much of a difference either way.

Now, I have all Anti-Aliasing off, HDR off, textures set to MEDIUM, resolution set down to 1280X1024 32bit, 75mhz, and renamed the Birds/Leaves folder.

I'm getting an average of 89 FPS, BUT I still get drops every 1-2 minutes down to 11FPS, then game locks-up, and I end up in the water or trees. This isn't conducive to racing.

Now, on my system, is there any reason that I should suspect a hardware issue??

ASUS M2N32SLI-Deluxe, AMD Athlon X2 6000+, 4 GB Corsair DDR2800, TWO Nvidia 8800 GTS's (640mb) SLI, 700W Antec PSU, Creative X-FI Extreme Gamer, 1TB Free HDD Space, all of the latest drivers, updated BIOS, no malware, running at a cool 26.6 celsius (80 F.)

I'm also using Windows XP Professional. Norton Anti_Virus 2007. Bug free.

[bsmash]

You could try another 1gb of ram or is you CPU under to much load

you're saying that the problem maybe is the hardware, but the system requeriments are much less that i have. hapens the same with all resolutions, 800*600 withou HDR and anti-alisyng either with 1280*1024 with HDR and Anti-alisyng ON.

I've formated my harddisk recently so i didn't have a lot of processes runing.

I was the ideia that coul be from the drivers, perhaps i'm wrong.

thanks,

cumps

[Lizard_Of_Bodom]

I'm also using Windows XP Professional. Norton Anti_Virus 2007. Bug free.

did u try to turn off Norton AV before starting the game?
I got used to my sort of routine before starting the game.
- disable Norton
- close Logitech profiler
- close A4 x-7 profiler
- open TDU backup utility
- run Ntune to set up brightness little bit higher
- run the game
- (still using expliced words during gameplay due to stuttering :nuts: )

:atari:

[Davka]

I have some stuttering (but is not so bad) on my 8800GTS 320MB. It was much less noticable with 7900GS 512MB.

Athlon 64 X2 3800+ @ 2.4GHz
2GB RAM (DDR2 800)
DFI Infinity
Gigabyte 8800GTS 320MB (@ 600/1900)

Windows XP Pro SP2

[itskrom]

firefox007 wrote

"So the "lower processors" are the bottleneck for this game"

so you mean the stammering I have been getting is because my QX6700 quadcore clocked at 3.2ghz is the bottleneck, what would you suggest I change it too then?.
All ready been told by the admin /mods on here its my 8800gtx's in sli causing it, and should change them. lol I mean what a joke.
DOh

[killercom]

My specs are in my sig.

I have the same stuttering in graphics and since the patch, I've now gotten stuttering in my engine noises.

I was using Forceware 162.18. Then under advisement, I tried 160.02 Quadro (but it also supports many cards including the entire 8800 line).

Then I went back to Forceware 158.22. Then I noticed that someone seemed to think that the older drivers might fare better, so I tried Forceware 92.91.

They don't seem to make much of a difference either way.

Now, I have all Anti-Aliasing off, HDR off, textures set to MEDIUM, resolution set down to 1280X1024 32bit, 75mhz, and renamed the Birds/Leaves folder.

I'm getting an average of 89 FPS, BUT I still get drops every 1-2 minutes down to 11FPS, then game locks-up, and I end up in the water or trees. This isn't conducive to racing.

Now, on my system, is there any reason that I should suspect a hardware issue??

ASUS M2N32SLI-Deluxe, AMD Athlon X2 6000+, 4 GB Corsair DDR2800, TWO Nvidia 8800 GTS's (640mb) SLI, 700W Antec PSU, Creative X-FI Extreme Gamer, 1TB Free HDD Space, all of the latest drivers, updated BIOS, no malware, running at a cool 26.6 celsius (80 F.)

I'm also using Windows XP Professional. Norton Anti_Virus 2007. Bug free.


