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TGE-Spad
18-01-2009, 19:00
Hey Guys...
First time posting here for me BUT...
I would like to say how much of a treat you guys are in for. I am an admin on a League racing site and an avid driver of Race07/GTR Evo. This is pretty much what you'll be getting.
I have been an big fan of Simbin's work from when I had GT Legends at the start though to GTR, GTR2 and Race 07 - GTR Evolution.
These are one of, if not THE best Racing Sims out there. I can tell you know the learning curve is steep but very rewarding. Don't expect to be very fast at first. This game takes a lot of learning but when you know what you are doing it is even better fun! I have written threads in other forums on how to set up cars. LEARN TO SET CARS UP!!!mdr1 - The rewards are great fun to drive!
If any of you guys need any hints and tips how to set up the cars and drive them don't hesitate to ask!
Enjoy Race Pro!
Spad
SPEEDEM0N
18-01-2009, 19:08
We expect no less... dark:
Welcome to the forums by the way ! :salut2:
Brako_UK
18-01-2009, 19:09
Welcome to the forum Spad,and it's very kind of you to offer help to those that might not know much about setting car's up.It's all becomming clear now,your a new member from a race track far far away,offering guidence and pleasent banter to all.
TGE-Spad
18-01-2009, 19:19
Im in the UK mate and thanks for the welcome! :)
But I will certainly help those who want it! I have helped members of our league lots of times! It's always me they turn to! I actually enjoy doing it if it makes them a better faster driver! I know I am also giving away my secrets but it all leads to better close racing.
Another thing you guys on the XBox will miss out on is MOTEC. This is real world telemetry software we can use with GTR, GTR2 and Race07/GTR Evo. You can see what your car is doing (mechanically wise) so you can adjust springs, dampers, tyre pressures and so forth to get more grip to do a better lap!
Also sadly you may miss out on the huge community out the for the PC based games! There are 1000's of skins, tracks and then there is the modders... They build cars. IF they could tie it into XBox Live and give you access to this and let them run on the game you tracks and cars can be endless in supply!
Let's hope eh... :)
Im in the UK mate and thanks for the welcome! :)
But I will certainly help those who want it! I have helped members of our league lots of times! It's always me they turn to! I actually enjoy doing it if it makes them a better faster driver! I know I am also giving away my secrets but it all leads to better close racing.
Another thing you guys on the XBox will miss out on is MOTEC. This is real world telemetry software we can use with GTR, GTR2 and Race07/GTR Evo. You can see what your car is doing (mechanically wise) so you can adjust springs, dampers, tyre pressures and so forth to get more grip to do a better lap!
Also sadly you may miss out on the huge community out the for the PC based games! There are 1000's of skins, tracks and then there is the modders... They build cars. IF they could tie it into XBox Live and give you access to this and let them run on the game you tracks and cars can be endless in supply!
Let's hope eh... :)
There is something you could do for me, maybe. Tell me how to get Motec for Race 07. I know the game's different, but that would enable me to be able to help my team with their tuning, if motec is absent from Race Pro.
PerfectStrategy
18-01-2009, 19:23
I don't think the learning curve will be that much, I'm sure it will be pretty easy. As far as the tuning goes, hopefully there is a way where I can download other people's tunes. I'm not a race driver in real life and the tuning process is too much work and boredom for me. Race 3 laps, average times; make adjustment, 3 laps, average times; repeat for each adjustment, etc. And then you run into the problem of needing a different tune for every track for every car. It brings me to tears just thinking about it.
My brother does do some tuning in Forza 2 but he just hires an AI driver and watches all the telemetry data as he makes adjustments. But I doubt Race Pro will have any functionality like that so even he is screwed.
TGE-Spad
18-01-2009, 19:28
No...
To become very quick it is a steep learning curve... Especially on Pro (Simulation) - you may no get this is Race Pro?? I don't know...
