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James_D_Sidious
15-01-2009, 12:19
I've been a long time GTR Player and never really played racers on console because of them beeing arcade heavy.
When I saw that SimBin is developing RacePro for the XBox360 i knew that this is a must have, even for a console.
Now my question is. How good is the official Microsoft wheel. Hows the response, the general feel, how good are the pedals?
I'm happy with every information you could provode me.
thx in advance
James
NickJames
15-01-2009, 12:24
Its very good.
There is already a thread for this, please use that.
AZT_Mad_Monk
15-01-2009, 12:26
please check there are no topics about the subject already before posting a new thread. head over to this (http://forums.eu.atari.com/showthread.php?t=87601) thread and you may find what you are looking for
James_D_Sidious
15-01-2009, 12:36
Thx for the links. din't find that particular thread.
If a mod could please remove this (my) thread.
jammydodgerman
15-01-2009, 15:21
It's also worth looking into getting a Logitech DriveFx Steering wheel. After some research of the microsoft wheel and logitech one, the logitech wheel is cheaper, has axial feedback (which is really good!) and is more reliable as it plugs right into the console instead of having a more unreliable wireless connection which needs to be charged up. Seriously consider looking into the drivefx wheel. i got mine yesterday and its great! :)
PerfectStrategy
15-01-2009, 15:38
It's also worth looking into getting a Logitech DriveFx Steering wheel. After some research of the microsoft wheel and logitech one, the logitech wheel is cheaper, has axial feedback (which is really good!) and is more reliable as it plugs right into the console instead of having a more unreliable wireless connection which needs to be charged up. Seriously consider looking into the drivefx wheel. i got mine yesterday and its great! :)
Based on personal experience I can assure that the wireless connection is completely reliable. You also don't need to charge it up if you have it plugged in.
Also, you will need good luck just to find a drivefx wheel, as it has been discontinued. rolleyesa
jammydodgerman
15-01-2009, 16:08
Well I found one very easily on amazon for just £40! And why have a wireless wheel that actually needs to be plugged in every so often?? I dont see the point tbh. And I have heard that some people's microsoft wheel just disconnects every few minutes from the console. That is something you do not need when racing :) The drive fx wheel that i have right in fornt of me now is very high quality and i know it wont disconnect or break because logitech is a very reliable brand.
PerfectStrategy
15-01-2009, 16:43
Well I found one very easily on amazon for just £40! And why have a wireless wheel that actually needs to be plugged in every so often?? I dont see the point tbh. And I have heard that some people's microsoft wheel just disconnects every few minutes from the console. That is something you do not need when racing :) The drive fx wheel that i have right in fornt of me now is very high quality and i know it wont disconnect or break because logitech is a very reliable brand.
Well it is definitely not available here on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Logitech-DriveFX-Axial-Feedback/dp/B000GP4FZK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1232033556&sr=8-3
I don't know what you've heard but I can assure you that the MS wheel NEVER disconnects from the console unless you take it past the 30ft range. Or maybe if you run a microwave near it (I haven't tried that).
When did I say the wheel NEEDS to be plugged in? You said you would rather not have a connection which needs to be charged up. So you can choose to just leave the wheel plugged in and never have to worry about running out of battery. I don't see how giving the person an option can possibly be a bad thing. If someone wants to run it wirelessly then they have that option, they can even keep a spare battery charged so you never need to plug it in, just swap out for a fresh battery when it gets low.
As far as Logitech being a reliable brand, that they may be, but I have had many Logitech mice break down on me; MX510, MX518, and two G5's. Microsoft hardware varies because they contract with certain manufacturing companies. Some of their PC hardware is top-notch reliability. My Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer outlasted 3 Logitech mice with the same amount of usage. I have not had any problems with the MS 360 wheel and I haven't heard negatives about its reliability. So I would say that is a non-issue.
The wheel will be a as good the developer can make the support for it. Sure you won't have 900 degrees like the good wheels but from the previews and watching videos where the wheel is being used it looks like Simbin have really done their homework with the basic MS wheel.