Did you use Driver Cleaner to clear all the old nvidia drivers and there is no point having more than 2GB of ram in XP as it doesn't utilise it or monitor the Task manager for excessive Ram or CPU usage. But really u should be kicking the games A** on FPS

[killercom]

firefox007 wrote

"So the "lower processors" are the bottleneck for this game"

so you mean the stammering I have been getting is because my QX6700 quadcore clocked at 3.2ghz is the bottleneck, what would you suggest I change it too then?.
All ready been told by the admin /mods on here its my 8800gtx's in sli causing it, and should change them. lol I mean what a joke.
DOh

Think Atari are trying to blame the 8800GTS/GTX on the stutter but i think its either the Game or a bad Rig configration

[killercom]

you're saying that the problem maybe is the hardware, but the system requeriments are much less that i have. hapens the same with all resolutions, 800*600 withou HDR and anti-alisyng either with 1280*1024 with HDR and Anti-alisyng ON.

I've formated my harddisk recently so i didn't have a lot of processes runing.

I was the ideia that coul be from the drivers, perhaps i'm wrong.

thanks,

cumps

Did u use a driver cleaner to remove what the uninstaller left behind if not it could be them giving u bad perfomance

[OnidaxV1]

I get bad fps and stutter!

In the city I get like 28 fps, out of the city between 30 -45. My system should own the game Id have thought.

Specs:

8800GTS 640mb
4GB of ram
250 GB HD
650 W PSU
AMD 4400 Dule Core 64 bit
O/S - Vista 64 bit

This is the only game I get low fps in! (Get slow downs in F.E.A.R) but thats driver related!

[killercom]

I get bad fps and stutter!

In the city I get like 28 fps, out of the city between 30 -45. My system should own the game Id have thought.

Specs:

8800GTS 640mb
4GB of ram
250 GB HD
650 W PSU
AMD 4400 Dule Core 64 bit
O/S - Vista 64 bit

This is the only game I get low fps in! (Get slow downs in F.E.A.R) but thats driver related!

Check your setting in the nvidia control panel
or try your own manuel settings

[ewok666]

I get bad fps and stutter!

In the city I get like 28 fps, out of the city between 30 -45. My system should own the game Id have thought.

Specs:

8800GTS 640mb
4GB of ram
250 GB HD
650 W PSU
AMD 4400 Dule Core 64 bit
O/S - Vista 64 bit

This is the only game I get low fps in! (Get slow downs in F.E.A.R) but thats driver related!

What resolution and AA settings? Are you forcing anything through the drivers?

[seppov1ch]

I get bad fps and stutter!

In the city I get like 28 fps, out of the city between 30 -45. My system should own the game Id have thought.

Specs:

8800GTS 640mb
4GB of ram
250 GB HD
650 W PSU
AMD 4400 Dule Core 64 bit
O/S - Vista 64 bit

This is the only game I get low fps in! (Get slow downs in F.E.A.R) but thats driver related!

which mainboard do you have and what´s the bios-version?

//edit: did someone tried to tab-out and in back again like metioned in the sticky?

[Brilquareion]

I see im not the only one with this problem.

My comp;

Asus P5WD2 PREMIUM
Intel P4 D 3GHz(2 CPU's)
2048MB DDR2
2 HDD 350GB/260GB
XFX 8800 GTS 320MB
550W Power.
Win XP

I run the game on 1440x900 with everything on max, with HDR on. The game goes smooth, but now and then i get this "freeze" for half a second, no matter where i am, or what i do. I have tried to turn resolution down, turn HDR off, nothing helps.

Im currently using 162.18. But tried 158.22 and the 165.01, no difference.

And i have tried the Alt-Tab, does not help me :)

[OnidaxV1]

Im using in game settings only. Nothing is being forced by the nvidia control pannel. I use Abit - An8-v mobo.

1280-1024 - worked fine with my 7950GT

[M_3628905]

Have an ASUS 8800GTS 320mb

No probs with it, but if I install GamerOSD then I get all sorts of problems

Vista Ultimate 32bit
Intel Core2Duo E6600
AsRock 4Core Dual VSTA mobo
2 gig DDRII RAM
320GB SATAII HDD + 250GB IDE HDD
450w Power Supply
and the gfx card

Latest gfx drivers as of 2 weeks ago (mid July)

Do you guys have enough power supply for the 8800?

