Multiplayer

[SpecialistBoo]

Is the multi player going to be an open format, so i can choose any car on any track or will it be like grid when you cant choose a car then choose the track, you can only have certain class of car on a certain track..( i think that sucks)?

Cheers.


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[chilledheat]

i'd be almost certain you can drive any car on any track

the only thing you won't be able to do is have multi-class cars on the same track at the same time...at least i don't think...

[SpecialistBoo]

I hope so, im realy looking forward to this i dont want another let down

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

In Race 07 you could have multi-class - I hope you can do it on Race Pro.

Great fun having WTCC cars run at the same time as Mini's :D

[nagge]

i'd be almost certain you can drive any car on any track

Anything less would be utter stupidity on their part.

[RossiIRL]

that would be stupid ,,u will have noobs using konisaigs while everybody else uses lacceti's,,,i think it shud be a voting way like grid but only for car clases and have seperate voting for 3 tracks

[SpecialistBoo]

that would be stupid ,,u will have noobs using konisaigs while everybody else uses lacceti's,,,i think it shud be a voting way like grid but only for car clases and have seperate voting for 3 tracks

Go play grid then.. its system sucks and shoudnt of even made the 360 range, it was so not next gen graphics or game play.. codies need to go back to the original toca series to make a good name for themselfs..( but im waiting for the gr8 race pro) so dont care either way..

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

that would be stupid ,,u will have noobs using konisaigs while everybody else uses lacceti's,,,i think it shud be a voting way like grid but only for car clases and have seperate voting for 3 tracks

Not exactly, its down to what limitations the host sets....dont know what they are as of yet...

[Brako_UK]

Personally i think it should be a case of"what host say's,goes".If people dont like the choice's they can always create there own room.

After experiencing online gaming with playing Forza in the past,i have pretty much been put off online gaming but it had a fantastic feature called "free run"..........i think thats wha it was called anyway,always thought fast lap would have been more appropiate for a racing game.

Anyway......What i am really looking forward to in Race pro is just doing fast laps and seeing where i can place on world leaderboards.

[EVO8drifter21]

u think you'll be able to run the R8's and Vipers together? or the Formula 3000's up against the Formula BMW's? i think that u might be able to, but ive never played a true race sim such as rFactor, GTR, or Live For Speed...

[PerfectStrategy]

u think you'll be able to run the R8's and Vipers together? or the Formula 3000's up against the Formula BMW's? i think that u might be able to, but ive never played a true race sim such as rFactor, GTR, or Live For Speed...
Why not? The more customization options the better. You can race by class if you choose. Put an inexperienced person in the Viper and the better person in the R8 and it should be a fun race. Although the Viper would still probably smoke the R8.

[EVO8drifter21]

well probably since the viper has got 600 bhp and the R8 only has 420 bhp. Unless the viper driver can really not drive, then the R8 could probably win. Also do you think that there will be tons of DLC for this game like how GTR rFactor had mods like crazy?

[PerfectStrategy]

well probably since the viper has got 600 bhp and the R8 only has 420 bhp. Unless the viper driver can really not drive, then the R8 could probably win. Also do you think that there will be tons of DLC for this game like how GTR rFactor had mods like crazy?
Regarding mods, here is a quote from Microsoft's Chris Satchell:
Now the modding's a little different. Yes it could help rate mods, but the core issue of modding is what we talked about earlier - if you're not running in that sandbox, how do you guarantee security?

That's really where we've got stuck - making sure that nothing will hurt the user's system, and I'm a little disturbed when I think about other systems and people using what we call native code - code that goes right down to the metal - and then allowing people to run script mods on top of that without the right security measures. It could be really dangerous.

We've drawn a hard line because we very much care about security, and it seems like some other platforms don't seem to care quite as much. That kind of worries me for consumers. But all I can control is what we do on our platform, so that's where I'm going to focus - we're going to keep you safe because that's really important to us.


I personally don't want to see full-on mods for games that can be freely distributed with no protection systems. I would rather not have my 360 be at risk of account theft, crashing, bricking, etc. Nor would I like to see easier ways of cheating online.

One of the main reasons I like 360 is playing cheat-free games online. Sure there are still glitches and tricks like stand-bying your modem. But that's nothing compared to aimbots, evilhack, ghost-mode, god-mode, etc. On PS3 there are hackers on CoD4 that fly around with ghost-mode, are invincible (god-mode), and have aimbots. There are also more brute-force hacks such as this one I encountered where the guy was racking up knife-kills automatically every 2 seconds for the whole game.


