View Full Version : why I think Racepro will fail... sorry boys
I feel sorry for Simbin that have done such great titles and now entering the consoles market was a right decision but I feel sorry for the Racepro failure.
Here are the because's'...
First... Atari and Simbin most have forgeten that when it comes to consoles the sim players are on the other market I mean the Playstation community.
Second... A new but strong alternative for the GTseries has appereared namely Ferrari Challenge which almost every GTfanatic will agree is in almost all aspects a much better sim than the GTseries and a huge number are migrating to it from the GTseries and many others are spread across the two.
Third... And now a new title a continuity has been announced named Supercar Challenge stronger and even better than FC that means a large community is growing around Eutechny's PS3 exclusive. And when Racepro finally makes its way to the PS arena it will be too late. Competing against one is difficult imagine against 2 strong communities with a title that was meant to the 360!
Fourth... Ignoring the Playstation community was a bold decision MS was hoping to bring people to their system and that was what I was going to do. I was going to buy an 360 just for Racepro and I know many who would had being doing the same but now with Supercar Challenge we won't need no more. This means things won't go as planned by Atari, Simbin and MS.
Fifth... Support is crucial and what wheel will people play Racepro with? Graphics are another and this will limit Racepro heavily while again Supercar Challenge supports 1080p, 720p whatever you want and Fanatec's Porsche wheel, G25, GT you name it!
Sixth... The development of Racepro has being a huge secret limited in many aspects to the public and us gamers. Eutechnyx has started beta test program with 600 beta testers for you know what and only after the playstation sim community is happy with the title that the game will be released.
Seventh... last and ironically the number 7... developing this game for the 360 and excluding the biggest console sim gamers (playstation represents over 70% of sim racing) with the huge success from Eutechnyx's title has doomed the future of Racepro! The sales number for the 360 will cover cost but won't make the game a success and won't save its future.
Sorry guys I hope you guys understand what I meant I was deep into Racepro even without owning a 360 its hard but Racepro wouldn't see proper daylight! Hope Atari and Simbin learn from their mistakes but I blame mainly Eutechnyx for it!
Ack, just lost my reply, but your arguement seems more or less solely based on the fact it's coming out on the X360.
There are loads of good reasons for that - the market base is larger, the digital provision is more mature, the dev tools are better. And at the end of the day Simbin are more familiar with it due to their work on the true sim platform - the PC. But who's to say it won't come out on other platforms eventually?
At the end of the day all the stuff coming for PS3 is irrelevant, it's a separate market.
Also, please refer to MS properly - we're not fanboys here. That goes to anyone else replying too - any whiff of fanboyism or insults and I'll lock the thread.
Also, please refer to MS properly - we're not fanboys here.
Didn't Microsoft had to pay for the title so I was just making an analogy. I'm no fanboy and intend only to point out some things that will make this game a failure. And as you said the 360 has a much bigger base but you forgot that racing titles I mean SIM is not strong among the 360 community just see the support SIM gamers have for the 360 plus the fact the 360 has being opened and a huge number won't be paying for this title!
Of course it will come out on the PS3 but when it comes out Atari and Simbin will loose money not make any! For the reasons I already pointed out!
I think there's a problem of reference here - if by 'SIM gamers' you mean people who play on the PS3 then of course there are more of them on the PS3 than the X360. Gamers don't fit into clearly defined genre buckets, instead gamers buy lots of different games, so overall market is the important statistic.
The only relevant sub-division of that would be if you already had a simbin type title on the x360 and therefore used that to judge market size. As it is, there hasn't been a title like this before, so it's impossible to guess the size of the market.
If you're talking about proper simulation fans, then the PC has the largest 'existing' market, but that can and will change as and when other simulation games come out for the consoles.
As it is, there hasn't been a title like this before, so it's impossible to guess the size of the market.
If you're talking about proper simulation fans, then the PC has the largest 'existing' market, but that can and will change as and when other simulation games come out for the consoles.
By the number of sales with exclusives is the simplest way of seeing the market size... How many copies did GT5p (still prologue not even final GT5)sale? And how many copies did PGR4?
Thats why I made it cleared that "in the consoles market" I made very clear that "when it comes to consoles"!
Anyway I hope I was wrong! but its better not to release it at all on the PS3 wait till Simbin can develop for the PS3 technology and make a better title (mean not a port cause ports for the PS3 just don't sell) maybe in 2 years time!
crappucino
08-01-2009, 13:08
And if your reference to GT means "Gran Turismo" you should perhaps find a better yardstick than a game which is fancy graphics and no substance and hasn't really made any tangible steps forward as a "simulation" since it was released over 10 years ago.