[ewok666]

Have an ASUS 8800GTS 320mb

No probs with it, but if I install GamerOSD then I get all sorts of problems

Vista Ultimate 32bit
Intel Core2Duo E6600
AsRock 4Core Dual VSTA mobo
2 gig DDRII RAM
320GB SATAII HDD + 250GB IDE HDD
450w Power Supply
and the gfx card

Latest gfx drivers as of 2 weeks ago (mid July)

Do you guys have enough power supply for the 8800?

I've got plenty of power for the 8800. What I don't have is a working edition of Test drive Unlimited. I tried ALL settings, all drivers. The only thing that made a difference was defragging the TDU folder. It now lives by itself on a Raid 0 but still.....the stutter is not all gone.

Eden need to work out what is wrong. This affects NOT only 8800 cards but other high end cards as well.

With the large number of users reporting this here, I refuse to believe that Eden cannot reproduce the problem...they're either to thick to fix it or they do not care...or both.

Some mods pointed at Nvidia driver issues resulting in low FPS. This is a totally different issue and has nothing to do with low FPS. The FPS stay the same as fraps clearly shows. It's like the card keeps rendering frames but it's not fed updated world data for a split second.....maybe while it is being fetched from the disk.

I ran some tests tonight....doing multiple large copies on my TDU drive while playing and it DOES make the stutter a lot worse. So the next question is: How do I make my drive a lot faster....it's already a near empty 400GB Raid0....



Cheers

[Jarno87]

I no problems with my 8800GTS.
only my gearbox is broke en when i hit "M" for map, i return no desktop :laugh:

System:
Pentium Core 2 Duo 6600
Nvidia GeForce 8800GTS 640mb
XP Home SP2
2GB ram

[csteinsv]

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2
Language: English (Regional Setting: Norwegian (Bokmål))
System Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
System Model: hp workstation xw8200
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 3072MB RAM
Page File: 272MB used, 5142MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Display Devices
---------------
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 8800 GTX

Display Memory: 768.0 MB
Current Mode: 2560 x 1600 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Dell 3007WFP
Monitor Max Res: 2560,1600
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0011.6218 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail


Spendt some hours on this now, and no matter what i do. tried 4-5 different drivers. REsolution settings HDR off or on. The stuttering remains almost the same. The thing that is most annoying is it seem to get worse in multiplayer games especialy if you get close to another racer or to a wall on the highway.
and the little second of stutter makes me chrash ALWAYS. :mad:

[seppov1ch]

a new nvidia-driver will come out which fixes the problem, hopefully :D read the sticky.

/edit: some1 tried one of the new nvidia-drivers?

[PensacolaDrifter]

AMD Athlon X2 4800+
EVGA 8800GTS 320mb
2 gigs G.skill DDR800 ram
EVGA mobo
XP professional

I'm getting lag at higher speeds in thick traffic.

[chester180]

DDR2 2048MX (2x1g) pc5300 667mhz
BENQ 22" wide screen
Asus PSN-E-SLI 5775 Quad core nf650 SLI 2xPCIE x 16 x raid GBLAN 1394a ATX
Leadtek Winfast Geforce PX8800 320mb Dual DVI HDTV SLI PCI Express
ASUS 181li 18x DVD bruner
Intel ATX f6320 core 2 duo 1.86GHz/4mb Cache
Antec 430w True power trio ATX 120mm fan PCI-Express fan
Razer Krait mouse.
Logitech x540 5.1 surround sound
Logitech G25 steering wheel

Thats what im running, Honestly no shutters/Lag/or anything of the above it runs perfectly.

[seppov1ch]

chester, perhaps it is your low video-memory that makes tdu run great. ppl with 768mb have stuttering. had a 7800gt b4 and it ran smoothly. ...in the same system btw...

[chester180]

Wow man thats unlucky. But the one problem i do have is i can't get it working on the net :(

Argh well im happy i don't have the problem you guys are or where having.

