Demo ?

[jusgsmf]

They said a Multiplayer demo b4 Xmas , so lets keep this threaad alive with rumours and hope some one from Atari CONFIRMS when we will see a demo soon.....

[rustymike12]

Are they going to come through with it? The days are numbered

[kennedy2125]

They had better release it before Xmas, I am bored to death of GRID and its unrealism (though I do accept it was never meant to be a sim). I have been waiting for something like Race Pro on the 360 for too long. If Atari and Simbin can go around the world to race meetings showing the game off then its good enough for me! Get the demo landed now, or better still Xmas Eve, so I have an excuse to hide myself away from the kids! Only joking, I don't have any kids!

BTCC and WTCC. Motorsport how its meant to be.:)

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Im really hoping for this demo soon!

Haha, didnt get this excited since FM2 was released last year

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

we're running out of days ;D unless they are going to release it on the 24th December and try and steal christmas!

and i reckon they just might steal mine if they did! ;D

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

A turkey doesnt take all day to eat ;)

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

haha ;D :chapeau:

[pbrown77]

Yeh I hope to see the demo prior to xmas. Keep me going until the february release date.

I can't seem to find any mention about the demo being released since months ago when they said 3 weeks.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Could have been 3 weeks dev time, but the time it takes to go through Microsoft, and all the singings, uploads, checks can take 2 weeks and even then its out of Simbin/Atari's control

[Aizen93]

So, a feb release date is now confirmed or not?

[nagge]

So, a feb release date is now confirmed or not?

Nothing is confirmed, the only thing the official site says is January 2009 and until they change that I wont loose hope ;)

Although ataris italian site now says 12/2/2009, http://www.it.atari.com/xbox360/race-pro-750.html

[bhcbubba]

that maybe ebgames here in saying the 17th of feb

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

that could be the release date in italy... hopefully!

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

I dont think Europe will have a whole 2 week gap.

[leahcim35]

I dont think Europe will have a whole 2 week gap.

None English speaking may well do.

As for the demo, I'd be surprised if it doesn't appear, given the number of videos around of people playing this at games expos, motorsport events and so on and their general positive response to it...

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

as i said before, they are running out of days...

[nagge]

As for the demo, I'd be surprised if it doesn't appear, given the number of videos around of people playing this at games expos, motorsport events and so on and their general positive response to it...

Yes it would make perfect sense to release the demo before Christmas to build interest for the game since a release shortly after Christmas isn't ideal from a marketing perspective. And as you said, there has been numerous videos ranging from months ago where the game seems to be at least "demo ready".

[leahcim35]

Yes it would make perfect sense to release the demo before Christmas to build interest for the game since a release shortly after Christmas isn't ideal from a marketing perspective. And as you said, there has been numerous videos ranging from months ago where the game seems to be at least "demo ready".

For this game especially. I've noted a lot of "preaching to the choir" in marketing terms, clearly folk on forza 2 forums, at race events, and other race sim forums are sold on the idea of a simbin release and will probably buy demo or not.

But, the more general world of video games seems almost "so what?" when they see screenshots of a track or a car or when they interview the devs.

The key thing about this game, of course, is its realism, and what it feels like to drive....oh I hope too that they have 60fps like Forza 2, which is worth far more when you're flying around a track than merely looking pretty. You can't really get that across in any other way other than by letting folk play it [aside from their reputation, of course]

e.g The game was on playr in the UK a while back, and they basically just took the mickey out of the guy presenting it, as though to say "it's just tracks and cars... yawn" - but the same programme didn't do that with Grid [they had a lot of coverage of the game] which is just racing cars on tracks as well, and not even in a realistic way [and with blurry sub 30fps graphics]

edit: or for another example, I read on a forum that Nascar 09 is currently the best 360 racing game in terms of realism [although the guy expected this to top it] So, wondering why I'd never heard of it before, I looked for a demo and afaict there isn't one? If it is a realistic game they did themselves a disservice there, because I generally try all the demos of racing games, and so far Forza 2 is the only one I've bought because all the rest are arcade...

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

LOL Grid was a pile of...rubbish!

[PzR_Tak]

Quite a lot of people waiting here. Wish we had some sort of update.

[nagge]

Yup, its awfully quiet from Atari/Simbin... :/

[Aizen93]

It's weird that we don't even get a single update from them. Atleast if the demo isn't coming release some screens, new vids whatever.

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

or tell us...

[nagge]

Ouch, now the Swedish atari website also says february, guess it's pushed back :(
And the UK site as well.

[Aizen93]

Ouch, now the Swedish atari website also says february, guess it's pushed back :(

I really don't mind the full game being pushed back to Feb, i want it to be the best it can be and if they need more time to adujst things i am more than happy with that. WE JUST NEED A DAMN DEMO ALREADY!!!

[nagge]

I really don't mind the full game being pushed back to Feb, i want it to be the best it can be and if they need more time to adujst things i am more than happy with that. WE JUST NEED A DAMN DEMO ALREADY!!!

What I'm "scared" of is that when the game gets pushed back so does the demo, sure hope it isn't that way. :mefiant:

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

january 2009 here

http://videogames.atari.com/racepro/#/uk/home/

[nagge]

january 2009 here

http://videogames.atari.com/racepro/#/uk/home/

It's always said January, but check out each countries own atari website and you will see that quite a few have changed to february.

http://www.se.atari.com/xbox360/race-pro-508.html
http://www.uk.atari.com/xbox360/race-pro-260.html
http://www.dk.atari.com/xbox360/race-pro-464.html
http://www.it.atari.com/xbox360/race-pro-750.html
http://www.es.atari.com/xbox360/race-pro-319.html
http://www.fi.atari.com/xbox360/race-pro-513.html
http://www.no.atari.com/xbox360/race-pro-503.html
etc....

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

well if it's delayed again i'd be EXTREMELY dissapointed... i know that release dates are just to get pre-orders, but seriously 6 months of delays? my friend has played the game and says that nothing was locked on it, hundreds of people have played it and posted stuff on youtube... why can't you just release it, it's gone too far now.

[nagge]

Could there be something that didn't pass microsoft's tests and therefore has to be rewritten? I'm just guessing as there's no info...

It isn't much asking for someone official to actually join in the discussion.

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

i just wish they would let us know... an official release date would be much better, you don't know how much i want this game, and every single time they put a release date i build up and up and then it gets delayed... it's just taking the piss now to be honest. at least it is if there isn't a good reason for the delay.

Thinking about it they're probably holding the release until later after christmas when everybody has money again, so with a bit of luck it'll be early feburary, just after everyone gets their pay at the end of the month ;D

Still, i'd buy this game if it was released on Christmas day...

[nagge]

i just wish they would let us know... an official release date would be much better, you don't know how much i want this game, and every single time they put a release date i build up and up and then it gets delayed... it's just taking the piss now to be honest. at least it is if there isn't a good reason for the delay.

Thinking about it they're probably holding the release until later after christmas when everybody has money again, so with a bit of luck it'll be early feburary, just after everyone gets their pay at the end of the month ;D

Still, i'd buy this game if it was released on Christmas day...

Trust me, I know how you feel :nuts:

Guess we'll have to wait for any official word seeing as they don't seem to keen on communicating with their intended customers :rolleyes:

[stuzster]

Hi Guys. New to the forum but have been watching the posts for a while now.
Yep, know what you mean about the demo being delayed. I rarely allow myself to get worked up about a game to such a degree to protect me from the disappointment if it's naff, but Race Pro has me hooked. Any delay is really frustrating so I hope there are some bods from Atari reading this forum that can give us an answer as to WHY!