All I read in that was basically it's not going to do well because it's on the Xbox 360. Well that's far from true and even myself being a long time Gran Turismo aficionado knew that Forza was better than the long running GT series, in fact the real sim on the Sony console last gen was enthusia and those who have played it know if a sequel to that was to come then GT5 would be in trouble.
As for your talking about FC, I heard a lot about that game from mates who have played and who have it and they weren't impressed. Random damage, unstable online, strange physics situations, track representation off in places plus some more small things, oh yeah the non-existent DLC that was announced back in September or something also. Plenty of promises but nothing shown.
And now Supercar Challenge which I really do hope they get right this time but again it looks like it could well have just been an expansion to FC but anything like this to come on a console is always welcome by the fanset it's mainly aimed at.
Now onto RACE Pro on the Xbox 360, it will do well, there's plenty of people who know what it is, know who Simbin is and know that Forza, GT, FC etc are not the sims they say they are compared to the stable that Simbin are known for on the PC. I'm sorry but you seem to be more disheartened with the fact this is coming out on Xbox 360 exclusively rather than the fact that the game itself is going to be bad or the like. Though I do have to forgive your blatant like for your console as if the tables were turned there would a Microsoft Xbox fanatic just like yourself saying the same thing but more than likely they would be going on about Forza 3.
Competition is good, remember that, this is why GT5 should be the game we have been calling out for since GT2!! I like many bought an Xbox for Forza, and I'm sure many on the Sony side will do the exact same for RACE Pro. Not like the 360 costs a fortune anymore.
I'm sorry but you seem to be more disheartened with the fact this is coming out on Xbox 360 exclusively rather than the fact that the game itself is going to be bad or the like.
I've been looking for an excuse to get a 360 for more than a year know and I felt that Racepro was the right excuse but isn't. All your arguments are trying to destroy the other game's reputation so your point can be made. Sorry mate but in Psychology this has a name but let's just forget it. I want facts and so far you got none!
Again I don't want to make this into a war if you want to discuss this with arguments it's ok if not let's turn the page, anyway only time can tell!
If you're fine with the more arcady style racers then by all means I think you'll be fine with sticking on the PS3. It's only if you want decent sim that you should consider getting an X360 for Race Pro. Talk of markets etc. is irrelevant - at the end of the day it's what you want that is important.
It's only if you want decent sim that you should consider getting an X360 for Race Pro. Talk of markets etc. is irrelevant - at the end of the day it's what you want that is important.
Totally agreed! I don't even care the Critic Score sites give to a game! My point was about the game's market failure not even if it was great or not! FC was horrible with sales another failure but that didn't stop me from migrating to it! Fanboys can't read the lines they just flame!
If you're fine with the more arcady style racers then by all means I think you'll be fine with sticking on the PS3.
Did you play FC? If not how can you call PS3 titles arcade! I think GT5p is an arcade game no way that's a sim!
If you're fine with the more arcady style racers then by all means I think you'll be fine with sticking on the PS3. It's only if you want decent sim that you should consider getting an X360 for Race Pro. Talk of markets etc. is irrelevant - at the end of the day it's what you want that is important.
How very true. If GT5 is the ultimate in sim-racing in your regard, then fine, enjoy it all you can. There really is no need to get in to a "fight" about which game is better, each to his own. I don't really see what you want with this thread Zedux?
Calling Race Pro a failure before it's even released is just trolling...
Did you play FC? If not how can you call PS3 titles arcade! I think GT5p is an arcade game no way that's a sim!Is FC that game where you could just bumper-car your way to winning a race?
Is FC that game where you could just bumper-car your way to winning a race?
So you believe car damage makes a game a sim or arcade!
I'm a programmer boy and the damage physics you play with your video game are limited to calculations. damage physics for a video game cannot and will never recreate real life physics that said gaming damage physics are uhh arcade :)
How many copies did GT5p (still prologue not even final GT5)sale? And how many copies did PGR4?Why compare a sim-esque title like GT5 Prologue to a complete arcade title like PGR4?