Remember this is not an arcade racer. Forget them this is something else. You jsut can't get in the cars and be quick.
If you want full on race game this is it...
There is something you could do for me, maybe. Tell me how to get Motec for Race 07. I know the game's different, but that would enable me to be able to help my team with their tuning, if motec is absent from Race Pro.
Have a look at this thread. You will have to edit some files:
http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=369641&postcount=35
Don't worry about the paths to where they are... You will need to go where Race 07 is installed on your PC.
PerfectStrategy
18-01-2009, 19:31
No...
To become very quick it is a steep learning curve... Especially on Pro (Simulation) - you may no get this is Race Pro?? I don't know...
Remember this is not an arcade racer. Forget them this is something else. You jsut can't get in the cars and be quick.
If you want full on race game this is it...
Yes, clearly Forza 2 with assists off is nothing but an arcade racer like Need for Speed Undercover, please forgive me almighty one. :respect:
Yes, clearly Forza 2 with assists off is nothing but an arcade racer like Need for Speed Undercover, please forgive me almighty one. :respect:
If you haven't played Race 07, you don't know what you're talking about.
TGE-Spad
18-01-2009, 19:35
LOL
Not at all Forza is awesome... I love it when I have had a go at a friends...
The problem is I have that I am a PC based racer. I have tried all sorts of racing from all sorts of formats and the best I have driven is those games from Simbin.
Like I said...
You guys are in for a treat!
Julio_Geordio_9
18-01-2009, 19:54
Are you investing in a xbox and joining us for some Race Pro?
I know i am, and i am sure that more PC racers will join if the game is up to PC sim standards, which i dont doubt it will
TGE-Spad
18-01-2009, 19:59
I would like to but 2 factors...
1. I am skint!!!
2. This is the BIG one... I have a Logitech G25. It doesn't run on the XBox, you may have a hard time dragging me off it.lolblue:
Julio_Geordio_9
18-01-2009, 20:01
Help kickstarting the UK's economy again by getting into (more) debt
Brako_UK
18-01-2009, 20:05
Sadly i dont see Microsoft allowing the community to make car's when Ms would be missing out on money.It's a shame too ,because the thing that kill's most console game's off is the lack of content.Race PRO has been said to have roughly around 5 DLC pack's though,so that should keep us going for a while.
TGE-Spad
18-01-2009, 20:09
Yes that's a shame.
The PC community is very well established with lots of 3rd party content!
Brako_UK
18-01-2009, 20:51
At some point i really do want to move from console to pc for just the racing side of thing's as i really do want the best of the best and not have to worry about what cant be done on console.Forget about money being an object,what parts would i need to build a really good pc that would be perfect for racing titles?.
It seem's the older i get,games like the GTA series and other sorts of games,it seem's i am going off these games by the hour.All i ever want to do is have some really good racing games that really are top notch stuff.Soon we will have Race PRO but i cant see really indepth sim racer's having a huge impact on console,so i really do need to move to pc.
So all i need is what i need to buy to make a top notch pc to run all the best sim games on.
No offence Brako, but this forum is for Race Pro. For help with a PC for sim's i suggest you visit http://www.racedepartment.com/ or http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forum.php. They know what you need ;)
I myself will be moving to the PC's again as soon as the Lizard engine is introduced there as well.
Brako_UK
18-01-2009, 21:38
No offence taken what so ever Nagge and many thanks for the links,when i have the time i will have a scout around them to see if i can find the info i need.Very much appriciated sir.
I dont care if we are in for a treat or not, i need a new racing game on the 360 :)
AZT_Backfire
18-01-2009, 22:49
same :]
I can't wait either :]
Have a look at this thread. You will have to edit some files:
http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=369641&postcount=35
Don't worry about the paths to where they are... You will need to go where Race 07 is installed on your PC.
Thankyou very much. I've got it installed, and working. All I need to do now is read that thread of yours, and try to understand the data I'm getting! Complex piece if kit that one!