Heres hoping!:)

[deflysurfer]

this is p**sing me right off come on atari give the paying punter some info on release date of game, and demo........ pleassseeeeeeeeeeeeeee:mad:

[Diablo_]

Chill out, no need for the hostility that's being shown here at the moment. What you guys need to realise is that this is a community forum for Atari, it's not necessarily the place where Atari will do all their announcements and such and at the moment they are also in effect restructuring themselves so hopefully this should give us some ways of accessing information directly but for now this is a forum to discuss about subjects relating to Atari and it's products.

As for a demo, realise the translation of the original article was wrong and it wasn't that it was going to be released in 3 weeks from the time of that article but in fact they were going to try and get a demo out in the 3 weeks before Christmas. And iirc Microsoft release signed off wares right up until the day so don't get disheartened until the end of Christmas Eve itself.

Also regarding the release change if there is one, if it has slipped to mid-February then this is only a 2-3 week delay and if they feel they need that then shouldn't we be happy they actually want to take that time to do the job properly rather than release on time and then worry about fixing it later through updates and patches?

This is Simbin's first outing on console also remember, so come on just be patient, I know it's difficult but just remember this game wouldn't even be making it's way in about 2 months if it wasn't for Atari saving it after THQ ditched it, the idiots that they were.

[nagge]

The issue I have with atari is the lack of information, I dont care where they publish it but at least communicate. Forza2 had their pitpass reports which were a great way of getting in sync with the community.

I couldnt care less if the game is pushed back, just say so, but that we have to guess why and if it really is pushed back is what really annoys me. Atari or Simbin knows what is going on and are choosing not to comment.

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

i know Simbin are going to make this game good, and i am prepared to wait for it, but at least a demo soon... they've been running demos at expo's and things for ages now...

but i understand you Diablo, you're 100% correct ;D

[Diablo_]

nagge, Microsoft Gaming Studios and Microsoft Xbox communicate with each other really well whereas 3rd Parties have a limit on what they can say HOWEVER I do agree Atari do not communicate that well ever since a certain Mole left but at the moment we can't really do anything about it as we mods are not Atari either and thus if we don't get told nothing unfortunately there is nothing we can tell.

An option is emailing Atari themselves or trying to find a contact for Simbin directly. IF we find out anything we will be sure to shout it out loud as possible but at the moment anyway the best place to get info about this game is not here. lol

[PzR_Tak]

An option is emailing Atari themselves or trying to find a contact for Simbin directly. IF we find out anything we will be sure to shout it out loud as possible but at the moment anyway the best place to get info about this game is not here. lol

I'm only quoting one of my friends here, but:

The only criticism I've got of Simbin is they are poor at clarifying release dates. I waited for GTR Evolution on PC for ages. Steam knew when it was out before Simbin did.


Not sure going the emailing Simbin route is going to be helpful!

[Diablo_]

Wow Atari and Simbin are perfect together then, they're both as silent as each other!

[rustymike12]

They HAVE been saying since OCT. "demo in 3 weeks", no misunderstanding that. I'm begining to think they're no different than all the rest.
If you follow blindly then beware of being led over a cliff

[Diablo_]

They have never said Demo in 3 weeks, this was a mistranslation, did you not read what I said above? They said they were aiming for a demo the 3 weeks before Christmas. The original article was from a Spanish or Portuguese website if I remember correctly.

[rustymike12]

How does what you say carry any more weight than a quote from an employee?
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurogamer.pt%2Farticl e.php%3Farticle_id%3D221888&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF8&sl=pt&tl=en

[PzR_Tak]

How does what you say carry any more weight than a quote from an employee?

At least he's being helpful, and not allowing this getting into a slanging match.

[Diablo_]

To answer your question; nothing.

Eurogamer Portugal translation of Race Pro delay:
http://66.102.9.104/translate_c?hl=pt-PT&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.eurogamer.pt/article.php%3Farticle_id%3D237359&usg=ALkJrhinBwdk57tfdS432TDvO7iAt0SEgQ

Announcement non-translated:
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/17566/Atari-to-Release-Race-Pro-in-January-Demo-Before-Xmas/

And the link you provided is the mistranslation, it wasn't in 3 weeks, it was in the 3 weeks before Christmas. I'm pretty sure there's an interview with a Simbin or Atari employee mentioning an end of year demo prior to this interview in fact.

[rustymike12]

Articles dated Sep. 13 said "in a few weeks"

over and out

[deflysurfer]

wooooooo, now then, now then, order please. all ive seen is before xmas, like mr mod says could be xmas eve. im dreaming of a race pro xmas just like the ones i used to know......... lol.

[PzR_Tak]

Articles dated Sep. 13 said "in a few weeks"

over and out

fair enough, it does, but that doesn't mean to say that the " Portuguese Journalist" didn't get the wrong end of the stick from the "Swedish Developer"

[jusgsmf]

lol , As the thread starter do I have the authority to call for order ? lol

Demo , No news is good news right - with Atari Live being held in London at the moment Im guessing the Demo will released this week , if not the start of next week.

As for the game , Chill , it happens all the time , and if a little extra polish is needed I would rather wait to have it.....

I waited 15 years for the new Guns and Roses Album , So a few more weeks waiting for this wont do any harm me lol

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Articles can always over-hype and exxagurate.

Thing is, T10 (FM2) had their pitpass reports because they actually employed a community section. They paid people to write this and also control the forums.

As far as I know, Atari do not do this.

[nagge]

Thing is, T10 (FM2) had their pitpass reports because they actually employed a community section. They paid people to write this and also control the forums.

As far as I know, Atari do not do this.

I'm not saying they should employ people to build a community. I just find if funny that to get the latest news on an Atari game, Ataris own website is the last resort ;)

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Well this is not too similar, PR are contacting Atari and Simbin, and getting their interviews and videos published on their website ASAP...

So why would Atari need to make a duplicate news thread?

You seem pretty good at finding news on the game anyway ;)

[nagge]

Well this is not too similar, PR are contacting Atari and Simbin, and getting their interviews and videos published on their website ASAP...

So why would Atari need to make a duplicate news thread?

You seem pretty good at finding news on the game anyway ;)

I mean like the latest track reveal, why isnt that posted on the official race pro site first? I'd prefer to get information directly from Atari rather then gamingsites. The purpose of a official website has got to be to publish the latest screens, videos and news, but they somehow outsourced that to gamingsites. There is no way keeping track of all the different things posted on those sites, it takes quite the effort ;)

[Brako_UK]

Does'nt microsoft own Turn10?.Perhaps Racepro has become such a brilliant racer they dont want to release it because it tramples all over there attempts..............just kidding...........kinda,really hope we see the demo before christmas

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Turn 10 are an affiliated company of Microsoft, technically, owned yes

[PzR_Tak]

Does'nt microsoft own Turn10?.Perhaps Racepro has become such a brilliant racer they dont want to release it because it tramples all over there attempts..............just kidding...........kinda,really hope we see the demo before christmas

There's no money in Forza for MS anymore. It sells for a tenner second hand, don't see new copies much anymore, and they gave it away with thousands of 360's last winter/the beginning of this year.

They'd make more money from the licence that Atari have to pay them to get each copy of the game certified.