If anything you should jump on Forza 2 and see how many people race with no aids for the sim experience. Forza 2 last I saw had sold over 4 million late last year and I'm pretty sure over Christmas this would have increased again. The reason I mention this? Well a good number of racers on FM2 are awaiting RACE Pro with full on excitement because it is a full on racer dedicated to racing. Sounds stupid I know but this is what a lot of people just want, none of the painting, none of the modifying kits and such, just grab a car, pick a track and RACE! :)
Yes the PS3 supports the wheels (I had the DFP for GT4 and enthusia) and yes it has some good race titles but the titles themselves are lacking in what would be termed simulation. And before you jump on me realise most people waiting for RACE Pro know Forza isn't a proper sim, it has fairly competent sim values and representation but there are a number of areas where it fails and it's clear to see where these are when you're playing it.
Microsoft have always been for themselves when it comes to their products so the proprietary garbage that is the Wireless wheel is what hinders the proper immersion you would get with these games. Now though they seem to have loosed their grip and are allowing other manufacturers to enter the market and not just at the low end as apparent by the upcoming Fanatec offerings.
So you believe car damage makes a game a sim or arcade! It's certainly one of the factors, how sim-like is it if you can just pile into other cars at corners to slow down or take them out?
I'm a programmer boy and the damage physics you play with your video game are limited to calculations. Well when you're a programmer man you'll realise that real physics can be simulated with calculations too ;)
damage physics for a video game cannot and will never recreate real life physics It'll never recreate it, but you can model it.
Brako_UK
08-01-2009, 13:44
Its how well online gaming is with XBOX LIVE that will really add to the success of Race pro.I dont know much about the PS3 as i dont own one and untill the 360 arrived i was always a playstation fan but sadly due to the line of games,i went for the better option and bought the 360.But that's not the point i am trying to make,i am just saying i wont slate something unless i know the facts about it.
Anyway,i cant see how Race pro will fail really,the interest from gamers around the world is unbelivable and just because this forum is quiet that does'nt mean almost every other gaming forum out there is'nt,and there not.There is a huge line up of people finally waiting for Race pro and to finally have a sim racer for the first time on console from what i am aware,so to say its going to fail before its actually been released..............Well that theory is shot down on the general interest in the game alone.
Also as i was saying online gaming on the 360 from i have heard is much better than what the PS3 has at the moment,which is why more often than not people quit the sony scene and move over to the xbox because they can actually enjoy online gaming.
Time will tell to see if any of your points were true but at the moment,and i am in no way trying to make fun of you here mate,but as the modster said,the things you typed due to unknown facts seemed more like the rantings of a fanboy.
Again please dont take offense to that,i am just saying how it looks on paper.
It's certainly one of the factors, how sim-like is it if you can just pile into other cars at corners to slow down or take them out?
Well when you're a programmer man you'll realise that real physics can be simulated with calculations too ;)
It'll never recreate it, but you can model it.
1)It's certainly one of the factors, how sim-like is it if you can just pile into other cars at corners to slow down or take them out?
That's very important and I hope all Sims eventually use it!
2)Well when you're a programmer man you'll realise that real physics can be simulated with calculations too ;)
Well I just said something a bit but just a bit similar to this but... This has won me the day! I just showed this comment to the guys here at work (some gaming company which has office in China!) and they implored me to get you to come work with us!
3)It'll never recreate it, but you can model it.
Sames the number 2!
OK guys I made my point now I'm just reading a lot of half points! Wish you guys luck! Racepro is due to be released on the PS3 too so this war argument is nonsense!! bye guys!
So you believe car damage makes a game a sim or arcade!No as Burnout has crazy damage and that is no where near a sim however this is the retort that usually appears when the Gran Turismo series is mentioned. Damage doesn't make a game a sim but it makes a sim more real. I mean how often have you watched a race and a car has been sideswiped or locked their brakes etc only to plow into the car in front and mess up their suspension or encounter a puncture etc. The fear of ending your race before the finish is always in your mind when you are racing in these games.
See the one thing games can't do is portray the fear you experience in real life of totalling your car hence why most new racers will wreck in the first corner. And if there's no damage or penalty to deter people from doing this then even though there will be the few who will play with gentlemanly conduct there will always be the ones who just want to win by any means possible and if this means by playing in this way then they'll simply think why not. It's like the PGR wall bashing debacle, or the bumper cars style play of all Gran Turismo's upto now, even if it's wrong because it can be done without any real penalty then it will continue to be rife. Same can be said cutting corners, over grass and gravel etc. In most racing games this is done which is why I am happy to see that this game will punish for that.
I honestly wish every sim-racing game had a flag system for the above actually.
Also note discussions like this are always encouraged, so even though we may have differing opinions and views at least we can share them and discuss them without having to deal with all the PoS3, Xbot, Microsuck etc drama.
