8800 GTX (GTS) Stuttering Lag, (Only G8800 owners)

[infra100]

I wanted to make one thread about this for the people with NVidia 8800 GTX's or GTS.
Quite a few people have reported stuttering lag with this card, but without the card the game runs much better...

If you suffer serve stuttering lag (at high speeds, etc) with a Geforce 8800 then please reply to this thread with your system specs, most noteable your Processor (AMD,Intel?) and RAM Size..

If you don't own a NVidia Geforce 8800 please do not post in this thread!!

My specs:

AMD X2 Dual Core 4200 @ 2.4GHz
NVidia Geforce 8800 GTX (97.92 drivers)
2GB Corsair PC3200 RAM.
Asus-A8N-Premium MB
Windows XP Professional

[Weesni]

As i wrote in other thread:

My sys:
4200+ x2
8800gts
sb x-fi fatality
arock 939 mobo
2GB Corsair VS PC3200 CL3 T2
winxp
latest drivers...

I can confirm that there was no stutters with my 7600gt before only cardlike low fps...

I tried FW 97.92 original and ngo, 97.93, 100.78, many different settings in driver, processor affinity, underclock moving to other hdd, clean install but nothing works...

[mortster]

Core 2 Duo E6300@2.8GHz
2GB DDR2-800
BFG 8800GTX OC
Asus P5b Deluxe

I had no stutters with an X1900 XT using the open beta.

I have only ever run the final retail DVD on a 8800GTX but it stutters frequently.

I am running XP SP2 with 97.92 drivers

[EVILR33]

madred:

Core 2 Duo E6300
2GB DDR2 667
XFX 8800gts XXX
ASrock 945G

Its just unbelievable that we spend more on a GFX card that a xbox360, and have to keep up for this!!
Shouldn´t this be tested and fixed before the games released? what did the Dev used for testing? geforces 2?

i´m back to Test drive 1, at least that one does stutters :laugh:

[BoomZoomer]

Core 2 Duo E6600 basic settings
DDR2 800 Mhz 2Gb
evga 8800 GTX
stripe sata raid
win xp 32-bit
97.92 (also tried beta 100. - same result)

Experiencing same freezes in TDU. Freezes appear always in the same places of the game map, rather often. By the way tests show that the card is not fully used in game (cooler works 70 percent or less, temperature below 78 C). Main processor is fully used. I'm afraid the game is not well-optimized for dual core chips - so when a graphic adapter is fast the processor experience problems with phisics and same.

[mortster]

..... I'm afraid the game is not well-optimized for dual core chips - so when a graphic adapter is fast the processor experience problems with phisics and same.

Good point, Do we have any NVidia 8800 owners here running with a single core CPU who have stutter problems ?

[firefox007]

amd x2 4200
asus 8n32 sli
1.5 gig ddr
evga 8800 gts 640 mb
x -fi fatality1 sound
asus physicscard 128 mb
no steer
fps between 50 and 60
Vista ulitimate 32 bit 10sur10

game stutters like hell(more in the city than at country roads)



fox1

[EVILR33]

Regarding the Dual core issues, i´ve followed the steps in the TDU manual, installed the Microsoft Hotfix, and it didn´t change anything. :mefiant:
Even tryed the Single core afinity and it only got crapier.

Cheers
XT

[firefox007]

as it seems it is a nvidia and tdu problem because which driver you try xp pro or vista the problem remains also the amd dual core fix doesnt solve the problem every game i have till the newest runs perfect except tdu and nfs carbon which has the same problem so it is devinidly a nvidia driver problem

[Girrari]

I also have small stuttering and lag and that's usually when it switches between parts of the map. Other than that it runs great.

Resolution is 1280X1024, everything set to high, 4XAA, 16XAF and HDR off (I had it on for a while and I haven't noticed it's impact on performace, but I don't like how it looks so I've turned it off).

[firefox007]

with my systeem everything is set to high,4 aa 1280*1024 and hd on and the game is looking good except for the stuttering.if i put everthing low and off the stuttering stays

[Lith1um]

There is one setting in the drivers which kills frame rates in games with allot of trees. It's called transparency anti-aliasing.

It applys anti-aliasing to textures that have transparent areas. Textures like vehicle windows, chain link fences, and trees. Imagine having to apply aa to every tree in your game area? Huge overhead.

Disabling it may provide an improvement.

[EVILR33]

Lith1um, did you register to say that? weirdblue

[Misstag]

Intel E6600
2GB 800MHz RAM
Gainward 8800GTS Gold Edition (640MB (97.92 drivers))
No steering wheel
Having no problems at all, except when my computer gets to warm (which happens all the time, GPU and motherboard have a temperature of ~58 degrees celsius, will fix that this weekend), getting about 35-40 FPS. Will probably get 50-60 when I fix the heating problem.

[Fluxx]

I dont own an 8800 :noooo: but.............

The offical line is............there is an issue with Nvidia cards which Nvidia are aware of and we are working with them on a solution.

Thats all the info I have at this point.........please be patient... :respect:

[infra100]

Thanks, at last we know something is being done...

[fruitydjonacid]

Just wondering if you guys are experiencing this stutter using the Microsoft Force Feedback wheel. Im running a quad core system with 8800GTX using a G25 wheel and mine runs great. I also have the MS ForceFeedback wheel which makes the game stutter, I have read on the net somewhere that this is an issue with the wheel and I couldnt seem to find any resolution for it. I also had stuttering problems with Toca Race Driver using this wheel.

Just thought i'd mention that if it helps :)

[deanco]

Just wondering if you guys are experiencing this stutter using the Microsoft Force Feedback wheel. Im running a quad core system with 8800GTX using a G25 wheel and mine runs great. I also have the MS ForceFeedback wheel which makes the game stutter, I have read on the net somewhere that this is an issue with the wheel and I couldnt seem to find any resolution for it. I also had stuttering problems with Toca Race Driver using this wheel.

Just thought i'd mention that if it helps :)

Yes, I am. With the wheel disconnected, and using the arrow keys, I get acceptable framerates. With the wheel connected, unplayable. Even the buttons are unresponsive, you might need to hold the shifter down for a second or so before it 'takes'.

DeanCo--

[Donald1963]

Good point, Do we have any NVidia 8800 owners here running with a single core CPU who have stutter problems ?

Have a lot of this, can't even play the game because of all drops/lags.

With 1024X768 no AA no HDR and medium qual i get 25-35 fps but lags ever 5-10s.

Spec:

Amd 64 3500+ sc
2x512 + 2x256 DDR400 Singel sided
Gainward blis 8800gts 640MB
Mobo Msi K8N Neo4 Platinum
Logitech G11 + 518MX
Ms xbox 360 controller for Windows.

Tested on a rig with Amd 64 3200+ same mobo 2x512 ddr333 but a 7800GT
Much better fps and no lag.

[Lith1um]

Lith1um, did you register to say that? weirdblue

And your point is?

[Weesni]

And your point is?
This thing know a good user and also the 8800gts/x can handle taa even in tdu.
It has nothing to do with this thread.
PLEASE stay on topic!
This isnt here about low fps. Its about the loading scenery lag with 8800gts/x cards...

[ripjaw]

I Cant Even Get The Game To Launch :@ As Soon As I Insert The Dics And The Game Tries To Boot I Get Tdu Exe Has Encountered A Prob And Needs To Close :( 30 Quid Down Drain I Am Fuming:@

Intel Core 2 Duo 6600

Nvidia 8800 Gts
2 Gig Ram

Updated All Drivers For Sound,chipset And Gfx Still Same Prob A ****in Bloody Disgrace Imho :@

[xtatik]

I have 2 8800GTX's (SLI'd) and I installed the game on XP64.
AMD X2 4800+ (old 939 version)
2GB mem.

Thought this would have annhialated any game.

I had major problems originally when distant scenery was being loaded, 2-3 seconds at a time. It made the game totally unplayable. No setting I changed helped at all.

But I found an extremely simple solution to this... wait for it, wait for it...

I played the game on Vista x32 with absolutly no problems. no stuttering at all and it now runs perfectly.

I know for alot of you its an extreme length to go to, buying a new OS to play one single game but it helped me.

If a patch is to be released this problem should be at the top of Edens list cuz I would prefer to play the game on XP as it uses less system resourses.

[VitaV]

Think this game has a problem with NVidia cards. Probably be fixed within the new patch when that's released. I'm upset that Atari delayed this game, and even more upset the developers screwed it up for people, on release.

The beta ran fine for me on my 7800GS Gainward AGP. My retail version should come tuesday. So I'll have to see, but from what I've read on sites, it's definatley a problem with nvidia cards.

[ZuMimmu]

I have several problems with this beautiful game, I think it could be if without problems, that make it really unplayable. My problems are the same that each one in this discussion have: stuttering and very low performance at 1280*1024, AA 4x, HDR ON and the same at 1024*768, no AA, no HDR.: about 16 Fps in my car and 9 at home, 2-3 during movies, it's like slideshow!!!

My specs: Intel E 6300
P5B Deluxe Wifi
Asus En8800Gtx
2 GB DDR2 @ 667
Logitech G25
Win Xp Home Sp2

I tried also to uninstall driving wheel but performances didn't increase .

[laragirl83]

I got it working, had problem with 8800GTS vga, tried lot of thing, finally got it! tonguegre

http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?p=1099206#post1099206 (my original thread)

INSTALL FORCEWARE 100.95 BETA!!

[Jay_Man]

Hi Guys

Also having the same problem... while driving the game is smooth but eveynow and then it getts sticking as if it is loading the rest of the map... While at a dealership when I move from car to car it is extremly sticky...

My sytem is as follows
CPU:250x10, HTT: 250x4 RAM 1:1
AMD X2 3800+ @ 2500MHz
OCZ 2GIG KIT @ DDR500
XFX 8800GTS
ASUS A8N32SLI-Deluxe
Creative X-FI Platunim
Samsung BF940 @ 2MS
Vaporchill Micro CPU cooler
Antec smart power 500watt
Antec P180 Super Advanced Case
3Dmark06 = 8989

[dzidza]

I got it working, had problem with 8800GTS vga, tried lot of thing, finally got it! tonguegre

http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?p=1099206#post1099206 (my original thread)

INSTALL FORCEWARE 100.95 BETA!!


link doesn't work :-(, but i found them elseware

[pjholl2006]

Im actually starting to feel a bit better about my system now.

Still only running an AMD Athlon 3000+
ASUS A7N8X-X nforce 2
GeForce 6600GT
1Gb PC2700
On 800x600 (looks alot better than it sounds), with everything turned off and to minimum, I dont really get any stuttering (I do but it sounds alot like what you guys are getting..frezzing at the same point on the island for a couple of seconds), FPS around 15-25 .....maybe Ill wait before getting my new comp.

PJ

[laragirl83]

link doesn't work :-(, but i found them elseware

copy link then paste in browser address filed :)

it was not the drivers link!
for that, go to www.guru3d.com mdr1

[dzidza]

thx, m8 will try them later

[Weesni]

Mhhh didnt work for me... lolblue:

My sys:
4200+ x2
8800gts
sb x-fi fatality
arock 939 mobo
2GB Corsair VS PC3200 CL3 T2
winxp

[ramdonicee]

had the game for two weeks

and had a 7600gt and it played it fairly well, then i decided is was time for an upgrade

so i sold that and bought a 8800 gts and now i cant play the game at all now, so i'm very ticked off at the moment

have tryed so many drivers

i have both windows xp and vista 64bit both do the same thing

dose anyone know the reason why this game dose not like the card

my rig
amd 939 x2 4600+
2 gig pc3200
300 + 250 gig sata 2
8800 gts

[Weesni]

That is exactly in my case...
Had a 7600gt before and buyed an 8800gts for games like this and now nvidia had bad drivers... sour:

The only thing you can do to make the stutters shorter is to (re)enable Taskmanager Service in XP (Automatic) to let the prefetching work again.
Check also Registry under
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\ PrefetchParameters

that the dword EnablePrefetcher is set to 3!

Like on many tuning sites it was recommened to disable the Taskmanager BUT this makes your bootup slow an also programms that you often use need more time to start!