[nagge]

Not to mention the rise in wheel sales if the game is any good :)

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

2.7Mil copies sold...and then 1.7Mil (avg) 1 piece of DLC....thats a lot of profit ;)

[KYLB0T]

Oh man I want a demo for this game. I played the demo for forza so much, and If I understand this one will have an online component. The demo alone will last me until the release.

[PerfectStrategy]

There's no money in Forza for MS anymore. It sells for a tenner second hand, don't see new copies much anymore, and they gave it away with thousands of 360's last winter/the beginning of this year.

They'd make more money from the licence that Atari have to pay them to get each copy of the game certified.
Ahaha, that is very funny. Forza Motorsport 2 has sold millions. Turn 10 is sticking around and there will be a Forza Motorsport 3 for sure.

If they were somehow losing money there is no doubt Microsoft would drop them in a second. Look at what they did to FASA, Ensemble, and Carbonated.

But the mods don't like the Forza talk apparently. So let's say I hope Race Pro will be an excellent game and hope it is better than Forza 2. If it is then let it sell many copies and be a merry christmas. mdr1

[Brako_UK]

I doubt Race pro will sell half as many copies as Forza 2.Forza 2 was created so that anyone could pick up and play the game,if the pyshics for Race pro are half as good as we are hoping for then come release day this forum will probably be hammered by hundreds of the younger gamers who bought this game thinking Forza 2 was realistic and so got this and discovered they cant control the cars"waaaaahhh this game sucks,the cars dont turn straight away and they dont slow down right away wahhhh waahhh".


What i do hope for is that Race pro still sells enough so that SIMBIN reap the rewards they deserve and they have a big enough following to create more racing titles for the 360

[leahcim35]

But the mods don't like the Forza talk apparently.

Really? You can't discuss anything in a meaningful way without reference to other things of the same type.

It'd be ironic too given the favourable comparison it's getting [and the fact that the Forza community sites seem to be discussing this game favourably as well...]

[PzR_Tak]

I meant in terms of Forza 2. It's not making as much money from it at the moment, but Race Pro would be as a full price game. Also Simbin are going to release DLC, and MS make money from that as well.

If it were as initially suggested, MS are trying to prevent Race Pro's release, I really don't see the business sense.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

A reminder that also, DLC is never really profitable for game manufacters

[Diablo_]

That's what Turn 10 said if I remember correctly. Make you (their customers) think that if they charge more than you expected that it's somehow ok as they're hardly making anything from it kind of thing.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Yeah, it was an answer when people flipped at (example) 400MS pts for Motegi I think it was...thats only like £3-$4.50

Thats about the average cost of my dinner....lol...something I could quite happily cough up :D

[Diablo_]

I thought it was originally 600 they wanted which meant you had to buy a 1000 as MSP only come in increments of 500. I remember this clearly as it was quite a deal over at FC.

Anyway we seem to be getting offtopic (me included d'oh!) so let's steer back on track and get back onto crying about the lack of a demo. :cry:

[PzR_Tak]

I thought it was originally 600 they wanted which meant you had to buy a 1000 as MSP only come in increments of 500. I remember this clearly as it was quite a deal over at FC.

Anyway we seem to be getting offtopic (me included d'oh!) so let's steer back on track and get back onto crying about the lack of a demo. :cry:

:cry::cry::cry: WHERE'S MY DEMO? :cry::cry::cry:

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

LOL = Januebruary 2009

[nagge]

I'm really beginning to loose doubt that we'll see the demo before Christmas :noooo: :cry:

Wouldn't mind if they charged 1000points for a well made track.

[Brako_UK]

I would'nt pay 1000 ms points for a dlc pack let alone a demo.Don't fret chief,hopfully it will be here soon,well there's only this week and about half of next week to find out

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

demos generally come out on fridays...

[AZT_Backfire]

The day of truth is tommorow, since demo's normally come out on fridays (as monk stated). So lets wait and see...

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

They come out on anyday

[PzR_Tak]

Only time I expect not to see something new on the Marketplace is at the weekend.

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

well we can only hope ;D

[kennedy2125]

As much as I pray that the demo is released before Xmas, I just can't see it now it appears the launch has been put back to February

Which is an absolute travesty since racegoers all over the world have been playing trial versions at events for months now.

And the silence from Atari/Simbin is unacceptable. If you want to sell something you PR it as hard as possible for as long as possible especially in the current economic climate where people are strapped for cash. Not only that but this forum was asleep until a week ago which is only because the Demo deadline was approaching.

If Atari were any good at PR this Forum would and should have been buzzing months ago on announcement of the first release date.

IMO Atari have conned us. They knew this game would not be released this year even when the initial November release date was announced. And there is a simple reason for that. Cheaper PR and less marketing expenditure. Which is fantastic business account management.

Why do I think this? Simple. I work in an industry which does the same thing day in day out and the consumer is none the wiser.

[vansant]

I'm playing devils advocate, this is just my opinion, I could be very wrong.

I'm sure this game would be considered low budget, which would explain the light pr. I usually find that official sites suck anyway, so the lack of info on this one doesn't surprise me. Fansites always seem to be the way to go.

As far as the delay, why would they be putting Jan. at the end of all their trailers if they thought from the beginning the game was to come out in Feb. or March. I would think they would leave it blank, as most other games do, unless it 's close to release. The official announcement for the last delay came much sooner after the speculation. So until we hear something official, I feel there is more evidence pointing to the Jan release.

[nagge]

So until we hear something official, I feel there is more evidence pointing to the Jan release.

I'd say Ataris national websites are quite official, and since they first said January and now says February it does look like it's been pushed back. :noooo:

http://www.autogaming.net/xbox360/1979/race-pro-coming-february-12th/

[Brako_UK]

Once a game goes gold its then out of the developers hands,the only people now that can really give any imformation is ATARI.Like other's have said though,i am starting to think the demo is'nt going to hit the market place before christmas.

[nagge]

Once a game goes gold its then out of the developers hands,the only people now that can really give any imformation is ATARI.

I doubt that it's already gone gold, I'm guessing it's in the certification process over at microsoft if it's even gotten that far.

[Aizen93]

Demo is VAPORWARE guys, with so much fans anticipating the release of a "demo" it's weird we don't even hear something official from Simbin, forget about Atari the devs should have made a statement already. Anyway it's best to just forget this whole thing and just wait for the game in Feb. What a dissapointment.

[nagge]

Anyway it's best to just forget this whole thing and just wait for the game in Feb. What a dissapointment.

That's easier said then done, I'm going to check the marketplace hourly all day before I let the thought of a demo go, if only over the weekend ;)
Come to think of it, its only 54 days, 20 hours, 48 minutes and 30 seconds until the 12/2 :)
http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?day=12&month=2&year=2009&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p0=239

[Diablo_]

You're obsessed!

[nagge]

You're obsessed!

I prefer devoted mdr1

[vansant]

Sorry for the new thread, should have put it under the demo thread.

Hang your racing gloves back up. It's going to be a little longer.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=7585

[Merged threads - kalniel :) ]

[nagge]

Oh ffs :cry:

well at least we got a date for the game :/

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

oh well it's better than not knowing...

[PzR_Tak]

Agreed, at least we know, and won't be scouring the marketplace for ages all over christmas.

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

check my sig for a countdown to the Race PRO release ;D

[leahcim35]

Oh ffs :cry:

well at least we got a date for the game :/

A date? We've had three up until now...

