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Hi
Its fair to say that the anticipation of RacePro is high, and many who have played the games on the PC will fully appreciate Simbin driving games and the potential for this new title on the Xbox 360 console.
However, have they ticked all the boxes? I really am referring to the Ring which is missing from launch, (possible DLC). I am also surprised that they haven't provided support for the game like Race07 forum etc. The MS XBL forum is not up yet, but when you go to Simbin it directs you here, to simply find it dumped in with all other games.
Don't get me wrong I am really looking forward to this game and minor issues like forums can be over looked. But I am a little surprised that they haven't tried to include the ‘Ring’ or provide a dedicated forum for data and news.
I think this is the official forum. At least you get directed here from the RP website. Also logical since Atari is the publisher for the Xbox titles
@The Mother of all tracks: The nordschleife was not included in the original RACE 07 release but came to us later as an expansion pack GTR Evo. Same strategy maybe
I don't wish to be rude about a forum, but is this really the best they could do?? :)
Its a bit primitive for a company with the wealth and experience of Atari.
On the track: I do hope its one of the first DLC tracks, that are free, or will it be one of the ones we pay for?? I still feel that to launch a driving sim without the best track is one thing, if it turns out that its a track we pay for, that will be a bit out of order...
Thats why I think not all the basic boxes were ticked
Good forum?
Best track on any console?
I dont think this forum can be customised stylewise because of all the language packs that are installed (good thing by the way).
BlueFin175
20-01-2009, 15:08
My main concern in regard to 'ticking all boxes' is the implementation of the online options. We've heard next to nothing in regard to room configuration, private / ranked / player options etc, we have no idea other than 12 cars on the grid what to expect in regard to how as a host one can setup a room and control the race / series setup.
Frankly it's THE most important aspect of the game as far as I am concerned and I worry that a bad implementation will ruin the experience if not addressed properly. I have faith but would really REALLY like to see something that tells us what to expect. If the demo is to be online enabled, at least confirm to us that the demo is exactly what to expect from the finished product.
I've seen so many titles simply fade from view because of badly designed and implemented online functions. Lets hope Simbin, having experience with the PC online aspect, get it right with Xbox Live.
My main concern in regard to 'ticking all boxes' is the implementation of the online options. We've heard next to nothing in regard to room configuration, private / ranked / player options etc, we have no idea other than 12 cars on the grid what to expect in regard to how as a host one can setup a room and control the race / series setup.
Frankly it's THE most important aspect of the game as far as I am concerned and I worry that a bad implementation will ruin the experience if not addressed properly.
Couldn't agree more. Look how Codemasters ruined GRID with terrible online lobbies, etc.
If it's hard to set a private room up for my friends and I, and hard to switch between series/cars/tracks, it's not going to last very long in my online racing club.
And on that line BlueFin, another tick box has got to be PR. Who is in charge of the PR at Atari or Simbin? Its not bad, but it could certainly be better, I have had really trouble finding the exact cars, online features, weather effects, adjustable race length, fuel. Surely all finalised many moons ago...
I will be buying this game the first day, playing till i have shaved the last tength off my lap time, and starting mini tournaments on our forum. but I would have liked these areas covered. Like you mention BlueFin its the online play that interests me also. (they could remove the offline if they wanted too).
SonyJunkie
20-01-2009, 15:34
I've never played any of the previous games as my PC can barley handle Windows 3.1!!
I too want to know how online works, Forza2 has it's own problems but I think its online lobby was just about right!
What I would also like to know if there is going to be online leaderboards or any kind of web stats.
PerfectStrategy
20-01-2009, 17:06
It seems that Race 07 has a website leaderboard. Although it is very basic and not nearly as nice as Forza 2's.
I have seen the Race07 forum, it contains fan pack for websites and a host of information. Not bad, its not Forza, but that’s ok.
The reference to Forza is not used because its a good driving game, in fact I'm glad RacePro will be as far away from Forza as COD4 is from Halo, but developers/publishers etc can learn from other titles especially when they have been out over a year.
IMO it should be presented to us (in a similar way to the Forza pitpass) and not left to enthusiasts to scramble around to find hints of info and an odd video to post collectively in one mass Atari forum.
But I'm sure it will all work out ok, at least if we are not sure what the game contains we can't complain abut content getting dropped :rolleyes:
VVV_Hellbr1ng3r
21-01-2009, 00:07
I beleive the Nordelscheife has been confirmed as future DLC for Race Pro :)
Free or one of the DLC premium versions?
VVV_Hellbr1ng3r
21-01-2009, 00:10
They have not said which yet
DjAladdinUSA
21-01-2009, 04:47
Free or one of the DLC premium versions?I can only imagine an insane track such as Nurburgring would be premium. But that's me. Who knows? :hin:
That’s what i mean DjAladdinUSA, the Ring has been free on all relevant driving games in the last few years, and yet it possibly won't be included and it may be premium DLC (allegedly).