Why MS did their own proprietary Force Feedback (FFB) rather than stuck to the tried, tested, respected and loved FFB that everyone else uses is beyond me, what would possibly make them do that I wonder? tonguegre
Why MS did their own proprietary Force Feedback (FFB) rather than stuck to the tried, tested, respected and loved FFB that everyone else uses is beyond me, what would possibly make them do that I wonder? tonguegre
Hmmm. I wonder. Something to do with making the world go round perhaps? dark:
Julio_Geordio_9
15-01-2009, 18:02
If I can find a MS wheel at a bargain price then I might just get one.
leahcim35
15-01-2009, 18:33
The wheel will be a as good the developer can make the support for it. Sure you won't have 900 degrees like the good wheels but from the previews and watching videos where the wheel is being used it looks like Simbin have really done their homework with the basic MS wheel.
Yeah, from what I've heard so far it should be good...900 degrees would probably be silly for racing cars anyway.
Why MS did their own proprietary Force Feedback (FFB) rather than stuck to the tried, tested, respected and loved FFB that everyone else uses is beyond me, what would possibly make them do that I wonder? tonguegre
Possibly not for the reasons you'd think because aiui [from reading that logitech thread that was posted the other day] they appear to encrypt stuff to the controllers to force people to build under license anyway.
beradd88
15-01-2009, 20:18
If I can find a MS wheel at a bargain price then I might just get one.
I recently bought a MS wheel on amazon.com and it was used but barely and looks as good as new and it was about $65 after shipping.
It's also worth looking into getting a Logitech DriveFx Steering wheel. After some research of the microsoft wheel and logitech one, the logitech wheel is cheaper, has axial feedback (which is really good!) and is more reliable as it plugs right into the console instead of having a more unreliable wireless connection which needs to be charged up. Seriously consider looking into the drivefx wheel. i got mine yesterday and its great! :)What research did you do? The wheel does not need to be charged at all. The power cord is for what they call "true" force feedback and if you use batteries you only get a simulated rumble effect. Plus, I read a review before buying mine and it suggested battery powered force feedback would require new batteries every half an hour or so. I've never used the Logitech one, nor do I know what axial feedback is, but I'm happy with my MS wheel at the moment.
Also I have had my wheel for about a year and a half, maybe two, and have not had a single connection dropout. Maybe the people who you claim have had dropouts just accidentally pulled the power cord or they had dodgy units to begin with.
edit:Yeah, from what I've heard so far it should be good...900 degrees would probably be silly for racing cars anyway.I have to tell myself this all the time as well. I justify 270 degrees of rotation by telling myself I'm not trying to reverse parallel park this Koenigsegg in between a Golf and a Commodore so it doesn't really matter. At least, that's what I tell myself.'
IIChrisPyII
16-01-2009, 10:02
edit:I have to tell myself this all the time as well. I justify 270 degrees of rotation by telling myself I'm not trying to reverse parallel park this Koenigsegg in between a Golf and a Commodore so it doesn't really matter. At least, that's what I tell myself.'
I have done a few track days in a high performance car and never had to use over 360 degrees of rotation (arms fully crossed). The cars in the game will have a similar race spec quick rack steering fitted so you definitely wont need 900 degrees rotation when driving.
PerfectStrategy
16-01-2009, 14:42
I have done a few track days in a high performance car and never had to use over 360 degrees of rotation (arms fully crossed). The cars in the game will have a similar race spec quick rack steering fitted so you definitely wont need 900 degrees rotation when driving.
But then the production cars certainly shouldn't have racing spec steering. :bravo:
IIChrisPyII
16-01-2009, 15:49
But then the production cars certainly shouldn't have racing spec steering. :bravo:
Very true but they are still built for performance so will still have a quick rack. i guess it's not like forza where there are bog standard road cars never meant for circuit driving rather for easy city driving
AZT_Mad_Monk
16-01-2009, 16:11
at macau you might need the 900 degrees ;D
Brako_UK
16-01-2009, 16:26
One thing i want to know about the Ms wheel,can you configure the pedal's so you can switch them around and then have them turned upside down?