Deadly_Dave
19-01-2009, 20:28
I would like to but 2 factors...
1. I am skint!!!
2. This is the BIG one... I have a Logitech G25. It doesn't run on the XBox, you may have a hard time dragging me off it.lolblue:
I to have GTR/RACE 07 and no full well what these guys are in for, but it really does make me laugh listening to everyone talking about race pro like they no what to expect!!!!! if you never have played a simbin sim before you have no idea, you may think you are good but trust me and Spad your not as good as you think!!
And spad i to have a g25 wheel and just love heal and toe downshifting with it!! cant do that in forza2!!! forza2 is no where near realistic as you may think and i no.. Just gutted it will never work on the 360:noooo:
PerfectStrategy
19-01-2009, 21:03
I to have GTR/RACE 07 and no full well what these guys are in for, but it really does make me laugh listening to everyone talking about race pro like they no what to expect!!!!! if you never have played a simbin sim before you have no idea, you may think you are good but trust me and Spad your not as good as you think!!
And spad i to have a g25 wheel and just love heal and toe downshifting with it!! cant do that in forza2!!! forza2 is no where near realistic as you may think and i no.. Just gutted it will never work on the 360:noooo:
You don't think you could heel-toe with these pups?
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_usa/obj-images/60_4.jpg
(Fanatec Clubsport pedals from Porsche 911 Turbo S wheel)
And I love how everyone likes to exaggerate things to the utmost degree. Calling Forza 2 a kids game or arcade racer is not just elitist, it's dumb. It's the whole niche vs mainstream thing I guess. I could tell you to play America's Army if you really want a game with a hell of a learning curve. Most any game will be a balance of intrinsic skill and time spent/experience. If Race Pro is truly a good game and a good sim then it will require higher intrinsic skill. It should also be more readily understood by people that better understand the physics of racing and know what to expect and how different cars handle on different tracks.
Some of you guys make it seem like Race Pro is in another genre from Forza 2, or that nothing between the two is comparable. Do you really think that the top players of Forza 2 won't also be amongst the top players of Race Pro? (assuming they play the game of course).
I personally was only decent at Forza 2, and I expect to adjust to Race Pro fairly quickly and achieve approximately the same level of expertise as I did in Forza 2. I never tuned any of my cars or spent time figuring out which car would have a weird advantage in some class. I also didn't copy people's car choices, I just chose ones I liked and upgraded them to the cusp of the class limit for whatever class I was aiming for. All of my leaderboard entries are with no assists because I never used them, whether I could be faster with them or not. I notice I hardly ever see a leaderboard entry with no assists, most all of them have at least one or two assists enabled.
So I'm excited to try Race Pro. I wish it was going to be as hard as some of you say, but I know it won't be. I don't mind a good challenge at all as long as it's justified (i.e. not based on luck), and I'm sure I have played many more difficult games than Race Pro will be. So now that I've stated this game will be a cakewalk, I just have to wait until release day (5 days after you guys get it in EU) :bravo:
Deadly_Dave
19-01-2009, 21:20
You don't think you could heel-toe with these pups?
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_usa/obj-images/60_4.jpg
(Fanatec Clubsport pedals from Porsche 911 Turbo S wheel)
And I love how everyone likes to exaggerate things to the utmost degree. Calling Forza 2 a kids game or arcade racer is not just elitist, it's dumb. It's the whole niche vs mainstream thing I guess. I could tell you to play America's Army if you really want a game with a hell of a learning curve. Most any game will be a balance of intrinsic skill and time spent/experience. If Race Pro is truly a good game and a good sim then it will require higher intrinsic skill. It should also be more readily understood by people that better understand the physics of racing and know what to expect and how different cars handle on different tracks.
Some of you guys make it seem like Race Pro is in another genre from Forza 2, or that nothing between the two is comparable. Do you really think that the top players of Forza 2 won't also be amongst the top players of Race Pro? (assuming they play the game of course).