Cheers

[Cold-Fission]

Have to agree with Killcom, i dont think the stuttering issue is caused by Nvidia and is just a case of Atari passing the buck. There are plenty of people with 8800 series cards with no problem and plenty that do, most of us have the presence of mind to update to the latest drivers so its more likely the game. Ive taken a look at the release notes for beta driver 163.44 and currently the only fixes are for crashes for the 7300GT and 6600GT. I know kalniel is only relaying what he/she is told but from my point of view it smacks of Atari passing the buck.

[pabka760]

Hi I just wanted to point out that these games many times use level of detail and a constantly loading informaton from the harddrive thus the hard drive readrate and cahsh memory is alsow an important parameter in the speed (lagging in the game). Im not sure if the har drive should be slower on vista systems though but there is an option to enebale better harddrive preformance in Vista. Im running this card to and I will post wheter or not I had truble after Installed the game. Good luck!

[kalniel]

Have to agree with Killcom, i dont think the stuttering issue is caused by Nvidia and is just a case of Atari passing the buck. There are plenty of people with 8800 series cards with no problem and plenty that do, most of us have the presence of mind to update to the latest drivers so its more likely the game. Ive taken a look at the release notes for beta driver 163.44 and currently the only fixes are for crashes for the 7300GT and 6600GT. I know kalniel is only relaying what he/she is told but from my point of view it smacks of Atari passing the buck.
I wasn't told that by Atari - the sources are clearly linked to in the sticky, unless you're saying that Atari contacted all those people to run those investigations and gave them those results somehow? :p

[holger53]

Do me a favour:

Actually I don't have TDU installed. But remember to have

stuttering in the game (also with rfactor, GTR2 etc).

If there is a chance to configure TDU to run in windowed mode,

then try it. It will remove the stuttering.

I tested it with several games.

It works!

Dual Core with 8800 GTX and 3 GB of Ram (ASUS SLI board - only one 8800
installed)

[randomus_r]

If there is a chance to configure TDU to run in windowed mode,

then try it. It will remove the stuttering.

Not heard that one before, anyhow, to run TDU in Window mode...
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x12/randomus_robbius/windowmode.jpg
Right click on TDU icon, click Properties and put *space*-w after the target :)

[FSBxMulti]

Gave that (-w) a lash today, seems to be the same. Still has the the stuttering and micro freezes every now and then. System as in sig.

[FSBxMulti]

Have to agree with Killcom, i dont think the stuttering issue is caused by Nvidia and is just a case of Atari passing the buck. There are plenty of people with 8800 series cards with no problem and plenty that do, most of us have the presence of mind to update to the latest drivers so its more likely the game. Ive taken a look at the release notes for beta driver 163.44 and currently the only fixes are for crashes for the 7300GT and 6600GT. I know kalniel is only relaying what he/she is told but from my point of view it smacks of Atari passing the buck.

I tried this driver today, and I don't know if this means anything, but, GRAW2 and Americas army ran fine. TDU, refused to load. Black screen, then mouse pointer ( TDU grey one ) comes up on screen, and then nothing further.System sits idle for ages.... Uninstalled, reinstalled a clean 162.18, back to normal... weirdblue

[Luke77]

Well I used to run 7600gt in Sli.Playable frames at all time(after playing with settings,tho).
Not performance drop or whatsoever.Drop fps was logicaly in city or heavy traffic ecc. but never hapened any graphic bug or drop fps bellow 23 fps.
Now I swaped for 8800gts 320 Mb..All settings on max res.,HDR,"aa,16AF.
NIceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!One would say..
I have also some frame drop,and sometimes I cant even play..(2-5fps)
But mostly game is playable(40-50fps)
I recon that this is driver issue.
My spec now:Amdx2 4200 2.7Ghz(270 fbs,10multiplier),2 gig of ram,8800gts(tmrw I expecting new 88000GTX:)),A8N32 sli de-luxe(939),x-fi platinum,400Gb hitashi Hdd 16mb buffer.Before spec was the same,just with two 7600Gt SLI.

[Jjustme]

my specs are:

e6700 @ 2.75 (coolers not on properly)
2gig 800mhz ram
evga 8800gtx oc2 162.22.
vista home 32bit

workz flawless except yesterday when it hung on the black loading screen, deleted my cache, and once again works flawless without the -w thing.
I have put the -fps in target, but i can't see any fps in the game.