The tricky bit is avoiding getting another one :)

I dunno now though, I was geared up to getting this demo this week and pre-ordering based on that [and as a couple of us have pointed out, we've seen lots of people playing it] When I got Forza 2 and the MS wheel my PC was rubbish. Now I have a decent PC but no PC wheel, but I didn't really want to buy 2 wheels.

But, given the price of Simbin's games on steam it's tempting to buy Race 07 / GTR Evo and something like the logitech Formula Force EX, the price for those isn't that much more than a full price 360 game, and I could play it over xmas [and play other PC driving sims], rather than wait for this with the potential for further delays.

[PerfectStrategy]

A date? We've had three up until now...

The tricky bit is avoiding getting another one :)

I dunno now though, I was geared up to getting this demo this week and pre-ordering based on that [and as a couple of us have pointed out, we've seen lots of people playing it] When I got Forza 2 and the MS wheel my PC was rubbish. Now I have a decent PC but no PC wheel, but I didn't really want to buy 2 wheels.

But, given the price of Simbin's games on steam it's tempting to buy Race 07 / GTR Evo and something like the logitech Formula Force EX, the price for those isn't that much more than a full price 360 game, and I could play it over xmas [and play other PC driving sims], rather than wait for this with the potential for further delays.
Get the Fanatec wheel. For the price of two separate wheels you can get one cross-compatible wheel of extremely high quality and feature-set. :bravo:

Oh and don't worry about the release date being delayed. We're all anxious and it's hard for all of us to wait. But it means we will get a more polished game in return.

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

everyone's so hyped about the game that every time we get knocked back we get even more hyped about it! delaynig the game seems to be working for simbin ;D

[nagge]

A date? We've had three up until now...


Pessimist sour:

If they delay it again I will...I will...I will wait even longer :(

[leahcim35]

Get the Fanatec wheel. For the price of two separate wheels you can get one cross-compatible wheel of extremely high quality and feature-set. :bravo:

It's too expensive and it'd be money spent on things that don't matter to me [porsche badge, "limited edition" status] and given my stated reasons for buying a different one and the fact it's not coming out for 6 months or so and the fact I've already got a 360 wheel, well, you can join the dots :)

The logitech wheel I mentioned is about £36 if you shop around...and the PC versions of the game, under £20...as I said, I did the math and it's not much more than buying the 360 version. Paying the cost of 2 wheels? Err, no.

TBH the G25 would be more than I want to spend, but I'd get that ahead of any car-badged wheel. I don't even like Porsches which to me, are a triumph of putting the engine in the wrong place and spending billions in R&D fixing it, over just building a proper car in the first place :)

Lack of 900 degrees and stick shifters don't seem to bother Mr Hamilton on his wheel, so I don't see the fuss. Similarly for a clutch, unless you're sitting at traffic lights or waiting on a hill, on most tracks I find the strategy of not stopping to let the other guys pass works better :)

But yeah, if you're buying for the 360 and want some of the features, you've no real choice over wheels so I can see why this is selling.

Oh and don't worry about the release date being delayed. We're all anxious and it's hard for all of us to wait. But it means we will get a more polished game in return.

Well, TBH, I didn't expect the game to be coming out this week, so that's not an issue. The demo on the other hand...I don't care about polish on the demo, and as noted we've seen plenty playing it. But really, my brain is telling me that the PC is better, there are more racing sim games to choose from and it's only the fact that I have a wheel for the 360 that even makes me consider this. Had I been driving laps in race pro's demo, I might have forgotten about that and bought it, but as I said now they are making me think about it.

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

anybody know what content the demo will have in it?

[Diablo_]

I'm willing to bet on some cars and a track, I could be wrong though and we may only get a canoe.

[nagge]

A unicycle and an oval?
Both SP and MP has been stated before, other then that I'd guess maybe five cars from different classes and one or two tracks.

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

i'm hoping 2 tracks and a couple of cars..

[PzR_Tak]

I'm willing to bet on some cars and a track, I could be wrong though and we may only get a canoe.

:aie: Fantastic. didn't realise it was going to be a canoe simulator as well.

[nagge]

:aie: Fantastic. didn't realise it was going to be a canoe simulator as well.

That's why we have paddle shifters :o

[PzR_Tak]

That's why we have paddle shifters :o

Ah, personally, I use a button to alter which end of my paddle I put in the water.

edit: hmmm. There's a slightly wrong wording to that. I'm going to leave it though.

[rustymike12]

Ah, personally, I use a button to alter which end of my paddle I put in the water.

edit: hmmm. There's a slightly wrong wording to that. I'm going to leave it though.

uuhmmm, I was wondering if we were still talking about racing :nuts:

[PzR_Tak]

uuhmmm, I was wondering if we were still talking about racing :nuts:

Didn't you know, Diablo_ has personally changed the name and focus of the game to "Canoe Pro"

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Thank god there is no oval in this game

[rustymike12]

Thank god there is no oval in this game

I'll second that!!!superg

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Closest thing is Curitiba Oval - but thats a damn fun track. In a way its a lot like New York in Forza, with the long straights and limited corners, but has no walls or buildings. Pit stop on Curitiba Oval is interesting too....so easy to miss it

[SpecialistBoo]

Any more news on a demo release before xmas?

[Diablo_]

Yeah, it's not happening. The game is delayed a few weeks to mid-February and the demo is coming out in January. No date given but it will be before the 32nd anyway. ;)

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Yeah, long wait til jan for demo :(

[NickJames]

Atari has set a 13th February 2009 release date for the Xbox 360-exclusive RACE Pro.

That's a weekend's head start on America, where the game hits shops on 17th February. This gives us plenty of time to practice and put our foreign friends to shame, like we do in the rowing and, er, cycling. Pip pip.

Atari has a demo planned for "late January", too.

[PzR_Tak]

Atari has set a 13th February 2009 release date for the Xbox 360-exclusive RACE Pro.

That's a weekend's head start on America, where the game hits shops on 17th February. This gives us plenty of time to practice and put our foreign friends to shame, like we do in the rowing and, er, cycling. Pip pip.

Atari has a demo planned for "late January", too.

I love forum etiquette too.

[PerfectStrategy]

Atari has set a 13th February 2009 release date for the Xbox 360-exclusive RACE Pro.

That's a weekend's head start on America, where the game hits shops on 17th February. This gives us plenty of time to practice and put our foreign friends to shame, like we do in the rowing and, er, cycling. Pip pip.

Atari has a demo planned for "late January", too.
Europeans can have all the head start they want. But they won't be putting any Americans to shame, that is for sure.

It will just be a repeat of what happened with PGR3, PGR4, Forza Motorsport 2, and GRID. Aka an European ****-whooping. ::kc::

Please ignore the mention of other games :atari: mods :o

:bravo: It was in relation to what will happen with Race Pro :bravo:

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

are you sure?

FM2 #1 = Daveyskills... = GBR...

VWTCC champion? he's certainly not american...

[PzR_Tak]

Europeans can have all the head start they want. But they won't be putting any Americans to shame, that is for sure.

It will just be a repeat of what happened with PGR3, PGR4, Forza Motorsport 2, and GRID. Aka an European ****-whooping. ::kc::

Please ignore the mention of other games :atari: mods :o

:bravo: It was in relation to what will happen with Race Pro :bravo:

With regards to ****-whooping this (http://pgrnations.com/) disproves at least one of your claims.....

BackOne is Italian, Daveyskills comes from Liverpool, and I really don't feel that having leaders of the leaderboards not being the ****-whooping you are referring to, so Forza is out.