If they allow mods on a 360 game without any kind of system that verifies the mods, then I am staying the hell away from that game.

[EVO8drifter21]

good points...:respect:

[perfectnobody]

how about a race with 2 different classes in it but each class is racing against itself. that would be cool

[PzR_Tak]

how about a race with 2 different classes in it but each class is racing against itself. that would be cool

I hope to be able to achieve something like that through a community driven thing. Not sure the game will do that sort of scoring mechanism, but I certainly could.

Inspiration comes from the Le Mans races. Would be better with more drivers on the track, but I guess that's a restriction from the Xbox 360's dashboard, chat functionality etc.

[leahcim35]

Regarding mods, here is a quote from Microsoft's Chris Satchell:

I personally don't want to see full-on mods for games that can be freely distributed with no protection systems. I would rather not have my 360 be at risk of account theft, crashing, bricking, etc. Nor would I like to see easier ways of cheating online.


That's largely just a lot of blather from MS. They are worried about security - their security, not yours. They don't want their platform opened so that you might use the 360 as you wish [as many do with the old version for example] or so that a game dev might have to pay less royalties or avoid them altogether.

It's a nice onion passing quote though, even had the laughable dig at other platforms not caring...I guess we're supposed to think of the PS3 are we? Clearly he forgot the role that MS have in the biggest open platform there is and the pretty fundamental role they've had in implementing insecure mechanisms for folk to cheaply abuse :)

In all the years of mod making on the PC, how many times has a renowned mod from a known team been released that contained malicious code to hurt anyone's pc or steal anything from them? It's simply not "cost effective". It takes a lot of effort and skill to create a mod and a mod needs to pretty good before it gains any kind of wide scale community interest so that lots of people download and use it - moreso with next gen games. To do that level of effort simply to deliver some malicious code would be, frankly, daft.

Nope, if you want to deliver malicious code or get people to give away account info there are simpler and far more cost effective ways.

[PerfectStrategy]

That's largely just a lot of blather from MS. They are worried about security - their security, not yours. They don't want their platform opened so that you might use the 360 as you wish [as many do with the old version for example] or so that a game dev might have to pay less royalties or avoid them altogether.

It's a nice onion passing quote though, even had the laughable dig at other platforms not caring...I guess we're supposed to think of the PS3 are we? Clearly he forgot the role that MS have in the biggest open platform there is and the pretty fundamental role they've had in implementing insecure mechanisms for folk to cheaply abuse :)

In all the years of mod making on the PC, how many times has a renowned mod from a known team been released that contained malicious code to hurt anyone's pc or steal anything from them? It's simply not "cost effective". It takes a lot of effort and skill to create a mod and a mod needs to pretty good before it gains any kind of wide scale community interest so that lots of people download and use it - moreso with next gen games. To do that level of effort simply to deliver some malicious code would be, frankly, daft.

Nope, if you want to deliver malicious code or get people to give away account info there are simpler and far more cost effective ways.
I never said they weren't interested in locking down their system for their own benefit. Obviously they want it locked down, of that there is no doubt. But then you go and just twist everything to your viewpoint and assume everything for the worst. You might as well start saying "m$ sucks" while you're at it.

If you listen to Major Nelson's podcast, Gamerscoreblog, platform-biased, etc. you would see that the Microsoft game division has some good people in it. They are interested in making a good product and having fun, as much as they are about business and making money. They all have PS3's and they even comment positively on PS3 games and features (same with Wii, DS, PSP). They also focus a lot on fixing/adding things based on feedback, such as the online marketplace, xbl party, game install, etc. They are still serious about satisfying core gamers, even some of the higher-ups. Like Mark Whitten who fought to secure games like Ikaruga, Geometry Wars 2, N+, etc.

Like you pointed out, mods work great on PC. But you need to understand how thoroughly established the PC is in this field. There have been mods for PC since the 90s. And everything on the PC is designed for multiple-applications/processes. That's why if a game crashes you can easily just shut it down from task manager or whatever. On the console it will likely freeze the system since the game is given all of the system's resources. If you remember back to Windows 95 or 98, you had to reboot your computer when your game crashed.

Also you cannot deny that there is hacking/cheating on PC games. That's one of the reasons I am primarily a console player now. Punkbuster just couldn't stop the rampant cheating. There is also hacking on PS3 as I have already pointed out.