[seppov1ch]

Nvidia ForceWare 163.69 Final for Vista is out.

tonight i´ll give them a try. hopefully the stuttering is gone.
read the "gf8800 owners" sticky, too.

[Tjarf]

I tried the 163.69 Beta for XP. The Micro-Freezes (short and long (1 Sek.)) are still in the game.

EDIT: I tried with 1024 x 768 and 1280 x 960

(excuse my bad english)

[kalniel]

Your english is good, thanks for the info :)

[M_3628905]

Perhaps there is a common item here that most people who own an 8800 would also own a dual core CPU.

In the Readme.htm file on your disk - at section 10 it mentions an update you need for Dual-core PCs.

I never worried about this because i have Vista, and possibly it already has that update.

But when I played TDU on my same PC in XP - I did have much worse performance - with stutterring, etc.

Perhaps someon might look into this and report if it helps them at all? :)

[Jasper57]

Perhaps there is a common item here that most people who own an 8800 would also own a dual core CPU.

In the Readme.htm file on your disk - at section 10 it mentions an update you need for Dual-core PCs.

I never worried about this because i have Vista, and possibly it already has that update.

But when I played TDU on my same PC in XP - I did have much worse performance - with stutterring, etc.

Perhaps someon might look into this and report if it helps them at all? :)


Yeah the program you speak of is the Dual Core Optimiser but is only needed for AMD dual cores but i have that running and it doesnt make a blind bit of difference to my stuttering on my 8800GTS 320mb.

I just upgraded from a 6800ultra and i never had the stutters on that card.

Amusing thing is every other game i run, Bioshock, GRAW etc etc runs perfectly fine with no lag or no stutter. Only this game does.

/me points at atari/edens direction.........

[dzidza]

Where could one get dual core update?

Thx,

[Jasper57]

Where could one get dual core update?

Thx,

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_9706,00.html

Top file.

Only use it if you have an AMD dual core.

[M_3628905]

Slightly related - this is released by MS for Intel cpu users:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936357

Read through it before installing

[Tjarf]

Perhaps there is a common item here that most people who own an 8800 would also own a dual core CPU.

In the Readme.htm file on your disk - at section 10 it mentions an update you need for Dual-core PCs.

I never worried about this because i have Vista, and possibly it already has that update.

But when I played TDU on my same PC in XP - I did have much worse performance - with stutterring, etc.

Perhaps someon might look into this and report if it helps them at all? :)

Yes i own a dual core CPU. I´ve got all windows updates. No new updates aviable. I only have the beta driver, no section 10 in the XP release notes (release notes on the nvidia homepage). Did you mean a special dual core update?

EDIT: i will try the link

EDIT 2: no difference, problems are still in the game.

Thank you.


Amusing thing is every other game i run, Bioshock, GRAW etc etc runs perfectly fine with no lag or no stutter. Only this game does.



I agree. With the old version, i only had this problem in the races. But after 1.66 the problem is also in the "free-mode" (or "free-ride-mode"? :) i hope you know what i want to say).

A few games are doesn´t work propperly with the 8800, e.g. Splinter Cell Double Agent (without the -ll solution).

[assiemodis]

Ive got micro-freezes too with my 8800 gts but i did notice that it is a lot less not gone but less if i play with my gamepad instead of my steering wheel.
Patch improved the gameplay for me with steering wheel but not solve it.
Maybe anyone else experience this?

[Britguy21]

I've only been playing this for less than a day after finaly getting a rig that can run it but it still seems the odd frame is jerky. Love the game but would like some help as my system should thrash this.

Athlon64 X2 6000
Geforce 8800GTX
X-fi gamer
Vista Premium
2GB DDR2 667

[fig_jam_uk]

Hey all I have I slightly different GPUs than you guys but still 8*** series the specs are below, I just cant beleve this issue is still ongoing and been made worse for some people by the update.