AZT_Mad_Monk
16-01-2009, 16:36
eh? you mean like brake on the accelerator and hang them from the cieling ;D
i think you probably could depending on the game's controller settings...
Brako_UK
16-01-2009, 17:00
Hehe,reason i asked is that no matter who make's the pedal set's,they always make them so that you have to press forward rather than press down.This way i could have them set as a real life pedal set would work,although it's no big deal really champ,it will just be a case of having them set on a better angle.
PerfectStrategy
16-01-2009, 17:02
Very true but they are still built for performance so will still have a quick rack. i guess it's not like forza where there are bog standard road cars never meant for circuit driving rather for easy city driving
I would consider the MINI Cooper to be a standard road car. :bravo:
IIChrisPyII
16-01-2009, 17:10
I would consider the MINI Cooper to be a standard road car. :bravo:
alright you win, you DO need 900 degrees of steering...for the mini....maybe....but probably not :bravo:
AZT_Mad_Monk
16-01-2009, 17:20
lets wait and see guys ;D i reckon the Mini will be in the demo anyway ;D
If sales are good of Race Pro I would like to see Atari and Simbin team up with Fanatec to make a RACE Pro wheel. (Basically a Race Pro liveried wheel in other words)
In fact I wonder if there will be any sort of merchandise you can get your hands on. lol
PerfectStrategy
16-01-2009, 18:03
If sales are good of Race Pro I would like to see Atari and Simbin team up with Fanatec to make a RACE Pro wheel. (Basically a Race Pro liveried wheel in other words)
In fact I wonder if there will be any sort of merchandise you can get your hands on. lol
I think I speak for everyone here when I say we would rather see a licensed Race Pro wheel made by Madcatz instead of Fanatec. :bravo:
I think I speak for everyone here
Shock Horror. No, you don't. Fanatec Race Pro wheel, here we come.
AZT_Mad_Monk
16-01-2009, 18:12
If sales are good of Race Pro I would like to see Atari and Simbin team up with Fanatec to make a RACE Pro wheel. (Basically a Race Pro liveried wheel in other words)
In fact I wonder if there will be any sort of merchandise you can get your hands on. lol
the people sponsering our championship do RACE - the WTCC game merchandise already and there's a possibility of them doing Race PRO stuff too.
here's the link: www.race-shop.org
There's also a Race PRO playseat:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/Richy59/raceprog25_0000.jpg
must say the Race PRO seat looks incredible! and no don't ask for a pricetag ;D i didn't bother :D
I would consider the MINI Cooper to be a standard road car. :bravo:
In the PC game GTR Evolution the Mini Coopers are part of the Mini Cooper Challenge, based on the german Mini Challenge championship. Mini Cooper Works S is a brutal little beast :D
must say the Race PRO seat looks incredible! and no don't ask for a pricetag ;D i didn't bother :D
They not only look fantastic, they fit perfectly. We used those RACE Pro seats last year during the V-WTCC (http://www.v-wtcc.com) by SimBin/Eurosport and they are absolutely top quality!!
PerfectStrategy
16-01-2009, 18:18
the people sponsering our championship do RACE - the WTCC game merchandise already and there's a possibility of them doing Race PRO stuff too.
here's the link: www.race-shop.org
There's also a Race PRO playseat:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/Richy59/raceprog25_0000.jpg
must say the Race PRO seat looks incredible! and no don't ask for a pricetag ;D i didn't bother :D
*waits for Kalniel to edit out advertisement and ban Monk* :bravo:
AZT_Mad_Monk
16-01-2009, 18:18
just found out that the Race PRO seat complete with Logitech G25 is £575.85 without the wheel it is £361.21
there's no advertisment... i'm supplying a link... that's no worse than showing this link for the playseat...
http://playseats.biz/shop/cat052.php?n=1
PerfectStrategy
16-01-2009, 18:21
there's no advertisment... i'm supplying a link... that's no worse than showing this link for the playseat...
http://playseats.biz/shop/cat052.php?n=1
Well I got banned for 7 days just for putting a bunch of stars in my post, they are pretty iron-fist on these forums to be honest.
