Racing wheel

[N4S_Johnny_DK]

Pleas pleas pleas pleas ATARI,,,can you pleas tell Microsoft that vi need a mutch better racing wheel than the MS xbox360 wirelees wheel,,,We need the logitech G25 wheel to work on xbox360 or that Microsoft make a mutch better wheel them selv,,,pleas pleas pleas,,, we need it for your new Pro Race xbox360 pleas pleas pleas pleas

[Diablo_]

Fanatec are working on a few prototypes for the Xbox 360 and were meant to be sending an early version to Simbin for inclusion and support in this game. If it happens then I cannot wait for this game and future racing and driving games on the 360!

http://www.911wheel.com

[N4S_Johnny_DK]

Fanatec are working on a few prototypes for the Xbox 360 and were meant to be sending an early version to Simbin for inclusion and support in this game. If it happens then I cannot wait for this game and future racing and driving games on the 360!

http://www.911wheel.com

ohh yaaa hobe soo,, diablo,,, we realy need a good racing wheel for the xbox360

[perfectnobody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjTB5tui2Bs

at the end he says it has been sent to simbin for support for Race Pro :bravo:.

in my opinion, this is the ultimate wheel to get if you do not already have a wheel like me. i got the clubsport edition. it is compatible with the PS3 and PC as well, so for me this is the best option as i have a PS3 as well and should work fine with GTP or GT5 when it comes out. the only 2 downsides for me:


i have to wait till June to get it.
its freaking expensive (i got in on the 4th production line, meaning i spent $470 instead of $400 for those who reserved it first and they are getting it in march)

fanatec say they are only making 10,000 units of these wheels (yeah right). they will probably be exclusive for a while, but i am sure they will come out with a toned down standard 360 wheel in a year or so. for now, this is the price you pay for early adoption and exclusive features, and from the reviews i am seeing on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtUgH0Ttwpw&feature=related) this is just as good as the logitech G25. some say its even slightly better (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWjLRhd8w0)

so now the 360 has a decent wheel, so all we need is for the game to come out in February....

cant wait.

check out the link in my signature for a complete breakdown on what the wheel offers as well as the variations of it.

[Addy711]

Thanks for the link I had not seen that video.

I ordered the clubsport as well and am in the June slot. Pedal set on the clubsport looks awesome, aluminum construction, contactless sensors for the gas and clutch and a load cell for the brake. I would have ordered those as a standalone for my current setup if they hadn’t been making an XBOX 360 wheel too.

I have a G25 for my PS3 and PC but doesn’t me any good for Race Pro. Going to be a long wait for me from when the game comes to when the Fanatec wheel arrives...

[perfectnobody]

i sent an email to Fanatec asking about LED support for Race Pro as implemented in rFactor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YErE-dMdWy4&feature=channel_page)

they responded saying they are already working on it. man, if they actually implement this into the game, it'll be freaking awesome...:chapeau:

[perfectnobody]

Thanks for the link I had not seen that video.

I ordered the clubsport as well and am in the June slot. Pedal set on the clubsport looks awesome, aluminum construction, contactless sensors for the gas and clutch and a load cell for the brake. I would have ordered those as a standalone for my current setup if they hadn’t been making an XBOX 360 wheel too.

I have a G25 for my PS3 and PC but doesn’t me any good for Race Pro. Going to be a long wait for me from when the game comes to when the Fanatec wheel arrives...

enjoy this video of the exclusive ClubSport pedals (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aowDlOWF1yE)...:)

[Addy711]

enjoy this video of the exclusive ClubSport pedals (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aowDlOWF1yE)...:)

Cool yeah seen that one, I was just going to get the pure edition to use with my G25 pedals till I saw that :)

[perfectnobody]

Cool yeah seen that one, I was just going to get the pure edition to use with my G25 pedals till I saw that :)

have you seen this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzdluhZjNLE&eurl=http://www.911wheel.de/?q=node/968) of the wheel in action.... pretty cool:respect:

[Brako_UK]

It does look a very good wheel and just this very moment i recieved a email from Fantec saying there trying there best to ship before june.Hopefully this wheel will be around for many year's to come.

[Brako_UK]

One question i have about the Ms wheel.When using a joypad you can usually use the right stick to look about to check your left and right so you dont smash into anyone,however,i noticed that the Ms wheel does not have this feature so how can this be done?.