I just saw this comment to the guys here at work (some gaming company which has office in China!) and they implored me to get to come to work with us!
I already have a nice job, thank you, and funnily enough part of it involves modelling real life physics (in a scientific context). Perhaps your gaming company needs to learn a bit more science - there are some great labs in China now.
VVV_Hellbr1ng3r
08-01-2009, 13:57
Whats the point of this thread?
I dont see how your theory of a few sim games on PS3 = Race Pro not selling much
FYI 360 outsold PS3 (to-date) last week when I checked.
So its not as if 360 hasn't got the numbers
Brako_UK
08-01-2009, 14:03
What game company do you work for op?.
This is what happens when there is a lack of new info. We start paying attention to these kind of ramblings.
Where's the new car class video.
Julio_Geordio_9
08-01-2009, 14:16
I'm surprised you didn't mention 'Playstation' in your post.
GT series a sim!! I've driven better handling lego cars than those from the GT series, especially prologue!
Oh well, thanks for your time anyway. Jog on
:)
He did say he didn't class GT as an actual sim through the discussion.
I hate to say it but that was a big PS3 fanboy rant. Zedux, you made the same argument over at Codemasters and it's holding no water. Ferrari Challenge and Supercar Challenge suck, in comparison to SimBin titles. Eutechnyx could do w/e they want, they could have a million beta testers and their games would still blow. So yea, almost all your points are invalid. I would swear you worked for the marketing department of Sony after reading this...this thread should be closed.
rodelero
08-01-2009, 14:27
Quite clearly he doesn't work for a games company. If he does, I'm utterly amazed. It might explain why, so consistently appalling design decisions are made again, and again, and again in games... but to be honest, I'm inclined to think he doesn't work for anyone, let alone a games developer.
He sounds like a typical pubescent fanboy/troll type, trying to win some argument built up on his heightened view of himself.
First... Atari and Simbin most have forgeten that when it comes to consoles the sim players are on the other market I mean the Playstation community.
Firstly, note that not only does the poster have bad English, but he types in a way which sounds child-like (rather than foreign). He sounds like he is trying to come up with adult argumentation speak.
Secondly, he fails to realise that, in fact, even if we class the console-sims (which, let's be honest are often sneered at by the PC gamers), only the 360 has even had their 'sim' released. Forza 2 has a bucket load of sales.
Second... A new but strong alternative for the GTseries has appereared namely Ferrari Challenge which almost every GTfanatic will agree is in almost all aspects a much better sim than the GTseries and a huge number are migrating to it from the GTseries and many others are spread across the two.
Really? I haven't seen the massive following of Ferrari challenge, to be honest. I don't doubt that it's a moderate simulation.. but even if it was, your argument is based around its fanbase which is NOT very large!
Third... And now a new title a continuity has been announced named Supercar Challenge stronger and even better than FC that means a large community is growing around Eutechny's PS3 exclusive. And when Racepro finally makes its way to the PS arena it will be too late. Competing against one is difficult imagine against 2 strong communities with a title that was meant to the 360!
You say this as if Race Pro doesn't have a decent sized fanbase purely based on its creators. You also say this as if the PS3 has a larger marketshare than the XBOX360. Both of these factors are absolute ****.
If you ask me, Race Pro may be a game which simulation lovers pick up a 360 for. The 360 is dirt cheap. The PS3 isn't.
Fourth... Ignoring the Playstation community was a bold decision MS was hoping to bring people to their system and that was what I was going to do. I was going to buy an 360 just for Racepro and I know many who would had being doing the same but now with Supercar Challenge we won't need no more. This means things won't go as planned by Atari, Simbin and MS.
What, because of the announcement of a game which was probably expected anyway, on a DIFFERENT console, is somehow going to crush their market plan? Are you insane?
[quoet]Fifth... Support is crucial and what wheel will people play Racepro with? Graphics are another and this will limit Racepro heavily while again Supercar Challenge supports 1080p, 720p whatever you want and Fanatec's Porsche wheel, G25, GT you name it![/quote]
Even if it does truly support 1080p, natively, which I can't be bothered to research, the graphics are pretty awful, so it's fairly irrelevant. We'll see how Racepro does on wheel support, before assuming.
Sixth... The development of Racepro has being a huge secret limited in many aspects to the public and us gamers. Eutechnyx has started beta test program with 600 beta testers for you know what and only after the playstation sim community is happy with the title that the game will be released.