I don't know if unrestricted mods would work just fine on the 360 without compromising any sort of security, stability, or fair gameplay. But I assume it probably wouldn't. All I know is that gaming on the 360 is cheat-free and hassle-free. And I would rather keep all of that. If mods can work without compromising anything then that would be fine. But I don't see the urgency for mods and I can always play games on my PC if I really want mods. Consoles haven't had mods until last year, and it didn't seem to bother very many people when they didn't.

[leahcim35]

I never said they weren't interested in locking down their system for their own benefit.


Yeah, I know, I was replying to what someone at MS said, you just quoted him :)


Like you pointed out, mods work great on PC. But you need to understand how thoroughly established the PC is in this field. There have been mods for PC since the 90s. And everything on the PC is designed for multiple-applications/processes. That's why if a game crashes you can easily just shut it down from task manager or whatever.


The PC running windows is the most likely computer to have malicious code aimed at it. AFAICT That was the point made, the innuendo that mods would make the 360 as bad as the PC [if you think about it, MS's comment was pretty much leveraging the experience they created with windows...if you hadn't used a PC why would you even imagine that a mod would steal your first born? FUD..."Ooh, using a mod will be bad...yes Chris thank you for protecting me from those evil modders..."]

Task manager shutting down stuff, stability or running multiple processes, these are strawmen. A mod in a game doesn't require anything other than the game to be running anyway. In fact, a lot of modding isn't even executables or scripts, it can just be textures / maps and stuff like that. For a game like this, there'd be far more interest, I'd imagine, in tracks, cars and skins than in adding an RPG mode :)

The original point seemed clear though - in an environment [the PC] where malicious code is fairly rife, mods don't appear to be a huge issue wrt having malware in them. To me it seems inaccurate to suggest that on the 360 they'd be a problem..[whether you're say it, or MS]


Also you cannot deny that there is hacking/cheating on PC games.


Yes, but, I generally think it's overstated. e.g most of the servers I play stuff like TF2 on are well policed and a lot of the accusations of cheating I see are actually false. I think there's a lot that's worse with the experience of gaming online that's just as bad on the console. [The cure for all these other ills is playing with friends or at least on servers you know or in respected comps. This generally cures the cheating on PC as well thus making cheating no more of an issue than the fact that, say, 99% of Forza 2 players can't drive in a straight line]

Aside from perhaps a small advantage that something like Carmack releasing the code for his last game, might have on cheats appearing for it, I don't see much connection between cheats and mods TBH.

[SpecialistBoo]

This post was for people to talk about the multiplayer side not mods and hacks.. and how easy the 360 is to mod/flash go talk about that in another rooms i wanted to know what ppl thought about race pro mp..... cheers

[Brako_UK]

Well Boo,for me personally i am not a fan of online gaming in itself but i find the leaderboards to be an amazing addition for making you strive to better your times.So for me,racing will be done in career mode and then i will be concentrating on fast laps to improve with leaderboard places.

[Comet302]

i am looking forward to trying out the co-op mode... where you drive for a bit.. then you switch with a friend... i sure hope that it's not just switching with another controller.... i would like to co-op race with an online friend - that would be great!... but after awhile it may get a little boring just watching someone else race... lol... :)

[PzR_Tak]

i am looking forward to trying out the co-op mode... where you drive for a bit.. then you switch with a friend... i sure hope that it's not just switching with another controller.... i would like to co-op race with an online friend - that would be great!... but after awhile it may get a little boring just watching someone else race... lol... :)

Think that's not in their plans. In the wet video where it has a lot of the front-end shown as well, it says:

Hotseat:

Race a friend using two controllers.

[Comet302]

ahhh.. the hot seat is for two controllers?... that sux..... well, i know i won't be doing that... lol.... one gets wheel, the other get controller - why bother?... IMO.... now it really does not sound very exciting at all....

oh well, 12 player races should be exciting!!!! i hope they have good servers!!!!

i just wish you could have a party of 12 in NXE.....

[PerfectStrategy]

ahhh.. the hot seat is for two controllers?... that sux..... well, i know i won't be doing that... lol.... one gets wheel, the other get controller - why bother?... IMO.... now it really does not sound very exciting at all....

oh well, 12 player races should be exciting!!!! i hope they have good servers!!!!

i just wish you could have a party of 12 in NXE.....
You could just have two parties and have the leaders of the parties coordinating. Once you are in the game together then you just set it to game chat and everyone can talk together.

[leahcim35]

This post was for people to talk about the multiplayer side not mods and hacks.. and how easy the 360 is to mod/flash go talk about that in another rooms i wanted to know what ppl thought about race pro mp..... cheers

Fair point, but if you check closely none of the preview videos or folk playing at game fairs and so on have had any online content at all....