[Comet302]

One question i have about the Ms wheel.When using a joypad you can usually use the right stick to look about to check your left and right so you dont smash into anyone,however,i noticed that the Ms wheel does not have this feature so how can this be done?.

not sure about Race Pro.... maybe they made it so you can change the controls on the wheel.... but in FM2 you couldn't look around while using the wheel...... well, i couldn't, except change camera views.... :wink2:

[Brako_UK]

Many thanks Comet.

[nagge]

Thankfully there's mirrors in Race Pro so shouldnt be a problem, although one would think that they could make use of the D-pad for looking to the sides as well.

[Brako_UK]

Yes it would make sense would'nt it?.perhaps it might be possible in the options though.After all,depending on what side drive the car is,you only tend to have a mirror for that side,unless of course the rear view mirror is angled slighty to cover the other side aswell to save you from being completey blind sided.

[Aizen93]

Thankfully there's mirrors in Race Pro so shouldnt be a problem, although one would think that they could make use of the D-pad for looking to the sides as well.

D-pad?!weirdblue Steering with the left stick and trying to look left or right with D-pad will result in a disaster. That would be the work for the right stick, wich is perfect for that. BTW never mind this reply, you guys are obviously talking about the wheel:P

[nagge]

D-pad?!weirdblue Steering with the left stick and trying to look left or right with D-pad will result in a disaster. That would be the work for the right stick, wich is perfect for that.

I'm talking about the wheel ;)

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

What about people who only learnt to steer using the d-pad? :S

[nagge]

What about people who only learnt to steer using the d-pad? :S

You use the d-pad on the wheel to steer?

[Brako_UK]

People do realise we are in the wheel discussion thread yes?.Or has hellbringer plotting some devious scheme to confuse us all?.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

You use the d-pad on the wheel to steer?

Lol no, I couldnt do that, but Flex does, and he's acheived some #1's in his time :P

[nagge]

Lol no, I couldnt do that, but Flex does, and he's acheived some #1's in his time :P

What's the point with a wheel if he's using the D-pad? :mefiant:
Would be rather inconvenient.

[Brako_UK]

Perhap's the talented chap got so good at racing games that he was finding new way's to make the game a challenge.

At some point i plan to get so good at Race pro that it wont be a challenge unless i am blinfolded whilst balancing a fondoo set upon my bonce and steering with my feet.

[Comet302]

Perhap's the talented chap got so good at racing games that he was finding new way's to make the game a challenge.

At some point i plan to get so good at Race pro that it wont be a challenge unless i am blinfolded whilst balancing a fondoo set upon my bonce and steering with my feet.

hehe... i want to see a picture of that!... specialdri

[Brako_UK]

Really? i had the image in my head and i almost vomitted.

[Julio_Geordio_9]

Lol no, I couldnt do that, but Flex does, and he's acheived some #1's in his time :P

Yeah....but we all know Flex isn't from this planet.


I was going to get a steering wheel, but I'm going to see how I get on with the game mitt controller.

If I can struggle around the track with it like I did in Forza I'll be happy

[Diablo_]

I saw an amazing racing wheel a few years back, shame you never heard more about it though, obviously didn't think there was a market for it at the time.

Watch how he takes the chicane in particular.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IqaMSe06YYU&fmt=18

[Brako_UK]

Haha,just as the commentator said,you could'nt do that again if you tried.

Tell me something though,do all these steering wheels make a strange noise?.It sounds like Robocop un-doing his fly to have pee and then jiggling it about a tad to finish off.

[Brako_UK]

Well chap’s,just as I was about to sit down and eat my tea,the door bell rang and it was the delivery man with my brand spanking new Ms wheel.Once I finished my meal and seeing as the wife is at her friends for a couple of hours,I decided to give the wheel a go.

Firstly,kudos to anyone who can use that thing on there lap,the force feed back is fantastic and after a short and painfull fight with the wheel I think I may have slipped a disc or something,not to worry though chap’s,it all in the name of racing hehe.

Luckily the wheel came with a demo of Forza 2 so that’s what I used,like i said,the force feed back is fantastic and you really can feel everything you would hope for with a wheel,go off track and the wheel tries to rip your arms off as you try to fight to gain control,over cook the corner and it goes all loose till you either come to a stop or you manage to gain control.This wheel really is brilliant.