AMD X2 4400 AM2
4Gb DDRII 677 PAE enabled to show all 4 Gb in 32 bit
2x 8600GT 512Mb SLI
Primary HDD 4x 40Gb SATAII drives in raid 0

[Tjarf]

I´ve installed Win Vista 32 on the second part. of my disk, installed all windows updates and the latest nVidia display driver (163.69)

I´m sorry to say, but the problems are not solved. I have the same problems.

(I added my dxdiag. If you think that the problem is caused in my configuration, please response.)

Nvidia ForceWare 163.69 Final for Vista is out.

tonight i´ll give them a try. hopefully the stuttering is gone.
read the "gf8800 owners" sticky, too.

Do you have still the problems?

[seppov1ch]

yesterday i only had time to install the new drivers and the vista-nvidia-fix but had no time to test tdu. http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B940105&x=11&y=9

[Tjarf]

yesterday i only had time to install the new drivers and the vista-nvidia-fix but had no time to test tdu. http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B940105&x=11&y=9

Which fix do you mean? The KB940105 (memory) or the KB936710 (for sli)?

I´ve installed both (so i cannot say which helps). And: :chapeau: now i have less freezes and shorter freezes. It´s really not perfect (with 2 x 8800 GTS 640 SLI, i should have a better performance), but i can just live with that.

Thank you. :)

[kramer_hpal]

i'm having some issues with graphics too. i'm using the highest graphic settings (considering my system they should be child's play for my pc). i have a 20" widescreen monitor (16:10ratio, 1680*1050pixels, Benq FP202W V3) and i see lots of tearings during game (i'm not sure if it's called *tearing* sorry). In other games i use the V-Sync option and this solves the problem but as TDU doesnt have such an option im desperate. even the home menu shows tears sometimes. also there happens a serious frame drop when i make a 360-spin and everywhere is dust clouds altho such thing never happens anywhere else.

i have installed the 166A patch. and also have all windows updates and driver updates possible.
my system specs:
Intel C2D E6750
OCZ DDR2 2*1GB 800Mhz Dual Channel Ram
MSI T2D320E NX8800GTS OC Edition
Abit IP35 Motherboard
Windows Vista Ultimate

[M_3628905]

your nVidia control panel should allow you to force Vsync in your games if you want to try that

[kramer_hpal]

good idea; i will try that next time i open tdu... atm i'm so pissed about the "connection lost" error appeared just while i was winning the race :mad: (and, i have 4Mbits ADSL connection grrr...)

[M_3628905]

yeah - i've been disconnected twice in the last 10 mins - i'm getting annoyed

[kramer_hpal]

forcing VSync over Nvidia Control Panel helped alot; thanks much M_3628905

but now; i'm having low fps while driving and really low fps during cutscenes... probably caused by some high quality setting forced by nvidia. hope i can find which one is that... btw, TDU servers are extremely slowwww :noooo:

edit:
ah great; just when i thought i fixed the frame rate... and now game locks-up randomly. i honestly wish that i did not bought this game. and dont even say it's about my hardware :wasntme: , i CAN play Dirt on high settings and even WorldInConflict with medium/high settings; and no problem/crash/bug or anything.

no love for atari; sorry :(

[Kaimi]

Amusing thing is every other game i run, Bioshock, GRAW etc etc runs perfectly fine with no lag or no stutter. Only this game does.

/me points at atari/edens direction.........

Other games runs fine just because they loads all objects BEFORE you actually play. I mean that games separated by levels or locations. In TDU we have one big island. And this requires dynamic loading. When objects are loading into card memory - card cannot do other things and picture freezes.

That's my opinion, not the facts :-)

[kramer_hpal]

i'm desperate again and need some help...

tdu just locks up/crashes after 1 minute of driving. only way of getting back to windows is ctrl-alt-del. i have uninstalled; deleted every folder related tdu and re-installed and re-patched. still the same. what should i do?

btw; i have a digital copy of the game (i bought it online and downloaded), and i have downloaded the patch from the seller's page (here) (http://game.gamesplanet.com/patch.html?product_id=243); if this matters...

