Official patch + carpack discussion thread pt7

[kalniel]

So as not to clutter the forums, and provide a clear and obvious place to discuss all things related to patches and carpacks for the PC, we have created this thread.

May I please remind you that all posts here must abide by the forum rules (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=51888) - note especially the points about flaming, swearing, non-constructive, excessive repeating of posts and ignoring moderator requests.

As this is now the official place to post patch questions and comments, posts elsewhere about the patch/possible carpacks are liable to be locked/edited/deleted without warning.

Official information will compiled and put into a seperate sticky as and when it is available.

Previous thread can be found here (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=64102).

Bug reports about the first patch can now be made here (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=64138)

[ewok666]

Previous thread can be found here (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=64138).

Bug reports about the first patch can now be made here (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=64138)

The previous thread link is wrong ;-)

Re your last post in the previous thread. Are you seriously saying that your PC does not pause(hang or whatever you want to call it) for that split second when it goes to the disk to load more world data, textures, birds, paper...or whatever else it needs to get?

[kalniel]

The previous thread link is wrong ;-) Oops, thankyou :)

Re your last post in the previous thread. Are you seriously saying that your PC does not pause(hang or whatever you want to call it) for that split second when it goes to the disk to load more world data, textures, birds, paper...or whatever else it needs to get?
Yes I'm saying that. There is no split second pause while I'm driving around - all data loading, even with paper, birds etc. and 4xHQ AF is completely seamless. What I get approximately once per session (so once in 3 hours or so) is a pause of around half a second which is caused by my other hard drive spinning down to save electricity - this occurs about 5-10mins after I start the game and is quite predictable :)

It could be that the AMD memory controller along with hyper-transport mean that data is shunted around my system faster. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure there are also no such pauses on my gf's core 2 duo based system as well.

[BensonJutton]

The previous thread link is wrong ;-)

Re your last post in the previous thread. Are you seriously saying that your PC does not pause(hang or whatever you want to call it) for that split second when it goes to the disk to load more world data, textures, birds, paper...or whatever else it needs to get?
Yep thats exactly what I'm saying :)

[randomus_r]

I don't get that problem either...
Anyhow, what's with the invisible mode thingy, Benson? ;)

[BensonJutton]

I don't get that problem either...
Anyhow, what's with the invisible mode thingy, Benson? ;)
I put it on and forgot I had rolleyesa

[kalniel]

I don't get that problem either...
Anyhow, what's with the invisible mode thingy, Benson? ;)
He's so popular it's to stop the fans flocking to him ;)

[randomus_r]

I put it on and forgot I had rolleyesa

Oh, that's your excuse, is it? I think kalneil's reason is much more realistic :p

[BensonJutton]

He's so popular it's to stop the fans flocking to him ;)
It's ok I've got Beckhams People in :)

[NecroViolator]

Necro, you've already posted what was here in a thread that's dealing with it, keep technical discussion to the tech forum. - kalniel

[randomus_r]

*hides Super Mario from BensonJutton* ;)

[Bigdaddymlove]

I put it on and forgot I had rolleyesa
Invisible mode? Have you gained super powers now? eekblue:

[BensonJutton]

Invisible mode? Have you gained super powers now? eekblue:
Lmao yep I have Xray vision too lol hello m8 hows you :hin:

[Bigdaddymlove]

Lmao yep I have Xray vision too lol hello m8 hows you :hin:
Ewwww, so you guys can be watching us, and we'd never know you were there? i feel unclean.... :noooo:

[XAlwood]

well.. I just feel like saying it one more time.. :p do new cars come together with another patch or can we expect them before/after? and how long will the PC users have to wait for DC? or additional conten? (infinity?not long?removed?)

would be nice to know a bit of a time spanning, then we can add 2 months... just like with the patch ;) And then we can be patient :p

[kalniel]

well.. I just feel like saying it one more time.. :p do new cars come together with another patch or can we expect them before/after? and how long will the PC users have to wait for DC? or additional conten? (infinity?not long?removed?)

would be nice to know a bit of a time spanning, then we can add 2 months... just like with the patch ;) And then we can be patient :p
No need to ask again. The answer is still the same, and we will notify you clearly when it changes :)

[small090]

The previous thread link is wrong ;-)

Re your last post in the previous thread. Are you seriously saying that your PC does not pause(hang or whatever you want to call it) for that split second when it goes to the disk to load more world data, textures, birds, paper...or whatever else it needs to get?

I get that problem, and sometimes even it doesn't load and I drive into nothing and when doing a mission with a driving meter, lose all of it so I don't get any money. It's weird, because it happens less frequently with the patch installed but it still does it.

Why?? You don't drive into nothing because of a hard drive in real life!!

[Slartibartfast]

I dunno, if the data goes on my sat nav.....

I once got the journey would take me on the A0 A0 A0 and A0 is that the same thing?? :nuts: After all I was driving on nothing mdr1

[swatjosh]

THIS POST IS DEDICATED TO ALL THOSE MEMBERS WHO GOT BANNED !!!

the above is your choice...

[sc00terx]

hi so i post about a patch here so is there a new one on the way and will there be ongoing updates to this game as one off patch dont look like a good way to go

eny info that is true will be much help thanks



sc00terx

[dzidza]

i think it's about time we have some info about patch #2, because i can't play the game anymore and i paid for it, my sound is gone.

[Davve567]

i downloaded and installed the patch but when i start up the game it keeps saying that there's a new update avaible and i can't play online! :mad:

[randomus_r]

i downloaded and installed the patch but when i start up the game it keeps saying that there's a new update avaible and i can't play online! :mad:

http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=65836

Please use the search function and read the stickies before you post :)

[robotron2000]

"...with vehicle packs featuring six or more cars or bikes available periodically after launch."

rolleyesa

[randomus_r]

"...with vehicle packs featuring six or more cars or bikes available periodically after launch."

rolleyesa

Where does it say that? :hin:

[F_Slim]

"...with vehicle packs featuring six or more cars or bikes available periodically after launch."

rolleyesa
Once every two years would still be "periodically after launch" :laugh: :) :noooo:

[robotron2000]

Where does it say that? :hin:

The PC section of the offical TDU site. Thought someone might find it amusing.

[sc00terx]

hi so i post about a patch here so is there a new one on the way and will there be ongoing updates to this game as one off patch dont look like a good way to go

eny info that is true will be much help thanks



sc00terx


lo still after some info on this ??

sc 00 terx

[kalniel]

lo still after some info on this ??

sc 00 terx
Pointless repetition of posts is spamming.. don't do it again please.

[Cold-Fission]

Just a suggestion Kalniel, might be worth putting in a 'What we know and What is speculation' in your first post to try and reduce the number of ill-informed posts.

[matelotmike]

Just a suggestion Kalniel, might be worth putting in a 'What we know and What is speculation' in your first post to try and reduce the number of ill-informed posts.
Hi,

that's easy done

1. It's broken
2. It ain't gonna get fixed

Cheers

[sc00terx]

Pointless repetition of posts is spamming.. don't do it again please.


hi so if you answer what i asked maybe i would not have to and its not Pointless as i not got a reply yet


maybe you could of taken the time to answer me and not just put the above pointless post ??

also i don't take to lightly to threats as i take it you will ban me if i asked the same thing again but you wont give a answer ??

i came here for help not abuse of mod powers

if you cant help me say so if you don't know say so tell me who can

i will ring up and see if i can talk to some one tomorrow about this i see you are banning users for some times little or no reason are you here to help us or just keep us quiet and hope it all goes away

ah i did have a point must get back to that yea thats it

you can take the time to say i am spamming but not take the same energy to tell me what i would like to know









sc00terx

[kalniel]

Just a suggestion Kalniel, might be worth putting in a 'What we know and What is speculation' in your first post to try and reduce the number of ill-informed posts.
There's already a sticky that lists all the official information (what we know) - I don't think we should sticky all speculation as that would basically be the rest of the forums! tonguegre

[kalniel]

hi so if you answer what i asked maybe i would not have to and its not Pointless as i not got a reply yet
As soon as we get any info I will sticky it, I've already said this countless times, and repeating requests for info doesn't do anything to help get it any quicker, it just spams the forums and as such is against the rules, which are linked to on the first post of this thread. Breaking the rules will result in temporary or permenant bans - if you don't agree with this then I suggest you don't post here, however the majority of people seem fine with these rules and are happy to post here while obeying them.

[F_Slim]

As soon as we get any info I will sticky it, I've already said this countless times, and repeating requests for info doesn't do anything to help get it any quicker, it just spams the forums and as such is against the rules, which are linked to on the first post of this thread. Breaking the rules will result in temporary or permenant bans - if you don't agree with this then I suggest you don't post here, however the majority of people seem fine with these rules and are happy to post here while obeying them.
I'm not always happy posting here ...

[kalniel]

I'm not always happy posting here ...
Then don't post here unless you are happy doing so :p

[matelotmike]

hi so if you answer what i asked maybe i would not have to and its not Pointless as i not got a reply yet


maybe you could of taken the time to answer me and not just put the above pointless post ??

also i don't take to lightly to threats as i take it you will ban me if i asked the same thing again but you wont give a answer ??

i came here for help not abuse of mod powers

if you cant help me say so if you don't know say so tell me who can

i will ring up and see if i can talk to some one tomorrow about this i see you are banning users for some times little or no reason are you here to help us or just keep us quiet and hope it all goes away

ah i did have a point must get back to that yea thats it

you can take the time to say i am spamming but not take the same energy to tell me what i would like to know

sc00terx


Hi sc00terx

just noticed your sig and remembered I had to add this to my "Things to do before I die!" list - Come back to Blighty and stand amongst the faithful in the KOP at least once more.

Have you heard of a "Liverpool Hot Leg"?

You'll never walk alone.

Cheers

[Cold-Fission]

There's already a sticky that lists all the official information (what we know) - I don't think we should sticky all speculation as that would basically be the rest of the forums! tonguegre

Well not really, there is a sticky regarding Patch 1 but that really doesnt cover it, all you need to do is say something along the lines of...

Patch 1 has been released and can be found here for the patch notes please go here

Currently there are no official plans for a second patch, however please submit bug reports either to Atari Customer Support or on the forum thread here

Additionally there is no official confirmation on whether the PC version will recieve any downloadable content.

Something along the lines of that.

[kalniel]

Well I've repeatedly said I will sticky any official information - at the moment all information we have is stickied, so I don't understand why people would think I wouldn't continue to do so? :p

I'll try and make the first post here clearer though, thanks :)

[Cold-Fission]

Well I've repeatedly said I will sticky any official information - at the moment all information we have is stickied, so I don't understand why people would think I wouldn't continue to do so? :p

I'll try and make the first post here clearer though, thanks :)

Since the price of the title came down i think alot of new players are visiting the forums who realise they have problems and are looking for solutions, unfortunatly alot of people dont have the patience to look around or use the search tool, they just look for the biggest and most active thread and post there.