After trying the wheel I put it back in the box and tomorrow when I have a few moments I shall build a type of put away stand for the wheel so that I can really get some great racing with this amazing gadget.

I think if I was going to say anything bad about the wheel…..well actually it’s not the wheel,the wheel seems great,it’s the brake pedal that’s the minor problem.Now I don’t know if this was just because they were flat on the floor as I only had a quick go but it did seem that it was over sensitive a tad,I assume its working off a spring that then activates a sort of trigger but not too sure.But as I said it’s a minor problem and once I build the stand and have the pedals at a proper driving level then I am sure I can get used to it,if not then its just a case of using the Christmas tool set I got last year and set to work on modifying it a little.

All in all though I have to say I am really impressed with the wheel and the urge for the Race pro demo and official game release just flew up a few hundred notches.If Microsoft can build a wheel this good then I cant wait to get my hands(and feet)on the Fantec wheel.

[leahcim35]

I think if I was going to say anything bad about the wheel…..well actually it’s not the wheel,the wheel seems great,it’s the brake pedal that’s the minor problem.Now I don’t know if this was just because they were flat on the floor as I only had a quick go but it did seem that it was over sensitive a tad

Yeah, the brake pedal isn't realistic at all. In Forza most use ABS because the wheels lock up seemingly too easily as well. It's a combination of both.

A few have used sponge and other materials to give the brake pedal more resistance. Search the forzamotorsport forums for details. [Others have done a bigger mod to change a bearing in the wheel]

My biggest gripe with the wheel is going /exactly/ straight ahead. Mostly it doesn't matter, but Forza has a few cars where even the tiniest amount of lock will make the car go into a "tank slapper" down a straight [e.g D400 1970s chevelle / The Ford GT40 new york time trial]

With the controller this isn't a problem because simply letting go of the stick is straight ahead. But the feel you get as soon as you've put some lock on the wheel is, as you say, brilliant and far better than using a controller around bends. Of course, for these particular cars, the only reason you use them is because they are fast on these straights.

But, for the vast majority of the cars it's fine...I do turn the FF down a bit though.

[Brako_UK]

How do you turn the force feed back down sir?,one thing i really am going to have to get used to is much i can fight with the thing,with all that feedback kicking in,i dont want to then grab it and wear out the motor or anything.

[nagge]

Funnily enough I dont have any problems braking without ABS in Forza. I just turn down brake pressure to about 80% and modulate the rest with my foot. Although I have the pedals at an angle so maybe that helps.

[leahcim35]

How do you turn the force feed back down sir?,one thing i really am going to have to get used to is much i can fight with the thing,with all that feedback kicking in,i dont want to then grab it and wear out the motor or anything.

You need the full version of the game IIRC [can't be more than a few quid if you shop around though, and well worth it if you've got a wheel :) ]

It's in options / wheel settings and then you press X to get advanced settings and you can set deadzones and ff strength.

I doubt you'll break it though, I had the wheel for months before I turned it down...

[Brako_UK]

I should imagine with the tuning options in Race pro you will be able to do something similar perhaps.

[leahcim35]

I should imagine with the tuning options in Race pro you will be able to do something similar perhaps.

Yep without a doubt. Earlier interviews suggested you'd be able to adjust the controller and wheel to your liking, but FF strength is pretty standard in driving games.

I think the wheel will be better with race pro.

The only thing we need is MS to release FF drivers for use with the wireless gaming receiver, then we can play PC games with it too.

[Brako_UK]

I really was impressed with the wheel and like i said i did not have a stand or anything so the pedals were on the floor and the wheel on my lap for a few quick test sessions.

To be honest though i really cant see why people hate it so much or perhaps they just have not set it up properly,by that i mean either use a driving seat set but have it like i sampled it.

I was going to build a put away stand today but with the amount of things going on with family hospital visits and a death in the family it might be a couple of weeks before i get round to it.Once i do get the chance though i am sure i will have it done before the release of Race pro which is why i bought the wheel in the first place.

[crappucino]

To be honest though i really cant see why people hate it so much or perhaps they just have not set it up properly,by that i mean either use a driving seat set but have it like i sampled it.


