Arcade ?

faqfaqfaq · 10-04-2006, 16:59

The steering looks rather arcade to me especially at high speed (NFS 6)

I hope I'm wrong because this is the only thing that can ruin the game

davie18 · 10-04-2006, 21:40

How does it look arcade? It hardly turns at high speed, which is realistic.

SIMON008 · 10-04-2006, 21:41

yeah how can you say the cars turn arcade style on they videos they are well realistic

evsky · 10-04-2006, 23:26

There not really realistic.

Deadly_Dave · 11-04-2006, 00:45

guys how on earth do you lot come up with all these answers, in well, all of the posts, you have no idea as youve never played the game, yet alot of us come to these forums to find infomation on this game but every post is full of off topic banter by the same guys, its getting really annoying now

faqfaqfaq · 11-04-2006, 08:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by davie18

How does it look arcade? It hardly turns at high speed, which is realistic.

Hah ! It doesn't turn hard at all ... have you seen this movie ?http://streamingmovies.ign.com/xbox3...wmvlowwide.wmv

SIMON008 · 11-04-2006, 10:12

no the turning in that video is realistic or to even get proof of if it is or not ask someone who has played the game

Mister-Sheep · 11-04-2006, 15:06

At the end of the day there is no such thing as a 'realistic' video game. They are all just games at the end of the day.

evsky · 11-04-2006, 17:39

Basically realistic is turning full lock going at fast speeds and you'll get alot of Understeer even if you got some sort of traction control on then your car would still Understeer. Its SIMPLE PHYSICS...

I think....

11-04-2006, 22:20

the game ain't arcade. Arcade is a mean word.. It means it's fake physics, fake engine, fake everything *cough* ridgeracer *cough*
If Magic_fr ever read that thread, he'd cry lol.
Thousands of parameters are playing on how a car is handling / accelerating etc. We are using all those parameters to make our car reacting as close as possible from reality. That's why all our cars are differents. Because not many car are the same in reality, ours are different as their counterparts in real life.
If a car understeer, it will in game.. not because we decided it, but because all data and the physic laws are saying it is !
But, cuz there is always a but

It's impossible to have a car fun to drive on a TV with a pad.
So, even if we are simulating everything in a car, we need to adapt the controls to the devices players will have to handle the beasties.
Just pause for a sec and look at your x360 pad. There's like 2 cm movement on each stick. That's for controling a wheel that turns like 2 or 3 times on itself to controls the direction from one side to the other of the car.
I'd call you superman if you could drive a car with that device without a lot of "help". It's those "steering controls" that on differents build made the game "arcadish" or "sim-ish".
That's what we are tuning atm among billions of other things. We don't want a "pain in the a** to control" game, where you crash in every corner and jump over every cliffs. But we don't want either a game where every n00b could drive an enzo like the stig.
We still want to have fun with those powerful cars tho.
Finding the balance is a pain, but we are quite happy with what we have today.
The game is quite easy when you are driving "easy" slow cars, vintage and muscle cars for example (except a few models that are real rockets).
But when you enter, let say an enzo for example, it's a total different thing. First, you are going hella faster !!! the corners are jumping at you !! you have lot less time to react, the road seems suddenly a lot less large, every bump makes you lose a bit of control on your steering !!
Like it would be if you were driving that car at top speed (at least as fast as you dare to) on normal roads.

SIMON008 · 11-04-2006, 23:17

another question i know it has been asked before but i must ask again will the cars have there own official engine sound like a mercedes slr mclaren and things like that will they have there own actual engine sound

raunchy · 12-04-2006, 08:53

to vibro for the clear info and thanks u answerd an question
i asked a couple of days ago in an other threat

SIMON008 · 12-04-2006, 09:34

vibroboy can you answer that question about the engine sound please i want to know or can someone else tell me

davie18 · 12-04-2006, 09:36

He probably hasn't even been on the forums since you made that post. Patience simon, patience. He is probably to busy getting good at TDU

SIMON008 · 12-04-2006, 11:57

yeah probably i hope the money aspect of the gsame is hard to earn because in pgr3 the money was earnt straight away i had the mclaren f1 by about the 5th race

faqfaqfaq · 12-04-2006, 13:51

ok... maybe the word "arcade" is too much (I don't want to make Magic_fr cry)

but I sure hope this game won't disappoint like Test Drive 6 did , with that SF steering . I just want to play this game with my steering wheel on my pc :P because there are very few games that are playable with a steering wheel (don't know why