[sc00terx]

i pre ordered the game paid for it before it came out did not get it cheap

i have put links on here before to show a few online shops with offers to help some that mite of been banned

i have this game on the ps2 360 and i think on the psp and have paid for them

so to me a lot of money i like this type of game its just the idea of online community it could be so good so much that could be done with this

i came here to ask about a new patch or update not to serch the forum i was hopeing that some one would be of help

i would like this to work on the pc more than any other system but from the looks of it i don`t think that will be the case

this game on the pc look like one of the could of been games and there are a lot

i know nothing will last forever but at least it should work for the life span of the game

and for all that pay for this they should get the ongoing support it needs to be fixed


well to take a name i love and use it here is this so far support and this game on the pc is not a lot of COP

as for if you don't like it here don't post well i would say this if you don't like something you change it i dont give up so easy if you dont like to repeat your self then don't be a mod on a forum you will find that its part of the daily task of being one doing the same stuff every day

also spamm is more to do with same post over and over after each other or adds for some stuff all over the forum not a exscuse for you not to answer some one because you don't think you need to


sorry for all my typos :/


sc00terx

[randomus_r]

There's no news on a second patch, or DLC, that will be stickied if there is. kalniel asked you politely if you would not repeat posts, as it clutters the forums.
Also, you when you sign up to these forums you agree that you will search before you post.

[sc00terx]

There's no news on a second patch, or DLC, that will be stickied if there is. kalniel asked you politely if you would not repeat posts, as it clutters the forums.
Also, you when you sign up to these forums you agree that you will search before you post.


as you can see by my post count i dont post a lot so spamming 1000`s of real bad posts is not what i do

there is a lot of post`s on here that are more like spam than the one i did

i QUOTE`d my frist post as no one had given me a answer as i just felt as it had been overlooked

thanks for your input to this it was so much help and not just more spam

i do wonder how mods get to be mods when they look like they only been on the forum a mater of weeks but thats nothing to do with the patch so i will not go there

thanks

sc00terx

[Cold-Fission]

Why on earth you have all 4 version Scooterx i dont know, but anyone planning to get this id recommend getting the Xbox 360; as its more stable and has better online support with Live and downloadable content (though you have to pay for it)

Also you was mugged on Sunday, wish my team Man U had that excuse

[sc00terx]

Why on earth you have all 4 version Scooterx i dont know, but anyone planning to get this id recommend getting the Xbox 360; as its more stable and has better online support with Live and downloadable content (though you have to pay for it)

Also you was mugged on Sunday, wish my team Man U had that excuse


well as for the footy the ref`s well what can you say they give pens where there is none and don't give them when they should of eh ah well you know being a manu supporter you would go mad if you took every bad ref to hart . its early in the season so i think by the end we both will be at top fiteing for the no1 spot :)

as for me 4 TDU`s ps2 is for my nice the psp i have no idea why i got that lol its well erm :( 360 i had and i had pc but my xbox got well the boot for no good reason as the one i was useing was not moded hmm

so was sorting that out so i could get back on there

but i like the pc more than any other thing as i made the pc myself :)

but yea looks like 360 is way to go for this game ongoing support unlike this place (as in pc part )

so back to the football we take the bad and the good and just keep on supporting the team we love be it manu or liverpool or what ever you support

was anoyed with the player not going to liverpool thoe as if the manager looks back where did the roo come from everton team next door to us hmm i think managers sometimes are worse babys than suportes and they get the big money lol

sc00terx :)

ps sorry for bad typos :)

[sponiar3]

I have some problems with the game and with patch.I start the game,then I begin with playing.I choose the character,then I rent the Lotus Elise on 10 minutes.I bought some house then I bought a car and go on the race.When I get on the race,I click on the singleplayer and then on start but the race(mission honolulu)do not load.I patched it but the problem do not lost.

[darks1de73]

I have some problems with the game and with patch.I start the game,then I begin with playing.I choose the character,then I rent the Lotus Elise on 10 minutes.I bought some house then I bought a car and go on the race.When I get on the race,I click on the singleplayer and then on start but the race(mission honolulu)do not load.I patched it but the problem do not lost.
have you ever got past this point?what is your pc spec?and what are your game settings,when other cars are rendered in a race it puts more strain on your system than driving in normal traffic so info will help see if its your pc spec.

[LeadfootYT]

Hey, does anyone know if the patch (which says "Windows XP" when you go to download it) works with Windows Vista? I'm running Win XP right now, and one player in the game said that he was and it runs fine on Windows Vista (he was the only person I asked, though). Is anyone here running Vista? If so, is there any problems or is it fine with TDU 1.66a? Thanks!

-Leadfoot

P.S. How do I make a signature?

[kalniel]

I have some problems with the game and with patch.I start the game,then I begin with playing.I choose the character,then I rent the Lotus Elise on 10 minutes.I bought some house then I bought a car and go on the race.When I get on the race,I click on the singleplayer and then on start but the race(mission honolulu)do not load.I patched it but the problem do not lost.
Use the original DVD, and nothing else.

[kalniel]

Hey, does anyone know if the patch (which says "Windows XP" when you go to download it) works with Windows Vista? I'm running Win XP right now, and one player in the game said that he was and it runs fine on Windows Vista (he was the only person I asked, though). Is anyone here running Vista? If so, is there any problems or is it fine with TDU 1.66a? Thanks!

-Leadfoot

P.S. How do I make a signature?
Click on User CP and there's an option to edit signature.

I think the XP patch is fine on vista - I can't remember what the patch is actually called, I'll check when I get home.

[popiah123]

Hey guys I just started playing TDU and I loved it 10sur10 , but after hearing that there was a patch so i downloaded it and installed it but after installing the game keeped on crashing................ can anyone help :noooo: :noooo:

[kalniel]

Hmm could be a couple of reasons - start a thread in the tech section and we'll try and help out :)

[BensonJutton]

Hey guys I just started playing TDU and I loved it 10sur10 , but after hearing that there was a patch so i downloaded it and installed it but after installing the game keeped on crashing................ can anyone help :noooo: :noooo:
Try Uninstalling and reinstalling TDU using Kalniels instuctions (backup your saved games) this has worked for a few members :)

[fig_jam_uk]

Hey all, im new to the forums, I have been reading through this thread and I thinks I might have something that may help a few of you, Anyone lucky to have an AMD X2 (Like me tonguegre ) goto the amd webside and look for "dual core optimizer" it certainly doesnt freeze on my machine. Hope this helps a few of you :)

[sneakyface]

Ok, i applied the new patch and i get 10 fps less then before the patch was installed. I have 7600gt.

[randomus_r]

The patch worked fine for me. Pretty much doubled frame rate. Strange :mefiant:
Also? I'm not a spammer. If I was, the mods would've banned me, or at least shouted at me long ago :p

[BensonJutton]

Also? I'm not a spammer. If I was, the mods would've banned me, or at least shouted at me long ago :p
RANDOMUS_R don't tempt me :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[randomus_r]

RANDOMUS_R don't tempt me :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

*gasp* You'd never ban me, would you Benson? :( ;)

[BensonJutton]

*gasp* You'd never ban me, would you Benson? :( ;)
I'd ban every non G25 owner if it was up to me :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[randomus_r]

I'd ban every non G25 owner if it was up to me :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I think I'd better take your G25 away. It's getting to your head :p

[BensonJutton]

I think I'd better take your G25 away. It's getting to your head :p
Sorry it won't happen again :noooo:

[randomus_r]

Sorry it won't happen again :noooo:

Why don't I believe you? :laugh:

[sneakyface]

Why don't I believe you? :laugh:
ok stop with the spamming :nono: :laugh: so can i fix my fps or not?

[randomus_r]

ok stop with the spamming :nono: :laugh: so can i fix my fps or not?

I dunno, what was the problem again :hin: :laugh:
Try following the steps in this (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=65836) thread, see how that goes :)

[sneakyface]

ye checked that thread. it was a clean install. So it doesnt give me any important info.

[Slartibartfast]

Hey all, im new to the forums, I have been reading through this thread and I thinks I might have something that may help a few of you, Anyone lucky to have an AMD X2 (Like me tonguegre ) goto the amd webside and look for "dual core optimizer" it certainly doesnt freeze on my machine. Hope this helps a few of you :)

Thanks Fig_jam and welcome to the forums. For those of you who can't be bothered hunting through a website I have a link here (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html) that takes you straight to the AMD download page.

EDIT: Word of warning, I just tried this and had my PC in a permanent reboot mode. Make sure you have a restore point and a way of accessing them as if the install causes the same problem you won't be able to boot your PC.

[Dengel]

i still cannot safe my replays ... on a simple way , fix that

[DUB_BO1]

Good day, to all present and to those who will be present in the future.
Also, I'd like to wish a good day to those who may have been here previously, and may perhaps return at a future time.

So, this is my first meeting, I mean forum. I purchased this game not 1 hour after it's release, and though I've not had as many issues as most, I've still had more that I think is necessary. Still, what a cool game, yes?

Anywho, the minor issues have not prevented my enjoyment of the game. However, I would love to talk to the bloke who's responsible for letting this game out for four months without any Car-Packs and only ONE (1) update?

Surely, Atari, you lads are joking. Right?

I'm guessing that no one really has any info about this. Or everyone is tired of checking-in/posting here with no news from the Boys in France?

If anyone has some insight, feel free to share...

Thanks, and Cheers.

Oh, and 2 bonus cars released with the "Patch", does not a car-pack make.

[fig_jam_uk]

Thanks Fig_jam and welcome to the forums. For those of you who can't be bothered hunting through a website I have a link here (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html) that takes you straight to the AMD download page.

EDIT: Word of warning, I just tried this and had my PC in a permanent reboot mode. Make sure you have a restore point and a way of accessing them as if the install causes the same problem you won't be able to boot your PC.

Sorry it caused you problems m8, did you recover from it ok?

[F_Slim]

EDIT: Word of warning, I just tried this and had my PC in a permanent reboot mode. Make sure you have a restore point and a way of accessing them as if the install causes the same problem you won't be able to boot your PC.
Lucky me: I didn't have any problems like that.
But it didn't fix anything on TDU either :p

[Denarii]

Anywho, the minor issues have not prevented my enjoyment of the game. However, I would love to talk to the bloke who's responsible for letting this game out for four months without any Car-Packs and only ONE (1) update?

Surely, Atari, you lads are joking. Right?

I'm guessing that no one really has any info about this. Or everyone is tired of checking-in/posting here with no news from the Boys in France?

I totally agree with you. For about a month before the patch came out and about a month after it did, I had my eyes glued to this forum. Now everything has quietened down again, I've stopped visiting regularly and only check-in every so often in the pointless hope that there has been an announcement.

The point is that this game now has a reputation which I don't think can be reversed. The least Atari could do is take all of the cars that are currently available for the Xbox and stick them all on a disc, maybe with a few bugs fixed, and call it an expansion pack. Then they can leave this game and put all their attention into making TDU2 a definite improvement in release date punctuality aswell as general gameplay.

EDIT: That is ofcourse if TDU2 is actually coming. :)

[DUB_BO1]

The least Atari could do is take all of the cars that are currently available for the Xbox and stick them all on a disc, maybe with a few bugs fixed, and call it an expansion pack.

Then they can leave this game and put all their attention into making TDU2 a definite improvement in release date punctuality aswell as general gameplay.