It just doesn't cut the mustard with the driving games which are available on the 360 at the moment. That doesn't seem to be an issue with the wheel but how the games themselves are optimised. It's ok with Forza2 and PGR but there's something still not quite right with how the cars respond to turns and the wheel snapping back.... pad is always the best option (well for me anyway). With TDU it is practically unusable even in HC mode because the wheel starts to oscillate even when you're trying to drive in a straight line. Hopefully Simbin have got it right. The demo will answer a lot of questions.

[leahcim35]

To be honest though i really cant see why people hate it so much or perhaps they just have not set it up properly,by that i mean either use a driving seat set but have it like i sampled it.


More likely they're the same as people who own a 360 and don't like the PS3, or the reverse, they've probably never touched one :)

The version 1 wheels had problems which didn't help the reputation.

There is a bit of play in the column on the wheel [which is why some do the mod I mentioned] and obviously it's nothing like the expensive, often leather clad wheels with separate gear sticks. Stuff like the G25 or this new Fanatec one. The pedals seem robust enough, but not particularly realistic and they aren't metal.

You could argue that the price is high. e.g a logitech FF wheel with 2 pedals that look similar for the PC is about £46 MRRP, £36 if you shop around. Which makes the xbox wheel seem a bit pricey.

There's the issue of choice too. MS do themselves no favours by forcing people to buy their product rather than simply competing with other wheel makers on the platform [or licensing a wheel from said competitor]

Clearly a lot want the G25 on the 360. To them, no matter how good any other wheel is or isn't, internet lore deems this wheel the best one.

But as you note, it works very well.

That said, there is only Forza 2 IMO that uses it in any real sense and I think it's good if not perfect with it. I've mentioned my quibble with some of the cars straight line tracking. The other issue for me is that there is so little lock required when turning in Forza that it almost feels like it's wasted having a wheel [especially if you contrast it with something like cockpit views of racing cars and see how much they they turn the wheel. I'm not talking 900 degrees, in Forza 2 you barely move it]

The video of the guy racing Race Pro at GC08 suggests this won't be an issue in Race pro though. It'll be interesting to compare with Race Pro.

[PerfectStrategy]

I don't see how "the internet" deems the G25 better than the Fanatec. In fact I saw a guy comparing them on youtube and he liked the Fanatec a lot better. And that wasn't even the latest Fanatec model Turbo S (which won't be out for a couple months yet).

And from what I have seen of the Fanatec Clubsport pedals, I would say there is no question about those. They are far more advanced than those of the G25. Contactless sensors (indestructible), completely adjustable spring rates and tension, load cell censor, vibration motor for the brake (unknown if Race Pro will implement this feature).

And since someone will probably ask here is the comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWjLRhd8w0

And since everyone on this forum is so freakin' defensive... I'm not trying to say the G25 is bad. I'm just trying to counter that it is deemed better than the Fanatec (what is more likely is there are more people with the G25 hence they support that without having even tried the Fanatec). I'm thinking the two wheels are probably about equal. Though I think the Fanatec might be a slightly better choice due to its full cross-compatibility (360, PS3, PC) and perhaps the ridiculously-awesome clubsport pedals.

[PzR_Tak]

It is difficult to compare the Fanatec with the G25, as the G25 has word of mouth on it's side, wheras hardly anyone has even touched a Fanatec Porsche Wheel.

I'm not saying that it's going to be worse or better, just there's no way of comparing either, yet.

[leahcim35]

I don't see how "the internet" deems the G25 better than the Fanatec. In fact I saw a guy comparing them on youtube and he liked the Fanatec a lot better. And that wasn't even the latest Fanatec model Turbo S (which won't be out for a couple months yet).


Calm down, your new toy will be fine I'm sure.... [assuming you can find a game to play given your comments about race pro] :)

If you compare the amount of folk owning and shouting about the G25, especially when they moan about the MS Wheel, it's far, far wider than the stuff on a wheel which, as you note, doesn't even exist yet.

Clearly the G25 is a far more popular and better selling wheel across PC and PS3 than the Fanatec. See this thread was actually asking for a better wheel for an example and did it say "please give us a fanatec?" or "We need the g25" ? Right. Now you see my point. They might not be right, but nevertheless, in general, the G25 is considered the wheel to have [and to be fair, the G25 is a lot cheaper, you'd hope the other wheel was better given that kind of premium, or else you'd hope that Porsche have better things to do with your money than you do, as nice as their logo might be]

That could change if Fanatec deliver this wheel.