AZT_Mad_Monk
16-01-2009, 18:23
yeah i know they are strict here. But it's not like i am saying, Diablo go to this link and buy all of this great stuff and blahblahblah... i even quoted diablo's post to make sure it doesn't look too much like an advertisement.
if i did get banned then i would be very dissapointed...
If anyone has a problem with this forum's moderation then please take it up with us via PM. Discussion of moderator actions is not for open boards.
PS, that one-off link was fine :)
Brako_UK
16-01-2009, 18:30
Is that the same sort of text on the chair as SIMBIN use for the text title of there game?,also it seem's strange that it displays the G25 when people that wheel does not work on the 360.
Most likely it is just the name for that particular seat setup and nothing to do with the game Race PRO,although if it was,it would be a very nice setup indeed.
Can I buy Takuma Sato as well as the seat?
AZT_Mad_Monk
16-01-2009, 18:33
If anyone has a problem with this forum's moderation then please take it up with us via PM. Discussion of moderator actions is not for open boards.
PS, that one-off link was fine :)
oops, sorry kal :(
Can I buy Takuma Sato as well as the seat?
Yeah! and the rest of honda too ;D
you dont have too buy it lol, just prove you can keep it running for 2 years, 100mil a year i think :|
you dont have too buy it lol, just prove you can keep it running for 2 years, 100mil a year i think :|
I may not have 200 Million, but I can show willing. Will that do?
If I had the money, and the space, one of those baby's would be mine!
AZT_Mad_Monk
16-01-2009, 18:47
what a formula 1 car or a seat? ;D probably cost you the same :D
what a formula 1 car or a seat? ;D probably cost you the same :D
If it will cost me the same, I'll have both!
the people sponsering our championship do RACE - the WTCC game merchandise already and there's a possibility of them doing Race PRO stuff too.
here's the link: www.race-shop.org
There's also a Race PRO playseat:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/Richy59/raceprog25_0000.jpg
must say the Race PRO seat looks incredible! and no don't ask for a pricetag ;D i didn't bother :DThat doesn't look too difficult to knock off and make a ghetto version on my own. I need to go find some assembly instructions so I can see exactly what bits and bobs I'd need. :)
Brako_UK
17-01-2009, 13:41
There all easy to make without instruction's,the only people who buy these are those who have more money than sense or people who dont have the time or knowledge to build there own.
I have to concede a point to the guy complaining about the MS wheel earlier... I was racing today in a D Class 9 lapper and was biding my time around first place in my highly underpowered car when all of a sudden the wheel decided to bring up the telemetry and drop me from fifth to third gear. I realised what the hell had happened pretty quickly but that still didn't stop me from losing a hundred or so metres, meaning I lost the race as well as the 7,000 difference in credits, and also doing 31% damage to my engine costing me a further 1,300 credits. Thanks for jinxing me, guy. Boy am I glad it happened on the last lap of the 9 lapper and not the last of the 25 lap/1 hour endurance I did right after.
Brako_UK
17-01-2009, 16:39
I will start work on the wheel stand next week and hopefully the demo will be here soon after,cant wait to see how well it work's with Race PRO.
N4S_Johnny_DK
18-01-2009, 05:45
I've been a long time GTR Player and never really played racers on console because of them beeing arcade heavy.
When I saw that SimBin is developing RacePro for the XBox360 i knew that this is a must have, even for a console.
Now my question is. How good is the official Microsoft wheel. Hows the response, the general feel, how good are the pedals?
I'm happy with every information you could provode me.
thx in advance
James
The toys for children, if you are a serious racer, the only solution 911 S wheel
The toys for children, if you are a serious racer, the only solution 911 S wheel
Sure, I'll hold of playing Race Pro until June, sounds like fun... weirdblue
I'm sure the Fanatec is a great wheel, but it's not really an option for most people at the moment as the delivery times are a joke.