[Ceano]

i'm desperate again and need some help...

tdu just locks up/crashes after 1 minute of driving. only way of getting back to windows is ctrl-alt-del. i have uninstalled; deleted every folder related tdu and re-installed and re-patched. still the same. what should i do?

btw; i have a digital copy of the game (i bought it online and downloaded), and i have downloaded the patch from the seller's page (here) (http://game.gamesplanet.com/patch.html?product_id=243); if this matters...

http://forums.eu.atari.com/showpost.php?p=1492234&postcount=109

[kramer_hpal]

thanks for the link Ceano; seems it solved my problem -for today-.

i wonder what type of new bugs/problems/server-down-times i'll be seing in the next days... rolleyesa

[Thomasso76]

This thread is for nVidia 8800 users, but I want say that game stutters also on ATI graphic cards. I have ATI X1950 Pro from Powercolor with 256MB of video memory and TDU stutters the same like on GF 8800. So i think it is not the case with vga drivers. :rolleyes:

Regards
Thomasso76

[MADNESS_3D]

Anyone tried 163.71

In The release notes it says
"Improved performance of the graphics memory manager on GeForce 8
series GPUs running DirectX 9 applications in single-GPU and NVIDIA SLI
configurations.
These improvements solve cases of reported performance slowdowns in some 3D applications
with high graphics settings and resolutions."

Linky
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_163.71.html

I care that this gets fixed as im getting an 8800GTS in about a month
Will be less than impressed if i experience further issues

EDIT
This thread is for nVidia 8800 users, but I want say that game stutters also on ATI graphic cards. I have ATI X1950 Pro from Powercolor with 256MB of video memory and TDU stutters the same like on GF 8800. So i think it is not the case with vga drivers. :rolleyes:

Regards
Thomasso76

Are you getting intermitent stutters like these guys
or persistent low FPS?
(you shouldnt with an X1950)

[kramer_hpal]

i'm using 163.71 Beta Drivers with Vista 32Bit for about a week... they didnt made any difference for me.

also; using the fixer .bat file; i had some random crashes today too. they happened either while i was driving fast (more than 300kph) or there are too much online people near me (more than 5).

[Thomasso76]

Are you getting intermitent stutters like these guys
or persistent low FPS?
(you shouldnt with an X1950)

Overall FPS are OK. But from time to time game just freezes for a less than second maybe. This happens more often in a urban areas.


Thomasso75

[roscoepstig]

Just got a BFG 8800 GTS and I get the same stuttering. Didn't get any on my 6800GS.


Eden, have you not fixed this game yet?

[Dustwave]

I tired the latest beta drivers from nvidia (163.71) and the game ran a lot smoother than with 162.18. I played all night without problems, yet today my computer crashes with an nv4_disp stop error whenever i try to launch tdu :(

Back to the old drivers i guess :(

[roscoepstig]

Nice advice mate!! :)
The betas make the game 98% playable, I've had a cruise about for an hour and I've only seen it stutter twice.

Nvidia are on the right path.

[MADNESS_3D]

Nice advice mate!! :)
The betas make the game 98% playable, I've had a cruise about for an hour and I've only seen it stutter twice.

Nvidia are on the right path.

Glad to Hear It :)

[SubyRS]

I'm using the 162.18 whql's without any graphics issues at all.

[Dustwave]

I'm using the 162.18 whql's without any graphics issues at all.I didn't have any issues either when i had just one 8800gts 640mb xxx edition...then i got another one to run in SLI and all hell broke loose on some settings, while on other settings (not necessarily lower) it ran fine...

I hope it won't be too long anymore untill the new drivers are released officially, the beta drivers i tried really did improve the performance.

[Kimck098]

I actually have no problems at all.

Core 2 Duo E6400 @3200MHz
Corsair XM2S PC6400 2GB Matched CL4
Gigabye 965P DS3
BFG Geforce 8800GTS 640MB @550MHz
Enermax Liberty 620W

Don't understand why everyone else does. weirdblue

Also I'm using the 162.18 Drivers.

[Dustwave]

I actually have no problems at all.