I personally was only decent at Forza 2, and I expect to adjust to Race Pro fairly quickly and achieve approximately the same level of expertise as I did in Forza 2. I never tuned any of my cars or spent time figuring out which car would have a weird advantage in some class. I also didn't copy people's car choices, I just chose ones I liked and upgraded them to the cusp of the class limit for whatever class I was aiming for. All of my leaderboard entries are with no assists because I never used them, whether I could be faster with them or not. I notice I hardly ever see a leaderboard entry with no assists, most all of them have at least one or two assists enabled.
So I'm excited to try Race Pro. I wish it was going to be as hard as some of you say, but I know it won't be. I don't mind a good challenge at all as long as it's justified (i.e. not based on luck), and I'm sure I have played many more difficult games than Race Pro will be. So now that I've stated this game will be a cakewalk, I just have to wait until release day (5 days after you guys get it in EU) :bravo:
Seriouly forza2 has ALOT of flaws with it and you seam to be under the impression that just because forza2 with all assits off which does make it hard makes it real physics????? just try trailbraking in forza it cant be done without brake understearing straight off the track(can with setup but far from real) the cars have no weight to them they like float and yes the top players in fz2 wont be so good in race pro...and no you wont be able to pick up and learn in a week or even a year in this game, you really are blind about simbin sims. in forza its so easy to hit every apex everytime just doing that lap after lap in race pro takes ALOT of PRACTISE and many ppl who play cant!!
Do you use a controller or the wheel???
TRC_GeorgiaDawg
19-01-2009, 21:28
I to have GTR/RACE 07 and no full well what these guys are in for, but it really does make me laugh listening to everyone talking about race pro like they no what to expect!!!!! if you never have played a simbin sim before you have no idea, you may think you are good but trust me and Spad your not as good as you think!!
And spad i to have a g25 wheel and just love heal and toe downshifting with it!! cant do that in forza2!!! forza2 is no where near realistic as you may think and i no.. Just gutted it will never work on the 360:noooo:
Your posts and Spad's are music to my ears. I'm a Forza guy who's dying for something really challenging. I'm sure I won't be as fast as I am on Forza right off the bat. But, wasn't fast on Forza right off the bat either. Just like any other game, it's going to take skill, patience and a willingness to learn if you want to be fast.
As far as any debate about the simness of Forza. I've said it from the very beginning. Forza is not a sim. It's a very good video game with some sim elements. Problem with Forza is there's too much grip in every single car in the game and I suspect there's issues with how drag and the aerodynamics work. Then there's the tuning, which to say the least, is ridiculous. I'm doubting anything that works tuning wise in Forza is going to work on RP. No max tire pressures, two gear setups, max downforce on everything, crazy antirollbar settings or 200 percent brake pressures.
And no disrespect to the no assists racers on Forza. But, if you're thinking that no assists on Forza is going to prepare you for a true sim game, I'm thinking your sadly mistaken.
Your posts and Spad's are music to my ears. I'm a Forza guy who's dying for something really challenging. I'm sure I won't be as fast as I am on Forza right off the bat. But, wasn't fast on Forza right off the bat either. Just like any other game, it's going to take skill, patience and a willingness to learn if you want to be fast.
As far as any debate about the simness of Forza. I've said it from the very beginning. Forza is not a sim. It's a very good video game with some sim elements. Problem with Forza is there's too much grip in every single car in the game and I suspect there's issues with how drag and the aerodynamics work. Then there's the tuning, which to say the least, is ridiculous. I'm doubting anything that works tuning wise in Forza is going to work on RP. No max tire pressures, two gear setups, max downforce on everything, crazy antirollbar settings or 200 percent brake pressures.
And no disrespect to the no assists racers on Forza. But, if you're thinking that no assists on Forza is going to prepare you for a true sim game, I'm thinking your sadly mistaken.