EDIT: That is ofcourse if TDU2 is actually coming. :)


Well, now. That's just about the smartest thing ANYONE has come up with!
And I'm sure Atari would agree, that would be the best course of action, if in fact, they are still putting ANY thought into TDU for us PC users.

What a marvelous idea. Cheers.

[mikeyface]

does anyone know when the next patch will ACTUALLY be released, and what cars it will have in it?, besides F40 and the ZX12R

[LeadfootYT]

does anyone know when the next patch will ACTUALLY be released, and what cars it will have in it?, besides F40 and the ZX12R

No one knows, and here's a list of car packs, not including Pack 5:

http://www.testdriveunlimited.com/download/

-Leadfoot

[Lordmarkus]

Just one thing though, TDU was realesed on 360 in September 2006 but the first real carpacks came in May 2007.

So hopefully Atari are working on something, I hope.

Or else I will be really mad on them...

[Ceano]

I don't care if they will release car packs just fix the game...sound bugs...non working club fetures...a anti cheat system, if they after that will release car packs it is just a bonus...but at least fix the game.

[randomus_r]

Maybe, the devs are working on both and will release all the car packs that are on Xbox, and a special one for PC users, along with a patch that fixes everything! :nuts: No? ;)

_r

[Be_johan_tb]

Maybe, the devs are working on both and will release all the car packs that are on Xbox, and a special one for PC users, along with a patch that fixes everything! :nuts: No? ;)

_r

I can only say: wishfull thinking. I hope so, but.........

[James27uk]

Here you go sort this one out lol rolleyesa
Bought the game today and installed it went into online play and setup my profile with the gamespy link etc.
Got a message saying an update was available and needed to download this to play online so I did(re directed to the community site link)
Installed the patch 1.66a and restarted the computer jsut in case.
Started the game but still shows version 1.45 underneath the loaded page and keeps telling me there is an updtae for the program and to download it.
If I click on the downloaded patch again it says my file is already updated????
Its driving me nuts :mefiant:

Any ideas :hin:

[kalniel]

Try the sticky in the PC tech forum.

[James27uk]

Thanks for that kalniel that worked a treat hope to see you online at some point.

[joshbrailsford]

Hi this is the 1.66A patch your'e talking about? If it is has anyone downloaded it and found that only the Skyline works? When I downloaded it I went to the Audi dealer first but every time I enter it it says network connection lost, is it supposed to say this even if I'm offline. Anyway because the game closes automatically after that, I can't buy the RS4. If anyone knows what's gone wrong please could you let me know,

cheers

[kalniel]

Just to note I've added carpacks to the title of this thread. We've still not had any word on whether they will ever come to the PC or not, but if you want to discuss the possibility then this is the place. Note I said 'discuss' - posts just demanding things or complaining tersely fall under the non-constructive post rule.

[randomus_r]

Well I noticed the 6th car pack has been confirmed for Xbox, and a lot of the Xbox forum users think this'll be the last one. Moving onto PC perhaps?

[kalniel]

Well I noticed the 6th car pack has been confirmed for Xbox, and a lot of the Xbox forum users think this'll be the last one. Moving onto PC perhaps?
Why do they think it's the last one? I'm sure they've not run out of possible cars and bikes already :nuts:

I'm not sure that the either system has an effect on the other though - the x360 carpacks didn't stop us from getting the skyline and audi.

The real barrier to PC carpacks in my humble opinion is some kind of charging/authentication scheme. The xbox has a well established method built in, but to develop a whole system for the PC would take a huge amount of resources which I think would be very hard to justify given the potential returns. Hopefully they'll consider releasing them for free, which would avoid such issues, however I remember from the Oblivion download content that it's not always contractually easy to charge for something over xbox live then release it for free on other systems.

If you can't release it for paid download, and can't release it for free, then the only other option is to make some kind of expansion disk.. but then the publishing and distribution costs are significant and only viable if you expect relatively large returns, which I'm not sure they would as carpacks are really only micro transactions - I don't think Knights of the Nine sold anything like as well as Shivering Isles (Oblivion) for example.

In short, even to my unknowing observation, it seems like quite a dilemma and I can understand why we've not heard anything so far about it.

[xRoniNx]

Here what i think, they forgot about us ( PC USERS ), they dont care anymore about car packs or fixes as i can see, many of tdu users are having some trouble about a bug that make then get frozen.

As we can see Xbox have many car packs and we just got one pack, and also the TDU TRAFFIC FOR PC is AWAYS Jammed, im rly Desapointed with ATARI, they said in their official website "Together we will create a Legend"
Bah is that rly true ? Well i dont think so , they dont even care about what we think here, the moderators are the only ones that ready our topics and our complains about it.

Damn, if they want this game be a legend, they rly should hear us or their objective will fail.

Yes im Removed, i have like 50+ friends here that bought the retail Pc version of Tdu, that are Removed, so ATARI its time to you and its up to you finish your unfinished business with us... As you guys can see im not the only one who rly want changes on TDU.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[BensonJutton]

Here what i think, they forgot about us ( PC USERS ), they dont care anymore about car packs or fixes as i can see, many of tdu users are having some trouble about a bug that make then get frozen.

As we can see Xbox have many car packs and we just got one pack, and also the TDU TRAFFIC FOR PC is AWAYS Jammed, im rly Desapointed with ATARI, they said in their official website "Together we will create a Legend"
Bah is that rly true ? Well i dont think so , they dont even care about what we think here, the moderators are the only ones that ready our topics and our complains about it.

Damn, if they want this game be a legend, they rly should hear us or their objective will fail.

Yes im Removed, i have like 50+ friends here that bought the retail Pc version of Tdu, that are Removed, so ATARI its time to you and its up to you finish your unfinished business with us... As you guys can see im not the only one who rly want changes on TDU.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Read the rules on swearing :nono: have 3 days holiday to brush up on them

[Ceano]

As we can see Xbox have many car packs and we just got one pack, and also the TDU TRAFFIC FOR PC is AWAYS Jammed, im rly Desapointed with ATARI, they said in their official website "Together we will create a Legend"
Bah is that rly true ? Well i dont think so....

Well the game has become a legend already...a legend of fiasco :laugh:

[LeadfootYT]

Thanks for adding "carpack" to the thread title. I really hope that the common rumor about the first (though some might count the patch as the first, I personally don't think it counts to much, because many xBox 360 users already had those cars-some promotional deal or somthing) carpack coming on Sunday, the 30th, Monday, October 1st, or September 31 :mefiant: will be true. I REALLY hope it's true...
What cars are supposed to be in the 6th xBox car pack? Does anyone happen to know? Just wondering...

-Leadfoot

[miras19]

I just duno why you are talking about car packs for the X-box.

Please can somebody give me a clear answer, is there any car pack beside the Skyline coming to the PC Version? In few days maybe?

Thx In advance

Regards

[LeadfootYT]

I just duno why you are talking about car packs for the X-box.

Please can somebody give me a clear answer, is there any car pack beside the Skyline coming to the PC Version? In few days maybe?

Thx In advance

Regards

We are all wondering why the people at Atari/Eden give xBox 360 users cars, and not us. Sometimes we will mention the X360 packs to try to guess what will turn up if PC ever gets anything (and I REALLY, REALLY hope we do!). Here's the link to the xBox 360 D/L page. It doesn't show Pack 5, the new one. A quick search will reveal what's in that. It has the Ferrari 308 (yes, I know it's a cheap Ferrari, but I like it), and some more. http://www.testdriveunlimited.com/download/


I REALLY hope that it will come on any of the date's mentioned above (excluding the 31st tonguegre ), or maybe sometime in the near future. Oh, and many people have spotted filler cars roaming the streets (the main beta testers are Cwinger26 and SlamDunkErnest), and I really hope we get some RUFs and Ferraris, and, well, a patch and some DLC cars.

-Leadfoot

[calster17]

ok...That Made Me Angry(not you...or the post) it's the Fact they get:
(just car's that i like/want)
*McLaren F1 GT
* Dodge Viper SRT-10 Coupe
*Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR
* Ferrari F40
* Lamborghini Countach 25th anniversary
* Ferrari 250 GTO
*TVR T440R
*Ferrari Challenge Stradale(a Ferrari 360 sports's)
and last and theone i want most....
* Dino 246 GT

Grrrrrrrr......i want them nowcry:, i'd sell my real Ferrari Dino for them(lol..i don;t have a REAL dino...or i'd be doing TDU...but in the REAL O'ahu RIGHT NOW!)

The car's that a want most..TDU Style:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z23/calster-17/untitled-8.jpg
(sorry for the bad image...and the long post!)

[LeadfootYT]

The CLK-GTR (no CLK-LMs for me thank you) was my all time favorite car after NFS: HP1 came out. It's still on my top-ten list, though the top-three keeps changing around.
That list is basically mine, except that angle on the SRT-10 (which I know is a nice looking car) and T440R is not the best, and I might add the RUF RT 12, RTurbo - I like Porsches, and not neccesarily the color black, but it's the closest thing to the black Turbo from Need For Speed: Porsche Unleashed, don't know if you've ever played it, it's a great game, one of the best in the NFS series), and (possibly) the M400.
And I'd like to have the IS350, just as something with four doors that I can throw around on one of those mountain roads... :)

And the Dino would be a nice cruising car...
-Leadfoot

[bkvjR33]

would love to see the following cars added sooner or later...

Ferrari F40
Lamborghini Diablo GT
Lamborghini coutach
Ferrari 360 challenge stradale
Ruf Rt12
edonis :nuts:
lexus GS450
murcielago roadster


that'll do nicely for a bit.

sure more is even better but i cant see that happening anytime soon.

[calster17]

I'd Just Take the Dino.....i LOVE that car! more than a £5 note!

OutRun 2006 has them and is the only game i know that has them......my First proper Liking of a Ferrari(loved the car since i was 5!)

[h4P3Rb01a]

Look, http://www.dailymotion.com/akaangus/video/5199858 :atari:

[LeadfootYT]

Ding! Ding! Ding!


There's probably no car packs, but today's the 30th...

-Leadfoot

[miras19]

What a surprise rolleyesa :salut2:

[calster17]

what...where we ment to be getting Carpacks? or is that for the X-Box users?

[LeadfootYT]

what...where we ment to be getting Carpacks? or is that for the X-Box users?

It was a rumor on a Hungarian forum somewhere. But probably none today. Hopefully tomorrow.... well, hopefully soon.

-Leadfoot

[miras19]

I'm curious is this really so hard to make a car patch? They have all the data in the X-Box Version, so thereby is this frustrating to see that they have the cars and we don’t. How long can take a conversion into the PC? Please dear development team, explain something, because we also spend money for the product, and we demand something.

You shouldn’t also favor only one platform, and the other leave only with two extra cars, it’s just unfair. I feel discriminated and forgotten. At least you should give a Official info, about if you work or not, at something like a car patch, not only a suggestions from mods and admins.

I’m studding Public Relation here in Poland, and our lecturer/teacher sad, that our country, thanks to the Soviet Union to the 1989 is 10 years behind in PR in comparison to the western countries. But as I see Atari is far more behind even from Polish companies. The lack of Information make trigger me to a one conclusion, that I will not buy another product from you.

Regards

[kalniel]

I'm curious is this really so hard to make a car patch? They have all the data in the X-Box Version, so thereby is this frustrating to see that they have the cars and we don’t. How long can take a conversion into the PC?
See my earlier post in this thread about the problems.