Also add the line /prefetch:1 to the Tdu icon link "C:\Programme\Atari\Test Drive Unlimited\TestDriveUnlimited.exe" /prefetch:1 as example

This will force to add this Application to be prefetched...

If you test the game you will see no difference at first. But if you drive a little longer you will see that the stutters are much shorter, sometimes even gone...

Sry for my bad english, its not my native language....

[ramdonicee]

thanks for that didn't work for me

could it be power related, not enough amps

[JahJahBonks]

I did install this 100.96 beta driver, but this caused some problems with windows explorer for me, so i tried the 100.87 ones instead, because I believe, according to the description are hacked leadtek 8800GTX drivers, this seemed more suited for me.
After install I have definately had an improvement, with about 80% of the stutter gone, the drivers by the way have to be installed manualy, ie update the existing driver, and not use the setup.exe option.

Also on another note, i have disabled some of the processes running, and this seems to help.

On another note I have also upped the AA to 4x in the nvidia control panel, and set the texture filtering quality to "performance"

Windows XP SP2
Gigabyte GA M55S S3
2x512 Corsair DDR2 (PC6400)
Soundblaster Audigy SE
2x200 Seagate SATA drives
Palit 8800GTS 640mb
AMD 4200 Dual Core AM2

[Johnag4004]

I get the odd bit of stuttering, doesn't really matter where I am, either in the City or in the Country, but it doesn't really bother me that much...

System spec's are...: -

Windows Xp Media Centre
ASUS P5N32-SLI Premium
Intel Core 2 Duo Extreme QX6700 Quad Core
2048MB DDR2 900MHz OCz Memory
768MB nVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX
Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Pro Series
750GB Serial ATA Seagate Hard Drive with 16MB Buffer
22" Iiyama E2200WS

[laragirl83]

I did install this 100.96 beta driver, but this caused some problems with windows explorer for me, so i tried the 100.87 ones instead, because I believe, according to the description are hacked leadtek 8800GTX drivers, this seemed more suited for me.
After install I have definately had an improvement, with about 80% of the stutter gone, the drivers by the way have to be installed manualy, ie update the existing driver, and not use the setup.exe option.

Also on another note, i have disabled some of the processes running, and this seems to help.

On another note I have also upped the AA to 4x in the nvidia control panel, and set the texture filtering quality to "performance"

Windows XP SP2
Gigabyte GA M55S S3
2x512 Corsair DDR2 (PC6400)
Soundblaster Audigy SE
2x200 Seagate SATA drives
Palit 8800GTS 640mb
AMD 4200 Dual Core AM2

like I told, 100.95, both for XP or Vista, thats the version i have tried, and worked :respect:

[sqweak]

Windows XP
ASUS p5B delux wi-fi
EE660 Duo
2x512mb RAM DDR 800
Soundblaster Audigy SE
2 Western Digital SATA HDDs
ASUS 8800GTS.

I have no stuttering at all.
Using
GeForce BETA Drivers 101.41 (from here BETA Drivers (http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_rel70betadriver.html)
I do however have my system cache on my second drive, which I have found increases overall performance of my computer.

[JahJahBonks]

Are'nt the 101.41 beta for vista 32 bit only?
According to the link they are, do these drivers work with XP then?

[sqweak]

Your right, my mistake. I have changed my operating system back from VISTA a week ago. Confusion.
Have 97.92 drivers.

[frovle]

Hi .
Hooked on this game, but lagging and stuttering is destroying the fun.
Same probles as all the others have.

My rigg
P4 3,2
Abit AA8 Intel 925X
1024 DDr2 533
Gainward 8800GTX

[ramdonicee]

i give up going to sell my 8800gts that i got two days ago and buy another 7600gt couz thats what was the card i was using until i got the 8800gts, wish i had not of sold it now, it played the game quite well 1024x768, aa2, hdr off, high detail at 18-27fbs.

i have tried all the drivers i can find, i have xp and vista 64bit, even tryed the card in my brothers machine and dose the same, he has sli 7900gtx and works really well.

i paid 200 quid to upgrade to a better card to play this game as it should be played and i cant even play it at all.

[TDU-RAZOR]

the graphics lag you guys are experiencing are happening in two prime areas the main city area and the top right of the island the rest for myself is fine, the lag is advanced when running in cars that go real fast ie zonda etc...

try and avoid the areas as much as you can...

download my friends tool that backups your profile evey3mins go here...
http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?p=1099878#post1099878

PC SPECS:

Intel E6300
EVGA Nforce 680i
Onboard Realtec Audio
2gb Corsair Value DDR2 (667mhz)
XFX 8800gts (320mb)
Win Xp Sp2/Vista Ultimate dual boot (both op sys have same crash errors)

i run the game full graphics settings @ 1680x1050 res with graphics lag only in areas stated above...

also note

1) you lose your profile if game crashes during a save
2) main crash areas are... city and top right of island
3) sound problems and bad graphics lag are tell tail signs of a crash
4) roll down/up windows if sound bug happens (only delays crash) save asap
5) graphics lag best chance, quit race and save... exit&relaunch (8800series)
6) turn your menu sound off to stop the game loading sound files whilst enter save points on menus ie if you pause or enter map, get into a habbit of entering map very often to save as often as possible...

[Weesni]

Hey ramdonicee dont sell this good card only for this game!
TDU is running better with shorter stutters with the 100.95 drivers and that are only betas! Also i Atari/Eden have to release a patch for the other bugs and then the game will be fine.
Spend your time with playing previous games you maybe have installed too.
Use the new csaa 16x and real hdr together. Also you have dx10 hardware support for future games...

In my case i driving rounds in nfs:mw stutter free with now great graphics and performance. Also F.E.A.R. got a second chance also hl ep1 with now support for the new aa modes, bf2 etc...

The 100.95 from guru3d together with the nhancer 2.2.1

http://www.nhancer.com/?dat=downloads

to make good profiles and fix for aa compat for games like bf2 are a great duo and you had much fun with older games until there is a patch for tdu....

Im right.... or not?

[ramdonicee]

i have F.E.A.R and bf2 fear plays awsome on full, but bf2 stutters as well

just tried it on my dads pc which is a amd2 64 bit duel core 4200+ 80 gig ide hdd x2, 2 gig ddr2 800, ati x1600 agp, and that ran the game on 1024x768, aa2, high and ran it good no stutters, fps was 18-29.

[Weesni]

Strange i got no stutters with 50-80 fps all high, taa & 1280x1024 in bf2... maybe you have less then 2gb mem on your rig....

[ramdonicee]

i have 4x 512mb pc3200 sticks

[ramdonicee]

i have sorted bf2 i had not patched it, i thought i had so the only game i have and cant play is test drive unlimited and since i've had vista 64bit i cant play toca race driver 3.

[ramdonicee]

this game is going in the bin tomorrow and i'm never going to buy another atari game again

this game damages the nvidia's driver files

[jwbourne01]

thanks for that didn't work for me

could it be power related, not enough amps

sorry for the late reply but i have a friend who has got a 1000watt power supply and he still suffers the same problems as everyone else :(, i dunno why he needs taht much power though :mefiant:

[Me-Wanderer]

Reporting in...

My System is
Motherboard - Albatron K8SLI
CPU - AMD Athlon64 4000+ (2412.519 MHz)
Ram - 2GB A-data DDR400
PSU - Enermax Liberty 620w
Graphics Card - Gigabyte Geforce 8800GTS
OS - Vista Ultimate

If you suffer serve stuttering lag (at high speeds, etc) with a Geforce 8800 then please reply to this thread with your system specs, most noteable your Processor (AMD,Intel?) and RAM Size..

[Obisss]

I have the same stuttering issues. They occur in the exact same areas of the game all the time. If I drive through a "stutter" and turn around and drive through it agian I get the stutter again. The game is playable but stuttering drives me nuts. the stuttering is exactly the same with settings at max and as it is at min.
Can someone at Atari or Nvidia confirm that they are working on a fix for this?!?!

A64 3700+ @2.7Ghz
1gig OCZ 2-2-2-5
8800GTS 320MB
WinXP pro SP2
Asus A8N-E
Xbox360 wired controller

[Omega-sbs]

I have the Nvidia 8800 GTS Superclocked card and i used to glitch and stutter when i first installed it but when i change my PSU to a higher wattage one it all went away.


My Spec:
Intel motherboard
P4 3.0ghz with HT
150gb HD
Nvidia 320 mb 8800 gts Super clocked
1gig *generic ram*
WinXP pro SP2
Xbox360 wired controller
:atari:

[Weesni]

Your stutter really went away only by changing to a better psu???
Btw. what forceware you use?

[doctorgreen]

From what ive read is that the game cannot utilize full power of the 8800 without having a super computer to back it?!? I feel cheated

I spend so much on a card that I wouldve thought there be no more issues like this but Atari proved me wrong in a BIG way.

And you nuts to sell your 8800 just because of Atari. No man!!

[Weesni]

Mhhhh....
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. got a new patch today and was released few days ago...
They fixed 68 bugs!

Ehm Atari whats with you?
Whats with the 1.2 Crashday patch ? ^^
Whats with TDU & 8800gts/x ?

Sry for offtopic...

[ramdonicee]

i didn't sell it in the end just bought a cheapy ati x1600 pro until they sort it out, then i can use my 8800gts again.

i know a ati i hate them but the game was coded for ati not nvidia

[fourdee4d]

I wanted to make one thread about this for the people with NVidia 8800 GTX's or GTS.
Quite a few people have reported stuttering lag with this card, but without the card the game runs much better...

If you suffer serve stuttering lag (at high speeds, etc) with a Geforce 8800 then please reply to this thread with your system specs, most noteable your Processor (AMD,Intel?) and RAM Size..

If you don't own a NVidia Geforce 8800 please do not post in this thread!!

My specs:

AMD X2 Dual Core 4200 @ 2.4GHz
NVidia Geforce 8800 GTX (97.92 drivers)
2GB Corsair PC3200 RAM.
Asus-A8N-Premium MB
Windows XP Professional

Got a 8800GTS 320mb "superclocked" EVGA one.

620w PSU and core2 duo, 2gb 800mhz OCZ ram.

I get stuttering mainly in the city area driving at high speeds. Its more when playing online and using freeroam.

Its not by any means unplayable, but yeah, i do notice some issues with the choppy bits now and again. Also worth noting that i get some of the trees in background flashing white and disappearing. This is more likely to do with the gfx driver tho?

The worst bug is the sound poping and failing on a X:FI soundcard. Because of the games compression on sound, near enough deafens me. Slightly offtopic but had to be said :(

[mr_greedy]

Was using my Radeon X700 fine (albeit at 800x600), smooth as silk. Upgraded to a 8800GTS today and although I can run the again smoothly at resolutions of 1280x1024 and above, I get the stuttering problems.

It seems to be when anything on the screen changes majorly. Say when a car comes into view, or a new building. Most annoying.

For the record, Just Cause, Total Annihilation, pretty much everything I've tried DOESN'T exhibit this behaviour.

Looks like we need a patch from Atari, drivers from nVidia, or someway to turn off whatever's causing the problem on these cards.

Does TDU have any config files we can play around with?

Stats:
AMD Dual Core 5000+
2 gig RAM
939 mobo.
Onboard sound.

[ewok666]

Mhhhh....
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. got a new patch today and was released few days ago...
They fixed 68 bugs!

Ehm Atari whats with you?
Whats with the 1.2 Crashday patch ? ^^
Whats with TDU & 8800gts/x ?

Sry for offtopic...

Yes AND the retarded developers of Stalker thought it was a good idea to break game saves.....so you get to start from scratch after patching Stalker.

That's what I call impressive!

[seppov1ch]

hi to all!
i just registered to say: last week my (very expensive) PNY 8800GTX arrived. i removed my XFX7800GT (yes i´m a freak).
first i tried WoW -very smoothe; tried s.t.a.l.k.e.r. -very smoothe everything maxed out; ArmA - smoothe.; then i tried TDU - every time new objects are drawn (traffic, buildings etc) stutter-lag!
with my 7800 b4 NO problems (except the little stutter if you entre a new map on the map ;))
tried everything. e.g. bios setting PEG-Link; removed soundcard etc...
nothing helped. i´m using the latest whql-drivers from nvidia cause i´m not in the mood to try 1.000 different drivers.
i also tried setting everything to low/off in the drivers menue but didn´t help.

the rest of my computer
ASUS A8N32 SLI-DX with AMD3500 singlecore; Corshair DDR400-RAM; X-FI ELITE PRO; LOGITECH G25 wheel; 2 ide hdd; 2 sata hdd; 500W PSU (don´t remember the name but its named)

didn´t play tdu until this change :(

[mr_greedy]

Without going through the whole thread again, am I right in thinking that this only happens with AMD processor machines?