) and the playable ones are pretty boring ... just racing along the race track ... no exotics or anything.
I hope this game will be a revolution in the racing games scene

because it's the most complex racing game I have ever seen ... and I have seen many games

SIMON008 · 12-04-2006, 15:06

thank god for wireless controllers for this game the only problem is that they neeed bateries and i think that the os3 controlers are going to go wrong because they are bluetooth and you hear what phones go wrong with bluetooth

davie18 · 12-04-2006, 17:47

The game will be completley different from all the other TD's, I mean all the other ones weren't made by Atari so this will be a new start for TD.

magicfr · 12-04-2006, 17:52

thanks Vibro

Well, i'm a bit lazy, i'll explain it again, like i already did on US Forums.... for the christ sake, why there is 2 english forums

I made car phyics & dynamics in the game.

The engine is a pure simulation... mathematic modelisation of real physics

Briefly that include
* tire model using modified pacejka 96
* 4 wheel independant
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* full suspension model
- spring
- dampers ( slow & fast )
- antirolbars
* differentials , front,rear, central
- 3 types ( open, lsd, viscous )
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* gearbox
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* clutch
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* engine
- full torque curve ( full injection cartography )
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* aerodynamics
- drag
- lift
- draft effect
* Real driving helps
- Traction Control
- ESP
- ABS
4 positions for the driving helps
- Full help
- Sport
- Hypersport
- OFF
.. i'm sure i'm forgeting some stuff

On top of that,i had to create a steering help, because u just CANT drive a car with a funny 1" stick.
The steering help is , i think, the best compromise, beetween helping the driver counter steer and keep maximum control of the car.
There is help only for countersteering.

In the game, after some playing, you will won a ChronoPack, so you'll could mesure yourself 0-60mph.. then you will compare with the real cars

cheers,

Understudy · 12-04-2006, 18:09

Thanks magicfr !

BTW there is only one English forum..

Ignore the Americans, they'll only censor your game to include speed limiters so that Wal-Mart can sell it without damaging its 'community image'

magicfr · 12-04-2006, 18:11

well, maybe if European would buy MORE copy than Americans, we wouldn't care that much

Understudy · 12-04-2006, 18:15

Ok.. you've got a fair point there...

raunchy · 12-04-2006, 18:27

mayby if u guys would give us the game first we would

Gaskellorama · 12-04-2006, 19:12

if you do 2 games for the price of one i'll get a couple of copies!!!

faqfaqfaq · 12-04-2006, 19:15

Hey !! this is off-topic !!!

I've got you understudy

faqfaqfaq · 12-04-2006, 19:18

that sounds nice magicfr ...very nice

I think this could be the mother of all games

Crazed_Dodgem · 12-04-2006, 19:25

or how about not releasing it to the americans at all! that way you dont get pain in the *** pre-pubescent american teens whining and crying to 'mom' every time you kick their pathetec butts on Live, also there is a chance that there will be less retarded remarks about our accents! yay, celebrate!

davie18 · 12-04-2006, 20:23

I wish there was a button on the back of the 360, which says Americans, on, off. Whenever someone turns it off it disconnects all Americans!

evsky · 12-04-2006, 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by magicfr

thanks Vibro

Well, i'm a bit lazy, i'll explain it again, like i already did on US Forums.... for the christ sake, why there is 2 english forums

I made car phyics & dynamics in the game.

The engine is a pure simulation... mathematic modelisation of real physics

Briefly that include
* tire model using modified pacejka 96
* 4 wheel independant
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* full suspension model
- spring
- dampers ( slow & fast )
- antirolbars
* differentials , front,rear, central
- 3 types ( open, lsd, viscous )
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* gearbox
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* clutch
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* engine
- full torque curve ( full injection cartography )
- rolling resistance, inertia,etc..
* aerodynamics
- drag
- lift
- draft effect
* Real driving helps
- Traction Control
- ESP
- ABS
4 positions for the driving helps
- Full help
- Sport
- Hypersport
- OFF
.. i'm sure i'm forgeting some stuff

On top of that,i had to create a steering help, because u just CANT drive a car with a funny 1" stick.
The steering help is , i think, the best compromise, beetween helping the driver counter steer and keep maximum control of the car.
There is help only for countersteering.