[matelotmike]

See my earlier post in this thread about the problems.
Hi, thank you for a considered and objective and most importantly, a relevent viewpoint on the non issuing of TDU PC DLC. I concur entirely and by a spooky coincidence had the very same discussion with experienced senior programmers (not ATARI or EDEN) currently working on a different and very successful online PC game, who also shared your opinions.

In addition, they also talked about the post issue of DLC pirating and how easy that is for PC content, which is just another reason for any Development/Publishing company to consider given the small amount of revenue any DLC of carpacks would raise.

The wonder is that any DLC is produced and set in context with the other issues regarding TDU who, in a business sense, would regard our need for DLC as a sound reason for commiting any resources to it at all!

Anything that does appear should be seen as a real bonus, irrespective of the moral rights or wrongs of issue/non issue.

Cheers

[Cold-Fission]

Kalniel arguement about car packs is a good one, but you also need to consider the fact that they added 2 cars in with the 1.66 patch and we didnt have to pay for that. I dont see the argument that contractually they must charge for PC packs because they do on the Xbox 360.

Microsoft probably charge Atari x amount to host thier content and so Atari pass the expense onto the user, this isnt the case with the PC and Atari already have the infrastructure in place to host a patch.

I agree with you about the expansion option, there just isnt enough content to warrant it.

Lastly you have to consider what they advertised both on the website (suggesting we would get car packs) and on the jewel case cover (showing cars that arent in the retail version) Legally if its advertised on the box it should be in the game.

[kalniel]

Hi, thank you for a considered and objective and most importantly, a relevent viewpoint on the non issuing of TDU PC DLC. I concur entirely and by a spooky coincidence had the very same discussion with experienced senior programmers (not ATARI or EDEN) currently working on a different and very successful online PC game, who also shared your opinions.

In addition, they also talked about the post issue of DLC pirating and how easy that is for PC content, which is just another reason for any Development/Publishing company to consider given the small amount of revenue any DLC of carpacks would raise.

The wonder is that any DLC is produced and set in context with the other issues regarding TDU who, in a business sense, would regard our need for DLC as a sound reason for commiting any resources to it at all!

Anything that does appear should be seen as a real bonus, irrespective of the moral rights or wrongs of issue/non issue.

Cheers
*nods* I agree, especially the last sentance :)

DLC for the PC has only been shown to work in two situations as far as I know -
1) You can afford to 'give' the DLC away so you release it without a robust authentication scheme and charge the same price as xbox live, knowing full well it'll be pirated.

2) You have a market that accepts a robust online verification system, even though it gets in the way.

Number one happened with Oblivion - DLC was released with only superficial security and they quickly found their way around the web. However Bethsoft are in a rather unique situation - they are the only major developer left who self-publish. The 'nominal' charge for DLC fulfilled their contractual obligations to Microsoft, while they could afford to loose the sales of DLC, and they could afford to produce a DVD of DLC content that doesn't sell.. yet after all that they still ended up going down the route of a traditional expansion pack in the end.

Number two happened with Neverwinter Nights (1) - DLC was released with an online authentication system that required authentication over the internet every time you start or load a game. Lots of people complained. It's not trivial, it's a major pain etc. And lots of people who would otherwise buy DLC didn't because of this.

The best situation where this works is actually something that you're online with all the time anyway, for example Guild Wars - micropayments work in that game because you are playing off central servers anyway and authenticating for every session. This, IMHO, holds the best hope for TDU, in that we already have an online authentication system in place. However, this would restrict DLC to online accounts only - a compromise not many people would be willing to make. Then you have to balance this reduced demand against the development/maintenance costs as mentioned before.

A final alternative is a slight shift in direction - episodic gaming. Rather than buy a main game and then add-ons to that, you buy complete and stand-alone products which can be authenticated seperately. Examples include Nintendogs, pokemon, Guild Wars and Half-life 2. As far as TDU goes, you could split the game into packs - a Ferrari pack, a Lambourghini pack etc. - each of which would be a self contained/authenticated game but if combined would enable the amalgomation of cars/tracks. This is an interesting direction, but there are increased costs all round - each game has to be fully tested and complete, gamers are buying the same game engine three times, and each game has to be proper value in it's own right. Despite the recent activity in this area, it doesn't appear to have been hugely sucessful in Western markets - Valve have stated they're probably going to drop it, Guild Wars has gone back to traditional expansions.

So these are interesting times, but the only thing that is certain is that you can't just say 'well it works for xbox so it must work for the PC' :)

[kalniel]

Kalniel arguement about car packs is a good one, but you also need to consider the fact that they added 2 cars in with the 1.66 patch and we didnt have to pay for that. I dont see the argument that contractually they must charge for PC packs because they do on the Xbox 360. Note we only got the cars which were free on the Xbox in the first place...

Lastly you have to consider what they advertised both on the website (suggesting we would get car packs) and on the jewel case cover (showing cars that arent in the retail version) Legally if its advertised on the box it should be in the game.
The game case isn't a valid example - you are allowed a certain amount of variation between development shots (used in the manufacture of the case) and the final version. The fact that we don't have one car pictured yet do have hundreds of others that aren't pictured, shows that on the balance we recieved more cars than the packaging leads us to believe, thus it's in our favour.

I was never too sure about the website - technically we did get extra cars in the patch, so they might have fulfilled any obligations (if any) that were outstanding.

[Cold-Fission]

Note we only got the cars which were free on the Xbox in the first place...

Okay i wasnt a aware of that and thats fair, but i still dont agree that they contractually must charge for it. It would make sense finacially of course as its another source of revenue but that must be out layed by cos of getting to the point where you can generate a return, and in this case its difficult.

The game case isn't a valid example - you are allowed a certain amount of variation between development shots (used in the manufacture of the case) and the final version. The fact that we don't have one car pictured yet do have hundreds of others that aren't pictured, shows that on the balance we recieved more cars than the packaging leads us to believe, thus it's in our favour.

I was never too sure about the website - technically we did get extra cars in the patch, so they might have fulfilled any obligations (if any) that were outstanding.

Legally the fact there are hundreds of other cars in the game other than the one shown on the retail case is irrelevant. A prehaps over dramatic metaphor would be you buying a car with all the specs listed out but it had no engine. I dont think you'd agree with the salesman when he says "well its got a cup holder and a cubby hole behind the handbrake so that makes up for it".

Legally it is mis-representation of a product and if anyone had the spare change to do so could go to court.

[kalniel]

Legally the fact there are hundreds of other cars in the game other than the one shown on the retail case is irrelevant. A prehaps over dramatic metaphor would be you buying a car with all the specs listed out but it had no engine. I dont think you'd agree with the salesman when he says "well its got a cup holder and a cubby hole behind the handbrake so that makes up for it". Not just over-dramatic - completely inapplicable :p In that example the car would not be fit for the advertised purpose - ie, being able to be driven. The purpose of TDU is something like 'drive lots of cars around a nice island', this purpose is fully met, legally, even if one car is missing and lots of cars are gained.

Legally it is mis-representation of a product and if anyone had the spare change to do so could go to court.I don't agree, and it seems no-one has managed to bring it sucessfully to court either.

[M-Tuning]

I hope the packs come very soon,

I've playing TDU a lot, but the last couple of months not anymore.

So I hope they bring the new cars soon.

[calster17]

Heres what i'm wanting......an offical YES or a NO

Please tell us!

[kalniel]

Heres what i'm wanting......an offical YES or a NO

Please tell us!
If we hear anything official it will be posted in an official news thread. Please do not keep asking for an answer - I've given that answer and it will remain the case.

[Chicane-UK]

I got a bee in my bonnet about this the other day and did some searching through the manual and through the Atari site.

Nowhere do they mention downloadable content.

We, basically assumed (and fairly so I might add) it would get downloadable content because of pics of cars that are not in the game, licenses for cars that are no in the game, and the fact that the Xbox 360 had downloadable content. Atari have though, at no point that I can find, said that there will be downloadable content for the PC version - even if all the clues hint that there would / should have been.

So ultimately, there would never be any chance in court. Assuming you guys were that annoyed you ever wanted to go that far.

Still want some car packs though ;)

[Peter1987]

I got a bee in my bonnet about this the other day and did some searching through the manual and through the Atari site.

Nowhere do they mention downloadable content.


This is not true! Take a look at the official Test Drive Unlimited PC site on the Game info page. "The vehicles: 90 licensed vehicles on disc from exclusive manufacturers including Lamborghini, Ducati, Aston Martin, Mercedes, Saleen, Shelby and Jaguar, with vehicle packs featuring six or more cars or bikes avaiable for download periodically after launch".

And, why would they not release them if they have tested them? Think about Cwininger and SlamDunkErnest! They're sure Atari testers! Actually in the american forums they linked some sites for a few games, where Cwininger's name mentioned as a tester in the credits! (If I remember good his name is Cameo Wininger) So, sure there will be carpacks, all we need is to wait for them. But, this is a painful wait... I want to drive all of them! :nuts:

[Cold-Fission]

Thats a very tenuous link to be fair, it could easily have been someone altering files and testing them out. The fact that they've been seen driving normal cars as well suggests to me they are just modding the game and are happy to go along with the community thinking they are god like testers. He may well be a tester or has been but that doesnt automatically make him one for Atari. The fact we've heard nothing from Atari or thier admin here for months suggests to me that nothing will happen.

[Peter1987]

They're working on bugfixing too, and many cars have problems. f.e.: Volkswagen Golf's speedometer shows that you're going with 100kph when you're going with 200!:) And I have seen similar problems for many cars, Audi A6, Dodge Viper, etc.

The fact that they don't say anything doesn't mean anything. Look, they didn't say a word for 2 months after the first patch about the second. I imagine that the cars will come with the second patch.

Oh, and hope dies last!:)

[Cold-Fission]

Sorry to relieve myself on your fireworks so to speak but that 'news' wasnt official (it was on the german forums and wasnt replicated anywhere else) and only said they were looking at the problems with the game. It by no means says that they are going to make a second patch, and considering the lack of any information on what Atari's plans for TDU in the future, i think its foolhardy to expect anything less than nothing.

[Peter1987]

Don't be so pessimistic!:) They must do something or they'll lose their customers!

[fig_jam_uk]

I personally dont care about extra cars, I just want the game to run properly lolblue:

[kalniel]

Sorry to relieve myself on your fireworks so to speak but that 'news' wasnt official (it was on the german forums and wasnt replicated anywhere else) and only said they were looking at the problems with the game. It by no means says that they are going to make a second patch, and considering the lack of any information on what Atari's plans for TDU in the future, i think its foolhardy to expect anything less than nothing.
Actually I can confirm it was official, but I didn't copy it because a) it wasn't anything new b) the request was limited to the German forums (we already have our own structured bug reporting thread) c) there was no official English translation so I would have only been able to quote the German statement, which isn't appropriate for the UK boards.

You'll be pleased to know we're working on some methods to get information like this distributed better in an official manner though.

[h4P3Rb01a]

What do you think of this Idea? Because i'm willing if you are?

