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Copperhead_BOB
20-01-2009, 03:00
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/coming-attractions-shooters-and-racing-article?page=2
Race Pro just gets a passing mention while a "vaporware" Codie's F1 gets the top billing.
Hype is fuel and fuel is hype.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/coming-attractions-shooters-and-racing-article?page=2
Race Pro just gets a passing mention while a "vaporware" Codie's F1 gets the top billing.
Hype is fuel and fuel is hype.
I love the way that they put the Bizarre game that no-one knows what it is, a game that hasn't even been announced yet (Forza 3), a game that isn't even confirmed for a 2009 release (GT5) and a game that isn't even apparently much based upon Racing (Fuel) above Race Pro.
After the mindless dumbing down of the ToCA/Race Driver/V8 Supercars by Codemasters with Grid, I have no faith in them for a Formula 1 game. F3000, Here we come!
VIPEROSI
20-01-2009, 03:14
I never buy gaming magazines or take too much notice of there reviews because they are always way off the mark.
Instead i pay attention to specialised websites and testing the games myself.
The fact that race pro got put in the other players category was a joke....its going to wipe the floor as far as racing goes!.
There opinion on codemasters is about as far from the truth as you can get. They are going to absolutely ruin the f1 genre.
Ill definately be sticking to the awesome f1 simulations by ctdp in rfactor. I wouldnt touch a codemasters product with a long stick.
I don't know what is taking them so long to put a demo together of a game that has been delayed till last november, but Simbin needs to let the gamers decide and show them their game is worth it by releasing that demo ages ago. Previews don't often give games like this any credits
leahcim35
20-01-2009, 05:07
After the mindless dumbing down of the ToCA/Race Driver/V8 Supercars by Codemasters with Grid, I have no faith in them for a Formula 1 game.
Yep, and the game was just a UK dev with a good reputation with Toca and so on, trying to appeal to the US.
To do that they effectively gave the Toca loving crowd and previous race driver fanbase a huge kick where it hurts.
If, as he claims, it went for a mass audience, it was imo a failure [although it has to be said, it sold well enough, its by no means a great selling game, if that's what they wanted to achieve]
As I've said, I hope race pro sells as well [at least on the single platform]
I don't know what is taking them so long to put a demo together of a game that has been delayed till last november, but Simbin needs to let the gamers decide and show them their game is worth it by releasing that demo ages ago.
People are going to decide whether to buy based on it, and, so it has to be right, otherwise they'd just be throwing away all the interest they've built up.
Given that, as we said at xmas, that folk have played the game for quite a while, and lots have had previews that seem to have been solid, my guess [and I stress it's a guess] is that they've been optimising it.
PerfectStrategy
20-01-2009, 05:11
Yep, and the game was just a UK dev with a good reputation with Toca and so on, trying to appeal to the US.
What can I say? We US folk like fast, loud, and massive carnage; with a Viper on the cover art! mdr1
Sorry about ruining your game. :bravo:
leahcim35
20-01-2009, 05:54
We US folk like fast, loud, and massive carnage; with a Viper on the cover art! mdr1
Heh. You liked the Grid announcer then? TBH, what ruined it for me was the completely arcade handling and blurry graphics, not the stuff attempted to sell it across the pond. [It's just that the last thing I'd do would be to change my accent to improve appeal in the US, which is why it's doubly ironic that CM did]
I did have to laugh at the teamxbox preview for Race Pro that said Euro-centric, and then nearly every car and track he mentioned after that was American :)
So perhaps that's how Codemasters were flawed in their attempts? If team xbox's trend of seeing everything in the game that isn't American makes it appear "euro centric" to them, presumably because it sticks out more to them than what is American, then they probably wasted their time trying to make it appeal without making it Nascar.
I love the way that they put the Bizarre game that no-one knows what it is, a game that hasn't even been announced yet (Forza 3), a game that isn't even confirmed for a 2009 release (GT5) and a game that isn't even apparently much based upon Racing (Fuel) above Race Pro.
This is what I have been saying for a long time and people want to understand whatever they want not what's written! 10sur10
new video...http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/racepro/video/6203352/racepro-official-trailer-3?hd=1
new video...http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/racepro/video/6203352/racepro-official-trailer-3?hd=1
No, it's a week old.
IVORBIGUN
20-01-2009, 10:11
Such a shame to see RacePro recieve little attention. What makes it even worse is F1 recieves all the attention from a developer who ruins racing games.
The problem I have with Codemasters is its all about graphics with no effort made into the physics engine which is why games such as Grid are dreadful. Obviously all games don't have to be sims but you can still develop a decent racing game with arcade physics with PGR3 being a good example.
From what I have seen Simbin seem the complete opposite with the focus being on the physics rather than the graphics. Considering this is a sim racing game then thats how it should be.