But, for it to matter, fanatec must decide to manufacture and sell this wheel long term [as opposed to only making 10000 of them - which is a obviously a complete waste of time for most of us, no matter how good it turns out to be] It'll also make me right in any case, because there can only be 10000 of you shouting about it :) I would argue that it would need to be cheaper too. It's trivial to make something good that's expensive, but popular products tend to be at a particular price / quality point. See for example digital cameras / camcorders [or the newer hybrids] The best one, isn't really the best one because it's way beyond the budget and there's a cheaper product that astounds everyone with how good it is for the money.

Nevertheless I didn't say the G25 was better or not than any other wheel except the MS wheel. There are trivially better things. E.g there are platforms costing around $30000 that are probably the ultimate for racing simulations that provide gforces and so on. The owners of them have a youtube video pointing out it's better than the Fanatac and G25 too which just makes me think "so what?" to your link :)

[Brako_UK]

When i heard the Fantec wheels wont be delivered till june i emailed them to ask if at some point they will be available in retail stores.A few day's later i got an email saying they will try as hard as they can to ship before june but it will only ever be available from there web shop.

Only 10,000 units seem's a bit strange though for such a wanted wheel,it cant be a cost thing as they would'nt of made that many so perhaps they have sold the design and can only sell a number of units before the new designers make use of the design.

That and the fact that Microsoft actually allowed them to use there wheel on games such as Forza made me think this.But this is only my opinion only.

[leahcim35]

Only 10,000 units seem's a bit strange though for such a wanted wheel,it cant be a cost thing as they would'nt of made that many so perhaps they have sold the design and can only sell a number of units before the new designers make use of the design.


I imagine they don't think there's a market for that many and that their manuf process for this wheel probably makes it prohibitively expensive.

If they want to ship to shops, they'd probably get 50% less [or the wheel would cost twice the price] than what they're charging in their own web shop, to account for retailer markup.

Which would mean to realistically sell they'd probably need a different manufacturing solution and / or a big market for it.

Plus it isn't 10000 of one type of wheel. It's 3 types of wheel, 10000 altogether. One of which doesn't come with pedals...and the pedals add a huge premium to the price.

As I just said, this wheel is expensive. It's not really an alternative to the G25, it's twice the price of it. I'm sure it's really nice and everything, but I imagine it's not really the product that the OP was pleading for, simply because of availability and price.

Best thing about it, assuming that MS don't shaft them [and you do have to laugh when they say the gear shift is compatible with any future games that it works with ;) ] is that someone might well produce that sub-£150 wheel for the 360 of the G25 quality or better....then I'll probably run to the shop :)

[PerfectStrategy]

I imagine they don't think there's a market for that many and that their manuf process for this wheel probably makes it prohibitively expensive.

If they want to ship to shops, they'd probably get 50% less [or the wheel would cost twice the price] than what they're charging in their own web shop, to account for retailer markup.

Which would mean to realistically sell they'd probably need a different manufacturing solution and / or a big market for it.

Plus it isn't 10000 of one type of wheel. It's 3 types of wheel, 10000 altogether. One of which doesn't come with pedals...and the pedals add a huge premium to the price.

As I just said, this wheel is expensive. It's not really an alternative to the G25, it's twice the price of it. I'm sure it's really nice and everything, but I imagine it's not really the product that the OP was pleading for, simply because of availability and price.

Best thing about it, assuming that MS don't shaft them [and you do have to laugh when they say the gear shift is compatible with any future games that it works with ;) ] is that someone might well produce that sub-£150 wheel for the 360 of the G25 quality or better....then I'll probably run to the shop :)
I really don't know what you have been going on about. Are you just biased against the Fanatec wheel for some reason?

Since when does sales number indicate better quality? Obviously there are more G25s sold than Fanatec's. Did I need you to tell me that? What the hell does that have to do with anything? We were talking about the quality of the wheel. You might as well just forget playing Race Pro and go back to Forza 2 because Forza 2 has sold more copies than Race Pro. Don't believe me? Look it up.