The McLaren F1 GT not the McLaren F1 LM...If only Atari and Eden could make a Car Pack which includes the aforementioned car and the CLK GTR?

Atari and Eden, can you spare those cars and a patch in a DVD that can be counted as an expansion pack for PC Players to Purchase? for the Price of $10.99. Do you think i'm asking for much Atari and Eden?
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[h4P3Rb01a]

Including the McLaren F1 LM...sorry... :salut2:

[kalniel]

Interesting idea. I don't know how cheap you can publish DVDs these days at retail - £5.50 doesn't leave a lot spare for logistic costs etc.

What's the cheapest expansion pack you've seen on new release at retail? Ten pounds seems about the cheapest I can think of, with 15 being more usual.

[Dopefish]

[...] The fact that they don't say anything doesn't mean anything. Look, they didn't say a word for 2 months after the first patch about the second. I imagine that the cars will come with the second patch.
First patch? What are you talking about? I haven't seen any patch until now. All we've got so far are two silly cars and an update of the copy protection. No bugfixes for me at all! Corrupted savegames are still occuring as well as many other things this "patch" should have fixed. But in fact it didn't fix anything, at least not for the majority of people.

Thats a very tenuous link to be fair, it could easily have been someone altering files and testing them out. The fact that they've been seen driving normal cars as well suggests to me they are just modding the game and are happy to go along with the community thinking they are god like testers. He may well be a tester or has been but that doesnt automatically make him one for Atari. The fact we've heard nothing from Atari or thier admin here for months suggests to me that nothing will happen.
100% correct my friend. I'm also thinking that the guys seen in the game with the default car were nothing but mod-testers and not official ATARI employees. So I guess there's no carpack coming for the PC since we didn't get any official statement from ATARI mentioning one.

[...] You'll be pleased to know we're working on some methods to get information like this distributed better in an official manner though.
I would be pleased to know that ATARI is working on a patch, but since this is not the case (according to the official "news" from ATARI on the German board) they are neither working on a patch nor on a carpack.

@kalniel: I hope my language is appropriate this time, so you have no reason to ban me again ;)

[kalniel]

First patch? What are you talking about? I haven't seen any patch until now. All we've got so far are two silly cars and an update of the copy protection. No bugfixes for me at all! Corrupted savegames are still occuring as well as many other things this "patch" should have fixed. But in fact it didn't fix anything, at least not for the majority of people. Well I think it's very hard for any one of us to claim we speak for the majority of people. The patch certainly improved my game, and I know it did for several others. Of course, the ones with problems have the loudest voices so it can seem disproportionate.


100% correct my friend. I'm also thinking that the guys seen in the game with the default car were nothing but mod-testers and not official ATARI employees. So I guess there's no carpack coming for the PC since we didn't get any official statement from ATARI mentioning one. Correct - there's no official news and until there is we just don't know. We've already highlighted several reasons why they might not happen earlier in this thread.

I would be pleased to know that ATARI is working on a patch, but since this is not the case (according to the official "news" from ATARI on the German board) they are neither working on a patch nor on a carpack. They don't rule out working on a patch - they don't say anything one way or another. But they do acknowledge that some people are saying they have problems - that's already a huge step that many publishers/developers don't reach.

[calster17]

Interesting idea. I don't know how cheap you can publish DVDs these days at retail - £5.50 doesn't leave a lot spare for logistic costs etc.

What's the cheapest expansion pack you've seen on new release at retail? Ten pounds seems about the cheapest I can think of, with 15 being more usual.

I got a Sim's 2 expansion pack a week after it came out for £15!!!

[Chicane-UK]

The patch did fix some things for me and break others. One thing it did break was random graphical corruption when you changed screen modes or when you first loaded the game.. it was worth it for that alone!

[calster17]

i've had NO trubles with TDU....apert from the old Graphices card!(but thats my falt!)

[jamie_dodger_11]

but now you have a NEW graphics card. isnt that right!

[calster17]

er...um......yes...and theres been no probles, now lets get back on topic!:)

[jamie_dodger_11]

yes back to topic... which wos... er

[calster17]

getting car packs!:)

[Blazingfirespeed151]

I just Came back And i last heard some rumors of a car pack is that Comfiremed?

[calster17]

i last heard some rumors of a car pack is that Comfiremed?

REALLY,REALLY??!!!??....i hope so! where did you her that from?

[Blazingfirespeed151]

Its Just Rumors :S basiclly i was wondering if its true because there was an old topic sating Due In late 2007

[Ceano]

There has been NO official confirmation of any car pack in the make, just the 2 cars that came with the latest patch.

[Dopefish]

There is a carpack coming for 7 months now, but since it's not officially confirmed yet, I doubt we'll ever see one.

[SJ_INSTG8R]

My goodness this forum still exists? Heck are the Servers still up?? You still havent fixed the last joke of a patch yet?...lets just say Im not the least bit surprised(okay the fact that this forum is still active was a bit of a shock)

Carpacks tho? highly unlikely not even worth discussing IMHO.

All beta testing feedback was ignored the same as you all are here(sorry I tried my best)

[Blazingfirespeed151]

There is a carpack coming for 7 months now, but since it's not officially confirmed yet, I doubt we'll ever see one.
*sigh* another 7 months :(

[Sh4dow_racer]

My goodness this forum still exists? Heck are the Servers still up?? You still havent fixed the last joke of a patch yet?...lets just say Im not the least bit surprised(okay the fact that this forum is still active was a bit of a shock)

Carpacks tho? highly unlikely not even worth discussing IMHO.

All beta testing feedback was ignored the same as you all are here(sorry I tried my best)

Well I think the forum is still alive mainly because of the great community of players. I really like it here, despite the fact that I've almost stopped playing TDU. It really shows that TDU has a lot of success even though there's no support whatsoever (I don't consider the one little 10 line news we got 3 weeks ago as support).

I've also stopped hopping for a pack to come, obviously they couldn't care less about giving us some additional content on PC :noooo:

[calster17]

i stoped hoping last week...but if we all had our Signature to 'we have been waiting too long for our carpack...give it to us now' or 'Please,please can we have a car pack'

but even THAT won't work!

[Sh4dow_racer]

It wouldn't make a difference because atari devs and all the chaps responsible for car packs aren't looking in here anyway...

[simmons2007]

The Patch is a fudging joke it makes my game worse slows it down, corrupted data is the norm for me i've had an hours play out of this game with it working fine once, that being way back in the start of september, i've givin up.
As for ATARI i'll be leaving them a lengthy email telling them what i think!!!!

[calster17]

Don't send them an E-Mail:nono: .....they've meybe got SO much that if they get anymore teh WHOLE internet will Clog up!

[simmons2007]

erm like i care

[FFF_Silencer]

patch and car pack will come octember 35th 200never

[simmons2007]

yeap sounds bout right

[Ceano]

We all should spam them with thousands of e-mail :laugh:

[calster17]

thats a good plan...but if they find out...it's nothing to do with me!

[Blazingfirespeed151]

We all should spam them with thousands of e-mail :laugh:
Like it Im Pumped :D

[jamie_dodger_11]

it doesnt bother me... only because i dont even have the PC version of TDU. only psp version. u shud all be happy. psp doesnt even EVER get patches 4 TDU :cry:

[calster17]

but theres no probles with it......i know i got it and use it alot!

And theres les PSP users for TDU than PC!

[jamie_dodger_11]

yeh still... it would be nice if we got some...

[enzo612430599]

-FERRARI 612 Scagelietti
-Ferrari F430 Scuderia
-Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 and Roadster
-Lamborghini Murcielago Roadster
-Lamborghini Gallardo Coupe
-BUGGATI VEYRON 16.4
-Koenigsegg CCX
-PAgani Zonda F and roadster
-Ferrari FXX
-Porsche 911 Turbo
-Porsche Carrera GT
-Porsche 911 GT3-RS
-Lamborghini GAllardo SUPERLEGGERA
-Audi R8



please add more suggestions thanks-----(; :atari:



turtle.

[jamie_dodger_11]

if you got the veyron it would cost so much to license it would be the only car on the game... even the traffic would be veyrons :laugh: :updown:

[LeadfootYT]

They wouldn't even let Top Gear do a lap test in it... For some reason, they let them do a top speed test and have it race a plane across several countries (I love those TG challenges though. At least Buggati let them do that).

-Leadfoot

[Juunaz]

They let Fifth Gear to test Veyron on a track and now on the new season of Top Gear, there will be a "race" between a jetfighter and the Veyron :P

[Juunaz]

...and it might be, that now that the Veyron is in its final shape and possible early state mistakes/problems have been sorted out, from the experience of many sold cars, they let also Top Gear to do a lap in it on their track.

Fifth Gear got the chance to test the car on a track in the first episode of the new season. They got to test it in the supervision of the Bugatti staff.

[enzo612430599]

There should also be a Ferrari 250 GTO mdr1 Ferrasri 512tr ASton MArtin V8 Vanatage Roadster

I hope somehow Atari will get a license toi the VEYRON. its so worth it 253mph 0-60 in 2.5. common.

[calster17]

I hope we get a few more Lotus!....340R?EuropaS?

But i would like the Ferrari Dino,F40/50,daytona,360 and a few others.....

[Peter1987]

I would like to see the Chevrolet Lacetti and the Alfa Romeo 156:) They have the licence for both, so why not? If they will release Audi A4 for PC too, we will have the DTM:) If they release the Lacetti and Alfa, we could get a little piece of WTCC! Maybe they could be tuned into touring cars:)

[randomus_r]

Or you could just go buy Race 07...

[Peter1987]

I have Race:) Just they could be good for cruising too, and we could have the stock version of both, not just the touring car.. If you think over Chevrolet Lacetti, I think the untuned version is more beautiful f.e.:) But the tuned has good performance.. + They could be a good competition for Saturn Sky, as that car is alone yet... rolleyesa (I think, much faster than SSR, but slower than the others)

[Blazingfirespeed151]

I have Race:) Just they could be good for cruising too, and we could have the stock version of both, not just the touring car.. If you think over Chevrolet Lacetti, I think the untuned version is more beautiful f.e.:) But the tuned has good performance.. + They could be a good competition for Saturn Sky, as that car is alone yet... rolleyesa (I think, much faster than SSR, but slower than the others)
Is it better that TDU? im planning on getting it

[kalniel]

It's better for track racing, obviously, and worse for cruising/car collecting, obviously :p

[Blazingfirespeed151]

It's better for track racing, obviously, and worse for cruising/car collecting, obviously :p
Hmm... What kind of crusing is it?

[randomus_r]

None, it's purely track based. It's the official World Touring Car Championship game, that includes WTCC '07, '06, '87,Forumla 3000, Formula BMW, Caterham Challenge, Mini Cooper Challenge and 'Radical' racing series. :)

EDIT: Official Site: http://www.race-game.org/race07/index.htm

[calster17]

i seen that game in 'GAME' and it had a free caterham add on!...but my mind was on TDu that day(the very day i got TDU!)

[randomus_r]

That was probably Race '06, 'cause Race '07 doesn't come out 'til tomorrow :p And has Caterhams included this time.