Yes, the playstation sim community. Wow, let's trust them. You put a lot of faith into this small sequel.
Seventh... last and ironically the number 7... developing this game for the 360 and excluding the biggest console sim gamers (playstation represents over 70% of sim racing) with the huge success from Eutechnyx's title has doomed the future of Racepro! The sales number for the 360 will cover cost but won't make the game a success and won't save its future.
How do you work out this 70% number? Also, I'd love to see Ferrari Challenge's sales figures.
This guy is a troll, a fanboy, and a liar.
I have quickly looked for some sales numbers, and Ferrari challenge fell flat on its face.
Brako_UK
08-01-2009, 14:32
When he said he worked for a games company i was a bit miffed by this as most of them would never go into a different game developers forum and try to slate them.They tend to all stick together as they all understand how difficult it is to make a game.
Unless he is set in 80's mode and lives by the pepsi vs coke way of thinking(where am i going with this???).I better stick to my original thought and just assume he is a fanboy.
When we reviewed Ferrari Challenge, it got a meager 6.5/10 (http://www.autogaming.net/ps3/733/ferrari-challenge-trofeo-pirelli-ps3-review/). The game wasn't impressive at all. All this hype from Mark Cale just made it worse...so seeing hope for supercar challenge...well I really don't know.
Julio_Geordio_9
08-01-2009, 14:38
He did say he didn't class GT as an actual sim through the discussion.
Does he? Where?
All I see is that he states ferrari challenge is a better sim than the GT series
Games companies or their PR companies now - but not officially of course - hire people to hype, big up and promote as well as degrade and put down their competitors.
Someone got caught doing this for EA a year or 2 ago iirc.
rodelero
08-01-2009, 14:40
Games companies or their PR companies now - but not officially of course - hire people to hype, big up and promote as well as degrade and put down their competitors.
Someone got caught doing this for EA a year or 2 ago iirc.
No-one would hire this guy. I was, for a long time on a forum with someone who I suspect to be a drone from Microsoft - note that Microsoft are known for similar exploits - and he was a little less obvious than this guy. He also seemed to have a brain.
crappucino
08-01-2009, 14:41
Someone got caught doing this for EA a year or 2 ago iirc.
What can I say? I needed the £20 at the time!
Brako_UK
08-01-2009, 14:42
Are you sure that was'nt just an every day gamer who got sick of EA games and there weekly turdish releases?.
IVORBIGUN
08-01-2009, 14:43
Let me put the record straight because I own a PS3 & 360 and own virtually all racing games. Furthermore before the GT5 Prologue boards were wiped I had over 150 No1 laptimes so I certainly know how to play racing games!
RacePro won't fail for the simple reason there are 18 million registered Xbox live members but with a massive shortage of decent racing games. I don't really class Forza 2 as a sim racing game because compared to GT5P its more like an arcade racing game. Some will disagree with this but you play GT5P with assists off and proffesional settings and you will see what I mean.
At the moment GT5P is best console racing game there is. However it may have brilliant graphics, physics, but the online content is very poor. As for Ferrari challenge this game is ****!
Now im looking forward to RacePro because finally we shall have a decent racing game. Im sure some people will dislike the game but it depends on how you play. For instance im the sort of person who will sit for 2hrs just trying to shave .400 off my laptime. However doing this would bore some people so again its down to preference.
Lets just wait and see what the game is like before writing it off. From what I have seen I cannot wait and im simply counting the days until release.
rustymike12
08-01-2009, 14:45
Zedux is a beta tester for the SCC game and very full of himself. Since he doesn't have a 360 and hasn't played FM2, he has no credence. He's just baiting and hoping that SCC will finally be the sim they (PS3)don't have. I have a PS3 and 360 and have played ALL the "race" games, so I stand on solid ground in offering an opinion.
Brako_UK
08-01-2009, 14:46
150 number 1 laptimes????.I thought the game was only a demo,how many tracks did it have?.Excellent work on a great record though old chap.
Julio_Geordio_9
08-01-2009, 14:49
Yeah...150!!??!!
Those scoreboard wipes eh
Will be looking forward to seeing what times you get in Race Pro
rustymike12
08-01-2009, 14:49
[QUOTE=IVORBIGUN;2012614]I don't really class Forza 2 as a sim racing game because compared to GT5P its more like an arcade racing game. Some will disagree with this but you play GT5P with assists off and proffesional settings and you will see what I mean.[QUOTE]
How much time did you spend on FM2 with NO assists?