[jwbourne01]

nope even intel processors get this problem and i have tried everything from the 'celeron d' to the 'intel quadro extreme' with no improvement, next i ahve got to try about 6 amd processors :(

[johnpmiles]

I've found it's a driver thing with my 8800GTS. The 97.92s work well but wig out on other games such as Il-2, and the 97.95s work for other games but stutter very badly in TDU.

After trying just about every driver out there for the 8-series, I've settled on the 100.87 betas. They eliminate a lot of the stutters and make the game much more playable. There are less artefacts/corruptions too. HDR+4xAA looks fantastic on my PC.

[Weesni]

Next week should come new driver for nvidia cards, lets see....

[famin185]

Good point, Do we have any NVidia 8800 owners here running with a single core CPU who have stutter problems ?

Yes mine:
AMD 64 3200+
Kingston 2*512 pc4200
PNY 8800GTS 320mb

[seppov1ch]

...
After trying just about every driver out there for the 8-series, I've settled on the 100.87 betas. They eliminate a lot of the stutters ...

does it remove every stutter in tdu? today i have time to play and i do not like to change the graka just for 1 game :/ :o

[maxmekker]

My specs as follows:

Asus P5b
Intel Core2duo E6300 1,8Ghz@2,240ghz
XFX GeForce 8800GTS 320mb XXX 580/900@620/990
Hiper 530W
Kingston HyperX DDR2 6400 800mhz 1024mb
Samsung spinpoint 250 sata
Xp home

I’m also experiencing lag/stutter every 30’Th second ore so I would guess. I’ve only had the game 4 a week. And the hardware is a month old. I Had a look at it on a dell with a 7900 gts(and amd cpu I think) card before I bought it, and played 4 about 10-15 minutes, no lag at all.
No steering wheel 1024/768 hdr off and aa x2.

[johnpmiles]

does it remove every stutter in tdu? today i have time to play and i do not like to change the graka just for 1 game :/ :o

The 100.87s don't eliminate every last stutter, but for my system they seem to remove about 80-90 percent of them. So TDU is still not perfect, but it is much closer to being smooth. It's a shame, because when the game doesn't stutter, it's very nice and fluid.

[ugurz]

My system Amd 4200+ / 2gb Ram / Gigabyte 8800 GTS (640mb) everything's run normally except the view after 10-15 min the cam is starting to shake the normal cars is starting to fly/crash as you see in the picture :)
do you know the problem :hin:
(sorry about my english:( )
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8066/resizeofgarip2eg7.png (http://imageshack.us)

[famin185]

My system Amd 4200+ / 2gb Ram / Gigabyte 8800 GTS (640mb) everything's run normally except the view after 10-15 min the cam is starting to shake the normal cars is starting to fly/crash as you see in the picture :)
do you know the problem :hin:
(sorry about my english:( )
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8066/resizeofgarip2eg7.png (http://imageshack.us)

Is this a joke??

[ewok666]

Is this a joke??

No, I'd say he;s using a cracked version and that's why that happens.....

[ewok666]

I just downloaded the latest 101.02 drivers. Sadly I must report that they make NO difference. The stuttering is still there.

I'd like to see an official response from Atari on this. The 8800 series is a supported graphics card. Does NO ONE at Atari have one of these to test with????

[mr_greedy]

This is getting as annoying as hell.

Heh. This game was one of the only reasons I upgraded my PC :P

[ugurz]

i'm not using cracked version of this game. I preordered orginal game from sendit in 25 feb. i bought 8800 GTS just for this game but i think i made a mistake... It's just a game there is nothing more... i hope atari will solve this kind of problems

[Scorpius_SWE]

I think the biggest problem lies in the nvidia drivers, not the game

[ewok666]

I think the biggest problem lies in the nvidia drivers, not the game

Could be....but Atari should have picked this up during testing!

Anyway, I'd rather play the buggy version than not play at all....

Cheers

[seppov1ch]

... I'd rather play the buggy version than not play at all....

Cheers

nowai! playing b4 with my 7800gt everything was silky smoothe. cannot play anymore, really waiting for a fix! damn :nono:

[TDU-RAZOR]

i think its the combination of both required

Game Patch & drivers

Both the game and the 8800 Series card have been released to early i think

[seppov1ch]

can it really be the lack of psu-power?
i mean, silenthunter 4 runs as hell, wow with everything maxed out silky smooothe, bf2/ArmA runs superb.

...

[MacBooom]

few of my clanm8's just installed some of the newest beta's on their 8800GTX's

for XP 32bit the 101.02, and stuttering is gone
link to Guru3D and the 101.02 driver (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1609)

the other for XP X64 the 100.95 wich i modded nv4_disp.inf to make it comaptible with the GTX's and for that one the stuttering is gone to.
link to Guru3D and the 100.95 X64 driver (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1602)
link to modded INF for 8800 GTX/GTS (http://www.dutchfightclub.nl/datas/users/1-modded%20inf%20for%208800gtx%20gts%20100.95%20x64% 20driver.rar)
just put the modded inf files in the extracted folder and start installing
if you get a message "nvucode.bin" that cant be found, look in the map where you extracted for a file called nvucode.bi and rename it to "nvucode.bin" and the driver should install properly


these are beta drivers, so there is no support from nvidia on these drivers

always uninstall your old driver, and restart before starting to install the new driver, is for best performance

the best is installing these drivers the old way:
> Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager > Display Adapters > your graphics card > Driver > and hit Update


the crash to desktop is gone for both of them and the game seems to run normal, as far as you can call it normal with the other bugs :wink2:

i'm running the 101.02 on my own rig with a 7950GX2, and they run very smooth mdr1

[seppov1ch]

thank you m8, i wait for the official drivers. i read they should come this week. it´s a step in the right direction though.

[ewok666]

[QUOTE=MacBooom]few of my clanm8's just installed some of the newest beta's on their 8800GTX's

for XP 32bit the 101.02, and stuttering is gone
link to Guru3D and the 101.02 driver (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1609)

Sorry but that's not true...at least not on my PC

[pjholl2006]

Just to let u know...

Im using the EVGA 8800GTS 320Mb superclocked, Ive tried 101.02, 100.87, 100.95, 97.95.....they all stutter.
The game is now entirely playable compared to my old 6600GT, which was ridiculous, but the problem hasnt completely gone.

E6600
450W PSU
Asus P5B
2Gb XMS2 PC6400

[ugurz]

Video Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS7pRl9DDT8)

That's my problem. I'm not using the beta version but my problem is same... Flying Cars :mad: madred:

[silverthunder77]

Hi guys I've just registered to post in this forum as I wanted to discuss the lag/stuttering problem of this (potentially) fantastic game.

My CFG:

Intel C2D E6600 @ 3.51GHz
2 GB Ram DDR2 @780MHz 3-3-3-8
BFG GeForce 8800 GTX @650/480
SB X-Fi Fatal1ty PCI
Ageia P1 Asus
WD Raptor 74GB (where the game is installed)

Swapfile set to AUTO size in C:
Drivers 100.87 beta forceware
Audio drivers 2.09

The game runs very smooth with 100.87, better than 97.92, but it was perfectly playable also with the older drivers mentioned... I haven't tried yet with 101.02 because the only issue with stuttering is when the game has to load bot cars (not normal traffic cars but the models of bot cars that are way more in quantity and quality); does the 101.02 resolve this problem?

I think that the base of the issues is the xbox porting, because the console has way less ram available than a pc it's obvious that the game must access frequently to the dvd; in the pc case it's the hard drive that is called very often and this could be the reason of stuttering... I think that drivers are way less important and to resolve this problem we all need a patch from Atari that will make more use of the ram as a buffer than the hard drive. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure that my 10000rpm sata hdd helps a lot, as it sports a seek time a half better than 7200rpm disks.

[magicians]

When I drive really fast I end up hitting cars,probably Police ones that I havnt even seen! Is this part of a 8800 graphics card problem or some other random problem? rolleyesa

[silverthunder77]

Seems strange to me, never had such a bad clipping issue like that but it could be your cfg, please post it so we can evaluate possible causes better...

[Weesni]

@silverthunder77

Maybe the stutters are an atari problem too but all that i/we know that the stutters wasnt there with my 7600gt as example.
On gf8800 cards its there.
So maybe there is a full fix via the new nvidia drivers that should come this week or a patch for tdu too...
Its really not that kind of stuttering like on other games that loads worlddata in realtime.
I believe you that your hd already reduce the scenery loading sometimes to zero because on my rig the npc car stutter is longer/heavier...

So all we can do is hope for a patch and/or nvidia driver and play something like stalker meanwhile...
In my case i only begin this game without the terrible stutters.

All in all Atari released a game between beta and gold and also nvidia has bad g80 drivers or cards....

[silverthunder77]

I haven't seen it running on any nvidia card but the 8800gtx so I have to believe in your experiences... I think that maybe the little stutter with bot cars should appear on all kind of systems and video cards, am I wrong?

If so nvidia must resolve this issue fast, but I'm quite in doubt 'cause the hystorical bug with Call of Juarez shadows is still there after months...

Maybe the problem is due to the strange amount of vram of the 800gtx and gts, probably game engines are optimized for 256 or 512 megs of vram... so it could be better if nvidia implemented immediately 1GB of vram and 512bits bus, what do you think?

[magicians]

My System is CPU - Duel Core 6600 @ 2.40GhZ 2.40GHZ with 4GB Ram & Geforce 8800GTX OC 768MB graphics card!

Not sure if it does it offline as I havnt really played it offline it manly happens when playing online.Im only guessing its police cars as they r normally in pursuit when it happens!

[Weesni]

Mhhh youre right the vid mem got a strange size complained to other cards before... But there also must be more faults in this card, as example the appearing of the hl2 fog bug. Hope any driver ever can fix this things not that there is a hardware bug in all g80s weirdblue

[ewok666]

I think that the base of the issues is the xbox porting, because the console has way less ram available than a pc it's obvious that the game must access frequently to the dvd; in the pc case it's the hard drive that is called very often and this could be the reason of stuttering... I think that drivers are way less important and to resolve this problem we all need a patch from Atari that will make more use of the ram as a buffer than the hard drive. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure that my 10000rpm sata hdd helps a lot, as it sports a seek time a half better than 7200rpm disks.

I had no stuttering on my system with a 7800 GTX. Couldn't do much more than 1680x1050 without HDR and without AA, though. Now I have a GTS 640MB and it stutters every once in a while....no matter what resolution. It must be the 8800 or a comination of 8800 and TDU.

The 101.02 drivers did not fix this issue BTW.

Cheers

[seppov1ch]

I had no stuttering on my system with a 7800 GTX. ... Now I have a GTS 640MB and it stutters every once in a while....no matter what resolution. It must be the 8800 or a comination of 8800 and TDU.

...

Cheers

... then i tried TDU - every time new objects are drawn (traffic, buildings etc) stutter-lag!
with my 7800 b4 NO problems (except the little stutter if you entre a new map on the map ;))
tried everything. e.g. bios setting PEG-Link; removed soundcard etc...
nothing helped. ...

same problem. -every other game runs smooth

[TDU-RAZOR]

8800 series cards - play without the lag, at a cost of...

download these drivers and turn the aa off and hdr off, ok its not what we all got the 8800 for to start reducing graphical features so your choices are

lag with full graphics or lose a tad and dont lag.... works for me but i know sum say they have tried it, but did you turn the aa and hdr off >????

http://downloads.guru3d.com/ (driver forceware version - 101.02)



my specs:

680i m/board
2gig ram
8800 gts
realtek onboard sound

[Firebeast]

LOL this is sooo funny heres my little PC

AMD Athlon 3000+ 754pin
1.5mb Ram
Geforce 7600GT

As you can see noughing compared to what most of you guys have. Funny thing is mine is running smooth as hell and looks amazing. Will i be able to play Alan Wake later in the year compared to you guys who will be, no i will not.