Grid doesn't count (non-sim), and to be honest, neither do PGR3 or 4 (again, non-sim)

edit: Please note that in this post, all that has been done is refuting the claims made in the quoted post. There are no counter-claims.

[PerfectStrategy]

With regards to ****-whooping this (http://pgrnations.com/) disproves at least one of your claims.....

BackOne is Italian, Daveyskills comes from Liverpool, and I really don't feel that having leaders of the leaderboards not being the ****-whooping you are referring to, so Forza is out.

Grid doesn't count (non-sim), and to be honest, neither do PGR3 or 4 (again, non-sim)

edit: Please note that in this post, all that has been done is refuting the claims made in the quoted post. There are no counter-claims.
GRID and PGR aren't just non-sim, they aren't NFS, they are semi-sims.

Ok, I have should have clarified, I meant European countries BESIDES the UK. The UK shouldn't be considered because it's not fair competition, they are in another league here. Like the prgnations website you linked, they are almost 10% higher than #2, which is just nuts honestly.

And since Daveyskills is obviously from UK, he doesn't count either. tonguegre

Now to restate with political correctness for you cupcakes:

"There shall be an American ****-whooping perpetrated upon non-UK European countries in Race Pro as such would be foreseeable based upon precedence established in semi-sim GRID, sim Forza Motorsport 2, semi-sim Project Gotham Racing 3, and semi-sim Project Gotham Racing 4."

lolblue:

weirdblue I hope that is sufficient for you Tak sour:

:bravo: oh this glorious age where everything must be said in the politically-correct manner, and not offend anyone in the world in any way possible :bravo:


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[PzR_Tak]

GRID and PGR aren't just non-sim, they aren't NFS, they are semi-sims.

....

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I love it. :laugh:

10sur10

Though I still refute any sim status given to grid.

[PerfectStrategy]

I love it. :laugh:

10sur10

Though I still refute any sim status given to grid.
You shall not beat my post count! :bravo: :respect:

And I thought TOCA Race Driver (aka pre-2008 GRID) was a respected racing sim? :cry:

[PzR_Tak]

You shall not beat my post count! :bravo: :respect:

And I thought TOCA Race Driver (aka pre-2008 GRID) was a respected racing sim? :cry:

Indeed, TOCA was fantastic, but with Grid they truly lost the idea of what made the Toca series good. They went after the "casual" market. A lot of my friends have utmost respect for the sim Toca's but they started going a bit downhill with the race driver series, and then grid was just xxxx. I'm not saying it's not a good game, but for a driving game following on from such good sims to be so watered down, truly is a travesty.

(And I think this puts me on 37)

[PerfectStrategy]

Indeed, TOCA was fantastic, but with Grid they truly lost the idea of what made the Toca series good. They went after the "casual" market. A lot of my friends have utmost respect for the sim Toca's but they started going a bit downhill with the race driver series, and then grid was just xxxx. I'm not saying it's not a good game, but for a driving game following on from such good sims to be so watered down, truly is a travesty.

(And I think this puts me on 37)
Oh, that explains it. I never played a TOCA game so I wasn't sure. But I noticed they did the same thing with DiRT because I had played the Colin McRae games and DiRT was very different.


So is everyone just kickin' it on FM2 while waiting for the Race Pro demo?

I personally am passing the time playing :atari: Test :atari: Drive :atari: :atari: Unlimited :atari::atari: god help me

[PzR_Tak]

I'm using the no-xmas demo break to play all sorts....

Forza, Fallout, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Mirror's edge... list goes on.

One thing that does surprise me is how little Simbin have showed the game off, to the press. Admittedly, with some of the videos I've seen of people playing it, I'm not sure I'd want to give the game to anyone to manhandle so badly. Honestly, I don't know how people can not know how to drive in a game like this. I don't mean assists or whatnot, but "The AI is on the other side of the track.... hmmm. I wonder if that means anything..... No, I'll just plow straight into the back of them."

Still, It's my most anticipated game of 2009 (currently). I can't wait to (controller) bin it on every corner with no assists!

[leahcim35]

Ok, I have should have clarified, I meant European countries BESIDES the UK. The UK shouldn't be considered because it's not fair competition, they are in another league here.


Well they're BESIDE the UK because it's in Europe :)

The Finnish'd beat you too, but they all do it for real anyway instead of learning to walk, or something like that :)

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

are you sure?

FM2 #1 = Daveyskills... = GBR...

VWTCC champion? he's certainly not american...


Right, just to clear some stories on the so called 'fastest countries' and fastest guys.

Daveyskills is a great guy, very fast and has worked hard for hotlap #1, but..

Fastest FM2 guy = Cam. No questions. aka iCam v1 - anyone who has followed the greatest in forza will tell you that if you place the best of the best together in a lobby, cam would win.
Cam hasn't hotlapped everything, so you wouldn't expect it, but those scoreboards are not hit as hard as they should.

If the greatest guys got their A-game on for Race pro, the leaderboard would be a very colourful variety:

UK - Daveyskilly, Picaso, Skywalker, Nikrox, ChilledHeat,
USA - babyeater, feralclown, JED, Smokinu, AJ The Boy, Ch0mpr, Dark Storm, WildChild906
Holland - KimiMatt, headyman, Handewasser
France - TurBoNeTic, Basco,
Itlay - BackONE AbS, D4RKSP33D
Spain - Fullspe3D, KIKO, Raoo1
Finland - Lazy JoeFIN, FinPro
Sweden - Nonni D, Shota,
Australia - Cam, Greeksniper,
Japan - Avesta
Brazil - MonoPeak
Austria - AlpineArts

Other/Unkown - Natnaii, Eries, seba grisea, YggdrasiL, BrYce

So yeah, theres some names to watch out for on the Race Pro leaderboards, and now you know where they're all from ;)

[jumper5836]

Doesn't mean anything to me, if they are running with assists and a controller.

[PzR_Tak]

Doesn't mean anything to me, if they are running with assists and a controller.

This attitude doesn't really help, especially when you consider price. Are you saying someone without a wheel is an insignificant thing if they are faster than you, just because they can't afford it?

For the record, I use a controller, but of you check my times on other games, you will see I do not use assists.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

LOL - whatever you say, but give these guys time they are just as fast with whatever they use, well, 75% im sure of.

Dont be the elitist type by comdeming those who use ABS and a controller. Majority of the top guys use wheels so that they can be faster. As on Forza, the wheel is faster on Real world tracks. Fact

[TRC_Ermy]

LOL - whatever you say, but give these guys time they are just as fast with whatever they use, well, 75% im sure of.

Dont be the elitist type by comdeming those who use ABS and a controller. Majority of the top guys use wheels so that they can be faster. As on Forza, the wheel is faster on Real world tracks. Fact

hmm i dont agree...forza 2 is programmed for the controller but its also adjusted very well for support the wheel...now..if u are faster with the wheel its just of the skill with it but not because the wheel is faster than controller...i know lots of fast guys on forza 2 that have a wheel...they tried it for a few weeks...and then switched back to the controller..

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

No, forza was designed with the MS Wheel in mind, I had this convo with the T10 devs. Controller it is easier to get a top time, but master the wheel and you are unstoppable.

Anyway speaking of fast Italian drivers, hello there Ermy :) How are you?