PerfectStrategy
18-01-2009, 07:17
Sure, I'll hold of playing Race Pro until June, sounds like fun... weirdblue
I'm sure the Fanatec is a great wheel, but it's not really an option for most people at the moment as the delivery times are a joke.
If they are a joke I would say that is not a particularly funny joke...
If they are a joke I would say that is not a particularly funny joke...
Nope, not funny at all, must be german humour ;)
Found a better playseat. Me Want!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d1iEtjs6S80
edit: or there's this one
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9ORjqqNQFBQ&NR=1
Don't know if you saw the news today, but the BBC's coverage of CES included a full axis simulator/car frame thing, similar to the above :)
IIChrisPyII
18-01-2009, 23:52
Found a better playseat. Me Want!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d1iEtjs6S80
edit: or there's this one
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9ORjqqNQFBQ&NR=1
I had a go in a rig very similar to the one in the second vid. It was at the autosport show couple of weeks ago. It was awesome! now I just need a **** load of cash and a much bigger flat.
This is the best version of Force Dynamics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld6xT5yfbhw
This is the second best version of Force Dynamics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBVOnT36Qw4&feature=related
leahcim35
19-01-2009, 04:37
Found a better playseat. Me Want!
Not sure if it's as good as the fantatec or G25 :nuts:
Yeah, about $30k-$52k I think, depending on which model and what bits and pieces you have with it.
So, plan
- invest in the race room stuff from simbin
- order yourself a force dynamics or two
- find yourself a building at a suitable location for punters [city or perhaps near an existing race circuit or go-kart place]
While punters come and race at your facility and pay for all the stuff, you + friends can play on it anytime you like out of hours...
Yes Duncan? "laddie it sounds like you just want to use my money to buy yourself that toy? I'm out..." :)
Brako_UK
19-01-2009, 15:08
I have just had a couple of goes on the Ms wheel i bought a couple of week's back.It feel's so strange having to use a wheel and pedal set without a clutch and gear stick,it's definetly going to take some time getting use to it.
wormdude
19-01-2009, 18:12
I have just had a couple of goes on the Ms wheel i bought a couple of week's back.It feel's so strange having to use a wheel and pedal set without a clutch and gear stick,it's definetly going to take some time getting use to it.
Yeah i know what you mean. It has an adverse affect on my 'real life' driving skills too! After using the MS wheel on forza i keep looking for my flappy paddle on my steering wheel and forgetting my clutch in my actual car...it never ends well ;)
But to be honest the MS wheel is far better than i exepected. Its not too shaby considering its been made for people who want to play need for speed etc.
I recently got the MS wheel (Last Thurs) and have been using Forza to get used to driving with it, (Also plugged it into the PC for Race 07. Anyone know how to reduce the deadzone, so I can actually drive with it?) After about 3-4 days, My times were becoming comparable to those on controller.
trouty65
19-01-2009, 20:58
I still can't make my mind up wether to fork out for the ms wheel or wait and buy one of the possible others that may become available ?
The main problem is wether the wheel will make me more competitive with the limited amount of time i have available to play ?!!
what do you reckon fellas ?
The wheel won't magically make you competitive, however with a game as accurate as Race Pro it can actually be more instinctive to use a wheel than the game pad (if you're a driver in real life).