But for TDU i am loving it. :laugh:

[Fluxx]

Does NO ONE at Atari have one of these to test with????

No one can afford one........ eekblue:

Im not laying the blame at Nvidia's door, but there certainly seems to be an 8800/driver issue...... :noooo:

I know theres a patch in the works and I'd imagine new drivers are just around the corner too....... :respect:

[famin185]

8800 series cards - play without the lag, at a cost of...

download these drivers and turn the aa off and hdr off, ok its not what we all got the 8800 for to start reducing graphical features so your choices are

lag with full graphics or lose a tad and dont lag.... works for me but i know sum say they have tried it, but did you turn the aa and hdr off >????

http://downloads.guru3d.com/ (driver forceware version - 101.02)



my specs:

680i m/board
2gig ram
8800 gts
realtek onboard sound

Yes we did and no help... sour:

[seppov1ch]

LOL this is sooo funny heres my little PC

AMD Athlon 3000+ 754pin
1.5mb Ram
Geforce 7600GT

... :laugh:

(Only G8800 owners) so do not spam :nono:

Its not spamming, just trying to say that by rights you guys should be able to run this game with ease. As i have said your pc will run Alan Wake easily an i will not be able to so in the end you guys win... i lose :mefiant:

read every post before. the game ran b4. its a problem with the 8800 and/or driver and/or the game...

[Firebeast]

Its not spamming, just trying to say that by rights you guys should be able to run this game with ease. As i have said your pc will run Alan Wake easily an i will not be able to so in the end you guys win... i lose :mefiant:

(Only G8800 owners) so do not spam :nono:

[devablue]

I'm able to play tdu at 1920x1200 and all max details with hdr and aa and only get the odd stutter now and then and i'm using vista too, so yes the games not perfect and for sure needs a patch (just like most new games) but it's totaly playable at max details with my 8800gtx and the stutter is not a big deal, i don't think it's affected my tdu gaming.
I do have the fog problem(long distances) in css but thats easily overcome by shooting anything that moves dark: .
All these little niggles with drivers and patches will be sorted out in time i'm sure, just a little patience needed and all will be good.

[famin185]

I'm able to play tdu at 1920x1200 and all max details with hdr and aa and only get the odd stutter now and then and i'm using vista too, so yes the games not perfect and for sure needs a patch (just like most new games) but it's totaly playable at max details with my 8800gtx and the stutter is not a big deal, i don't think it's affected my tdu gaming.
I do have the fog problem(long distances) in css but thats easily overcome by shooting anything that moves dark: .
All these little niggles with drivers and patches will be sorted out in time i'm sure, just a little patience needed and all will be good.

Not sure. First stutter ruined the game completely, second some more attractive games (for example GT5 on ps3) may come out before patches for this so my money (both on 8800 and TDU) would be totally wasted. And yes I bought 8800 only for this game....

[devablue]

Not sure. First stutter ruined the game completely, second some more attractive games (for example GT5 on ps3) may come out before patches for this so my money (both on 8800 and TDU) would be totally wasted. And yes I bought 8800 only for this game....

But this game is not even dx10, why would you buy a 8800 for this game, i bought one so i can play crysis in all its glory and tdu is just a stop gap, and are you saying you've got a ps3 too, are you made of money or something?. I personally had a xbox360 which i bought for gears of war but having played the game i sold the xbox and games and used money for 8800gtx and i've not looked back since. :)

[chronic1985]

hi i have just bought this game and my specs are:

MSI 8800 GTX 768mb
Intel core 2 duo E6400@3.48ghz watercooled
1024mb GeIL PC6400 870MHz
Asus P5B deluxe mobo
600w artic PSU
300GB sata II

my question is how bad is your lag. because so far i haven't experienced anything out of the ordinary (touch wood). i get a slight pause when i first enter the map but its about a microsecond pause, and sometimes when the server connects and the cars are loaded onto the map. but it doesn't ruin my game at all. i've drove in all sorts of cars around the map at high speed to try and see if there are any problems.

forgot to add i am running on windows xp. in game settings are everything maxed out, HDR, res of 1440x900 (LCD), 4xAA, haven't enabled AF yet cos its not in the game options and can't be bothered to make a profile for it.

[Cheesetastic]

8800 gts
Dual Core Pentium
2GB ddr2
700 Watt psu
Vista Home Premium
1 TB Storage
30" Dell.....Wideboy

I've completed tdu 3 times to ace level on the 360,so thought I'd try it on PC.

8800 can produce spot on graphics with extra touches compared to the 360.

I too get the odd graphics stall, but not often.

What has annoyed me is losing cash on trade when buying cars.

You raise so much...then only lose it....cheers.

Looks like the game is destined for my heavy duty shredder, rather than inflicting the same misery on some poor sod who'd buy it from me on e-bay.

So its back to the 360 for me. Its not bug free, but better than this.

Gamertag: CheeseEmporium

[chronic1985]

one thing i did notice today was if i enabled aa and af through my nvidia control panel i would get a lot of stuttering within the game. i then had difficulty turning them back off. but when aa was enabled within the game and af was switched of i don't get the stutter.

[Firebeast]

OMG.... that is the funniest thing i have EVER seen, LOFL! i cant stop laughing

My system Amd 4200+ / 2gb Ram / Gigabyte 8800 GTS (640mb) everything's run normally except the view after 10-15 min the cam is starting to shake the normal cars is starting to fly/crash as you see in the picture :)
do you know the problem :hin:
(sorry about my english:( )
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8066/resizeofgarip2eg7.png (http://imageshack.us)

[seppov1ch]

i´m @ work right now so i cannot test... but dx9 apr. is out http://tinyurl.com/ml86p
could someone see if it eliminates the stuttering?

[Cheesetastic]

OMG.... that is the funniest thing i have EVER seen, LOFL! i cant stop laughing

Nice to see it amuses you. Maybe if you go and buy yourself an 8800 card, you too can fly.

This thread was set up to help. It is clear that this issue frustrates the hell out of a lot of 8800 owners.

I am periodically checking to see if a patch is released... but for now I am using the 360

BTW You're spamming again.

[Me-Wanderer]

Hate to say this, but that page says:

DirectX End-User Runtimes (April 2006) Full Download

Either Microsoft have copied and pasted the 2006 page over to 2007, or someone else got it wrong..

i´m @ work right now so i cannot test... but dx9 apr. is out http://tinyurl.com/ml86p
could someone see if it eliminates the stuttering?

[seppov1ch]

read this thread http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=220091

[Firebeast]

I made a topic about getting this car http://www.myhotcars.com/used-cars.php?id=7c44e23b5881c433255586352de178d1 into the game, but i see it is allready in, LOL

I so sorry dude, it just looks so funny, i am sure had it been me who had the 8800 card then i would aslo be upset.

So for consolation look at it this way, i dont have a 8800 card but only a crappy 7600GT. You win i lose.

Nice to see it amuses you. Maybe if you go and buy yourself an 8800 card, you too can fly.

This thread was set up to help. It is clear that this issue frustrates the hell out of a lot of 8800 owners.

I am periodically checking to see if a patch is released... but for now I am using the 360

BTW You're spamming again.

[ewok666]

i´m @ work right now so i cannot test... but dx9 apr. is out http://tinyurl.com/ml86p
could someone see if it eliminates the stuttering?

Good job ;-) That's April 2006....

[shaggydug]

Got this game yesterday and guess what! stutter, stutter, stutter. At first i thought it was the hard drive but it seems by this thread that i'm not alone.
Thats what i get for buying a new 8800gts i suppose...
I dont think i will play it again until a patch or driver is released to resolve this.

All my other games run fine.
My Sytem Specs:
Win XP pro
AMD X2 Dual Core 4200
2gb 3200 Ram
BFG 8800 gts 640MB + 97.92 Drivers
Audigy soundcard
ASRock 939 Dual sata II MB

[seppov1ch]

Good job ;-) That's April 2006....

ty. does it remove the stutter?

in case you don´t have the original windows http://rapidshare.com/files/24389765/directx_apr2007_redist.exe.html

[Weesni]

The DX from April 07 changes nothing for Tdu but fixes some things on other 3d apps.
Install recommened...

[chronic1985]

has someone got a video of the stuttering? does it affect mainly GTS users.

[reflexred]

...just installed the 101.02 beta...

it does not resolve the stuttering on my system
but it does significantly raise my frame rate within TDU (like about 25%, I would say)

the higher fps has at least the effect, that the stuttering is, let's say, a little bit 'milder'...

well, to me this is better than nothing...

system
amd 64 3500+
xfx 8800 gts
2 gb ram

settings
1680x1050
details high
hdr on
anti aliasing 2x

[Weesni]

http://rapidshare.com/files/24483176/TestDriveUnlimited_2007-04-05_18-17-03-23.avi.html

Here is a little video of the stuttering...

Im using the 101.02 betas...

My sys:
4200+ x2
8800gts
sb x-fi fatality
arock 939 mobo
2GB Corsair VS PC3200 CL3 T1
winxp

[famin185]

But this game is not even dx10, why would you buy a 8800 for this game, i bought one so i can play crysis in all its glory and tdu is just a stop gap, and are you saying you've got a ps3 too, are you made of money or something?. I personally had a xbox360 which i bought for gears of war but having played the game i sold the xbox and games and used money for 8800gtx and i've not looked back since. :)

Hope I were made of money.... Maybe I'm not clear enough. I bought 8800 Now and not 3 months later after crysis and other dx10 games coming out because of TDU. Do you agree after 3 months this card would be 20% cheaper than now? I don't have a ps3 yet, but pretty sure I'll get one for GT5, just as I got a ps2 only for GT4...

[JackalHead]

I have had the stuttering from the beginning.
At some point, I started getting real low fps, about 1 frame per 3 secs. It turned out to be the AA, which from that point couldn't be enabled at the same time as HDR anymore. I then set the game to no AA, HDR enabled and set all the driver settings to maximum quality for TDU. It then ran much smoother than before and the stutterings became less frequent and "milder", it even looked better. At some specific points on the map, the stutters are still quite severe, but overall it's much more playable. specialdri
After a driver reïnstall AA worked again in TDU, even wit HDR enabled but I still use the controll panel settings but with AA at 8xQ and AF at 8 x, the extra framerate helps a bit with the stutters.

[ewok666]

There are new FINAL drivers from Nvidia: 97.94 released 05 April 2007

I'm donwloading them now and will test ASAP.....

[Weesni]

97.94 dont reduce/kill stutters....

[ewok666]

97.94 dont reduce/kill stutters....

Yes, just found out the same thing....

[seppov1ch]

i think it´s a game-related problem. it cannot handle the g80 correctly right now. every other game (even complex simulations) run very smooth under vista & xp :(
we want a statement :atari:

[chronic1985]

i just wanna know if a patch is in the works cos knowing that there might not be really bugs the hell out of me.

[Fluxx]

Yes, theres a patch in the work........... :respect:

[magicians]

Today im seeing computer controlled traffic hitting invisible traffic :(

[scharger]

First of all, sorry for the off, 8800 owners... I have a 6600GT, and by what you describe, I am having the exact same problem. The game stutters for a few seconds, like it was loading, but there is actually zero HDD activity. Tried the beta drivers linked earlier, tried older drivers, even tried a 64-bit XP, absolutely no change.

Yesterday, I gave it a try, and disconnected my USB FF wheel, and tried it with the keys, and the stuttering was all gone. A place I could always reproduce the stutter is the "B.-something Loop" timetrial in the northeast. It always came even before I completed the first lap, mostly in the shadowy tight right bend, and from the keyboard, I've driven the 2 laps 100% stutter-free.

So I thought, since 8800 owners are probably quite well financially, they might also have some nice USB wheel or pad as well... so, do you? If you do, could you give it a try with just keys for driving? (I know you didnt have stutter with your old card, but maybe it's a combination of HW that it takes.... also, remember, there might be a lot 8800 owners out there, who have no problems at all, so they don't bother searching through forums.)