What is your GT on 360?
IVORBIGUN
08-01-2009, 14:51
150 number 1 laptimes????.I thought the game was only a demo,how many tracks did it have?.Excellent work on a great record though old chap.
Each car has its own leaderboard hence the number of leaderboards. Also there are seperate leaderboards for Standard, Professional settings.
Going for laptimes is what I love doing. I did have No1 on Career, Exhibtion on Forza 2 until they wiped the boards due to a glitch and couldn't find the motivation to do it again. However I did alot better on GT5P than Forza 2 because im useless at tuning whereas on GT5P everyone has the same settings.
Once I finish the career side of RacePro I shall be hitting the timetrials.:)
Just add that the problem with GT5P is every time there is an update the boards are wiped!
Julio_Geordio_9
08-01-2009, 14:53
Really......on forza? Interesting
You must let me know your Gamertag, I may recognise you
Brako_UK
08-01-2009, 14:53
I belive there are a lot of reasons for which Forza 2 is not a sim but the one thing you cant ever take away from it was that it was a fantastic game.Ok so people have a go at it for its arcade style but even the most die hard pc sim fans enjoyed that game.
But lets get back on track.....................Hmmm,seem to have forgot what the thread was about.........Ahh yes,the fanboy.
IVORBIGUN
08-01-2009, 14:59
Really......on forza? Interesting
You must let me know your Gamertag, I may recognise you
Just checked im 13th on the overall Exhibition boards!
Im surprised at that because what with the DLC there must of been better cars to use in the classes.
GT II IVORBIGUN II
I lost my motivation with Forza 2. Not sure if you remember but after release there was a AWD glitch which ruined the leadeboards. I couldn't be bothered to do it all again because the career, Exhibition was very time consuming although as you can see I did do the exhibiton again but my attempt was half hearted.
rustymike12
08-01-2009, 15:12
Just checked im 13th on the overall Exhibition boards!
Im surprised at that because what with the DLC there must of been better cars to use in the classes.
GT II IVORBIGUN II
I lost my motivation with Forza 2. Not sure if you remember but after release there was a AWD glitch which ruined the leadeboards. I couldn't be bothered to do it all again because the career, Exhibition was very time consuming although as you can see I did do the exhibiton again but my attempt was half hearted.
I don't blame you for posting your best stat, and after seeing your stats in Hot Lap, Career and Time Trials I see why rolleyesa
Julio_Geordio_9
08-01-2009, 15:12
Just checked im 13th on the overall Exhibition boards!
Im surprised at that because what with the DLC there must of been better cars to use in the classes.
GT II IVORBIGUN II
I lost my motivation with Forza 2. Not sure if you remember but after release there was a AWD glitch which ruined the leadeboards. I couldn't be bothered to do it all again because the career, Exhibition was very time consuming although as you can see I did do the exhibiton again but my attempt was half hearted.
Ah...exhibition eh The forgotten series lol
Probably why I don't recognise the name.
Did you not go for assists off on Forza then like you did on GT5P?
As for the OP, well, I'm gutted for him having to make do with GT5 and FC. Maybe they'll port the game for him. Maybe not.
SimRacer
08-01-2009, 15:17
:nuts: the first post is so funny I'd keep myself from commenting on it...
beradd88
08-01-2009, 15:19
If Race Pro sells enough copies on the 360 I am sure that more sim style games will be made for the 360. People that have never experienced a sim style game will try it and some of them will like it.
I am sure there are plenty of race fans out there that own a 360 that would like to know what it really feels like to drive a race car. Soon they will have their chance.
:nuts: the first post is so funny I'd keep myself from commenting on it...
Nice name, who do you play as on Mario Kart then?
SimRacer
08-01-2009, 15:23
On MK I play as "Krusty Crab" mdr1
Nice name, who do you play as on Mario Kart then?
VVV_Hellbr1ng3r
08-01-2009, 15:55
IVOR, Im sure when the GT5P you didnt get much competition ;)
Did the TTR guys give you a run for your money?
jumper5836
08-01-2009, 16:45
OK guys I made my point now I'm just reading a lot of half points! Wish you guys luck! Racepro is due to be released on the PS3 too so this war argument is nonsense!! bye guys!
Sounds like just a PS3 fan who wanted Race Pro for his console. Don't blame yah. I can't wait for it to come out for the 360 as well but Forza 2 is doing the job for now as did PGR3 did before Forza2 was released.