[TRC_Ermy]

hm i still dont agree hellbr :) anyway i m fine, cant wait for this new baby to come on the 360

[mac_v2]

rolleyesa

This topic will go on and on... unless one of the options in the race settings could be "lock steering assistance off" similar to locking the ABS, TCS, LINE, etc.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

There is a certain assistnace with what ive read, but its not as if the controller steers for itself. The only advantage the controller has over the wheel is that the controller is easier to get to grips with.

Wheel is eventually faster, Ive had this discussion a million times

[PzR_Tak]

rolleyesa

This topic will go on and on... unless one of the options in the race settings could be "lock steering assistance off" similar to locking the ABS, TCS, LINE, etc.

This is then going against the general point of the xbox 360, where no-one is supposed to have "too much" of an advantage. Why do you think no-one is allowed to use a keyboard and mouse in FPS games? Everyone has the same hardware (except turbo pad users in COD) so everyone has the same chance.

With a controller, I don't have as much of an angle as a wheel user, so I need to be much more precise with my controller movements. I don't think MS would license/certify any game that could not be played to the highest level with a standard controller.

Another factor is the fact that I (at 26) do not drive, and have never had a lesson. Do you feel that because of that I should be disadvantaged by the fact that using a wheel to drive is actually foreign to me? (Doesn't stop me being able to drive fast in games, though)

All points for everyone to think about from a controller user's perspective.

[KYLB0T]

Another factor is the fact that I (at 26) do not drive, and have never had a lesson. Do you feel that because of that I should be disadvantaged by the fact that using a wheel to drive is actually foreign to me? (Doesn't stop me being able to drive fast in games, though)


I can tell you you don't need driving experience to use the wheel effectively. I got my ms wheel when I was 16, and at that point I had never driven a real vehicle, but that didnt stop me from getting top times using the wheel. I am now 18 and the wheel feels completely natural.

Getting the wheel seems like it was my driving lessons lol.

[AZT_Mad_Monk]

but still, turning off the steering assistance would give a massive advantage to the wheel users. To be honest the gaming developers are going to make the game as fair for everyone as they can, there's no way they would deliberately give an advantage to one party, and even less likely they would give an advantage to the wheel users because there are much less people using the wheel than there are using a controller.

The way i see it the wheel is a dis-advantage at the start because it's different from the controller and hard to get used to, but after that there's very little advantage between the wheel and the controller, the wheel will always be smoother and more accurate than the controller because you can use much smaller steering inputs, but there will always be faster reaction times with the controller because you can go lock to lock faster... Depending on how well you have brought up your right foot there will be a difference between everyone's throttle control on the Wheel, and it's the same for the pad, but i think there may be a slight advantage on the pad as my fingers are more sensetive than my feet, but that may also differ person to person, and it's the same with braking.

In conclusion i think there may be a slight bias to the controller as it's easier to get used to and your throttle/braking control won't be as sensetive, but when you've got a few miles behind your wheel experience i'm sure that the die-hard wheel users throttle control will improve massively, and then it will become more a matter of the game, as we know Hardcore sims like RFactor are much easier to control with the wheel, but as i said about the wheel on the xbox, after a while you can get used to using the pad on hardcore sims, but it takes time. Games that are 'dumbed down' like Forza and PGR will be easier with the pad. So looking at it, if your playing the sim on a gaming platform like the Xbox, then the pad (which the xbox was designed to be used with) will have a slight advantage, but on the PC where the hardcore sims are found then the wheel is the better option, but it also comes with a price tag...

just my slightly more than 2 cents ;D

[NickJames]

Anyone got any idea's for what game I can get while Im waiting for the demo and then the game to come out, all the games iv got Im bored of now, completed most of them and now need something to amuses me.

Any ideas people.

P.S - Iv got most racing games already but any suggestions welcome. :)

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

For what platform, Nick?

I remember that GT...didn't I race you in GamingExtreme's GT series on Forza?

[PzR_Tak]

For what platform, Nick?

I remember that GT...didn't I race you in GamingExtreme's GT series on Forza?

I'd probably assume the 360, other formats not so sure....

Without knowing what you've played recently, I've no idea what sort of thing would "float your boat". What sort of games do you like.

[NickJames]

Anyone got any idea's for what game I can get while Im waiting for the demo and then the game to come out, all the games iv got Im bored of now, completed most of them and now need something to amuses me.

Any ideas people.

P.S - Iv got most racing games already but any suggestions welcome. :)

Yer Hellbr1ng3r iv raced you before in Gaming Extreme’s rooms, had some good races,

Sorry about the details, its for the 360.

I would mention the games iv got BUT Atari would be right on my tail and issue warnings and stuff, so if ya like add me - Nick James123 - Let me no if you think there is anything decent that I can by to pass the time till Race Pro comes though my letter box.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Well Forza is the only thing on the 360 that is simulation. Then Race Pro will knock it out of the water maybe.

Erm, for a laugh you could try PGR4?
PGR4 + BMW M1 Procar + Nordelscheife + Sim mode + Snow = WIIIIN

[PerfectStrategy]

Baja: Edge of Control
DiRT
Burnout Paradise
Burnout Revenge
Vigilante 8 Arcade
Dash of Destruction (free)
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Crackdown


All of these games sort of involve racing and they are all good in my opinion. Edge of Control is sim-based in my experience, but I am not familiar much with baja racing. Seems very sim though.

[leahcim35]

There is a certain assistnace with what ive read, but its not as if the controller steers for itself. The only advantage the controller has over the wheel is that the controller is easier to get to grips with.

Wheel is eventually faster, Ive had this discussion a million times

It's simply not true though. Unless you have some evidence to support it.

Have you watched the replays and looked at the telemetry to actually see what controller folks are using? [You'll also see at a glance how much the steering is smoothed out by the game because typical controller inputs are (a) Complete lock to complete lock, which would crash if you used the wheel and (b) multiple pushes one direction followed by snaps back to the centre, for gradual turns]

The guy who is actually number 1 and the guy who you decided is the fastest in the game [assuming cam is icam v1 both use the controller. At least in every replay I've looked at of theirs :)

There are some guys near the top that have use the wheel for many of their top times [kimimatt for example] but kimimatt is afaict falling down the lists now that more and more folks with controllers are taking the top spots.

Thus, on current evidence - at least the replay evidence that I've seen, obviously I've not looked at every top 10 replay, either the controller is faster, or it doesn't matter...but there's no evidence afaict that the wheel is faster.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Actually, the majortiy of #1 times or real world tracks are with steering wheels. Kronoturbo, BackOne, D4RKSP33D they are all wheel users. A lot ov V12 are wheel users too.

I dont have evidence to support it, nothing I can just post and say 'here' but the game was designed for the wheel in mind, and is that little bit faster. Kimi is incredibly fast, and he is a wheel user.

[IVORBIGUN]

UK - Daveyskilly, Picaso, Skywalker, Nikrox, ChilledHeat,
USA - babyeater, feralclown, JED, Smokinu, AJ The Boy, Ch0mpr, Dark Storm, WildChild906
Holland - KimiMatt, headyman, Handewasser
France - TurBoNeTic, Basco,
Itlay - BackONE AbS, D4RKSP33D
Spain - Fullspe3D, KIKO, Raoo1
Finland - Lazy JoeFIN, FinPro
Sweden - Nonni D, Shota,
Australia - Cam, Greeksniper,
Japan - Avesta
Brazil - MonoPeak
Austria - AlpineArts

Other/Unkown - Natnaii, Eries, seba grisea, YggdrasiL, BrYce

So yeah, theres some names to watch out for on the Race Pro leaderboards, and now you know where they're all from ;)
In my time of playing PGR3/4, FM2 I would certainly agree with your list.