[shaggydug]

I started playing the game with just the keyboard as i didn't have time to look out my logitech momo racing wheel and the game was stuttering badly (i have a 8800 gts). Once i connected my wheel the stuttering was just the same, so from my experience playing with the keyboard made no difference.
The stuttering is really bad in the built up city area making some of the races impossible. When i go to the east of the island the stuttering is reduced to nearly nil. I still think this has somthing to do with the game loading textures from the hard drive. I just hope the patch comes out soon.

[ewok666]

I started playing the game with just the keyboard as i didn't have time to look out my logitech momo racing wheel and the game was stuttering badly (i have a 8800 gts). Once i connected my wheel the stuttering was just the same, so from my experience playing with the keyboard made no difference.

Prett sure I got the same thing when I tried without the USB wheel. I just removed ALL PCI cards and went to a single SATA disk. The stuttering was still there but much better. However, that is most likely due to the defrag and NOT the PCI cards......unfortunately.

[seppov1ch]

Prett sure I got the same thing when I tried without the USB wheel. I just removed ALL PCI cards and went to a single SATA disk. The stuttering was still there but much better. However, that is most likely due to the defrag and NOT the PCI cards......unfortunately.

same thing i´ve done.

[scharger]

Thanks for the feedback, anyways...
I still think it isn't a loading issue... some shadow-rendering+caching thing, or bush generating is, what im thinking of. If it would be swapping, i wouldn't have any problem(no swapfile), and any scenery loading of this intensity to freeze the computer would mean visible and audible HD activity, imho.

I don't know whom we should hope the fix from, either, but I think it's more likely an Eden-games issue.

[jimscreechy]

This is not stuttering! This is freeze frame video. Once I get to the point of choosing a driver I get this issue. Even the mouse is on 'Go-slow' moving once every 2 seconds.

When Its time to drive, the car is ok, but after two or three seconds... forget it! One frame per 3 seconds. It's like watching time-lapse photography: Totally unplayable.

I have tried no fixes yet but will try this forceware 101.whatever tonight and if that fails I am using the game as a coaster!

My rig
2GB Kingston
Raid 5 on 4x250gb seagate barracuda
Dual core AMD Opteron 175
Asus geforce 8800gtx
MB asus A8N5X
madred:

[Teddie1969]

I've got a 8800GTS.

The game basically runs great for me, except for what other 8800 owners have stated. The stutter when loading scenery.

It happens to me when trees are loaded in the distance.
It happens when the name of the area shows up in the upper right hand of the screen.

One thing I noticed is that sometimes the trees in the background look like their alpha blending smoothly as they are loaded into view. (I'm not sure if I'm remembering this incorrectly). When it "alpha blends" into view I don't have any stutter.... It only stutters when the trees come into view like "BAM!, hello we're trees, did we scare you?"

[killall]

Got a MSI 975x powerup edition with 2 gigs of corsair pc6400c4, E6600 core2duo, Audigy 2 zs 5.1 setup, and a GF 8800 gtx, no ocing.
It runs GREAT with nv 101.02 (also 97.92 but bit less fps) drivers. The actuall fps is very good (running max settings, HDR + 16xAA, 16xAF, 1280x960), but i do have like a micro stutter when i drive into a new town. But thats normal i think since the game to load alot at once. But actual gameplay stutter i have none.
I know this prolly wont help anyone, just wanted to say i dont have such bad performance or stuttering.. also using a momo wheel. This game is VERY demanding of your pc so if sumething is not right on that end this game wont run good.

[famin185]

Got a MSI 975x powerup edition with 2 gigs of corsair pc6400c4, E6600 core2duo, Audigy 2 zs 5.1 setup, and a GF 8800 gtx, no ocing.
It runs GREAT with nv 101.02 (also 97.92 but bit less fps) drivers. The actuall fps is very good (running max settings, HDR + 16xAA, 16xAF, 1280x960), but i do have like a micro stutter when i drive into a new town. But thats normal i think since the game to load alot at once. But actual gameplay stutter i have none.
I know this prolly wont help anyone, just wanted to say i dont have such bad performance or stuttering.. also using a momo wheel. This game is VERY demanding of your pc so if sumething is not right on that end this game wont run good.

No. As others pointed out, "very demanding" can not explain why we don't see stutters on 7600 but on 8800.

[fasttasf]

Let me ask a seemingly odd question, has anyone who's got a geforce 8800 playing with keyboard NOT got any issue with the game? Plus, I think when you report your problem, it's worth it if you could say what operating system you are using, xp or vista (because dx9 and dx10 are very different). I am thinking of buying 2 gf8800 cards (not only for this game) and enable SLI, I want to know if there's anyone playing TDU on Vista 64bit with gf8800 that doesn't have problem. Also, how much power do I need to drive everything in my computer? I know the 8800 is pretty hungry on power.

By the way, I am playing TDU (res: 800x600, no AA, no HDR) with two gf6600GT on vista 64bit, 4GB PC3200 RAM running at a modest 333MHz. The game is very smooth and there's no stuttering at anytime, I suspect the size of your RAM is very important, any game I play, the hard disk or DVD rom is rarely accessed, my 4GB RAM swallows everything.

[fasttasf]

http://rapidshare.com/files/24483176/TestDriveUnlimited_2007-04-05_18-17-03-23.avi.html

Here is a little video of the stuttering...

Im using the 101.02 betas...

My sys:
4200+ x2
8800gts
sb x-fi fatality
arock 939 mobo
2GB Corsair VS PC3200 CL3 T1
winxp

The more I look at your video, the more I'm convinced that this is actually an XP issue. I used to play need for speed most wanted (racing game) on xp, everything smooth, but at certain location on the map, the game always stutters when entering a scene, now I play the same game on vista 64bit, no hardware change, the problem is gone. Maybe the way XP organise file/memory access that is causing the problem.

[ewok666]

The more I look at your video, the more I'm convinced that this is actually an XP issue. I used to play need for speed most wanted (racing game) on xp, everything smooth, but at certain location on the map, the game always stutters when entering a scene, now I play the same game on vista 64bit, no hardware change, the problem is gone. Maybe the way XP organise file/memory access that is causing the problem.

Then WHY does this happen on 8800 cards and not on others. I used to have a 7800 and it was fine...slower overall but fine!

[TDU-RAZOR]

the 8800 cards are designed totally different to other GPUs mate

the way they render and the lot is totally different

[ewok666]

the 8800 cards are designed totally different to other GPUs mate

the way they render and the lot is totally different

My question was in response to this wild theory that the whole thing is caused by Windows XP ;-)

[seppov1ch]

yesterday i went from xp sp2 to vista ultimate 64. today i have time to try tdu. - i will report if the stuttering is gone...

[killall]

No. As others pointed out, "very demanding" can not explain why we don't see stutters on 7600 but on 8800.

Like i said i dont have many or any.. i havn't read through the whole thread, i assume u tested it with quality at low on both cards..? This bugg prolly is very real and i hope it gets sorted soon (amongst other things).

[mr_greedy]

I'm on Vista 32bit edition and the stuttering is there.

Playing the game without using keys also makes no difference.

[firefox007]

Every card is stuttering i myself using a 8800 gts (640mb)....stutters
i used a 7900 gt ...stutters
my wifes comp a 6800 gt...stutters
the game looks nice but its more garbage than playable
We all are waiting for the patch to come......waiting...waiting....waiting....zzzzzzzz zzzz heeeeee yess crysis is out bye bye tdu

[fasttasf]

Then WHY does this happen on 8800 cards and not on others. I used to have a 7800 and it was fine...slower overall but fine!

Geforce8800 (G80) is the world's first graphics card that uses unified shader blocks (or something like that) which abandons the traditional method of allocating designated size for different shader types which makes some game fantastic and others unplayable. This is supposed to push the performance of graphics cards to a new level (much more than the leap from the 6 series to the 7 series), one 8800GTX is as powerful as two 7900gtx SLI enabled. If you think 8800 is bad, than do a bit of research about what ATI is doing, they are going to produce the next generation cards based on the same unified shader concept, infact both ATI and Nvidia have been trying to be the first to produce cards with this architecture for sometime, so you shouldn't be surprised that future graphics cards are all going to be like G80. That is to say, Atari has to adapt their gaming software algorithms to fully utilise the potential of the hardware, not the other way round. I am totally getting a 8800GTX, because you will no longer be able to play future games with acceptable quality using older cards. You can wait until the price drops, but my instinct is instead of dropping the price for the 8800gtx/gts, nvidia will simply introduce some entry level cards which cost less.

[peterhenriques]

I have:

Asus Striker Extreme
XFX 8800GTX XXX
Kingston Hyperx DDR2 6400 2GB
Corsair HW620 Power Supply
Tuniq Tower 120 Cooler

WTF..... I can play all the games to the max and this one even if I choose 1024x768, 2x anti-aliasing, MEDIUM detail, still is not fluid!? How come?

Is it a problem between the game and nvidia's drivers??

[FXmAniac11]

Hi

I found a solution for me. I've accidentally disabled my firewire connection (IEEE1394) in control panel instead of local network/internet connection. Just wanted to check if the stuttering problem has something to do with internet.
All in all, the game is running very smooth now, with only some minor pauses when I drive into a new location and some new objects are being loaded.

...so if You have any unused firewire ports, try disabling them.

P.S.
I use Pinnacle PCI addon card for firewire, so the problem may be a hardware conflict (IRQ, I have no idea). You may try removing some PCI stuff, leaving only a soundcard, and if the problem remains, You can move the card to another slot. If You don't have any PCI cards, but have onboard firewire, try disabling it in bios, or, as I did, disable the connection.

Hope this helps
Cheers!

My config:
MSI GF8800GTX
AMD X2 4800+@5600+ (2.8GHz)
Asus A8N-SLI SE
2GB RAM PDP Patriot (4x512)
XFi Xtreme Gamer.....

[seppov1ch]

yesterday i went from xp sp2 to vista ultimate 64. today i have time to try tdu. - i will report if the stuttering is gone...

the stuttering is still there if new textures are loaded :((
cannot play with my 8800gtx

[peterhenriques]

I am running under Windows Vista 64bits and it's all the same.
I'm going to try disable all the network and firewire ports.

But hey, this is not a very good solution when I want to play online... hehehehehhehe

[scortech]

My system is :

A8n32-SLI Deluxe
AMD X2 4600+ 2.4Ghz
2Gb dual kit
8800 GTX
PSU = Hiper 580W

Jepp I am using XP (X86)

I love this game (more or less) But I also really hate this game...If this game was a person I would surely kill that person..Why??

I am getting fed up with this "freakin" lagging/studdering..Especially getting on my nerves if I drive fast and want to keep as close as possible to the roads edge in corners and suddenly I get lagg/studdering and ending up in the face of a oncoming car or a wall..aaarrrrrghh..I wanna kill this game...I wanna beat the snot out of this game if it was a person..Ah..I got that out..I feel a little better..not much....Please Atari do something for all your customers..Give us support and show us that you care...

Thank you..

[peterhenriques]

What is your power supply??

As I said, my problem yesterday must have been the resources that were still pretty much stressed after 6 hours of FSX. I use lots of add-ons and all settings to the max, good FPS, and as the realism increases more resourses the game needs.

After I restarted the pc and started Test Drive Unlimited again, it was really good you know. For this type of games and system the power supply is one of the most important hardware items and Corsair is the best power supply in the market, the best electronics.

Try changing P/S.

My system is:
INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6600
XFX 8800GTX XXX
2GB Kingston HyperX PC2 6400 SLI READY
Corsair HW620
Tuniq Tower 120
Asus Striker Extreme
Creative X-FI Xtreme Gamer
WD Raptor X 150
Samsung Syncmaster 931C
Windows Vista 64-bit

Using this drivers: http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_100.65.html

No OC done yet. Only AI NOS at 3%, it's a very light OC.

I'm going to change my memories for 4GB GEIL ULTRA PC2 8500, buy a second 8800GTX and get the QX6800 by the end of the year. Then I rest and be glad with the system.

Take care

[Weesni]

Mhh i think my iGreen Power 500W is enough for my 8800gts...

[ewok666]

What is your power supply??

After I restarted the pc and started Test Drive Unlimited again, it was really good you know. For this type of games and system the power supply is one of the most important hardware items and Corsair is the best power supply in the market, the best electronics.