I played Ferrari challenge when it first came out in Europe about 9 months ago. What a load of tripe. It wasn't a good physics simulation at all, and the bouncing off cars, no damage pretty much killed it for me. Only thing worthwile doing was setting times in timetrials. On one track (Spa) I set a time that was 4 seconds faster than anyone elses at the time (no assists) and that didn't even log on to their leaderboards.
Sony's online system is rubbish, the lack of voice com in general kills it for me. On the xbox, everyone has a mike (pretty much) and when driving with people for the first time, it really helps coordination, without wrecking each other. Obviously where the comms are restricted, you don't have that, but it really does help to have driven with people first. The online on FC was really unstable, people dropping all the time, and once they were falling back they'd always quit. Once the host left the lobby died.
GT5:P when using the full sim settings is actually quite enjoyable, and it is apparently fantastic with a wheel (G25) but I like to race people online, and the lobby system doesn't allow it.
AZT_Mad_Monk
08-01-2009, 17:03
i don't play hardcore simulation games on the xbox 360 because there aren't any... and there's hundreds like me who are the same, Forza is the closest, but it still doesn't compare to GTR Evo.
clearly a PS3 Fanboy...
i don't play hardcore simulation games on the xbox 360 because there aren't any... and there's hundreds like me who are the same, Forza is the closest, but it still doesn't compare to GTR Evo.
clearly a PS3 Fanboy...
There aren't any hardcore simulation games on PS3 either.
There aren't any hardcore simulation games on PS3 either.Yep the Wii holds that title! :nuts:
Yep the Wii holds that title! :nuts:
Is that the one simulating racing cars and bikes in a certain fungal area? With a plumber, a princess (but no king or queen) and a funny noise making dinosaur? Or am I mistaken?
I'm not the fastest around but, I own the PS3 and found the Gran turismo Prologue... not as great as people claim, nor that different from FM2 in terms of mechanics.
... there was a moment... I you pardon my blasphemy, It thougth I was playing PGR 3. I don't want to insult anybody, that was my honest feeling.
The Online side of the Game was like 3 years behind Forza 2. Sorry again.
I love the PS3 as a piece of equipment, clearly superior to XBOX in terms of quality and reliability but the online gaming in that platform can't compete with the "Microsoft Machine" as it stands right now.
My humble, slow, opinion.
I don't think it will fail, I'm looking quite forward too it. I just wish that there was a better wheel that I could purchase from the store.
Yes Perfect Strategy I know about the Porsche Wheel.
I don't think it will fail, I'm looking quite forward too it. I just wish that there was a better wheel that I could purchase from the store.
Yes Perfect Strategy I know about the Porsche Wheel.
I'm not sure perfect strategy will be replying. I think he got himself slightly..... Banned. Never quite known the phenomenon of a wheel fanboy. he has to be the first.
Brako_UK
09-01-2009, 02:30
Well atleast the op never came back.
Copperhead_BOB
09-01-2009, 03:03
The thread title was incorrect. The actual title should be:
why I think I will fail to discourage people from buying Race Pro... Zedux
Brako_UK
09-01-2009, 03:32
LOL genius!.
You should try to hot wire the thread and see if you can change the thread title to the one you came up with.If the chap comes back he will probably be left scratching his head wondering why he created a thread title to insult himself.
Utter fiendishness at its best sir.
Copperhead_BOB
09-01-2009, 03:55
You should try to hot wire the thread and see if you can change the thread title to the one you came up with.If the chap comes back he will probably be left scratching his head wondering why he created a thread title to insult himself.
I think only the forum admins are able to amend the topic header.
But it will be politically incorrect to do so, my Commander-In-Chief :laugh:
LOL genius!.
You should try to hot wire the thread and see if you can change the thread title to the one you came up with.If the chap comes back he will probably be left scratching his head wondering why he created a thread title to insult himself.
Utter fiendishness at its best sir.
You and 95% of the people that answered to this thread are what the media calls "average people". People that will never win in life fanatic about a video game title. But I guess that's the only way you get to drive these cars isn't it looser! Stupid enough not to read what was written but just open your mouth! I would feel sorry for the world if people like you were to have a saying in it!
Brako_UK
09-01-2009, 04:01
Now now chief,it's only a bit of fun.Dont go all silly because you were found out to be nothing more than a fanboy rather than the person you claimed to be.
I hold nothing against you sir even if i thought what you posted was silly but if i caused you any offense then i appologise deeply.