I expect getting a better quality wheel may add to your pleasure in racing by increasing immersion etc., but I highly doubt it would have any effect on your lap times.
chilledheat
19-01-2009, 21:38
i bought a wheel last week. Can't get used to it, and because i have no incentive to play Forza, its just gona collect dust
it was like, steer, over steer, hacksaw, spin. Urgh
i bought a wheel last week. Can't get used to it, and because i have no incentive to play Forza, its just gona collect dust
it was like, steer, over steer, hacksaw, spin. Urgh
My advice would be start slow, then work your way up. My D-class times are becoming comparable, any class above that, I'm useless.
chilledheat
19-01-2009, 21:47
I went straight to R4, no assists (like i do with the controller)
utter garbage. With no proper playing setup, its hard to want to use it. I found the force feedback (at least i presume it to be that) was detromental to the experience - it didn't simulate oversteer rather just wanted to jerk the thing left or right after you inputed past a certain angle
i don't know what i was expecting, but something better than what i have i think..
jammydodgerman
19-01-2009, 22:10
I have to concede a point to the guy complaining about the MS wheel earlier... I was racing today in a D Class 9 lapper and was biding my time around first place in my highly underpowered car when all of a sudden the wheel decided to bring up the telemetry and drop me from fifth to third gear. I realised what the hell had happened pretty quickly but that still didn't stop me from losing a hundred or so metres, meaning I lost the race as well as the 7,000 difference in credits, and also doing 31% damage to my engine costing me a further 1,300 credits. Thanks for jinxing me, guy. Boy am I glad it happened on the last lap of the 9 lapper and not the last of the 25 lap/1 hour endurance I did right after.
Hi again. I wasn't trying to complain about the MS wheel exactly. I just wanted to bring up some issues with the wheel so that unsure people knew. Drop-outs in the wireless connection, power adaptors catching fire (which has been apparently been fixed now). I wanted to show there was another choice if you didnt want a MS wheel but didnt want to spend £££s on the G25. The drivefx is not true force feedback, but it still does a damn good job. Nice clicky feeling when you change gear, and the wheel tenses up at high speeds, and you can feel when the car is about to go beyond its limit. Thats just my two cents :)
PerfectStrategy
19-01-2009, 22:43
I went straight to R4, no assists (like i do with the controller)
utter garbage. With no proper playing setup, its hard to want to use it. I found the force feedback (at least i presume it to be that) was detromental to the experience - it didn't simulate oversteer rather just wanted to jerk the thing left or right after you inputed past a certain angle
i don't know what i was expecting, but something better than what i have i think..
This is kind of my experience as well. I thought the wheel would be intuitive and I could jump right on it and do at least OK. But it will clearly take a lot of effort on my part to get near the level I am at with the controller. I guess I'll see with the Fanatec. But yeah I have to drive so much slower and make such gentle turns because I am so scared of the thing (also no assists for me). Get a little tire spin or a bad angle and I start swerving wildly as I overcorrect with the wheel and I spin out completely from initially a slight mistake.
leahcim35
20-01-2009, 03:16
utter garbage. With no proper playing setup, its hard to want to use it. I found the force feedback (at least i presume it to be that) was detromental to the experience - it didn't simulate oversteer rather just wanted to jerk the thing left or right after you inputed past a certain angle
i don't know what i was expecting, but something better than what i have i think..
You can't fight the wheel. You need to control your right foot without TCS. If you lifted your foot straight off when you applied too much power and it started to spin that was another mistake :)
I doubt it's your setup [I showed a picture of the toddler's high chair and table mine is on].
Get the shelby cobra fac spec, drive a few laps like folk drive IRL [change gear early at 2k - 3k not redline, and stick at 70-100mph so when you get the bend you've hours to indicate, check the gps and so on] then build up the speed.
But for anything with power out of the exit [for D class that's pretty much the 1970s Chevelle] - or for a few things, without TCS you can spin the wheels in a straight line, you have to squeeze on and off the power slowly.
Eventually you'll do that anyway, whatever car you're in, because, as you can see from the telemetry, full throttle isn't pedal to the metal anyway, and you get used to squeezing on the power rather than just standing on the pedal even when you could get away with it. You just drive differently, and that "driving on egg shells" feeling you have, where you don't want to turn too much or press the throttle too much, just goes, you just turn the wheel and press the pedals without thinking about it, just as you did when you were pressing them too far.