Core 2 Duo E6400 @3200MHz
Corsair XM2S PC6400 2GB Matched CL4
Gigabye 965P DS3
BFG Geforce 8800GTS 640MB @550MHz
Enermax Liberty 620W

Don't understand why everyone else does. weirdblue

Also I'm using the 162.18 Drivers.I didn't either when i had just 1 8800GTS 640mb.

[Dustwave]

New nVidia drivers out now! Forceware 163.71 was officially released on the 28th :D

But i still have the nv4_disp.dll bsod with it :noooo:

[k1klass]

Its not all 8800's that have the problem from nvidia's drivers, it just a few brands of the 320 gts, ive researched this as ive just put 2 320 in sli in my system, easy way to tell is i have no slow down lag on any other game at all, but on tdu i get the odd stutter so i would think its a tdu problem with these cards, or just another bug to add to the alarming big list.

And to be honest i think folk have a few wires crossed here, the bug from nvidia causes games to slow down to alarming low fps, not stutter.

[fig_jam_uk]

New nVidia drivers out now! Forceware 163.71 was officially released on the 28th :D

But i still have the nv4_disp.dll bsod with it :noooo:

I have the new drivers but still no good :mefiant:

One thing I have discovered is if you have SLI and it is enabled... Turn SLI off Made mine much smoother, it aint perfect but its much better.

[B4zza]

And to be honest i think folk have a few wires crossed here, the bug from nvidia causes games to slow down to alarming low fps, not stutter.

Im with you, i dont think 8800 issues in TDU are to do with the memory controller.Now fsx on the older drivers did suffer for me,99% sure it was the memory controller in that issue because it would start of ok,but frames would end up down to the sub 10 area.This behavour is nothing like what happens in TDU with microfreezes and hardlocks. But now fsx runs smooth as silk, as does every game i own, including BETAS that arent even fully released yet.With the exception of TDU offcourse, it still runs like a dog!

Its like borderline playable most of the time,changing settings has little to no impact.Im no expert, but it sure just feels like a poorly coded game to me.Memory controller issue is just a scapegoat.

[Raiggu]

Are 163.71's any better than 163.69's?

Should i change to them, everything else runs just fine with .69's.

[Dustwave]

I have the new drivers but still no good :mefiant:

One thing I have discovered is if you have SLI and it is enabled... Turn SLI off Made mine much smoother, it aint perfect but its much better.lol read my post, i just said that tonguegre

But with SLI it's still smoother than without (atleast on these settings). The new drivers (163.71) DO make the game run A LOT smoother even, but after a reboot i get the notorious nv4_disp.dll BSOD. Makes the whole driver update kinda useless.

[kramer_hpal]

just to let everybody now: New beta drivers are out.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_163.75.html

ForceWare Release 163 BETA
Version: 163.75
Release Date: October 9, 2007

[FSBxMulti]

just to let everybody now: New beta drivers are out.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_163.75.html

ForceWare Release 163 BETA
Version: 163.75
Release Date: October 9, 2007

Very well, I'll give it a try now and report back....I did notice that the release notes now at least mention TDU issues."Test Drive Unlimited–blue‐screen crash occurs while changing
antialiasing settings in the game. [317480]" Nothing on the 8800's yet, but , we'll see...

-FSBxMulti

PS: I'll be testing XP version.

[k1klass]

tried these with no luck, just same.

After a week here and enjoying the game at times, im calling it a day and un-installing, a few reasons but the stutter is the main one, and now the last few days the game has started to lock up with a reboot needed, also the game aint what i thought it would be, and has not lived upto the hype, the 8 players at a time thing leaves me scratching my head i was expecting a bit more with street meets and stuff along them lines, but a bit tuff with 8 peeps, and opening a load of ports and trying fixes and still not be able to race online, seeing from the www that half the features are coded but simply not in the game and last of all is Atari staff, lots of problems in here but no feedback or help what so ever, even ea can manage a comment here and there and i thought they was the worse.

Anyway wish you good luck and hope things work out, might see you for tdu 2 in march, but i will do some homework before i buy this time.

[seppov1ch]

new drivers are out. do not have time to test...
i still have micro-stuttering it´s really anoying.