Beginning to feel short changed already...
IIChrisPyII
21-01-2009, 10:36
Beginning to feel short changed already...
Really?? your beginning to feel short changed without even playing a minute of the game?
There are loads of tracks that haven't been available in the other 360 racing titles, missing one track from the start shouldn't make you feel your getting less of a game. Besides DLC doesn't cost much anyway.
TBH,
I will do if I pay £40 for a driving sim, and it doesn’t include the best track in the world, (one that they have clearly prepared and completed) and they then ask me to pay a further £4 to get it.
My point is the "tick box" of things for a driving sim. Personally the Ring is one of them and preferably at launch or free shortly afterwards.:)
I'll gladly pay for Nürburgring if it means they will actually make a profit on this game and get them started on Race Pro 2 ;)
And this game is quite cheep, it's like 70% of a normal game at least here in Sweden.
PerfectStrategy
21-01-2009, 12:57
TBH,
I will do if I pay £40 for a driving sim, and it doesn’t include the best track in the world, (one that they have clearly prepared and completed) and they then ask me to pay a further £4 to get it.
My point is the "tick box" of things for a driving sim. Personally the Ring is one of them and preferably at launch or free shortly afterwards.:)
Laguna Seca is the best track in the world, but I'm not psychopants about it. If a game includes a proper number of good tracks, then you got your money's worth. Not just if a game has one particular track. I suppose you would be happy if they cut out other tracks to put in Nur? Because then there would be people of which those tracks were their personal favorite.
Sorry Laguna Seca is the best track in the world?? yeah ok moving on...
I would imagine you would be hard pushed to find many that would suggest Brno, Macua, Anderstorp, Oschersleben are equal or a worthy replacement for the Ring when many people have never driven these tracks in the last 5 years on a console racing game. In any case why would you need to drop a track to include the Ring. I imagine that the ground work was doen for Race 07 the OS mapping the design and fully implemented on a PC. So saying to get this, you need to drop that, doesn't really add up, we should get both!!
PerfectStrategy
21-01-2009, 13:10
Sorry Laguna Seca is the best track in the world?? yeah ok moving on...
I would imagine you would be hard pushed to find many that would suggest Brno, Macua, Anderstorp, Oschersleben are equal or a worthy replacement for the Ring when many people have never driven these tracks in the last 5 years on a console racing game. In any case why would you need to drop a track to include the Ring. I imagine that the ground work was doen for Race 07 the OS mapping the design and fully implemented on a PC. So saying to get this, you need to drop that, doesn't really add up, we should get both!!
I want everything!! Laguna Seca sucks because I say so!! Nurburgring is the bestest track ever!! Wahhhhhhhhh Wahhhhhhhhh cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:
Oh deah, you lost the argument when you stopped supporting your own view. Did i say it sucked? No I don't believe I did...
maxqubit
21-01-2009, 14:22
I would like to see some kind of website leaderboards. Racing WITH my friends is ok, but having seperate timetrials (track, car, aid, laptime) published on a website could come in handy to setup some kind of offline competition with my friends.
(back in the old xbox days it was called XSN, but i think it is no more)
leahcim35
21-01-2009, 15:42
I would imagine you would be hard pushed to find many that would suggest Brno, Macua, Anderstorp, Oschersleben are equal or a worthy replacement for the Ring when many people have never driven these tracks in the last 5 years on a console racing game.
Well I've never on driven them. Surely that's as much a good thing as a bad one isn't it?
TBH, I'm always surprised when driving on that road in Germany that it doesn't have an "are we there yet?" soundtrack.
But yes some seem to suspend disbelief and drive on it, good luck to them. But, if it's as popular as you suggest then, well, would you sell it or give it away? Right. I guess that too, and that's as much as we can do :)
In any case why would you need to drop a track to include the Ring.
Well, not to sound obtuse, but the shiny thing that the game comes on has a finite capacity. How much of it they use is of course unknown, but it's clear that there are limits.
nurburgring is awful for racing on though, if you can also run a perfect lap on there with not one mistake you are a genious. id rather have 5 smaller tracks that i can overtake on without much of a worry of going off than just 1 that im gonna sit behind somebody on until the crash off.
saying that id rather have 5 smaller tracks over 1 long 1 anyway
I wouldn't exchange 5 for 1, who would? but i'm not suggesting they do, i'm not even suggesting the Ring is my favorite track, I simply think that a games developer has some basic criteria set out be other games that you could consider a bench mark. And while all developers like to branch off and develope in different ways for a given genre, some things change and new games push this forward and almost become basic requirements, one could be considered the Ring, one could be good PR, or a basic online site.
Personally I wouldn't say its an awfull track, its really hard and with over 60 right hander and 60 left handers, including all variations of camber and gradient change, it is a real test. but getting a clean lap with 8 players steaming towards the first big braking zone is impossible.
Good point about the room on the disc. I will see when I install it on my harddrive I guess. Although that isn't always an indication of game size.