There is one developer who manages to produce brilliant graphics, stunning physics engine. This developer is of course PD who make Gran Turismo. Im looking forward to RacePro but as soon as GT5 is released im off!
rustymike12
20-01-2009, 12:29
I've noticed that there is hardly any mention of the latest driving game for the PS3, Ferrari Challenge. I'm guessing that is because so few people played it that it made NO impression on the console racing community. The same company that put FC out, promises a new improved version called Super Car Challenge. We'll see.
I've noticed that there is hardly any mention of the latest driving game for the PS3, Ferrari Challenge. I'm guessing that is because so few people played it that it made NO impression on the console racing community. The same company that put FC out, promises a new improved version called Super Car Challenge. We'll see.
System 3's Ferrari racer goes non-denominational with Supercar Challenge
That's all that was in there. FC wasn't very good IMO.
PerfectStrategy
20-01-2009, 13:38
Heh. You liked the Grid announcer then? TBH, what ruined it for me was the completely arcade handling and blurry graphics, not the stuff attempted to sell it across the pond. [It's just that the last thing I'd do would be to change my accent to improve appeal in the US, which is why it's doubly ironic that CM did]
I did have to laugh at the teamxbox preview for Race Pro that said Euro-centric, and then nearly every car and track he mentioned after that was American :)
So perhaps that's how Codemasters were flawed in their attempts? If team xbox's trend of seeing everything in the game that isn't American makes it appear "euro centric" to them, presumably because it sticks out more to them than what is American, then they probably wasted their time trying to make it appeal without making it Nascar.
If you mean the woman who talks through your career, I thought she was OK. She called me Dumptruck, and criticized all of my decisions. tonguegre
The best thing I liked about GRID was the Demo derby, even though they only had a single course for it. It's just really really fun, especially online. The damage system at least has a lot of horsepower behind it with pieces flying everywhere and tripping you up on future laps. And mainly, I just really like taking people out of the race (watch out for me on Race Pro if collisions are on, btw). :bravo:
Haha, that Nascar bullplop is just your EU bias showing. Any le mans style or street racing game easily outsells the Nascar games. I have no doubt that even a (less popular/not hyped/not recognized on console) game like Race Pro will outsell the latest Nascar iteration. But hey, if a european says that all americans only like nascar and going round and round an oval, then it must be true! :respect:
Oh, but I also remember reading that the UK has Nascar as well, so joke's on you! mdr1
Yeah, if Codemasters is listening and they want to appeal to americans in their F1 game, they better put in an oval. I can't wait to race round an oval in F1 cars, that would be intense! :atari:
leahcim35
20-01-2009, 13:52
But hey, if a european says that all americans only like nascar and going round and round an oval, then it must be true!
Nope, this European would only say that one American obviously read stuff that wasn't actually there :)
beradd88
20-01-2009, 15:19
Yeah, if Codemasters is listening and they want to appeal to americans in their F1 game, they better put in an oval. I can't wait to race round an oval in F1 cars, that would be intense! :atari:
OMG Don't give codemasters any ideas. I could see them doing that.
crappucino
20-01-2009, 16:58
Eurogamer sems to have gradually ceased being a credible source of reviews and information. It used to be pretty ok but they have either recently employed a load of reviewers who just spout mindless nonsense (what on earth is a "proto simulator"?) or they're just giving props to the highest bidder like everyone else.
even though you all this GRID is awful, it realy isn't, its perfect for what is what meant to be, an arcade game, it wasnt meant to be realistic but it done what it was meant to do, appeal to all gamers.
i think f1 09 will be either really good or terrible, if they decide to go arcade again it will be terrible, if they decide to put it out realistic it will be good, it doesnt even have to be really realistic just forza spec will do.
IIChrisPyII
20-01-2009, 17:57
even though you all this GRID is awful, it realy isn't, its perfect for what is what meant to be, an arcade game, it wasnt meant to be realistic but it done what it was meant to do, appeal to all gamers.
TBH I don't hate GRID because I know it was only meant to be an arcade racer. The thing I do hate is the fact that Codemasters has stuck two fingers up to all the customers who bought the original TOCA series and brought out unfulfilling rubbish like GRID and DiRT to appeal to NFS type gamers. I tried to play both but became very bored quickly. I can remember spending huge amounts of time on the TOCA games and loving every minute.
Another annoyance is the fact that people (media and public) compare it with RacePro when blatantly this is totally wrong. RacePro should only be compared with Forza and GT as these are the only (current) games on the console that claim to be a driving simulator.
leahcim35
20-01-2009, 21:03
even though you all this GRID is awful, it realy isn't, its perfect for what is what meant to be, an arcade game, it wasnt meant to be realistic
Really?
http://www.simracingworld.com/content/332-race-driver-grid-race-driver-one-announced/
AIUI before the game was released CM said the game would appeal to both arcade and sim fans. I guess you have to read their forums to see who said what, but that's really the impression I got around launch time, that a lot of Toca and RD fans posting on the site were under the impression that the game would have a sim and possibly even a pro-sim mode like earlier games, and weren't happy when it didn't.