[calster17]

mmmmmmm.....i would get ti, but i just spent all my money on a PS3(got it cheaper for a MeGa Deal...long story) and the money left is going towards ProStreet.....yeh...call me a ned, but NFS has now moved on from cop's Vs Modder's!


but i was thinking of getting 'GTR2' for PC, is it any good?

[randomus_r]

I've heard it's a very good game. Download the BMW M3 Challenge (www.m3-challenge.com) as I think it's based on the same platform, just slightly better GFX.

[calster17]

wait......i like 'Race 07'....i just played the demo and it ROCKES!!!!!!!

AND they have stuff to mix car classes (caterhams and mini's anyone?)..plue i tink you can mod some car's paint work!!!!

i'll problay get it!(after i get prostreet!)

[randomus_r]

Yeah, you can download skin templates from the website, and do your own, a bit like Forza, if I'm not mistaken, and it's also possible to add new cars and tracks.

[calster17]

oh.....can you use the 'Custum painted cars' online?

[randomus_r]

Um, I don't know. I'll try and find out...

[calster17]

i will...but that will be in about december...no...Feb 08(got to wait till after xmas, got to get prezis for people!:))

[Peter1987]

I've heard it's a very good game. Download the BMW M3 Challenge (www.m3-challenge.com) as I think it's based on the same platform, just slightly better GFX.

WOW! That game is FREEWARE! I've bought Race for only 10$-s, then this game comes and this time it's free???? lolblue: I don't believe it!!! I've started downloading:)

Edit: I've tried it! Yes, this uses the GTR 2 engine. Very good:)...

[Ceano]

Race 07
and
BMW M3 Challenge
is boring games, i don't like track racing because it gets old and repeatedly very fast.

[LeadfootYT]

I love M3-Challenge, and the fact that i can use my G25 fully and it has good graphics and the V8 M3, and the 'Ring, and it's free just makes it better.
Race 07 is on the way. I have the demo, and it seems like it should be good. I have to set the G25 on 265-degrees or something, different than TDU for the best realism in the steering, though...

-Leadfoot

[DUB_BO1]

I must concur; GTR 2, RACE, and M3 Challenge, while quite different from TDU (and much more fun, IMO) are terrific games and have no problem keeping my interest far longer than TDU. The ability to add tracks, and not just real tracks, but anything you can dream of, make them all the better.

Sidenote: I do find it a little sad that this forum has now been reduced to talking about other games. TDU is truly dead. Long live track racing.

Perhaps I'll forward my copy of TDU to Atari. Maybe they can recycle it into something useful.

See you all in the next forum. Goodbye.

[calster17]

Perhaps I'll forward my copy of TDU to Atari. Maybe they can recycle it into something useful.

See you all in the next forum. Goodbye.

maby Atari will turn your copy into a Cup Holder....and ue the box to hold Another CD in!:hin:

and goodbye!

[Blazingfirespeed151]

and goodbye!huh? You leaving??

[calster17]

no....the person who posted befour me said goodbye! so i think it's nice if was say 'bye' back!...like if your leaving a friends house....they say 'bye' and you say 'Bye' back!

[DUB_BO1]

Thanks, Calster17. Good racing... Bye.

[ScreamGT]

So a serious question:

Will there be a carpack released for TDU? Is there any news? Release dates? Cars?

[Dopefish]

Serious answer:

Maybe. No. No. No.

[CLR-AMG]

Only news I've heared sofar was that this Cwiniger26 guy has been spotted a while ago in cars we do have, Ford GT and Enzo were mentioned.

That could mean 3 things:

A carpack is coming, cars have been tested now and approved
A carpack is not coming, those guys were ''modders'' or hackers, fooling most of us
A carpack is not coming, Atari/Eden gave us false hope and are rofling ever since

[randomus_r]

Wasn't that from the Xmods bloke from the US forums that fakes loads of stuff?

[calster17]

Atari Gave me False hope of having the Ferrari 250GTO and Ferrari 360(or 360CS).....there on the Box, but there not in the game!..makes me sad:(

[ScreamGT]

Its just so dumb and useless from atari to bring more than 30 cars extra to the Xbox and let the PC players... like litteraly [removed] behind.


They got already problems with money situations or something.. Now they see why. Get some car packs out and move to TDU 2 ... :salut2:

[Dopefish]

Wasn't that from the Xmods bloke from the US forums that fakes loads of stuff?
Actually it was me who saw Cwininger26 lately driving those two cars. I'm a quite reliable source concerning these informations, whereas the other dudes at the US forums are not. They faked a lot of pictures and spreaded false information concerning the ability to mod TDU as well as potential carpacks. I don't believe their rumours until a carpack arrives...which is most likely never going to happen.

[randomus_r]

Actually it was me who saw Cwininger26 lately driving those two cars. I'm a quite reliable source concerning these informations, whereas the other dudes at the US forums are not. They faked a lot of pictures and spreaded false information concerning the ability to mod TDU as well as potential carpacks. I don't believe their rumours until a carpack arrives...which is most likely never going to happen.

Oh, okay. I'd only seen it from the bloke at the US forums. :respect: :)

[bikash]

ok, it's not fair, the game could have been great.. now it was great for 2 months.. i'm not realy gonna drive the same cars on the same island over & over again.. just sold tdu cause it's not intresting anymore...the constant waiting and guessing anoys people, tough i realise it is a luxary product, there are other games to you know..
sry for gramar faults..

[Devilbound]

I would like to say something here, but in all honesty, I don't dare, because posting in this thread seems to be hard without criticizing Atari and I don't think I can do that anymore...

I am serious: I really fear to get, well, I don't even dare say that word for fear of getting the said procedure, you know, so I feel I can't criticize much anything anymore, I'm just at loss at for which words I would be allowed to use, and not get thatted.

I am not joking here. I feel bullied. And in the powerword web (rl dif story..), of all places rolleyesa . The last time I got thatted for using specific words (not swearing) about some people, the very same words were used to describe me/against me by figures of authority...Very strange.

And for fear of breaking the forum rules (I'm trying to stay on topic here, have mercy), I like to say that I, too, would love to see new cars, but, that really is all I can dare to say about the matter.

Please, don't thatt me again. I promise this is the last time I say anything negative about anything (at least I will really try) on these forums. Realms of fear don't often feel like home...

[SOYiNKA]

:rolleyes: :bravo: 10sur10 mdr1 :respect:

[F_Slim]

This place is slowly dying. The fact that you don't really know what you are allowed to say here, and that most discussions get closed since there already is a similar (but dead) sticky about it, doesn't make this a place one likes to be in and talk to others (hence build the community).
It's obvious that we won't get any official words from Atari about what is discussed here for months now. Which basically makes it useless to discuss about car-packs or patches here anyway. All it does is bring more bad feelings up and letting you forget that it is possible to enjoy TDU for what it is now, rather then hating it for what it COULD have been, if Atari/Eden hadn't messed it up and at least would release the bouldly promised carpacks.

[kalniel]

I am serious: I really fear to get, well, I don't even dare say that word for fear of getting the said procedure, you know, so I feel I can't criticize much anything anymore, I'm just at loss at for which words I would be allowed to use, and not get thatted.

I am not joking here. I feel bullied. And in the powerword web (rl dif story..), of all places rolleyesa . The last time I got thatted for using specific words (not swearing) about some people, the very same words were used to describe me/against me by figures of authority...Very strange.
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Realms of fear don't often feel like home...
Hi Devilbound,

Please feel free to PM me or any of the other moderators about these concerns. We do want these forums to be a friendly place, but by their nature they cannot be as free-speech as non-family, non-corperate boards. We would be more than happy to talk to you (or anyone else) about these concerns and hopefully help you come to an understanding about what sort of things are ok to post and what not. Also if you feel there are double standards I'd like to try and clear that up.

This is open to anyone else as well - but please do take it to PMs (or the internet discussion board) rather than this thread.

Best wishes,

kalniel

[LeadfootYT]

This place is slowly dying. The fact that you don't really know what you are allowed to say here, and that most discussions get closed since there already is a similar (but dead) sticky about it, doesn't make this a place one likes to be in and talk to others (hence build the community).
It's obvious that we won't get any official words from Atari about what is discussed here for months now. Which basically makes it useless to discuss about car-packs or patches here anyway. All it does is bring more bad feelings up and letting you forget that it is possible to enjoy TDU for what it is now, rather then hating it for what it COULD have been, if Atari/Eden hadn't messed it up and at least would release the bouldly promised carpacks.


http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616678

But apparently we're not dead, just hibernating. But I agree with you. People will still keep wanting stuff after they get enough. But you make a good point....:noooo:

-Leadfoot

[pontu]

how long taked xbox360 to get car packs and then we need to dobble that number to get the time line of when we could get them ... to me i think there will not be nothing new for this game .. it looks like the game is old news for atari and we are hoping to get something .. it taked half a year when they got out patch what was leaked and they didnt want to give us that at first they think lies to make us belive and then they will give us the same with stupid pla pla answer that they have come up ... and the game is still corrupted .. then they start to sell game via online downloading and dont take security off that people could use nocd to patch the game and without the patch u cant play this game ... it just stupid or what ?

when was the last time someone heard something about this game from atari ?

[Devilbound]

Yea. I agree. sour:

And in answer to your question: Never. lolblue: :atari: :mefiant:

[kalniel]

how long taked xbox360 to get car packs and then we need to dobble that number to get the time line of when we could get them ... to me i think there will not be nothing new for this game .. it looks like the game is old news for atari and we are hoping to get something .. it taked half a year when they got out patch what was leaked and they didnt want to give us that at first they think lies to make us belive and then they will give us the same with stupid pla pla answer that they have come up ... and the game is still corrupted .. then they start to sell game via online downloading and dont take security off that people could use nocd to patch the game and without the patch u cant play this game ... it just stupid or what ?

when was the last time someone heard something about this game from atari ?
Well seeing as you're new to the forum it's not surprising you've not seen much. But then again, I recognise your style of posts.. ah of course. Hello again, and goodbye :salut2: :nono:

[Chicane-UK]

The 360 has had so many cool car packs :(

I just don't understand. I'm willing to fork over MONEY for downloadable content. What is wrong with you Atari. Why the hell won't you give us ANY feedback :(

I just hate this sort of treatment from game developers / publishers. It stinks frankly.

[Devilbound]

Yea, I announce this right here right now too (In case they didn't realize this): Dear Atari, if you release to us the cars that the xbox users have had in their carpacks + what they had in the first place that we didn't have + all their free(!) downloadable cars in one pack, I will pay anything you ask!!! ANYTHING!!! Name your price! You hear me Atari?!?! Please, take my money!

Hello, big megacorp, money here! What the heck is wrong with you?!?!?! You don't like money?!?!?

[RoadRunner_TDU]

Well seeing as you're new to the forum it's not surprising you've not seen much. But then again, I recognise your style of posts.. ah of course. Hello again, and goodbye :salut2: :nono:

Kalniel, in God's name, why was the guy banned? Because he stated his opinion? I didn't see any swearing or flaming in his post! He got banned just because he thinks TDU is old news for Atari?
So, we have a dictatorship in here, right? Nice going, fellas... :nono:

[Devilbound]

Hey, Roady!!! Nice to see you! Man, I'd like to see you on Oahu! Btw I guess he was banned coz he had another, earlier account, which presumably was banned and he circumvented that by creating a new account...(just trying to be of use here, not provocating anyone/anything, I hope you all get that)...