I can play race 07 all right, and I started on xmas day. No, I'm not running top times, and I still spear off the track around corners when I touch the accelerator a little early. It is a different world to Forza however
(Vids taken in-game, direct feed, not very good picture, due to compression for youtube. Xbox 360 controller used in most, apart from the first one in the F3000 (360 wheel), not intended to show any correlation to Race Pro)
I don;t use the arrows, but I've just not turned them off in Race 07. The Sunred video from the GTR Evo Demo I did remember to, and could still drive it, allbeit badly.
RACE 07 VIDS Apologies for no sound, but the Realtek HD doesn't capture for some reason
Curitiba F3000 (Wheel)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ipPgcQtvNM
Curitiba Mini
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=trw1-UaiPSk
GTR Evo Sunred Brands Hatch
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0sbIintrJv0
FBMW race, not intending to finish. Note the stopngo for pitlane speeding, and the blue please yield flags once i have served that stopngo. Also Aero repairs taking 36 secs:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFYJXHM2XA
Wet Mini Practice (Brands Hatch)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4krO1c37C_M
One for fun, moving the seat around.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=s4H5sY98Sog
PerfectStrategy
19-01-2009, 22:34
Seriouly forza2 has ALOT of flaws with it and you seam to be under the impression that just because forza2 with all assits off which does make it hard makes it real physics????? just try trailbraking in forza it cant be done without brake understearing straight off the track(can with setup but far from real) the cars have no weight to them they like float and yes the top players in fz2 wont be so good in race pro...and no you wont be able to pick up and learn in a week or even a year in this game, you really are blind about simbin sims. in forza its so easy to hit every apex everytime just doing that lap after lap in race pro takes ALOT of PRACTISE and many ppl who play cant!!
Do you use a controller or the wheel???
I use controller. I have only used the wheel to practice and get used to the FFB. I recently gave away my MS wheel because I have the Fanatec on order. Since I won't get that until July I am going to be wheel-less for some months.
I read all the arguments about wheel vs controller in the other thread. The reason I ordered the Fanatec is because of the clutch and the 900 degree radius. I have trouble with the MS wheel because I am so used to my real steering wheel and so it always turns way too much. I am much better with the thumbstick on the controller because I am used to it and not expecting it to behave exactly like something else which I am very accustomed to from driving every day. Also the FFB makes it more difficult I think. The wheel wants to fight me a bit if I hit a rumble strip.
DjAladdinUSA
19-01-2009, 22:57
I've used the controller with every racing game since childhood. Wheels are fantastic, no doubt, but I'm cheap. :laugh:
I have to agree with TRC_GeorgiaDawg, FM2 with assists off is indeed challenging, but nowhere near a prep of a true sim game. The characteristics and "physics" of Race Pro will be completely new and unique for everyone.
Looking forward to learning it ...... well.
rustymike12
20-01-2009, 01:51
All of you pro's are making me afraid to buy the game. weirdblue
Hopefully there'll be regular people for me to race with. :nuts:
All of you pro's are making me afraid to buy the game. weirdblue
Hopefully there'll be regular people for me to race with. :nuts:
I am in your league, I think... At least as far as Forza 2 goes. For giggles I looked up your best time vs mine on Class A Road Atlanta. Our best times are within 0.042 seconds of one another. (I'm a tad faster there)
And you are 0.45 seconds faster on Laguna Seca.
:cry:
VIPEROSI
20-01-2009, 02:44
The only issue which could make this game different from its pc origins is the lizard physics engine. As far as im aware this is its first application and potentially could alter the simulation experience especially if it has been dumbed down in any way to suit the console audience.
As far as addons go, the current crop of simbin products on pc all integrate with each other.
STCC and GTR EVO all are installed into the race 07 directory if you have it and it forms the one game with all these features added to it.
So its possible that the same may be possible to download content from simbin if they produce any further stuff for the xbox.
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