Try changing P/S.


I very much doubt the power supply is the cause of the issue. A power supply that is too weak may cause the system to crash but not stutter....

[Magic_Ayrton]

I had similar probs with mine when I first got it...
you have to have the latest drivers and tweak the card in control panel, if you play with the settings you will find it is perfect.. I think you need to turn stuff off like multisampling and things like that, it doesnt affect visual quality.. I have mine on High Image quality but with only 8aa 8af
looks great and runs perfect.. hope this helps...

[Magic_Ayrton]

Intel E6400 core 2 Duo
BFG 8800 GTX Air cooled
2GB Geil Memory

[SuperSupra]

Also have stuttering, mostly in the city. But still very playable.

Windows XP SP2.
Intel E6400 Core 2 Duo + Dual core hotfix.
XFX 8800GTS 640MB
Corsair XMS2 2048MB PC5400
2x320GB HD + Defrag often

[ewok666]

I had similar probs with mine when I first got it...
you have to have the latest drivers and tweak the card in control panel, if you play with the settings you will find it is perfect.. I think you need to turn stuff off like multisampling and things like that, it doesnt affect visual quality.. I have mine on High Image quality but with only 8aa 8af
looks great and runs perfect.. hope this helps...

Hasn't helped me. Still stutters. It would be nice to hear from Atari that:

YES, There is a problem with Geforce 8800 cards
YES, they are working with Nvidia on this
YES, the patch will address this

.... That's not too much to expect, is it?

[TDU-RAZOR]

its not a power supply problem i got 720watt pack...

the 8800 cards just work different, and whilst peeps with older cards are laughing remember he who laughs last, laughs longest...

wait for crysis and other future dx10 games...

[fasttasf]

OK, knowing that G80 may have problems with TDU, I still bought the card today, now the image quality is good, most importantly, the graphics do flickers from time to time, it happens when a new car is loaded, be it your opponents or other cars on the road. It is a bit tricky when you are trying to deliver cars and earn money because when a car is loaded (or maybe the texture for the car is loaded), it's most likely that you will hit it because of the split second frame jump. Well, given the quality of the graphics, I will not turn back the G80, I've not bought the card just for TDU after all. By the way, the frame jump does not seem to be that umbearable and doesn't happen all the time when you are driving. I think there are people using pretty low end computers (other components, not the graphics card) and complaining about the frame jump, maybe it's not entirely due to the G80 for these people's computer. Last, Atari must do something about this, when ATI produces cards using the unified shader architecture as well, the days for TDU will be numbered if they don't fix this. People nowadays get their information online, when everything you can see about this game is the bugs and irritating issues that people report, it's definitely going to put off a lot of potential customers, especially people who has the money and has the adequate hardware to play your game.

[itskrom]

I have this issue too

Quadcore @3.2
8800GTX
X-fi
2gb ram
2x 7200rpm in raid 0


I also have sound issues? could this be the twitches cause?

[scortech]

I also have issues with the sound..the sound disappers and comes back on...

[JackalHead]

I think there are people using pretty low end computers (other components, not the graphics card) and complaining about the frame jump, maybe it's not entirely due to the G80 for these people's computer.

I'm affraid that's not the issue(, well not allways,) my PC is fast enough and very stable. There's been some speculation what the problem is, but as far as I know, there's no definite answer. I hope it's just a driver compatibility problem that will get solved with a new NVidia driver.

My specs : AMD X2 5000+, 2 Gig Kingston HyperX, EVGA 8800GTS 320MB.

Does anybody else notice that, when those stutters occure, the force feedback reacts on it, trying to pull the wheel out of your hands? Or maybe it's the other way around and TDU stutters because of the FF.

[TDU-RAZOR]

i dont think its a driver problem i think the 8800 were just released too early and that they are just to ahead of the games market and developers havent taken the technology onboard yet...

[MZWiZard]

Hi!

I will kindly ask if anyone wanna record their stuttering with "fraps", compress it to wmv and link to the video? It would clarify what were dealing with :bravo:

[itskrom]

underspec , cpu and other things making it happen????????


I don't think so, as I have said I have a quadcore clocked at 3.2ghz and 2gb ram with a x-fi and 8800gtx, and mine stutters.


So thats not right, this computer has all the latest and greatest on it, fastest home user cpu, overclocked, fastest home gpu????

Runs supreme commander on high @ 100fps
Runs battlefield 2 @ 100fps jammed constant all high with 16AF and 8xAA
Runs Oblivion with all sliders on max @85fps with an outdoor battle with three foes.


SO this is a game/ driver issue, so hurry up and fix it, or I'm telling your mum you made a **** game.

[MCORACER]

Hello,,
I've been havin the same stuttering probs as you all are speaking of ... I also took my 8800 GTS 640 meg out and put my old 7900 GTX in ... Still have the same probs.. Not as bad.. but, still there..


AMD 64 4000+ single core
Asus A8N32 SLI Deluxe
4 gigs PC 3200 memory
535 Enermax PS
WD Raptor 74.5 gig HHD
Thermaltake Armor VA8000BWS Super Tower

[MansonGT]

I think I'm the only one without props :laugh:

specs:
8800GTX 768 drivers: 97.94
AMD X2 5200+ @3.15Ghz
2 GIG of DDR800
asus M2N-E mobo (NF570I) (stock disk drivers)
2x 250GIG maxtors in raid (stripe)

windowsXP SP2
page file disabled

sound card: Audigy2 with stock disk drivers

the only little problem I have is that the sound goes off sometimes but I fix that with cycling through the driving views

but for the rest: the game is running SWEEET mdr1

I run the game @ 1280/1024 32bit
HDR is enabled
8XAA 8XANI

[TDU-RAZOR]

Hi!

I will kindly ask if anyone wanna record their stuttering with "fraps", compress it to wmv and link to the video? It would clarify what were dealing with :bravo:

have you seen how long it takes to upload fraps vids even compressed im not doing it lol

[Weesni]

I got one little bigger here

http://rapidshare.com/files/24483176/TestDriveUnlimited_2007-04-05_18-17-03-23.avi.html

[Magic_Ayrton]

As I said, I had stuttering problems with my 8800GTx when I first got it..

It wasn't in TDU the problem though, It was in GTL and GTR2, messed around with settings and Bingo! I basically tweaked it in control panel, et voila!, the stuttering stopped just like that...

When I installed TDU (Downloaded Version) I didn't have any issues whatsoever with it.. I'm running Vista 32.. Realtek Daughterboard audio, comes with Abit Motherboard..

The 8800 by default is an immensely powerful card and I believe that it needs fine tuning just like a sportscar! :)

Here are my settings..

Aniso Filtering 8x
Antialiasing - Gamma on
Antialiasing - Mode Override any appliation setting
Antialiasing - Setting 8xQ
Antialiasing - Transparency Multisampling
Conformant texture clamp Use Hardware
Error reporting Off
Extension limit off
force mipmaps Trilinear
Multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration Single display performance mode
texture filtering aniso sampl optimisation off
Texture filtering - Negative LOD bias Clamp
Texture filtering - Quality High Quality


Try it :D weirdblue

[seppov1ch]

cannot give it a test right now. can any1 else do?
i remember i tried tweaking the drivers menue, too but without any gain :/

[WillyWonkaCF]

I see very little stuttering when driving. It will hiccup for a half second when speeding along at 210mph every little ways assuming it is loading the next area.

VISTA Ultimate 64bit
GeForce 8800 GTS 640mb
4GB DDR 400 Ram
AMD X2 4400+

The game has never froxe completely or stuttered to the point that it was unplayable. I wondering if VISTA doesn't have the same issues?

[TDU-RAZOR]

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_97.94.html

8800 drivers released april 5th 2007

[ewok666]

As I said, I had stuttering problems with my 8800GTx when I first got it..

It wasn't in TDU the problem though, It was in GTL and GTR2, messed around with settings and Bingo! I basically tweaked it in control panel, et voila!, the stuttering stopped just like that...

When I installed TDU (Downloaded Version) I didn't have any issues whatsoever with it.. I'm running Vista 32.. Realtek Daughterboard audio, comes with Abit Motherboard..

The 8800 by default is an immensely powerful card and I believe that it needs fine tuning just like a sportscar! :)

Here are my settings..

Aniso Filtering 8x
Antialiasing - Gamma on
Antialiasing - Mode Override any appliation setting
Antialiasing - Setting 8xQ
Antialiasing - Transparency Multisampling
Conformant texture clamp Use Hardware
Error reporting Off
Extension limit off
force mipmaps Trilinear
Multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration Single display performance mode
texture filtering aniso sampl optimisation off
Texture filtering - Negative LOD bias Clamp
Texture filtering - Quality High Quality


Try it :D weirdblue

Makes no difference

Tried without a swap file as well.....also made no difference

[fasttasf]

I see very little stuttering when driving. It will hiccup for a half second when speeding along at 210mph every little ways assuming it is loading the next area.

VISTA Ultimate 64bit
GeForce 8800 GTS 640mb
4GB DDR 400 Ram
AMD X2 4400+

The game has never froxe completely or stuttered to the point that it was unplayable. I wondering if VISTA doesn't have the same issues?

very confusing, I have literally the same pc specs,

vista ultimate 64bit
bfg 8800 gtx (overclocked version, core clock 600MHz as opposed to the standard 575MHz, so it should be more powerful than your GTS)
4GB DDR pc3200
AMD 64X2 4400+

I do have some stuttering going on (just bought the card last weekend), I used to have 2 geforce 6600gt with SLi enabled, everything was fine apart from the capacity of 6600gt can only power the game up to 800x600 whilst the 8800gtx can run at 1280x1024 with all max, if only the frame jump can be do away. So vista and dx10 cannot eliminate this thing (i thought they could)

[Magic_Ayrton]

Either Hdd is not fast enough??

or (most likely cause)

Speed of CPU is not matched to GPU and therefore there is a bottleneck
That's why I suggest lowering graphics or raising graphics load keep tweaking, I'm sure it will cure it... if not... wait for the Patch..


Again, I Have:

Intel E6400 Core 2 duo overclocked
8800 GTX
2GB Geil Memory

[MansonGT]

Antialiasing - Transparency => try turning this off in the NV control panel

it gave me a huge fps boost

I hope this helps

[Maffski]

I must admit I've not had the stuttering problems but for those that do there is a new beta driver that has been leaked (ForceWare 158.16). It might be worth trying out to see if it improves things for the 8800 dudes:- heres the link (http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=14586&catid=3)

[seppov1ch]

Antialiasing - Transparency => try turning this off in the NV control panel

it gave me a huge fps boost

I hope this helps

this stutterings have nothing to do with low fps :(
the game just "hangs" sometimes on a 8800. (not the small loading-new-area-hick-ups)
fps are high.

[ewok666]

I must admit I've not had the stuttering problems but for those that do there is a new beta driver that has been leaked (ForceWare 158.16). It might be worth trying out to see if it improves things for the 8800 dudes:- heres the link (http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=14586&catid=3)

I tried the driver BUT I also defraged my hard drive this morning. Actually I copied everything off, formatted it and then copied the TDU folder back on first thing before everything else.

Now....the stuttering seems a lot better but I couldn't say whether is was the driver, the defrag or the combination.

[ewok666]

Either Hdd is not fast enough??

or (most likely cause)

Speed of CPU is not matched to GPU and therefore there is a bottleneck
That's why I suggest lowering graphics or raising graphics load keep tweaking, I'm sure it will cure it... if not... wait for the Patch..


Again, I Have:

Intel E6400 Core 2 duo overclocked
8800 GTX
2GB Geil Memory

Sorry but it's not the CPU speed and it's not a GPU bottleneck either.

[mr_greedy]

It's as if it's some PCIe bus problem then. Maybe the combination of a graphics card with immature drivers, a saturatured PCIe bus, and lots of disk accessing is slowing things down.

Maybe.

Heh.

[Magic_Ayrton]

I have news for you.. it's not about fps, no, it's about matching gpu with cpu, I have proved this, I turned off Aniso Transparancy as apposed to multisampling, frame rates were higher but it stuttered.

I found that the more i loaded the card the lower the framerate but never stuttered at all.. go figure.