So I think race pro mp is...in development.

[PzR_Tak]

This post was for people to talk about the multiplayer side not mods and hacks.. and how easy the 360 is to mod/flash go talk about that in another rooms i wanted to know what ppl thought about race pro mp..... cheers

Thinking about this post, I'd be able to talk about Race Pro Multi If I knew anything about it beyond 12 players. I WANT INFO!

[Brako_UK]

I wonder if it's worth asking someone form either Simbin or Atari to hold a Q&A thread on here to let us ask some questions.I know the game aint out yet but already this forum is starting to dry up badly,the least they could do is give us some new official info to keep us going till release day.

[nagge]

I wonder if it's worth asking someone form either Simbin or Atari to hold a Q&A thread on here to let us ask some questions.I know the game aint out yet but already this forum is starting to dry up badly,the least they could do is give us some new official info to keep us going till release day.

Why don't you give it a go, no harm in trying :)
Although I dont expect them to reply, I think this is a case of us just having to wait things out. Perhaps after the demo is released and when the game goes gold we might get the full feature list.

[PzR_Tak]

I wonder if it's worth asking someone form either Simbin or Atari to hold a Q&A thread on here to let us ask some questions.I know the game aint out yet but already this forum is starting to dry up badly,the least they could do is give us some new official info to keep us going till release day.

Good idea. To be honest, this forum isn't doing too badly, with no direction and no management, but a community guy really would work wonders here. I know the Forza guys aren't perfect, but at least they go onto their forums etc.

[Brako_UK]

Yes that is one thing nobody can sau bad about the Turn10 team,they are certainly dedicated to there fans and do a lot for them.I emailed Simbin from there official website from the email provided which was fansite@simbin.com
but the link is below incase any of you think a better address should be emailed.

http://www.simbin.se/main/contact.htm

[nagge]

We have to bear in mind that this is a small budget game compared to Forza2, but still, someone from Atari or Simbin could take the time to answer some questions on the forum.
Don't have to high hopes on a reply tho ;)

[Diablo_]

Nothing will be said - if anything is to be said - until Monday 5th as that's when essentially things go back to normal after Christmas and New Year.

[PzR_Tak]

I don't know if this has come up before, but I was reading a magazine with an 8 page spread on Race Pro, and I found a little nugget of multiplayer info....


... And will feature a rather novel lobby system as well: Rather than forcing you to sit around staring at a list of your rivals while you wait for the action to commence, you'll actually be able to drive around on the track instead

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Thats either

A: A good system on paper, rather like live practice/qualifying

or

B: An awesome chance for noobs to enter a race thats underway and just basically mess it up for everyone....this 'nugget' better be toggle-able...

[nagge]

Thats either

A: A good system on paper, rather like live practice/qualifying

or

B: An awesome chance for noobs to enter a race thats underway and just basically mess it up for everyone....this 'nugget' better be toggle-able...

Don't see how noobs could mess up worse just because instead of waiting in the lobby you can drive around the track while waiting. It's not like they can join in a race that's already underway.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Oh I misunderstood. I thought they could actually join the race via the pits...sorry been playing LFS too much lately

[nagge]

Oh I misunderstood. I thought they could actually join the race via the pits

Now THAT would have been disastrous eekblue:

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Well thats how Race 07 online worked. And LFS and rFactor

it worked well...because people who came online to ruin races quickly were shown to the door. Oh, and you could only join during qual and practice. When it was race time, doors were shut lol

[PzR_Tak]

Well thats how Race 07 online worked. And LFS and rFactor

it worked well...because people who came online to ruin races quickly were shown to the door. Oh, and you could only join during qual and practice. When it was race time, doors were shut lol

I read it as meaning before a race, not during. I hope the practice and Qualification modes make it into Race Pro.

[Aizen93]

I read it as meaning before a race, not during. I hope the practice and Qualification modes make it into Race Pro.

Practice and Qualification modes would be so awesome for leagues like IFCA.

[vansant]

what mag had an 8 page spread?

[PzR_Tak]

360gamer. a UK magazine.

I have only seen it in WH Smith in the UK and they are on a 3 week edition rate. It's apparently already off the shelves unfortunately.

[VVV_Hellbr1ng3r]

Practice and Qualification modes would be so awesome for leagues like IFCA.


Oh it so would, if we had the manpower and resources to run IFCA style leagues for Race07, LFS and rFactor, we would be unstoppable.