In the game, after some playing, you will won a ChronoPack, so you'll could mesure yourself 0-60mph.. then you will compare with the real cars

cheers,

That made my stomach churn because it sounds amazing, also Vibroboy's post was quite amazing aswell. This game drives me crazy. You Developers are like the people who gave the world football, we will just keep on playing it. And we will love you for that. Except you are not English, BOOOOOOO j/k

SIMON008 · 12-04-2006, 21:40

will the game feature the thing where you can turn tc traction control and everything on and off high and low setting because if it has it will be even more realistic

10-04-2006, 16:59	#1
faqfaqfaq PC DEMO ! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 294	Arcade ? The steering looks rather arcade to me especially at high speed (NFS 6) I hope I'm wrong because this is the only thing that can ruin the game Last edited by faqfaqfaq : 10-04-2006 at 17:04.

11-04-2006, 00:45	#5
Deadly_Dave Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 227	guys how on earth do you lot come up with all these answers, in well, all of the posts, you have no idea as youve never played the game, yet alot of us come to these forums to find infomation on this game but every post is full of off topic banter by the same guys, its getting really annoying now __________________ www.tp-clan.co.uk

12-04-2006, 13:51	#16
faqfaqfaq PC DEMO ! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 294	ok... maybe the word "arcade" is too much (I don't want to make Magic_fr cry) but I sure hope this game won't disappoint like Test Drive 6 did , with that SF steering . I just want to play this game with my steering wheel on my pc :P because there are very few games that are playable with a steering wheel (don't know why ) and the playable ones are pretty boring ... just racing along the race track ... no exotics or anything. I hope this game will be a revolution in the racing games scene because it's the most complex racing game I have ever seen ... and I have seen many games __________________ ok sorry. Last edited by faqfaqfaq : 12-04-2006 at 13:56.

12-04-2006, 17:52	#19
magicfr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 43	thanks Vibro Well, i'm a bit lazy, i'll explain it again, like i already did on US Forums.... for the christ sake, why there is 2 english forums I made car phyics & dynamics in the game. The engine is a pure simulation... mathematic modelisation of real physics Briefly that include * tire model using modified pacejka 96 * 4 wheel independant - rolling resistance, inertia,etc.. * full suspension model - spring - dampers ( slow & fast ) - antirolbars * differentials , front,rear, central - 3 types ( open, lsd, viscous ) - rolling resistance, inertia,etc.. * gearbox - rolling resistance, inertia,etc.. * clutch - rolling resistance, inertia,etc.. * engine - full torque curve ( full injection cartography ) - rolling resistance, inertia,etc.. * aerodynamics - drag - lift - draft effect * Real driving helps - Traction Control - ESP - ABS 4 positions for the driving helps - Full help - Sport - Hypersport - OFF .. i'm sure i'm forgeting some stuff On top of that,i had to create a steering help, because u just CANT drive a car with a funny 1" stick. The steering help is , i think, the best compromise, beetween helping the driver counter steer and keep maximum control of the car. There is help only for countersteering. In the game, after some playing, you will won a ChronoPack, so you'll could mesure yourself 0-60mph.. then you will compare with the real cars cheers, __________________ -------- magicfr ------- ---- Game Developer --- -- Dynamics & Physics -- - www.edengames.com - Last edited by magicfr : 12-04-2006 at 18:03.

12-04-2006, 18:11	#21
magicfr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 43	well, maybe if European would buy MORE copy than Americans, we wouldn't care that much __________________ -------- magicfr ------- ---- Game Developer --- -- Dynamics & Physics -- - www.edengames.com -

10-04-2006, 21:40	#2
davie18 O RLY? Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,505	How does it look arcade? It hardly turns at high speed, which is realistic.

10-04-2006, 21:41	#3
SIMON008 MSR Global Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,070	yeah how can you say the cars turn arcade style on they videos they are well realistic

10-04-2006, 23:26	#4
evsky Bubble Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,016	There not really realistic.

11-04-2006, 10:12	#7
SIMON008 MSR Global Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,070	no the turning in that video is realistic or to even get proof of if it is or not ask someone who has played the game

11-04-2006, 15:06	#8
Mister-Sheep Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3	At the end of the day there is no such thing as a 'realistic' video game. They are all just games at the end of the day.

11-04-2006, 17:39	#9
evsky Bubble Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,016	Basically realistic is turning full lock going at fast speeds and you'll get alot of Understeer even if you got some sort of traction control on then your car would still Understeer. Its SIMPLE PHYSICS... I think....