It was a tight call on my pc but eventually it runs perfect now.. just took some fine tuning I am very very happy with it now and it runs perfect on every game. see above for my settings

e6400 o'c'd to 6600
8800 Gtx
2 gb geil Ram

[ewok666]

I have news for you.. it's not about fps, no, it's about matching gpu with cpu, I have proved this, I turned off Aniso Transparancy as apposed to multisampling, frame rates were higher but it stuttered.

I found that the more i loaded the card the lower the framerate but never stuttered at all.. go figure.

It was a tight call on my pc but eventually it runs perfect now.. just took some fine tuning I am very very happy with it now and it runs perfect on every game. see above for my settings

e6400 o'c'd to 6600
8800 Gtx
2 gb geil Ram

What are you saying? That you need the right speed CPU for a certain GPU?

You need to stop smoking weed before posting here!

I can clock my E6600 anywhere from under 1.5GHz to 3.3GHz. Before that I had the 8800 GTS in an Athlon X2 system. Made no difference.

Of course, if you run at some insane res with ultrahigh aniso and aa and whatnot....the fps is so low that couldn't notice the stutter anyway.

[itskrom]

I Aslo have a nasty sound bug issue, the bass sounds destorted and crackles, on my x-fi, tried different drivers and turning off eax etc, nothing, all other games are fine.



I notice a mild crackle everytime it stutters, Im thinking its a sound issue.


Also worth a mention is the fact this game loads on the fly, so unless they made the engine stream in data with a buffer we are in trouble? no?

[seppov1ch]

I Aslo have a nasty sound bug issue, the bass sounds destorted and crackles, on my x-fi, tried different drivers and turning off eax etc, nothing, all other games are fine.



I notice a mild crackle everytime it stutters, Im thinking its a sound issue.


Also worth a mention is the fact this game loads on the fly, so unless they made the engine stream in data with a buffer we are in trouble? no?

... and why do you post it here? :rolleyes:

[TrIpMo]

Only post over probelms with 8800GTS stutter problems. OMG people really can't read.

Well I just want 2 say I have this problem also is there a solution allready.

my system specs are:
AMD 4800+ X2 S939
2Gb 400Mhz
XFX 8800 GTS XT 320mb (core speed 560Mhz)
Asus A8N-Sli SE

[ewok666]

Well I just want 2 say I have this problem also is there a solution allready.


I assume this is a question...

Have you tried the ForceWare 158.16 beta drivers?

[HaMPST]

The new drivers are now out! version 158.19, gonna try it now.. ill get back to you about improvement or not in the game...

[TrIpMo]

I assume this is a question...

Have you tried the ForceWare 158.16 beta drivers?

yes this is a question. Sorry I forgot 2 use the question mark rolleyesa
Nope didn't try them yet. But I'll wait what HaMPST is saying about the new drivers.

The new drivers are now out! version 158.19, gonna try it now.. ill get back to you about improvement or not in the game...

Ok I hope U come back with some good news

[ewok666]

yes this is a question. Sorry I forgot 2 use the question mark rolleyesa
Nope didn't try them yet. But I'll wait what HaMPST is saying about the new drivers.



Ok I hope U come back with some good news

Downloaded them just now. If they are as good as the 158.16 then they might(!) have fixed the issue.

Cheers

[Gargula]

My PC is:

X2 4200+ 2,2Ghz
2GB Ram DDR400
G8800GTS 640MB


Driver: 158.19

My game is with a unbearable lag... Principally in the city

I tested several drivers and it continues............ :noooo:

Please atari, fix that... :noooo: :noooo:

[ewok666]

My PC is:

X2 4200+ 2,2Ghz
2GB Ram DDR400
G8800GTS 640MB


Driver: 158.19

My game is with a unbearable lag... Principally in the city

I tested several drivers and it continues............ :noooo:

Please atari, fix that... :noooo: :noooo:

Lag....as in stuttering?

[Gargula]

Lag....as in stuttering?

Yes!!! :noooo:

[ewok666]

Yes!!! :noooo:

Sorry to hear this....as in my post above. The 158.16 and a complete defrag (more a re-copy actually) made my stutters go 99.9% away....

[firefox007]

Yes i tried also and its still the same(a very little better,not much)>>>>vista ultimate 32 :cry: bit

[TrIpMo]

Well I will download the driver this evening (2 see if it helps for me).

O yeah I forgot 2 tell u guys im running on Windows XP Pro SP2 OS

[ewok666]

Well I will download the driver this evening (2 see if it helps for me).

O yeah I forgot 2 tell u guys im running on Windows XP Pro SP2 OS


If you can: remove everything of the drive that has the TDU installation, format the drive and copy TDU back on first then the rest. This way TDU will be in one piece on the fastest part of the disk.

[TrIpMo]

Well I will download the driver this evening (2 see if it helps for me).

O yeah I forgot 2 tell u guys im running on Windows XP Pro SP2 OS

(oops this one can be deleted posted twice here the same)

[TrIpMo]

If you can: remove everything of the drive that has the TDU installation, format the drive and copy TDU back on first then the rest. This way TDU will be in one piece on the fastest part of the disk.

Sorry I can't format this drive. Because I have like 200Gb installed near TDU. But I will see if this new Driver of Nvidia will help. I will reply if it worked or not

[tkm16]

Sorry to hear this....as in my post above. The 158.16 and a complete defrag (more a re-copy actually) made my stutters go 99.9% away....

Whoo il try these when i get in from work! I dont understand how defragging ur hard drive will make it run any better? I mean i have several games installed on my hard drive and they all run perfectly! So why should TDU be any different? :hin:

[ewok666]

Whoo il try these when i get in from work! I dont understand how defragging ur hard drive will make it run any better? I mean i have several games installed on my hard drive and they all run perfectly! So why should TDU be any different? :hin:

TDU needs to load additional environment data as you drive along. More in some areas (the cities) and less in others (plains etc). Don't know why this is more pronounced with the 8800...maybe the much higher frame rate of these cards brings it out and you actually notice. With the data in one place as contiguous files, seeks are minimized and read speed is optimal....I suspect that if run from a RAMdisk it would run without hickups ;-)

[dzidza]

TDU needs to load additional environment data as you drive along. More in some areas (the cities) and less in others (plains etc). Don't know why this is more pronounced with the 8800...maybe the much higher frame rate of these cards brings it out and you actually notice. With the data in one place as contiguous files, seeks are minimized and read speed is optimal....I suspect that if run from a RAMdisk it would run without hickups ;-)

I have disabled pagefile, completly disabled in win registry not just in system, vitrual memory, because i have ddr2 667 2gb, and there is no need to use virtual memory on hdd, but the game still stutters :-(, hope this new drivers will help :-)

[jasonbruno]

Yeah, I am suffering with the dreaded stutter as well! IS there a cure?

8800GTX 768MB
AM2 AMD X2 6000+
Corsair 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 DOMINATOR

I am also running vista, don't know if it is the o/s causing problem?

HELP?

[magicians]

There is a new BETA driver for vista 32 bit 8800 users on nvidia site as of yesterday! Not sure if it helps with any problems though rolleyesa

Windows Vista 32-bit
ForceWare Release 158
Version: 158.18
Release Date: April 17, 2007
Beta Driver

[tkm16]

Just tried out forceware version 158.18 and most of the stutters have gone!! There not all gone...but id say its helped 80% of them! mdr1
Think this ones vista only though...
Link for you guys

Vista 32bit: http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_158.18.html
vista 64bit: http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_158.18.html

[mr_greedy]

Not for me. Exactly the same.

[itskrom]

Hello, Atari? , Do You Even Read This, Are You Working On A Fix??........
ANSWER ME!!!........Please...

[magicians]

To be honest I cant tell only trying to win the 30 multiplayer games u need to help towards 100% finished game!

[Gargula]

easy itskrom, Wait for new drivers of the nvidia.. or... Wait for the patch. :)

[TrIpMo]

Guess what I installed the new Nvidia drivers. Are the servers of TDU down.

OMG

[ewok666]

easy itskrom, Wait for new drivers of the nvidia.. or... Wait for the patch. :)

Why go easy? He's right. Nowhere have Atari (or Nvidia) acknowledged that there is an issue and it's even being looked at. For all we know, there may be a patch and the 8800 problems will NOT BE FIXED! :mad:

[TrIpMo]

Well I would be more pleased if U can contact Atari and ask if they know about this issue

[fasttasf]

I installed the new driver for vista 64bit (out 17th April, 2007), the stuttering seems to have eased a bit, so if anyone wants to give it a try, go download the new driver from nvidia's website. It's not completely smooth, but noticably better than before. Mind you that the first time I start the game after updating the driver, it seemed no improvement made at all, but after I shut the game and started again, better, don't know why. By the way, the 8800gtx is extremely hot (temperature), looking at the on-coming long hot summer forecasted in the uk, I'll have to buy a mini air conditioner just for my pc now. I'm not a big fan of water cooling because this kind of equipment consumes a lot of power, and are very fussy about the fitting position etc. My solution would be a mini fan blowing ice bag cooled air through a flexible pvc pipe (or may be two, one for the cpu one for the graphics card, the inner surface of the pipe would probably need to be covered with tissues to suck the moisture) into the computer case, of course I'll need a mini fridge for the ice cubes, but hey, I don't mind having a few cans of ice-cooled beer within an arm's reach. The only possible down side is that my room would be as noisy as a construction site. haha mdr1 . Anyone got better solutions? Do let me know.

[ewok666]

Well I would be more pleased if U can contact Atari and ask if they know about this issue

What for? This would be a waste of time....it's not like you get to speak to anyone who has a clue OR someone who knows what's really happening. The only info from Atari that means anything is what mods write in this forum.

[TrIpMo]

yeah maybe U right about this ewok666

[itskrom]

Its ok the Admin check this forum every six years, this really is a nightmare when no-one answers your Questions, they are after all about a faulty product??

Take your cash and run style tech support.


Quadcore @3.2
8800GTX
2gb Ram
X-fi
2x 7200rpm WD HD's in raid 0

I have STAMMERS and SOUND issues.


I will add that I have a nasty sound problem, anything other than headphones is unplayable, bass is off the chart and I get nasty crackle and feedback. (not in any other game, say 5 other games are fine and music etc) Just this game.

I have also noticed it crackle slightly when it stammers, could this be the issue?.

One last thing, if it was harddrives causing this, why would it do it on a road you just went down turned round and went down and turn round etc, as this data would be in the ram.

Anyone else got sound issuse? I find it hard to believe its just mine????

[JackalHead]

Why go easy? He's right. Nowhere have Atari (or Nvidia) acknowledged that there is an issue and it's even being looked at. For all we know, there may be a patch and the 8800 problems will NOT BE FIXED! :mad:

Yes they have, there is a compatibility problem between TDU and the NVidia drivers. They're talking with NVidia about it. By now, they probably are working on it.


looking at the on-coming long hot summer forecasted in the uk, I'll have to buy a mini air conditioner just for my pc now. I'm not a big fan of water cooling because this kind of equipment consumes a lot of power, and are very fussy about the fitting position etc.


If it's your psu you are worried about, you could get a second psu for your VGA card, they cost about €40 here in holland. I don't know how much moist would come out of an airco, but if it's much I hope the tissues will absorb everything for you.
I'm not sure what you mean by fitting position, but if you buy a complete set that is compatible with your CPU everyting should be fine( I hope.) I have my doubts about water cooling too, but for the same reason as you, the coming hot summer & hot 8800, I am going to buy a Thermaltake Armor LCS, (big tower with water cooling,) and if I can find it, maybe, the VGA wc set. I allready had my cpu(X2 5000+ @ stockspeed) at 60 Celsius last sunday. I read some very positive reviews about this case and it should be very easy to install, only hope it won't start to leak...


Anyone else got sound issuse? I find it hard to believe its just mine????

Yes, a lot of people do, you could do a search for a thread about it. Also read the readme.

[TrIpMo]

Guys. Im curious if anyone tried the new Nvidia drivers for Windows XP OS.

Because these are out.

ForceWare Release 158
Version: 158.19
Release Date: April 17, 2007
Beta Driver

If someone tried it, can U tell me if the stutter disappeared. Or not?