Recently i've been playing GT5 Prologue which im becoming increasingly tired of so now I cannot wait for RacePro to be released.

Great to see some familiar names on this forum by the way.:)

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Thanks man, I recognize your GT from the early days of Forza 2. Used to race for GBR for a while?

Well, Ill give you a race when it comes out lol! I cant wait!

[leahcim35]

I dont have evidence to support it, nothing I can just post and say 'here' but the game was designed for the wheel in mind, and is that little bit faster.


It's simple really, if the wheel were really faster then the top drivers would all being using the wheel. But they aren't. Maybe there are 10 people somewhere who, using the wheel, will complete the game, become the top 10 drivers, and demonstrably blow all the controller users out of the water with their faster lap times, but right now, as you know, the wheel has proven to be no faster than the controller, and the evidence is on Forza's website.

kimimatt is fast, but he isn't the fastest, at least not at the moment...and even if he's in the top 10, there are some guys with controllers there who have proven to be just as quick, if not quicker. Indeed, kimimatt being fast but not the leader is in fact some of the best evidence that the wheel isn't faster.

To be honest, imo, if someone is fast it probably doesn't matter what controller they use. They adapt. The only real question is whether the steering assist that the controller user gets would give an edge to someone over a wheel user, given two otherwise equally skilled drivers.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Well, its all down to player adaptation of the controller/wheel. Not the hardware itself.

Maybe player A with the controller can run a 54.7 but with a wheel gets a 54.6
Player B with the controller gets a 54.7 but with a wheel gets a 54.8

And as for KimiMatt - he's just as fast as Cam, and he's faster than BackONE.
The HLC season where KimiMatt actually put in his all I watched as BackONE never took a single victory, and KimiMatt swept up.

[VGHB_Eifer_AbS]

Well, as regarding the wheel/pad discussion many high ranked racers claim that the pad is way better then the wheel, than u better don't say that most of V12 racers use the wheel, because it's not true!! In fact 90% of them use the pad( Darkspeed himself uses a pad!! Just go and check the telemetry if u know how to do that). Then I would never say that kimi is faster than backone, just because it is false! Ok kimi won the last season but don't forget that backone won effortlessly the other 3 seasons!!( and perhaps nobody knows that back dindn't win the fourth one just because he had a brocken wheel!!) But anyway it's just ur personal opinion, but the facts don't support ur theory... The game isn't out yet and people are already throwing **** at V12... Everybody know how it's gonna end...

[leahcim35]

And as for KimiMatt - he's just as fast as Cam


Y'know it's funny that only a few posts ago in this thread you told us that Cam was the fastest overall in FM2 :)

I couldn't make this up...although I think you have ;)

BTW, I noticed today in the class D and C hotlaps I was doing that Darkspeed was using the controller, so I shan't bother with this discussion anymore :)

[TRC_Ermy]

Well, its all down to player adaptation of the controller/wheel. Not the hardware itself.

Maybe player A with the controller can run a 54.7 but with a wheel gets a 54.6
Player B with the controller gets a 54.7 but with a wheel gets a 54.8

And as for KimiMatt - he's just as fast as Cam, and he's faster than BackONE.
The HLC season where KimiMatt actually put in his all I watched as BackONE never took a single victory, and KimiMatt swept up.

ok now i see u getting the point hellbr =)
so now if u say so, u will come to agree with me? is right to say Wheel is faster than pad or viceversa? of course not! :P

[RossiIRL]

where is the demo

[TRC_Ermy]

mid/end of january

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

ok now i see u getting the point hellbr =)
so now if u say so, u will come to agree with me? is right to say Wheel is faster than pad or viceversa? of course not! :P


Yeah, it all depends on the user and how they react to both the controller and the wheel..

Me? I will be using the controller, but I will try with my wheel on Race Pro on the demo also, to compare times.

But I only have a cheap wheel so it doesnt offer any feedback...also room is a problem

[V12DOCTOR]

one "high definition" screenshoot of racepro

http://static.rbytes.net/full_screenshots/f/1/f1-racing.jpg

[Diablo_]

Wow they've really polished it up these last few months!

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Heeeey Doctor! Hows it going?

[EVO8drifter21]

those graphics will be the benchmark for our future consoles, im sure of it eekblue:

[V12DOCTOR]

...Bringer, we are waiting for THIS game, and I hope that it will be THE game!

[jusgsmf]

this HAS to be the GAME , there is nothing else coming soon !!!

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Ok well watch out V12 - my slot car can drop lots of oil! Haha

[leahcim35]

those graphics will be the benchmark for our future consoles, im sure of it eekblue:

If the credit crunch continues for long enough that might be more true than you think :)

[EVO8drifter21]

If the credit crunch continues for long enough that might be more true than you think :)

god i sure hope not... lol.

[Comet302]

this HAS to be the GAME , there is nothing else coming soon !!!

you're right about that.... nothing at all out there.... once the demo is out we will all be much happier... or not... the wait is almost over... then we can start talking more about it then.......mdr1

[AZT_Backfire]

This will be the telling between people who are nerds and sit on an xbox to play a computer game and those who actually have some general knowledge and a passion for motorsport [hopefully] lets wait and see...

[nagge]

17th of January? At least according to this german site if I'm not misinterpreting.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sv&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xbox-360-games.info%2F2009%2F01%2F04%2Frace-pro-release-und-demo-im-anmarsch%2F&sl=auto&tl=en

Edit: Sounds strange when I think about seeing as the 17th is a Saturday and i don't remember anything being released on a weekend.

[PzR_Tak]

Agreed, date seems wrong.

Interpretation of that translated article is near impossible. Any native German speakers here to give us a more understandable translation.

[Brad_]

Well I found an english blog with similar news, posteed way back on December 26th.

http://softwarengameslinkshere.blogspot.com/2008/12/race-pro-demo-coming.html

[DerOutlaw]

First of all, the author of the page got the release date for the full game wrong, saying that release day is 17th of January.

The article also doesn't reveal, where the information comes from, but my best guess is that the author either simply thought that the demo will probably be released one month ahead of the full game so he took the (US ?) release date 17th of February and simply replaced February with January OR he used this Worthplaying.com news item and didn't give them credit for the news:

http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=58525

So no confirmed release date for the demo.

edit: I'm talking about the german page.

[Brad_]

Alright, case settled... old news... same thought I got from the other post, which meant they must be getting very late news.

[nagge]

Way to put down the hope :(

;)

[SCOLancer]

My own personal thoughts about this is delay is because SEAT have pulled out of next years *this year* WTCC so maybe they are dropping them from the game and have to remove them and remodel a new car and company also that may have been why the demo was also delayed???????

[nagge]

My own personal thoughts about this is delay is because SEAT have pulled out of next years *this year* WTCC so maybe they are dropping them from the game and have to remove them and remodel a new car and company also that may have been why the demo was also delayed???????

Don't think that's why, seeing as it's the 2007 season that's in the game.

[SCOLancer]

Don't think that's why, seeing as it's the 2007 season that's in the game.


Do you know that for certain? i would asume they would go with current year i know its based on race07 but i mean running current seasons would seam more likely for a may current game?

[chilledheat]

correct me if im wrong, but SEAT have only pulled out of the BTCC, not the WTCC...