But, although you should find some D class easier, to get the control for TCS off you need to use a car that doesn't let you just put the throttle to the floor, so imho it's pointless starting with, say, Peugeot 206 [or at least, if you do, you'll have to learn the throttle control later which is no different to having TCS on]
And think "turn the wheel half as much as I think it should be turned from watching racing folk in cars turn a wheel" - look at e.g R2PKimiMatt or V12 Backone ABS laps and the telemetry for the steering.
I personally think the lock is one of forza's glitches, I guess we'll see how steering in race pro is to compare with it. It seems from that tuning document that gtr evo has a steering lock setting to let you get as much from the wheel as you can [e.g most courses on Forza require at most half lock, in gtr evo it seems you can configure so that your whole steering movement will cover that range, and not be wasted. This "global steering lock" setting in one of the interviews that race pro has sounds like it fixes my biggest gripe with the wheel.
But it has to be said my gripes were just because I sucked :) Most of the things that were a pain [steering a straight line in the GT40 time trial with full throttle without getting a tank slapper] are perfectly possible.
Use the camera view that lets you see the bonnet. Much easier to catch if you lose it and I think steering feels right from that view [sadly the one with central dials and a rvm is better for, well, having central dials and a rvm :)]
Don't bother watching AMG Jed / Daveyskills anymore...those days of pushing the lock completely to the left/right and letting it snap back to center or pumping the stick completely to the left/right are over :)
Once you get it, you'll wonder what the fuss was about, especially the TCS. When you can drive the trickiest car feeling what the wheels are doing without losing it, you go back to the controller and you'll feel completely detached from the game.
But, and this seems to be open to debate, you probably won't be any slower or quicker with/without assists, with controller/wheel, after those few hours you spend getting used to it. I'm certainly not. So you might wonder what the fuss was about once again [especially the assists one]
Somebody on the Forza forums wrote up a whole article about why the wheel is that much harder to use than the controller. I can't find the link at the moment but his theory is that the tyre simulation in the game relies on what he called "slip angle", so that you need to have the car sliding at a certain amount for the tyres to reach their optimal grip when going around corners. Something like that. And apparently through using the controller this is performed automatically, giving you the perfect slip angle every time. I will find the link if I can.
For high power cars in Forza I usually just make sure I can run out the exit one gear higher than I would in a lower powered vehicle. Easing on and off the pedals is a must unless you're driving a FWD or AWD and don't mind the understeer dragging you out to the ripple strip.
Here's the link: http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/2166111.aspx But further in the thread some guy who says he's an auto engineer comes in and claims the guy is wrong about slip angle, and therefore he's probably wrong about his theory.
leahcim35
20-01-2009, 07:12
Somebody on the Forza forums wrote up a whole article about why the wheel is that much harder to use than the controller.
Yeah it's not true imho.
The controller and wheel are different, so each has advantages and disadvantages.
Usually whenever I convince myself that the only possible way around the corner as fast as someone else is going means the car has to be skidding or sliding, or whenever I beat my best lap time with a lap that has a point where I skidded or slid around, I usually find a smoother way around that's just as fast, if not faster [and what is usually different is that I was away from the edge of the track compared with the ghost, so at the same entry speed, I had less road, had to turn more and thus skidded, rather than simply went smoothly and straighter through the same bend]
So what I find is that driving smoothly around slowly [e.g at first, say, following Forza 2's line] is where you start. You're smooth but, then you see it isn't quick at all. To get quicker you have to still find a smooth line, whereas you'll tend to overcook it, and you might be quicker than that slow time but not smooth.
Finding the smooth line that's quick is the secret. I think this guy has just found that you can be faster sometimes, even if you aren't always smooth but he thinks that he got faster /because/ of the sliding [rather than because his earlier smoother laps were simply not very fast]
perfectnobody
20-01-2009, 18:35
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PerfectStrategy
20-01-2009, 19:08
for those interested.....
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thanks to http://www.cheapassgamer.com/
That's a really good deal, cheapest I've seen it. And the pedals are compatible with the Fanatec Turbo S if you ever decide to upgrade. :bravo:
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