The pedals don't add a huge premium. Personally I ordered the Pure edition and the pedals cost $50. Alternatively, you could use the G25 or MS wheel pedals with the Fanatec wheel.

And I don't really see the huge price difference you are talking about. I bought the Turbo S with pedals and shifters for $280. The G25 costs $300:
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/playstation_3/wheels/devices/131&cl=us,en

So I really have no clue where you are pulling this idea that the Fanatec is so ridiculously expensive compared to the G25.

Also, I believe the G25 connects to the console/PC using a USB cable. The Fanatec uses wireless connection, which is a definite plus.

I don't know what else I'm supposed to say to your posts.

[mod edit - no need for insults, thanks.]

[Diablo_]

They have said about the amount being due to testing the market with the investment they have been given. Think about it if the 10,000 sell and word spreads and money is poured in they can then show these figures to investors and produce even more.

If they get a wheel into the sector where the DFP hit then they will do really well! Plus if they allow said wheel to be upgraded or compatible with the other hardcore parts then seriously how could they lose!

[leahcim35]

I really don't know what you have been going on about. Are you just biased against the Fanatec wheel for some reason?

Since when does sales number indicate better quality?


It doesn't. I didn't say it did. You clearly didn't understand what I was saying. Perhaps best if you just ignore it then?

Lastly though, I will say once again, I wasn't saying that the G25 is better than any wheel indeed I didn't even mention another wheel except the MS one.

I said that the G25 is the wheel that internet lore seems to have decided is the best one to get. You clearly misunderstand what I meant by that.

As for pricing, I compared the G25 and Fanatec in Euros. Caveat emptor though because, for some unfathomable reason they keep putting the price of the fantec up, and making the release date further away. I think you should probably shop around for G25 prices too, you'll find it is cheaper.

It certainly doesn't mean that a wheel which costs twice as much money won't be better quality - perhaps it will. But obviously that "twice as much money" thing, and the fact that they are only making a few of them is why you'll find that it won't replace the G25's position, which, like it or not, is what it is...as I said, see the post that started this thread.

[leahcim35]

seriously how could they lose!

Quite easily if the G25 [or any other similarly priced and specced wheel from someone like logitech] appeared for the 360 and both products were at the same price they are now.

That's to say, I could buy one, and I haven't. Presumably this is true for others in here who are interested in this game but haven't bought one. So all I have to do is ask myself why I haven't, and why they haven't, to see why they might lose :)

[PerfectStrategy]

It doesn't. I didn't say it did. You clearly didn't understand what I was saying. Perhaps best if you just ignore it then?

Lastly though, I will say once again, I wasn't saying that the G25 is better than any wheel.

I said that the G25 is the wheel that internet lore seems to have decided is the best one to get. You clearly misunderstand what I meant by that.

As for pricing, I compared the G25 and Fanatec in Euros. Caveat emptor though because, for some unfathomable reason they keep putting the price of the fantec up and making the release date further away...and I think you should probably shop around for G25 prices, you'll find it is cheaper.

It certainly doesn't mean that a wheel which costs twice as much money won't be better quality - perhaps it will. But obviously that "twice as much money" thing, and the fact that they are only making a few of them is why you'll find that it won't replace the G25's position, which, like it or not, is what it is...as I said, see the post that started this thread.
Good gracious sir, it is not twice as expensive. The $280 I paid is not the earliest price they gave. You can buy it for the same price right now. And it can only go up $10 more since there is only one final production lot left after the current one. Originally you could have gotten it for $250. I guess they want to reward early adopters, oh well.

The G25 also costs $300 at Best Buy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8101699&st=g25&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1158317361055

And I'm just going to drop the whole "internet lore" argument. Because I honestly don't see what relevance that has or why anyone in his right mind should care what the internet thinks about something. rolleyesa

[leahcim35]

The $280 I paid is not the earliest price they gave.


It's not the latest either :)


The G25 also costs $300 at Best Buy:


But it's less elsewhere. I did check. Besides, did I not say Euros? It could be $400000 and I wouldn't really care a hoot. Here, it's twice as much to buy one than the other, I haven't lied and I'm not mistaken...I can't understand what is upsetting you so much.

I probably wouldn't buy or recommend the underwear you use either, but I don't want to argue about it. Why did you start arguing about this?

And I'm just going to drop the whole "internet lore" argument.