Hey Roady, don't be a stranger! Give us a beep sometime! :wink2: :respect: :salut2:

EDIT: Btw, has anybody any idea what those "unique performance upgrades" are that are mentioned/advertised on the package? I'd love some of those... lolblue: :atari:

[randomus_r]

ROADY! Hi :salut2: :p
Dev and I were just saying yesterday how we ain't seen you for ages :laugh:

[RoadRunner_TDU]

Hey guys! :salut2:
Long time, no see! Well, I log on every night, usual time, but I cannot see anyone, except for some Russian guys... :nuts:
Anyway, to get back on the subject, my apologies to Kalniel if the ban was justified. It's just that, when I read the answer, I kinda flipped...Sorry.

[Devilbound]

eekblue: WHAT!?!?!?!? You log on normally?! What the heck is wrong with this game, I haven't seen you even on map for ages and ages!!! And I've looked, you can believe me! Darn it, this really sods me off... madred:

Nice that the game has decided that we arent friends anymore or something like that :mad: Omg I can feel veins popping in my head...Really, I'm an inch away from seeing dots... My nerves spasm... I'm soon having an berzerker rage -fit, and I have been managing to keep 'em away for so long!!!

I really miss driving around with you dude... :noooo: Oooooh, I'm getting mad...

[randomus_r]

How the blazes do we not see you on the map? eekblue: :mefiant:

[RoadRunner_TDU]

Yep, every night, usual time, don't see anybody, just driving around a bit and ending up at the lighthouse doing jumps with the ME 4 12... :nuts:

P.S. I just signed up at V8KINGS!

[randomus_r]

Good good ;)

[Devilbound]

Yep, every night, usual time, don't see anybody, just driving around a bit and ending up at the lighthouse doing jumps with the ME 4 12... :nuts:

P.S. I just signed up at V8KINGS!

Hey, cool that you signed up! Excellent! :bravo: :jump: superg Welcome to the site! Very nice, glad to know you are still around! Very glad!

Heh, anybody wanna guess how close I just came to flipping out? Unbelievable that we can't see each other, not to mention cruise together!

The way this game is "progressing", Atari is sure to have some calls from some lawyers.. Not meaning to insult anyone here, merely stating a fact.

[randomus_r]

I can go online now, if you two are available :)

[Devilbound]

Yea ok, cool! I just need a little "pitstop", and then I'm back in! (have been driving around since 2 o'clock in the morning/night :nuts: ...)

Thou I'm afraid Roady is at work at the moment? :mefiant: :noooo:

And Roady, if you experience trouble getting registered, check this (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=68363) out for possible help, or check our sites shoutbox-archives!

[randomus_r]

I can see you on map, it has N/A next to your name, probably 'cause you're minimised :p
I'm on Xfire, Dev, get on ;)
Anyhow, I think we'd better stop spamming kalniel's thread...

[Devilbound]

Yes, you are right. Only thing is, Xfire causes my TDU to crash these days! lolblue: Nice one! Yea, I'm N/A 'coz I'm on the map, I'll be coming soon, just after a little while...

And apologies to everyone, I haven't the slightest intention of spamming, these kind of things (meeting friends) are just quite impossible to arrange within TDU on it's own, so sorry...

Hey, now wait, is that really my fault..?? Anyway, apologies for this off-topicness dear mods, but I trust you see we are acting on the best of intentions here, just trying to have fun in the game with friends...

:respect:

And to be at least a bit on-topic: I saw a dream last night where we got new cars! LoL omg, imagine that! How sad! Anyway, one that particularily stuck in my mind was the superbee, it was in A-class, yes, muscle in A-class! Oh joy of joys! Too bad it was just a dream...

[randomus_r]

Okay, don't go on Xfire then ;)
Well, I'll be pootling around the track, so come and find me :salut2:
Well, at least we were spamming in a bad way, just be friendly, which isn't something that happens often here :nuts:

NO WAY! I had a dream, just like that. Seriously! All the cars were released for PC, and I even had a super-computer to play it on. Ah, we can always dream :laugh:

[kalniel]

Kalniel, in God's name, why was the guy banned? Because he stated his opinion? I didn't see any swearing or flaming in his post! He got banned just because he thinks TDU is old news for Atari?
So, we have a dictatorship in here, right? Nice going, fellas... :nono:
Don't be ridiculous. He got banned because posting as another account while your first account is serving a ban is against the rules.

[Boosted]

i havent been around here in ages...
still no carpack? sheesh....

[CLR-AMG]

PC? nope.

X360? ofcourse


And I'd say you can stay away for some more ages without missing anything :laugh:

[Sh4dow_racer]

PC? nope.

X360? ofcourse


And I'd say you can stay away for some more ages without missing anything :laugh:

Sadly true...

I have the feeling this forum is slowly dying. Why? Because of the number of "games" people try to start : quick answer, games with pictures. Everyday there's a new one...I think people are bored and a pack would give this place and the game a new spark of life.

[Afroman245]

Surely with Halo3 etc. people on the X360 have passed on TDU, so it's only a matter of time before focus shifts to the PC. It's possible they're working on one helluva carpack right now... Or now.... Or maybe even now rolleyesa

[Blazingfirespeed151]

Surely with Halo3 etc. people on the X360 have passed on TDU, so it's only a matter of time before focus shifts to the PC. It's possible they're working on one helluva carpack right now... Or now.... Or maybe even now rolleyesa
True Atully. If with you! mdr1

[Sh4dow_racer]

Surely with Halo3 etc. people on the X360 have passed on TDU, so it's only a matter of time before focus shifts to the PC. It's possible they're working on one helluva carpack right now... Or now.... Or maybe even now rolleyesa

Thing is all the cars are supposed to be modeled already, so I don't see what's to work on anyway. They probably haven't planned on how to give them to us : free or not? How shall players pay if they're not free?

Let's face it : adding those cars in the game is just a matter of adding a few files to the game...

[Blazingfirespeed151]

Well I see How Hard is it for atari to transfer a Couple of cars For Xbox 360 to Pc and into a file :hin: My solution EASY

[kalniel]

Well I see How Hard is it for atari to transfer a Couple of cars For Xbox 360 to Pc and into a file :hin: My solution EASY
How does that answer the problems with carpacks that I posted up a few pages back though?

[Evil_hatchback]

Atari is annoying me, they give so much to the 360 where the pc users have to suffer, they would benefit so much more if they just give us another patch or even just more cars they promised us, we payed for this game and they don't give us what the game promised us

[Poko24]

I wasn't here for a while and I'm surprised! There's no car pack yet??? Atari! You are so lazy in this case. :mad:

[Ceano]

They have never officially told us that it ever will be any car packs...so don't get your hopes up, just give me the frickin patch and I'm satisfied...i rely want the clubs to work as they is intended to do.

[randomus_r]

They did, look at the official website under 'game info'. It clearly states there will be car packs available periodically after launch.

[Ceano]

OK my bad but they also state that you can customize your cars to be one of a kind?...thats not true, We just have some performance kits and some paint jobs that any one can do...so the cars is not one of a kind.

ATARI/EDEN have made a lot of false advertising about this game, and i hope they will suffer for it :nono:

[Devilbound]

Yea, they indeed marketed the game as having "unique performance parts", so there most certainly seems to be a strong case for charging them with false advertisement to market their product, we are missing so many things that we were lured into buying the game with.

Just my opinion.

Let's let the professionals decide how it is, as a fact.

[cornsn]

...
The way this game is "progressing", Atari is sure to have some calls from some lawyers.. Not meaning to insult anyone here, merely stating a fact.

hello folks!

here we have our facts, any news about how & when atari wants to give their costumers what they were supposed to do monthly? there aint no expansions or carpacks available yet, is there a little chance for us, that there is at least something we can look forward to?
or does all this just mean, that we shouldn´t buy any more of those incomplete ATARI-titles?
the most surprisingly fact is, that there are no announcements from atari about the future of TDU (if it really has one) yet. and sadly, i think this won´t change until the release of the next bug-nest called TDU2...

greetz
c

[Poko24]

We should probably throw this game away forever now and really think again about buying a sequel. Atari is like politic selling lies to his voters. Shame on you. This is how players shouldn't be treated :nono: . Many similar post every day on official forum. Nice, very nice. Farewell :salut2:

[kalniel]

Come on guys, this is hardly discussing either the patch or the car pack. The arguements over whether Atari have any obligation to provide a car pack have been done to death - if you think you know better then please do test it in the courts and let us know how you get on.

[randomus_r]

Yes it is! We're discussing whether Atari are going to release car packs or not, and if they aren't, some people are talking about law suits, because Atari promised car packs. It's all relevant. This place is getting stupid rolleyesa

[TheLastInLine]

Yes it is! We're discussing whether Atari are going to release car packs or not, and if they aren't, some people are talking about law suits, because Atari promised car packs. It's all relevant. This place is getting stupid rolleyesa


As a matter there is a law matter bur not about the "promises". I was having a little conversation some days ago with a friend of mine who is lawyer. The legal matter is that Atari seem to deceive the consumers who bought this game. How? When you buy a product which mentions that the following "things" are included (like the cars in the manual of TDU for example), when these things are not there then we do have a matter. The price which we pay is about the igridients which are included in a product, if they 're not someone steals us! That's why I don't even want to hear that we should pay a single cent for any car that should be in the initial product and not in some after market add-on.

[kalniel]

The legal matter is that Atari seem to deceive the consumers who bought this game. How? When you buy a product which mentions that the following "things" are included (like the cars in the manual of TDU for example) We're repeating ourselves - it's already been shown that no-where on the packaging or in the manual does Atari say that extra cars are included. A list of licenses has nothing to do with what's in the game, unless it specifically says so.

[TheLastInLine]

If so, Kalniel, they could also include licenses for every single car and bike constructor in the world (maybe plane as well for chaters tonguegre ) and we are talking for thousands of models just to create illusions to every single customer that all these things some time in the future will be at their hands. The only thing done by now is only high-tempered conversations between people who want cp and the others who are sick and tired of listening to such ****.
It would be better in my personal opinion if in the manual they mentioned only the licenses of the included by the purchase cars. Then there would be peace for all. And if a car pack would ever released the extra licenses could have been included like a txt file.

[cornsn]

Yes it is! We're discussing whether Atari are going to release car packs or not, and if they aren't, some people are talking about law suits, because Atari promised car packs. It's all relevant. This place is getting stupid rolleyesa

Indeed - WORD!

But hey... if this is the result of how the "ATARI-force" (mod´s from this official forums are somehow misused by atari to do what
:atari:
obviously can´t: to deal with those uncomfortable statements from desillusioned product-consumers) reacts on critical statements from their customers:
that should be quite fine and merely any reaction after all! (!!!)

kalniel,

don´t get me wrong: you do a very good job, just like every other mod i know. But I think you guys better get paid very well for what (bad guys suggest some sort of opinion-discrimination, like already done before in this thread) you are doing her ... ;)
This is just my mad way of arguing and if there is anything anybody want´s to discuss with me, I would be glad to do so!
Well... anyway... there was something else to mention, now that I finished reading the whole thread I found something interesting::

I'm not sure that the either system has an effect on the other though - the x360 carpacks didn't stop us from getting the skyline and audi.