11-04-2006, 22:20	#10
Vibroboy Guest Posts: n/a	the game ain't arcade. Arcade is a mean word.. It means it's fake physics, fake engine, fake everything cough ridgeracer cough If Magic_fr ever read that thread, he'd cry lol. Thousands of parameters are playing on how a car is handling / accelerating etc. We are using all those parameters to make our car reacting as close as possible from reality. That's why all our cars are differents. Because not many car are the same in reality, ours are different as their counterparts in real life. If a car understeer, it will in game.. not because we decided it, but because all data and the physic laws are saying it is ! But, cuz there is always a but It's impossible to have a car fun to drive on a TV with a pad. So, even if we are simulating everything in a car, we need to adapt the controls to the devices players will have to handle the beasties. Just pause for a sec and look at your x360 pad. There's like 2 cm movement on each stick. That's for controling a wheel that turns like 2 or 3 times on itself to controls the direction from one side to the other of the car. I'd call you superman if you could drive a car with that device without a lot of "help". It's those "steering controls" that on differents build made the game "arcadish" or "sim-ish". That's what we are tuning atm among billions of other things. We don't want a "pain in the a** to control" game, where you crash in every corner and jump over every cliffs. But we don't want either a game where every n00b could drive an enzo like the stig. We still want to have fun with those powerful cars tho. Finding the balance is a pain, but we are quite happy with what we have today. The game is quite easy when you are driving "easy" slow cars, vintage and muscle cars for example (except a few models that are real rockets). But when you enter, let say an enzo for example, it's a total different thing. First, you are going hella faster !!! the corners are jumping at you !! you have lot less time to react, the road seems suddenly a lot less large, every bump makes you lose a bit of control on your steering !! Like it would be if you were driving that car at top speed (at least as fast as you dare to) on normal roads.

11-04-2006, 23:17	#11
SIMON008 MSR Global Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,070	another question i know it has been asked before but i must ask again will the cars have there own official engine sound like a mercedes slr mclaren and things like that will they have there own actual engine sound

12-04-2006, 08:53	#12
raunchy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 73	to vibro for the clear info and thanks u answerd an question i asked a couple of days ago in an other threat

12-04-2006, 09:34	#13
SIMON008 MSR Global Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,070	vibroboy can you answer that question about the engine sound please i want to know or can someone else tell me

12-04-2006, 09:36	#14
davie18 O RLY? Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,505	He probably hasn't even been on the forums since you made that post. Patience simon, patience. He is probably to busy getting good at TDU

12-04-2006, 11:57	#15
SIMON008 MSR Global Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,070	yeah probably i hope the money aspect of the gsame is hard to earn because in pgr3 the money was earnt straight away i had the mclaren f1 by about the 5th race

12-04-2006, 15:06	#17
SIMON008 MSR Global Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,070	thank god for wireless controllers for this game the only problem is that they neeed bateries and i think that the os3 controlers are going to go wrong because they are bluetooth and you hear what phones go wrong with bluetooth

12-04-2006, 17:47	#18
davie18 O RLY? Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,505	The game will be completley different from all the other TD's, I mean all the other ones weren't made by Atari so this will be a new start for TD.

12-04-2006, 18:27	#23
raunchy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 73	mayby if u guys would give us the game first we would

12-04-2006, 19:12	#24
Gaskellorama Serial Under Achiever Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 460	if you do 2 games for the price of one i'll get a couple of copies!!! __________________ The New ProjectD Forum Nothing relevent to say? then don't say anything!!!!!!!!

12-04-2006, 19:15	#25
faqfaqfaq PC DEMO ! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 294	Hey !! this is off-topic !!! I've got you understudy __________________ ok sorry. Last edited by faqfaqfaq : 12-04-2006 at 19:24.

12-04-2006, 19:18	#26
faqfaqfaq PC DEMO ! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 294	that sounds nice magicfr ...very nice I think this could be the mother of all games __________________ ok sorry.

12-04-2006, 19:25	#27
Crazed_Dodgem TDU oldie! Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,197	or how about not releasing it to the americans at all! that way you dont get pain in the *** pre-pubescent american teens whining and crying to 'mom' every time you kick their pathetec butts on Live, also there is a chance that there will be less retarded remarks about our accents! yay, celebrate! __________________ The Best 4x4xFar Following TDU since september 2005!

12-04-2006, 20:23	#28
davie18 O RLY? Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,505	I wish there was a button on the back of the 360, which says Americans, on, off. Whenever someone turns it off it disconnects all Americans!

12-04-2006, 21:40	#30
SIMON008 MSR Global Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,070	will the game feature the thing where you can turn tc traction control and everything on and off high and low setting because if it has it will be even more realistic

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