Good. Note that the posts made and conversation before [and quite a few after] that line, which upset you so much, weren't with you.

Now you're "rolling your eyes" at the subthread you started. That does mean we've made some progress. Perhaps you could work on simply not starting these subthreads in the first place as, if you don't like them, I can't imagine that anyone else does either :)

[kalniel]

Ok guys, take it easy. There are plenty of places on the internet to try and score points off each other and generally do the forum hate thing, but here we're just going to talk about Atari games and related things - there's no need to comment on other posters.

[Aizen93]

[mod edit: If I ask you not comment on other posters, I prefer it when you take that on board. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just missed my last post :) ]

[PzR_Tak]

This thread has reminded me of this guy :Maynard James Keenan (Jimmy to his friends

http://forums.metacritic.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/367108/m/1650062585

On topic, I used an MS Wireless Racing Wheel for a short while, didn't use it enough to get used to it. Went back to pad. If I'd spent more time with the wheel, I assume I'd be getting the Fanatec wheel, as it's features sound fantastic.

[beradd88]

I know you have to plug the MS wheel in to get force feedback but will it work if you don't plug it in? (without the force feedback of course)

[PzR_Tak]

I know you have to plug the MS wheel in to get force feedback but will it work if you don't plug it in? (without the force feedback of course)

Yes it will, obviously on batteries though (or rechargable battery pack)

[beradd88]

so does plugging it in not only give you force feedback but also eliminate the need for batteries?

[PzR_Tak]

so does plugging it in not only give you force feedback but also eliminate the need for batteries?

Indeed. It can run all the power it needs using the power cable.

[Brako_UK]

Yes,from what i have heard,you should never use the batteries aswell as the plug-in as it can cause problems so just use one or the other at any single time.

[beradd88]

I just ordered one. I will probably stick to plugging it in. I just wanted to know just in case the force feedback makes my driving skills any worst than they already are! Thanks for answering my questions.

[Brako_UK]

Your most likely gonna have to really put a lot of effort into getting used to it after mostly playing racing titles with a joypad but stick with it sir,not just for the added realism but also because of being to enjoy racing titles so much more using the wheel.

Like i said,stick with it even if it takes you weeks or longer,in the end i am sure you will be glad you did.After all,you probably wanted the wheel to enjoy racing titles that much more so in the end the effort will be very rewarding for you.

[beradd88]

I actually have a wheel for my pc so I have experience with using a wheel in a sim but I have not played a racing sim for a couple years. I am actually new to console gaming and I never thought a controller would be a good idea for a sim.

[leahcim35]

there's no need to comment on other posters.

So why do you keep doing it then? :bravo:mdr110sur10:chapeau:

[kalniel]

So why do you keep doing it then? :bravo:mdr110sur10:chapeau:

Because it's my job to keep you lot in line tonguegre

[PzR_Slim]

Hold your horses everyone!!

http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/message?board.id=steering_wheels&thread.id=2308&view=by_date_ascending&page=4

The last couple of replies in this thread from a logitech staff member are very interesting. The whole thread is basically people kicking off that the G25 is not supported on the 360. Someone then pipes up with details of the fanatec porsche wheel. The logitech staffer then gets all cloak and dagger about what they might be coming up with next. Now I own a G25 and it is immense, plus only half the price of the similar fanatec unit. So anyone thinking of buying the fanatec wheel might want to wait a little while until logitech reveal their masterplan

[leahcim35]

The last couple of replies in this thread from a logitech staff member are very interesting. The whole thread is basically people kicking off that the G25 is not supported on the 360. Someone then pipes up with details of the fanatec porsche wheel. The logitech staffer then gets all cloak and dagger about what they might be coming up with next.

Yeah, I read that the other day. But he specifically states before that nudge, nudge wink, wink stuff that, to his knowledge, they aren't working on anything for the 360. If that's not true, then that'd be an outright lie.

But that doesn't make sense, why would you say you aren't working on the 360, but you do have stuff you can't talk about, if the stuff is for 360? If you didn't want to mention a wheel for the 360, then you just wouldn't post anything. OTOH, if you do drop a hint about it then there'd be no point the hint being false would there?