"Yeah, thats right: but what stops us from gettin more than that?!? Nor carpack, neither information..." I thought, while reading this first part of your post, but then you explained a bit more:

The real barrier to PC carpacks in my humble opinion is some kind of charging/authentication scheme. The xbox has a well established method built in, but to develop a whole system for the PC would take a huge amount of resources which I think would be very hard to justify given the potential returns. Hopefully they'll consider releasing them for free, which would avoid such issues...

Sorry, but I don´t understand what you mean with "avoid such issues". Could you explain this point, please?

If you can't release it for paid download, and can't release it for free, then the only other option is to make some kind of expansion disk.. but then the publishing and distribution costs are significant and only viable if you expect relatively large returns, which I'm not sure they would as carpacks are really only micro transactions...

Why only micro transactions? I think 30€ would be fine for most of the TDU-users & no-more-users... ;)
But we should not forget that we are just discussing the investions & returns referring to money - what about possible consequences after win´s in short terms? good craftsmanship needs something like a good reputation, doesn´t it? Isn´t the former very good reputation of ATARI gone now?

In short, even to my unknowing observation, it seems like quite a dilemma and I can understand why we've not heard anything so far about it.

And I think the dilemma is that we didn`t hear anything yet!
Problems occour daily everywhere - I would be the last to ignore that fact!
It´s just simply frustrating to see this really great M.O.O.R. concept fall (maybe only untill the release of TDU2?) and I have a lot of suggestions about that, but it simply amazes me, that ATARI probably doesn´t care about reputation at all and therefor they wouldn´t announce anything.

best regards

cornsn

[randomus_r]

We're repeating ourselves - it's already been shown that no-where on the packaging or in the manual does Atari say that extra cars are included. A list of licenses has nothing to do with what's in the game, unless it specifically says so.

I'm repeating myself here, too. Go to http://www.testdriveunlimited.com, Click English, click PC DVD ROM, click Game info.

...with vehicle packs available featuring six or more cars or bikes available to download periodically after launch...

See!? It's there, on the website in black and white. (blue and white actually, but that's irrelevant;) ) Atari confirmed there would we car packs, and what have we seen? Jack, that's what we've seen.

Now I'm pretty sure that's false advertising, meaning a case for a law suit. Can we discuss that now? Or is that too off-topic forr your 'official' thread?

[Fongalicious]

At this point I am almost wiping my hands of TDU completely. I kept coming back and checking for good news but the end result is becoming evident. We won't see the packs. Period. The troubling part is that even though it is obvious that people are being misled by the statements of the OFFICIAL website, Atari refuses to at least stop advertising as such. They may have an argument that 2 cars constitutes a pack, but no where near the "six or more" they state on the site. If they don't plan on the packs, fine, but don't keep misleading new customers.

Maybe the web team just got lazy and copy/ pasted the 360 description in the PC area. I have done similar. But in the corporate world that has legal ramifications. They have every intellectual right to do what they want with the game, but they can't keep lying to the consumers as to what they will get with it. The next time I google TDU it will be in conjunction with the words "class" and "action" next to it.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Atari won't make me look foolish again.

[kalniel]

It would be better in my personal opinion if in the manual they mentioned only the licenses of the included by the purchase cars. Then there would be peace for all. And if a car pack would ever released the extra licenses could have been included like a txt file.
Maybe - if that would satisfy the legal department. My guess would be that they didn't think people would jump to such conclusions *shrugs*.

[Tim_Spr]

Dude you have no chance at all with a law suit. This is mainly because they do not mention any date when they shoudl release it... So it might be in the future aswell..

Atari didn't mentioned anywhere else that they where going to release those pakcs... So you would 100% sure loose a lawsuit.


Easy for me to say though, because i got an abox360.

[kalniel]

kalniel,

don´t get me wrong: you do a very good job, just like every other mod i know. But I think you guys better get paid very well for what (bad guys suggest some sort of opinion-discrimination, like already done before in this thread) you are doing her ... ;) Sadly, not being Atari employees, we aren't paid at all :(

Sorry, but I don´t understand what you mean with "avoid such issues". Could you explain this point, please? Releasing them free would avoid the issue of how to pay for/deliver the content securely. But it creates a different, licensing issue.

Why only micro transactions? I think 30€ would be fine for most of the TDU-users & no-more-users... ;) Maybe you'd be happy paying full expansion pack price for just a few more cars.. I'm not sure I would, and I expect not enough people would to make it worth while. The whole thing about micro-transactions is that you can deliver content that wouldn't be big enough for a stand-alone.

But we should not forget that we are just discussing the investions & returns referring to money - what about possible consequences after win´s in short terms? good craftsmanship needs something like a good reputation, doesn´t it? Isn´t the former very good reputation of ATARI gone now? You're essentially saying they should release them to boost their reputation? Well I think they'd love to release them - will isn't the problem - the issue of payment/security and license restrictions are the real concerns.


And I think the dilemma is that we didn`t hear anything yet!
Problems occour daily everywhere - I would be the last to ignore that fact!
It´s just simply frustrating to see this really great M.O.O.R. concept fall (maybe only untill the release of TDU2?) and I have a lot of suggestions about that, but it simply amazes me, that ATARI probably doesn´t care about reputation at all and therefor they wouldn´t announce anything. Announcements don't do anything for reputation - these forums have proved that if you didn't believe it before. But if you disagree, what do you think an announcement that there are currently no ways to do carpacks for the PC would do for reputation? Wouldn't it be better to work away behind the scenes to try and get a solution, rather than have to announce that there isn't one?

[kalniel]

Now I'm pretty sure that's false advertising, meaning a case for a law suit. Can we discuss that now? Or is that too off-topic forr your 'official' thread?
I think that's a simple website error. I don't think you can purchase the game in the UK from that same website, so there's no false advertising relating to the game you purchase from UK stores. If there was, then yes, you would be entitled to a refund if that mistake on the website was considered by a court to be a key feature of the game.

[Afroman245]

This legal thing may be a bit out of hand. All game makers emphasise points to make them seem big, bg and interesting. You need to peel away the overcoat and look at the source:

Unrivalled interior and exterior design: 1. Not many game where you can colour the interior, and it is quite detailed too.
2. The exterior design is also fantastic, so they could be realting to the modeling rather thatn the personal tuning.

Just and example.

[JumpDawn]

Come on guys, give kalniel a little break alright? i doubt he is at fault for not giving us the car pack, if it is anyone to blame, blame the company. Kalniel should be paid for coping with all of our needs, he is probably one of the best mods around. Lets control ourselves when we comment ok? :respect:

[Devilbound]

Dude you have no chance at all with a law suit. This is mainly because they do not mention any date when they shoudl release it... So it might be in the future aswell..

Atari didn't mentioned anywhere else that they where going to release those pakcs... So you would 100% sure loose a lawsuit.


Easy for me to say though, because i got an abox360.
There is no 100% sure thing except taxes and death. Especially with the law. Not too wise really to say one would 100% loose a lawsuit, that's what the courts are for, to decide these things. And furthermore, "released periodically after launch" seems to imply some releases anyway, and the timespan which is reasonable for this is one other thing that will be decided by a court, should it come to that.
Releasing them free would avoid the issue of how to pay for/deliver the content securely. But it creates a different, licensing issue.
Ok, not necessarily even arguing that, but what issues are you talking about? The Xbox has a number of free cars for download, quite the number, actually. And they are getting more free car downloads as we speak.

Why don't we get even those cars then? :hin: :mefiant:

I think that's a simple website error. I don't think you can purchase the game in the UK from that same website, so there's no false advertising relating to the game you purchase from UK stores. If there was, then yes, you would be entitled to a refund if that mistake on the website was considered by a court to be a key feature of the game.
But the website is advertised on the back of the packaging very clearly as part of the game, as it should be, since it is also advertised as a "M.O.O.R.". And if it is a website error, surely it makes no difference in the eyes of law. Written text is written text.
You're essentially saying they should release them to boost their reputation? Well I think they'd love to release them - will isn't the problem - the issue of payment/security and license restrictions are the real concerns.

I'm saying it as well: If there was any sense with this debacle, they would release at least those cars that are free on xbox to us, free also. Not to boost their reputation, but in attempt to salvage what little is left of it. This said, I would even be willing to pay for the cars the xbox users got for free, as I'm quite sure enough people would be willing do for it to be financially very sound for Atari to release a carpack. They would get revenue and it would affect their future finances through affecting their credibility as producers.

I am rather glad to see this discussion is alive. And is this not the exact place where this sort of debate should take place? Otherwise, what's there left to discuss in this thread?

Respect

Dev

[cornsn]

Sadly, not being Atari employees, we aren't paid at all :(

Yeah, I know ;)

Releasing them free would avoid the issue of how to pay for/deliver the content securely. But it creates a different, licensing issue.

Ah, ok. Well... seems to be complicated, how comes that the xbox-lers got a bounch of free carpacks if there are some problems with the license-issues?

Maybe you'd be happy paying full expansion pack price for just a few more cars.. I'm not sure I would, and I expect not enough people would to make it worth while. The whole thing about micro-transactions is that you can deliver content that wouldn't be big enough for a stand-alone.

A few more cars? I indendet to say that I would be glad to pay 30 bucks for ALL missing cars in one pack.

You're essentially saying they should release them to boost their reputation? Well I think they'd love to release them - will isn't the problem - the issue of payment/security and license restrictions are the real concerns.

Well yes, thats one point. I say it with A. Crowley:
"If will stops and cries why, invoking because, then will stops & does nought."
Means if will is not the problem, then others would be overcome somehow ... somedays, hopefully.
Mainly they should release them to get a whole load of money for their work, but let me use Devilbounds explanation for this point - his english is way better and its exactly my point of view:

...Not to boost their reputation, but in attempt to salvage what little is left of it. This said, I would even be willing to pay for the cars the xbox users got for free, as I'm quite sure enough people would be willing do for it to be financially very sound for Atari to release a carpack. They would get revenue and it would affect their future finances through affecting their credibility as producers.

Announcements don't do anything for reputation - these forums have proved that if you didn't believe it before. But if you disagree, what do you think an announcement that there are currently no ways to do carpacks for the PC would do for reputation? Wouldn't it be better to work away behind the scenes to try and get a solution, rather than have to announce that there isn't one?

Hmm... thats a very good question. The release-date is 7 months ago and if they didn´t find any solution(s) for this problems yet, they probably need a "lucky shot" to get this issue solved in the future...
So... yes, I think the honest way would be my favorite choice here. there is no need to lie and continuing their desinformation-program would only result in more angry users.

or - as somebody wrote before:

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Atari won't make me look foolish again."

Why is the community not involved in this process?
I think there are a lot modders arround and they would be glad to help working on a pack/patch - for free!
Just because they love this game, but fact is that ATARI somehow works against their TDU-community (with lies about a patch-verification and so on) instead of working together with us. And this is what really amazes me...

anyway, thanks for your great statement - respect!

:respect:

best regards & tons of greetz
c

[Poko24]

Kalniel! To get it straight. Whatever I say I respect You. You've got just very hard job here.