[nagge]

Do you know that for certain? i would asume they would go with current year i know its based on race07 but i mean running current seasons would seam more likely for a may current game?

Now that you mention it, I've just assumed they would copy the cars from Race07...hmm, have to take a closer look at some pics/vids.:mefiant:

Seat TDI's then? :D

[nagge]

correct me if im wrong, but SEAT have only pulled out of the BTCC, not the WTCC...

Correct, BMW, Honda, Seat and Chevrolet is still in the WTCC.

[PzR_Tak]

Now that you mention it, I've just assumed they would copy the cars from Race07...hmm, have to take a closer look at some pics/vids.:mefiant:

Seat TDI's then? :D

Pics and vids I've seen show 2007 liveries.

[chilledheat]

Well, Honda might not be - there isn't a manufacture entry, only in part helping N. Technology, and thats about to fold. It is essentially BMW, SEAT and Chevrolet...

[nagge]

Pics and vids I've seen show 2007 liveries.

Yup, seems as if my assumption was correct ;)
Makes sense really, why remake all cars from Race07 when you can just copy them.

[PzR_Tak]

Yup, seems as if my assumption was correct ;)
Makes sense really, why remake all cars from Race07 when you can just copy them.

The entire thing is basically Race07 and GTR Evo, with less tracks.

[nagge]

Well, Honda might not be - there isn't a manufacture entry, only in part helping N. Technology, and thats about to fold. It is essentially BMW, SEAT and Chevrolet...

What ever happened to Lada?

[Aizen93]

The entire thing is basically Race07 and GTR Evo, with less tracks.

And a new GFX engine (LIZARD)

[chilledheat]

well....its Lada lol

[PzR_Tak]

And a new GFX engine (LIZARD)

All right, I forgot to mention that. Features wise, it is as I said, though.

I do find it funny when driving around on 07, and seeing the Lizard adverts!

[nagge]

Will be great to see how they've managed to build their own graphics engine. Still remember when Simbin was just a modding team, quite the journey I expect :)

[Aizen93]

Will be great to see how they've managed to build their own graphics engine. Still remember when Simbin was just a modding team, quite the journey I expect :)

Well they need to take a break from that journey and give us the damn demo already. :)

[nagge]

Well they need to take a break from that journey and give us the damn demo already. :)

Couldn't agree more specialdri

[sideways-steve33]

Hi guys. New on here but been reading this forum for a few months now.

I carn't wait till I play this. Even booked a holiday at work so I can play it all week.

I've played Gtr,Gtr2,Gtl, Race 07 so i've got a good knowledge of Simbins work. I may see a few of you online. I am not a quick driver but I'm a clean racer. Hopefully the NFS type players get put off by this type of game.

[SCOLancer]

Hehe guys im just tring to provide a reason for not only game delay but also demo so i honestly thought it was WTCC SEAT pulled from i must be wrong ? who's the driver now then?

[SCOLancer]

What ever happened to Lada?


Did they not need a rolling start lol

[Comet302]

push start.... lol...

[beradd88]

I been reading this forum for a while and I am excited for the Race Pro demo and actual game to be available. I got Grid cheap hoping that it would kill some time untill the demo came out but that has to be the most over rated game ever. I know it is an arcade game but it is just plain horrible.

I hope that enough people enjoy Race Pro so that more realistic racing games and racing games based on an actual racing series become available

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Ill agree with that! LOL

Grid....overrated :D

[V12DOCTOR]

http://www.hardcoregamer.com/index.php?option=com_magazine&id_rubrique=1&type=article&id_article=239


at the end they say:


If you are looking for your next racing game, look elsewhere. There are simply better ones out there.



I HOPE IT'S A JOKE!!!

[PzR_Tak]

http://www.hardcoregamer.com/index.php?option=com_magazine&id_rubrique=1&type=article&id_article=239


at the end they say:


If you are looking for your next racing game, look elsewhere. There are simply better ones out there.



I HOPE IT'S A JOKE!!!

Think you might be a little bit late with this one:

http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=88096

[SCOLancer]

I wouldnt worry about that review in the slightest have you seen his reviews before race pro if not heres the list

UberSoldier II: The End of Hitler - 3 out of 5
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise - 3.5 out of 5
Warhammer: Mark of Chaos - 3 out of 5
Unsolved Crimes - 3.5 out of 5
Quantum of Solace - 3 out of 5
BLITZ: The League II - 3 out of 5

Lmao Hardcore gamer my backside he thinks growing pinata's is better than most games

Way too go Tony Mitera stick to your gardening m8 and we'll take care of the tarmac

[PerfectStrategy]

I wouldnt worry about that review in the slightest have you seen his reviews before race pro if not heres the list

UberSoldier II: The End of Hitler - 3 out of 5
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise - 3.5 out of 5
Warhammer: Mark of Chaos - 3 out of 5
Unsolved Crimes - 3.5 out of 5
Quantum of Solace - 3 out of 5
BLITZ: The League II - 3 out of 5

Lmao Hardcore gamer my backside he thinks growing pinata's is better than most games

Way too go Tony Mitera stick to your gardening m8 and we'll take care of the tarmac
Viva Pinata is better than those other games. It is actually an excellent game (and not just for kids or families). So maybe you shouldn't be a hypocrite you blithering idiot.

[Aizen93]

Viva Pinata is better than those other games. It is actually an excellent game (and not just for kids or families). So maybe you shouldn't be a hypocrite you blithering idiot.

WTF is wrong with you calling names?! Lanc gave he's opinion, well if you like Viva Pinata good for you dude no need to call people stupid just STFU

[SCOLancer]

Viva Pinata is better than those other games. It is actually an excellent game (and not just for kids or families). So maybe you shouldn't be a hypocrite you blithering idiot.

Firstly Keep your snide remarks to yourself i never called you nor anyone else anything...

Secondly...Viva pinata may well be better than those games have you played them all? i played the first one not the second but then it definatly is not better than most games sales on top 100 lists define that so lets not dwell on it

Thirdly...i was simply pointing out his reviews before Racepro none of which are racing games and infact he hasnt reviewed any racing games for a long time it was someone else in the mag who did the latest games

Lastly... Go take yourself to the corner of the room opposite to your computer slap yourself in the face and say calling people names on the internet does not work :nono:

;) Hajiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[PerfectStrategy]

WTF is wrong with you calling names?! Lanc gave he's opinion, well if you like Viva Pinata good for you dude no need to call people stupid just STFU
Man? What the **** **** is your problem? Mind ***** your own ******* **** ******** business and ***** ***** you ***** with ***** or else ******* **** you ****** *** ****** cheese-grating ****** ***** son of * ******* *** **** mother-************** !


*****!!!!

[SCOLancer]

Man? What the **** **** is your problem? Mind ***** your own ******* **** ******** business and ***** ***** you ***** with ***** or else ******* **** you ****** *** ****** cheese-grating ****** ***** son of * ******* *** **** mother-************** !


*****!!!!


Oh dear i think someone forgot to use spell checker:o

[Julio_Geordio_9]

Man? What the **** **** is your problem? Mind ***** your own ******* **** ******** business and ***** ***** you ***** with ***** or else ******* **** you ****** *** ****** cheese-grating ****** ***** son of * ******* *** **** mother-************** !


*****!!!!

LMAO....did you not get your happy meal today?

:salut2:

[kalniel]

Right, calm down people. No more insults, starred words or anything nasty. Get on, or get off the forums.

Demo has been announced, when it comes out we can start a new thread about it.