Clearly if he knows they've got stuff coming up that he can't talk about, he must know what it is, and what platforms it's for...so although I can understand his secrecy, I don't buy the fact that he deliberate lied about it not being for the 360 if it actually is...so I think the only thing he knows about and was hinting at is new wheel(s) for the PC/PS3.

[PzR_Slim]

Yeah, I read that the other day. But he specifically states before that nudge, nudge wink, wink stuff that, to his knowledge, they aren't working on anything for the 360. If that's not true, then that'd be an outright lie.

But that doesn't make sense, why would you say you aren't working on the 360, but you do have stuff you can't talk about, if the stuff is for 360? If you didn't want to mention a wheel for the 360, then you just wouldn't post anything. OTOH, if you do drop a hint about it then there'd be no point the hint being false would there?

Clearly if he knows they've got stuff coming up that he can't talk about, he must know what it is, and what platforms it's for...so although I can understand his secrecy, I don't buy the fact that he deliberate lied about it not being for the 360 if it actually is...so I think the only thing he knows about and was hinting at is new wheel(s) for the PC/PS3.

Totally agree with all you say. For me it's the second post that's the most interesting.

'Just understand that I'm limited in what I can say' and then the wink. Why would he post that unless there WAS something to hide. It's a while still before we could get our hands on the Fanatec wheel, so hopefully more info will be forthcoming before we bite the bullet and plump for the fanatec wheel.

[Diablo_]

Maybe it's because they have something ready to go but Microsoft aren't willing to allow it due to it clearly stealing sales from it's own rubbish. Wouldn't surprise me!

[perfectnobody]

.... but it's on the PS3 and that came out a year after the 360, so whats that supposed to mean?!weirdblue

scarp that... here is what he said, i misunderstood:
"Mind you, the G25 was out for quite a while before that product was even announced"
he is referring to the fanatec..
but my point still remains, it is compatible with the PS3, and that came out a year after the 360....

[fishstick-us]

All you need is a racquetball...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmwumERgTDg

Btw that is probably my best lap ever in the Corvette ...and it was the demo so the score and time was never recorded...haha Oh well.

[Brako_UK]

Wow indeed,great simple but effective modding there sir.Many thanks indeed for posting this and once i actually build a racing stand i will definetly will be hacking up some tennis balls for further improvement.



Late edit....I wonder if it's possible to configure the brake and accel pedals?,this way i could hack off some of the accel pedal,extend the length and trim the sides of the brake pedal,then switch it upside down and then have the brake set to accel and vice versa,then have it set at a proper angle.....Hmmmm.

[PzR_Slim]

Here's a link to the Forza forum I use. It shows a couple of the mods I have made to my pedal set.

http://www.forzamotorsport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1386

[Brako_UK]

Very good indeed sir,fine work.Haha although at first i was staring at the black keyboard,i thought it was the spectrum 128k.

[PzR_Slim]

Very good indeed sir,fine work.Haha although at first i was staring at the black keyboard,i thought it was the spectrum 128k.

lol, the Speccy 128 would wipe the floor with the 360 mdr1

[Brako_UK]

LOL indeed sir,and it did'nt explode every three months,and when things got really bad you just popped in a pokes tape and got infinite lives on Dizzy........Ahhh,great day's......oh and Stunt Car Racer,what a game for its time.

[PzR_Slim]

LOL indeed sir,and it did'nt explode every three months,and when things got really bad you just popped in a pokes tape and got infinite lives on Dizzy........Ahhh,great day's......oh and Stunt Car Racer,what a game for its time.

Now your making me feel really old :chapeau:

[PzR_Tak]

pokes tape

Ooooh. hardcore. I typed mine in. Starquake was a very long one. should have just taped it!

[Brako_UK]

Ahh but then the speccy day's were over and i moved onto the Amiga,mostly played leisure suit larry or there was a F1 game called Checkered Flag.

[crappucino]

When I were a lad we used to have to walk 10 miles in t'snow in bare feet to buy a loaf of bread. There were no racing wheels, we'd play Revs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L18wG4p5fQE)on the BBC Micro which is the daddy of all racing sims (they used real physics measurements from a F3 car)

Stunt car racer was ace, used to play that head to head over RS232 ;)

[N4S_Johnny_DK]

8 weeks ahhhhhh cant waith to try that Fanatec wheel on this game here yaaaa

Here is a new Fanatec 911 S wheel video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuNvGlUu7kM