I don't really want to bring it up again or bring their forum over here though TBH, because I don't care, I bought it and traded it in :)
Except to say, in their FAQ for F1 under a question "4. sim or arcade?" they say they can't say yet, which is a bit silly imo, and thus it's no surprise that whatever the game is, they have once again set themselves up to have a backlash of folk who weren't given a straight answer and don't like the level of realism in the game. It can't be that difficult to decide can it?
im not even gonna bother reading the topic but what you say is probably true, but after playing it its so obvious that its meant to be an arcade game, the fact everybody thought it was supposed to be sim was annoying but all im saying is that its good at what it was supposed to be, an arcade game
im not even gonna bother reading the topic but its
good at what it was supposed to be, an arcade game
But that isn't true!!!
It was NOT supposed to be an arcade game (at least not exclusively) They (codemasters) had strongly implied that there would be a strong Sim element to the game, which it absolutely does not have.
The PGR series doesn't get blasted for being an arcade racer, because it never presents itself as anything but an arcarde racer. People know what to expect, and they are happy with the results...
GRID, on the other hand, was said to have some Sim portions, and that was clearly a lie/mis-statement. And people are justifyably livid that the game was NOT what it was marketed to be.
But it is an arcade game thats what im saying, its not a terrible attempt at a sim, its arcade and imo its actually a really good game, for sure its different and you really cant take the game seriously but it is actually quite good
PerfectStrategy
20-01-2009, 22:18
But that isn't true!!!
It was NOT supposed to be an arcade game (at least not exclusively) They (codemasters) had strongly implied that there would be a strong Sim element to the game, which it absolutely does not have.
The PGR series doesn't get blasted for being an arcade racer, because it never presents itself as anything but an arcarde racer. People know what to expect, and they are happy with the results...
GRID, on the other hand, was said to have some Sim portions, and that was clearly a lie/mis-statement. And people are justifyably livid that the game was NOT what it was marketed to be.
But I think what he is saying is that it was intended and developed to be an arcade racing game, it didn't happen accidentally. If they wanted a sim they could have just updated the previous iteration of TOCA. But marketing wanted more sales so they tried to pitch it to the sim crowd as well.
But marketing wanted more sales so they tried to pitch it to the sim crowd as well.
And THAT is the rub, and THAT is what got people pissed. It doesn't matter WHAT R&D does or what their project goals are. The general population has no clue about that. And given the marketing spin, and the history with TOCA, it was a VERY realistic expectation that GRID would be a sim.
In general, the actual developers doing the code/work are not going to lie. They are following directions. (usually, anyways ;) ) So yes, it is safe to assume that the company knew all along that it would be an arcade racer.
I have several friends on my FL that play GRID a TON, and they are also avid Forza players. There's nothing wrong with making an unapologetic arcade game (as I said in my last post)
The problem is when the company lies. People buy into a game (and spend hard earned dollars/quid) on a game because it is represented as being a certain type of game. Then once the game has been opened, they find out that their purchase was a complete waste of money and they get angry.
I don't blame the gamer for being upset. He shouldn't have to read minds to know about the game.
Sorry for the long rant/post. But I was one of those people who were duped by Codemasters.
perfectnobody
21-01-2009, 22:49
this is trivial, but just got the February edition of game informer, and on their release list for February, race pro is no where to be found...
Atari is really doing a bad job at selling this game... :mefiant:
this is trivial, but just got the February edition of game informer, and on their release list for February, race pro is no where to be found...
Atari is really doing a bad job at selling this game... :mefiant:
:cry::cry:
rustymike12
22-01-2009, 01:38
:cry::cry:
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/racepro/similar.html?mode=versions
This maybe the reason
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/racepro/similar.html?mode=versions
This maybe the reason
What's it say? Gamespot is blocked here at work... :mad:
rustymike12
22-01-2009, 01:43
RacePro
Platform: Xbox 360
Release Date: Apr 7, 2009
Release Region: North America
Distribution: Retail
Release dates for Eur and Aus stay the same madred:
RacePro
Platform: Xbox 360
Release Date: Apr 7, 2009
Release Region: North America
Distribution: Retail
Release dates for Eur and Aus stay the same madred:
A MONTH?!?!?!?
[insert various nasty foul language here]
NOOoooooo!
EDIT - make that almost 2 Months.
rustymike12
22-01-2009, 01:54
There aren't enough F-bombs in the world to express my displeasure:mad:
perfectnobody
22-01-2009, 03:29
lets calm down...
and wait for an official word from Atari....
i finally saw a full page ad for race pro in the game informer and it said February 17th with a link to this web site with some "OLD" info
http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=58863
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