SPEEDEM0N
09-01-2009, 04:01
Just felt like mentionning that Race pro will actually succeed in satisfying Sim racers because:
1- The physics simulation will be better than all other racing games on console to date (Simbin's pedigree is more than enough to back that statement).
2- The online functionnality & simplicity of XBOX Live will allow a fantastic virtual racing environment for Sim racers.
IMO the rest (Graphics, Number of cars, Customisation, etc...) is irrelevant for the crowd Simbin is aiming for.
My 2 cent.
Now now chief,it's only a bit of fun.Dont go all silly because you were found out to be nothing more than a fanboy rather than the person you claimed to be.
I hold nothing against you sir even if i thought what you posted was silly but if i caused you any offense then i appologise deeply.
You don't need to apologize you just wrote what you had to write. unfortunately when I said that I really meant it don't think I've been insulted for having an opinion that's something you should try to get too. All the average people that replied just said what I had said before or were just fanatic about the title and didn't read a word of what I said! READ IT AGAIN READ MY REPLIES AND UNDERSTAND! try not to be an average person with average knowledge and average life. You can actually buy the real thing if you break free!
You don't need to apologize you just wrote what you had to write. unfortunately when I said that I really meant it don't think I've been insulted for having an opinion that's something you should try to get too. All the average people that replied just said what I had said before or were just fanatic about the title and didn't read a word of what I said! READ IT AGAIN READ MY REPLIES AND UNDERSTAND! try not to be an average person with average knowledge and average life. You can actually buy the real thing if you break free!
The only person sounding like a fanboy in this thread is you
Don't feed the troll, he is just your average fanboy. lolblue:
IVORBIGUN
09-01-2009, 10:43
Just felt like mentionning that Race pro will actually succeed in satisfying Sim racers because:
1- The physics simulation will be better than all other racing games on console to date (Simbin's pedigree is more than enough to back that statement).
2- The online functionnality & simplicity of XBOX Live will allow a fantastic virtual racing environment for Sim racers.
IMO the rest (Graphics, Number of cars, Customisation, etc...) is irrelevant for the crowd Simbin is aiming for.
My 2 cent.
Certainly agree with you.
For me the most important aspect of any racing game is the physics engine that the game runs on. All other features take 2nd place.
This is why the games so far on the 360 have been bitterly disappointing. I once downloaded the Grid demo and after just taking the 1st bend the demo was deleted. Such a shame Codemasters have the F1 licence!
However I am hoping the online features are adequate especially with regards to time trials and the ability to set up a room so you can race against your friends. I tend to stick with racing against my friends because there are far too many people thinking they are playing Burnout Revenge!
Back to the OP and I think the replies have firmly shut him/her up.:bravo:
AZT_Mad_Monk
09-01-2009, 10:49
You don't need to apologize you just wrote what you had to write. unfortunately when I said that I really meant it don't think I've been insulted for having an opinion that's something you should try to get too. All the average people that replied just said what I had said before or were just fanatic about the title and didn't read a word of what I said! READ IT AGAIN READ MY REPLIES AND UNDERSTAND! try not to be an average person with average knowledge and average life. You can actually buy the real thing if you break free!
i can't see why you are such a king and we are all average, your just as average as us and everyone's opinion counts... and i think the score is about 30:1 to us at the moment...
VVV_Hellbr1ng3r
09-01-2009, 10:49
You and 95% of the people that answered to this thread are what the media calls "average people". People that will never win in life fanatic about a video game title. But I guess that's the only way you get to drive these cars isn't it looser! Stupid enough not to read what was written but just open your mouth! I would feel sorry for the world if people like you were to have a saying in it!
Average Person??
Yeah..I'll take that....
Beats the hell out of whatever this 'media' calls above average....
Its just a shame I never set my sights on winning the X factor, or competing in the illustrious Big Brother, or perhaps selling my soul to topless modelling.
(pssst. Loser is spelt with one 'o' ;))
AZT_Mad_Monk
09-01-2009, 10:51
Average Person??
Yeah..I'll take that....
Beats the hell out of whatever this 'media' calls above average....
Its just a shame I never set my sights on winning the X factor, or competing in the illustrious Big Brother, or perhaps selling my soul to topless modelling.
(pssst. Loser is spelt with one 'o' ;))
awesome response ;D 10sur10
I warned people not to make this personal or insult other posters, and moderators don't like being ignored.
Zedux, consider yourself warned, and everyone else take heed too - these forums are for talking about the game and related things, if you want to behave like children then take it elsewhere. Thank you to those who are rising above it :)
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