IIChrisPyII
21-01-2009, 17:57
Are all the tracks chosen for the game release based on the WTCC calendar or are there different tracks. Maybe explains why there is no 'ring from the start. I haven't been able to follow the WTCC on TV (don't know who braodcasts it in the UK) so I'm not sure where they race.
Are all the tracks chosen for the game release based on the WTCC calendar or are there different tracks. Maybe explains why there is no 'ring from the start. I haven't been able to follow the WTCC on TV (don't know who braodcasts it in the UK) so I'm not sure where they race.
wtcc is on eurosport in the uk, was last season and i know that because i watched a few rounds, and i dont think the tracks are all wtcc although quite a lot of them are. i think race 07 had all the wtcc tracks and a few more but i dont think this game has all the wtcc tracks
for instance laguna seca and road america aren't wtcc tracks, dont know about any others though as i dont really remember the track list
wtcc is on eurosport in the uk, was last season and i know that because i watched a few rounds, and i dont think the tracks are all wtcc although quite a lot of them are. i think race 07 had all the wtcc tracks and a few more but i dont think this game has all the wtcc tracks
for instance laguna seca and road america aren't wtcc tracks, dont know about any others though as i dont really remember the track list
March 11 - Curitiba, Brazil
May 6 - Zandvoort, Netherlands
May 20 - Valencia, Spain
June 3 - Pau, France
June 17 - Brno, Czech Republic
July 8 - Porto, Portugal
July 29 - Anderstorp, Sweden
August 26 - Oschersleben, Germany
September 23 - Btands Hatch, UK
October 7 - Monza, Italy
November 18 - Macau, China
The game has all the WTCC 07 tracks plus Laguna Seca and Road America.
IIChrisPyII
21-01-2009, 19:04
ahhh nice one chaps! best get me some eurosport this year then!
You can also watch the live streams at home if you dont have Eurosport on TV
AZT_Backfire
21-01-2009, 20:09
I dont see all the hype about the nordschleife (SP?)
As ray has rightly said, its not a good racing track at all. IMO, not even the best track in the world - by a long shot. Its the longest, sure. That does not make it 'the best track in the world'.
Obviously what really is the best track in the world will all come down to opinion, but it has to be a track you can race on and complete a decent amount of laps on, not a marathon of germany. Its good for a laugh, but no where near being the best track in the world.
IIChrisPyII
21-01-2009, 20:31
You can also watch the live streams at home if you dont have Eurosport on TV
cheers BramH, good news!!
You can also watch the live streams at home if you dont have Eurosport on TV
explain :), i missed quite a lot of races last season
VVV_Hellbr1ng3r
21-01-2009, 21:39
The Hype about the Nordelscheife is because it is the behemoth of all racetracks. Some think it is the best tracks, but as you say, backfire, it is down to opinion.
What it is, is one of the longest, definately the hardest to master, and one with the most heritage.
It also is one of the fastest tracks, with a very high average speed. A good racer there needs nerves of steel, good judgement and the ability to be fearless.
Aint nicknamed the 'green hell' for nothing.
i hate that track.
with passion!
but the F1 track is ok i think :)
AZT_Backfire
21-01-2009, 21:49
Yeah, nordschleife should have its own name its that long, it shouldnt be called a track lol
IIChrisPyII
21-01-2009, 21:49
explain :), i missed quite a lot of races last season
I'm guessing there is a streaming service on their website. Think I may have used it for Le Mans
VVV_Hellbr1ng3r
21-01-2009, 21:53
Yeah, nordschleife should have its own name its that long, it shouldnt be called a track lol
Its very tight for racing, but search on youtube and you'll find some great classic races and battle.
cars such as the 962c....mmmm...
leahcim35
22-01-2009, 11:30
You can also watch the live streams at home if you dont have Eurosport on TV
You don't have your TV at home? :)
It also is one of the fastest tracks, with a very high average speed. A good racer there needs nerves of steel....and the ability to be fearless.
Yeah, that's the kind of Top Gear assessment when they get that German girl to drive them around, but those aspects don't really translate into a game.
For me, it's more about it being a game and I'm not a racing driver with a career [and if I was I wouldn't be driving there :) ], and so I have only so much time to play games, and as there are so many different games to play, the time I spend pretending to drive on a track doesn't really lend itself to getting an in-depth knowledge of it, let alone retaining it just in case the next game has it.
Compared with, say, Road Atlanta, Silverstone and so on, where you can do a lap every 1-2 mins and even if you only play so often, you're quickly going to learn the track in a session.
Perhaps if I ever have hours and hours on the track I'd see it differently, but you can see how it's the perfect DLC track for them, simply because it's so big and does have a popularity amongst gamers.
Wow the mods have really let this thread run away.
Wow the mods have really let this thread run away.
Hi Unkle07 - sorry about that - the discussion didn't seem too far away from your original topic, but please feel free to PM me in the future if you feel it is again :)
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