For Windows XP, and im not curious if it runs great on Vista now. Because I don't wanna install Vista yet. Because of all the other known issues of Vista and other programs / games.

[TrIpMo]

Ok I installed these new Nvidia drivers.

The ForceWare Release 158
Version: 158.19
Release Date: April 17, 2007
Beta Driver

And now I tried running TDU and guess what







It RUNS GREAT. Like 99.9% away from the stuttering. YES

I have Windows XP Pro SP2

[CemUs]

very verry weird cos I found that these drivers just made my game from bad to worse. eekblue:

running it on XP SP2 just like you.




Ok I installed these new Nvidia drivers.

The ForceWare Release 158
Version: 158.19
Release Date: April 17, 2007
Beta Driver

And now I tried running TDU and guess what







It RUNS GREAT. Like 99.9% away from the stuttering. YES

I have Windows XP Pro SP2

[pjholl2006]

TrIpMo, do you mind sharing your specs?

Thanx

[gfunk11]

Im going to back TrIpMo up here and say that I installed the new nvidia drivers and they reduced the stuttering a lot. They've not gone completely but its a big improvement

[ewok666]

Im going to back TrIpMo up here and say that I installed the new nvidia drivers and they reduced the stuttering a lot. They've not gone completely but its a big improvement

I'm going to downgrade to 100.95 to see whether this really makes a difference....

Done...

It seems(!) slightly worse with the 100.95 installed (compared to 158.19) but not much really. Of course this may vary in different locations.

[seppov1ch]

I'm going to downgrade to 100.95 to see whether this really makes a difference....

Done...

It seems(!) slightly worse with the 100.95 installed (compared to 158.19) but not much really. Of course this may vary in different locations.

save your time and play something else, we need a patch from :atari:

[TrIpMo]

TrIpMo, do you mind sharing your specs?

Thanx

Ok U asked for my Specs here u go!

Antec 550W True Trio PSU
Asus A8N-SLI SE
AMD 4800+ X2 Socket 939
2x 1024MB DDR 400MHZ (kingston)
XFX 8800GTS XT 320MB
Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS
2x 250GB WD S-ATA 16MB Cache in Raid 0
1x 200GB WD IDE 8MB Cache
1x 40GB WD IDE 7200RPM
3com 10/100 MB Network card
Windows XP PRO UK SP2

[Herngaard]

I have small stutters aswell, but mostly running SLI,
Also I have the most annoying problem, changing gears manually doesnt react properly when i shift up or down, sometimes i need to change gear mere than 5 times until it reacts. Anyone else experiencing this ?

Im running 1680x1050 with everything at max and I average between 100-130FPS, still it has those small irritating lags.

Specs:

Core 2 Duo @ 3,2Ghz
Evga 680i SLI
2GB Corsair XMS 6400C5
Evga 8800GTX
Gainward 8800GTX
RAID 0 on 2x 80GB SATA2 Hitachi's
22" LG Flatron Wide
Logitech G15 Keyboard, MX400 Laser Mouse

[Caesarnz]

Well I currently have.

Athlon XP +64 3800
2 Gigs of ram
Geforce 7800 GTX 256meg.

The game runs very nice for me at the moment.
But this week I'm getting an Asus 8800 GTS 320meg card so will be interesting to see if I get this studdering issue.

Will let you know how it goes.

[fasttasf]

I have small stutters aswell, but mostly running SLI,
Also I have the most annoying problem, changing gears manually doesnt react properly when i shift up or down, sometimes i need to change gear mere than 5 times until it reacts. Anyone else experiencing this ?

Im running 1680x1050 with everything at max and I average between 100-130FPS, still it has those small irritating lags.

Specs:

Core 2 Duo @ 3,2Ghz
Evga 680i SLI
2GB Corsair XMS 6400C5
Evga 8800GTX
Gainward 8800GTX
RAID 0 on 2x 80GB SATA2 Hitachi's
22" LG Flatron Wide
Logitech G15 Keyboard, MX400 Laser Mouse

SLi with two graphics cards from different manufacturers? Although this might not be the reason for the keyboard responsiveness, still, I'd use two identical cards from the same vendor, that's what nvidia recommmends, I think the reason is that although they are both called 8800gtx, it's most likely only the G80 chipset from nvidia are identical of the two cards, so there could be a lot of issues caused by potential incompatibility between products from two different vendors. To power up your computer, How many psu do you have? your household energy consumption must be as much as a small town. :laugh:

[Maffski]

SLi with two graphics cards from different manufacturers? Although this might not be the reason for the keyboard responsiveness, still, I'd use two identical cards from the same vendor, that's what nvidia recommmends, I think the reason is that although they are both called 8800gtx, it's most likely only the G80 chipset from nvidia are identical of the two cards, so there could be a lot of issues caused by potential incompatibility between products from two different vendors.


Thats wrong, the 8800 is a NVidia reference card all are identical (built by Foxconn) except for the bios which sets clock speeds which the manufacturer (like xfx or EVGA for example) sets.

[JackalHead]

I have small stutters aswell, but mostly running SLI,
Also I have the most annoying problem, changing gears manually doesnt react properly when i shift up or down, sometimes i need to change gear mere than 5 times until it reacts. Anyone else experiencing this ?


I have this reaction to changing gears as well, making it very hard to take corners when I'm not in the gear I expect. It's especially when changing gears down, up usually is no problem. From N to R is allways 4 or 5 clicks. Also, if I change gears( up or down) I have to wait for 1 or 2 secs before I can change gears in the other direction. I use a Momo Racing on a single 8800 GTS 320MB setup.
Besides this, sometimes it feels like my pedals are not really analog, there are just a few steps between fully and not pressing them. Also my deadzone is to big, I'm now using the Logitech Profiler which has never been necessary with other games. It's better now, but far from perfect.
To me, it feels like the stutters and Forcefeedback are related.

[Girrari]

I don't have to much problems with changing gears (although I sometimes do have to pull the shifter more then once -esspecially when shifting down- to change the gear, but I thought that the reason was that I haven't pulled it hard enough), but I do have other problems you've mentioned... especially with the range of the pedals sensitivity. This is very noticable when accelerating and braking... even with the little power on the brake pedal, it brakes very hard... same with accelerating; it is almost impossible to accelerate without burning tyres.

[JackalHead]

I do have other problems you've mentioned... especially with the range of the pedals sensitivity. This is very noticable when accelerating and braking... even with the little power on the brake pedal, it brakes very hard... same with accelerating; it is almost impossible to accelerate without burning tyres.

It's much better for me now I have sensitivity for the pedals set at 25% in the profiler and everything at 100% in TDU. Even Hardcore Mode is playable and at times I can even drive a Saleen now which first oversteered upon even slightly touching the accellerator.

[TrIpMo]

Can we plz stick too the Thread title!

[Herngaard]

SLi with two graphics cards from different manufacturers? Although this might not be the reason for the keyboard responsiveness, still, I'd use two identical cards from the same vendor, that's what nvidia recommmends, I think the reason is that although they are both called 8800gtx, it's most likely only the G80 chipset from nvidia are identical of the two cards, so there could be a lot of issues caused by potential incompatibility between products from two different vendors. To power up your computer, How many psu do you have? your household energy consumption must be as much as a small town. :laugh:

The two cards are pretty much the same, same speed memory and everything, shouldnt be a problem, the keyboard thing was also a issue when using just one (before I got the EVGA card) every other game behaves nicely.

Just one PSU, a Enermax Galaxy rated at 1KW :)

[TrIpMo]

The two cards are pretty much the same, same speed memory and everything, shouldnt be a problem, the keyboard thing was also a issue when using just one (before I got the EVGA card) every other game behaves nicely.

Just one PSU, a Enermax Galaxy rated at 1KW :)

Herngaard can't read I guess.

Stick too the Thread Title

[Herngaard]

Herngaard can't read I guess.

Stick too the Thread Title


How is my problem with stuttering lag with two 8800GTX cards off topic ?

[TrIpMo]

U post that U don't have problems. Do we care. We wanna help others with problems. So U don't have 2 post that everything works fine for U :)

[ewok666]

How is my problem with stuttering lag with two 8800GTX cards off topic ?

It's not....IMHO. But there has been a lot of other BS posted in this thread....BUT just let it be otherwise this will turn into a thread c r a p discussion.

Anyway.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch.....where is the patch?

Oh, and while we're at it: What sane person runs an open beta test for a week or 10 days only....how do you expect to find all important issues???

[Maffski]

U post that U don't have problems. Do we care. We wanna help others with problems. So U don't have 2 post that everything works fine for U :)

Surely you'd be wanting to hear what those of us that do not have problems are doing differently that stops the stuttering. :mefiant:

[TrIpMo]

Do U see some helpfull info in that post. Well im not :)

[Maffski]

Do U see some helpfull info in that post. Well im not :)

Stay on topic please! :laugh:

[Herngaard]

U post that U don't have problems. Do we care. We wanna help others with problems. So U don't have 2 post that everything works fine for U :)


What the hell is your problem ? I'm having problems with my SLI 8800GTX setup! I'm not off topic!

[TrIpMo]

Sorry didn't read the history of U good enough.

My fault :mefiant::mefiant::mefiant::mefiant::mefiant:

[irdmoose]

It may be related to my 8800 on this computer, but my old computer (just put it away the other day) had the exact same stuttering issue. Maybe it's related to Nvidia cards as a whole. Could also be related to running in HD or near HD resolutions, because on my old system when I cut my resolution down the stuttering seemed to almost go away. I haven't had time to play with it on the new system yet, but it's a possibility. Here are the specs of the 2 systems:

New System:
AMD Athlon 64x2 6000+ on MSI K9N Diamond (nForce 590 SLI)
4 GB PC 6400 Dual Channel DDR2 (4x 1GB 4-4-4-15)
2x BFG 8800 GTS 640MB in SLI
5x SATAII Seagate 250GB 7200 RPM HDDs in 1.3 TB Raid 0 array
Creative X-FI Fatal1ty (got a killer deal)
Forceware 151.8
Windows Vista Ultimate
Running TDU at 1680 x 1050, HIGH detail, NO AA, HDR off (HDR causes issues for some stupid reason)

Old System:
AMD Athlon XP 3200+ Barton Core on MSI K7N2 Delta-ILSR
2GB PC3200 DDR
1x BFG 7800 GTX 256MB AGP8x
1x 80 GB ATA133 7200 RPM drive (boot)
2x 120GB SATA 1 7200 RPM drives (software, games, etc.)
1x 300GB ATA133 7200 RPM drive (virtual memory, swap, scratch disk, CD images, etc.)
Windows XP PRO SP2
Running TDU at 1680 x 1050, Medium detail, NO AA, HDR off

Edit: I forgot to note that I'm running Vista Ultimate 32 bit... probably doesn't make any difference, but all the info helps. Also, the new system was just built a week ago yesterday.

Edit 2: After playing more... it's stuttering WAY more than it used to on my old system.

[Caesarnz]

Well I currently have.

Athlon XP +64 3800
2 Gigs of ram
Geforce 7800 GTX 256meg.

The game runs very nice for me at the moment.
But this week I'm getting an Asus 8800 GTS 320meg card so will be interesting to see if I get this studdering issue.

Will let you know how it goes.

S**t I forgot to post.

Ok well I now have my new 8800GTS 320 meg.
Maannnnn she goes like the clappers too :)

But...... YES I am getting stuttering now, even when I use the resolution and settings as I had on the old card.
Its intermittent but definitely there, doesn't necessarily happen when I'm changing gears though but it happens more when I'm going fast than slow.

I'm inclined to think that its some memory or driver issue with Nvidia 8800s drivers.

[Me-Wanderer]

Well I think it is the games fault mostly...
I reached this conclusion after installing and playing all the latest games that I have and the most graphics intensive ones I have..
These include: FSX, X3 Reunion, Silent Hunter IV, Rise and fall Civ at war, Civ City Rome, Company of Heroes, Medieval II Total War..
ALL of the above games run perfectly with all graphics options turned up to the max, no (or very very little) stuttering like Test Drive has (TDU on my system is unplayable)
So it can't be entirely Nvidia's fault, as if it was, then none of the above games would be any good..

Maybe it's related to Nvidia cards as a whole.